Dark Souls III Lore | The Giants of Lordran and Lothric

[@saedt]

Finally someone covering something other than the damn bosses in dark souls lore.

[@chakatBombshell]

Naw I'm pretty sure the giants in Dark Souls 2 are an entirely different species to the ones in 1 and 3. The giants of 1/3 have actual faces are more human looking and they just leave a corpse on death (hell there is even giant skeletons) the ones in two are more like plant creatures.

[@crimson_sun7274]

As a Swede, I can say that you are spot on with your history of Umeå and the Birch Trees. That is actually what happened, alltough, the trees were planted after the fire, acting as a "fire gate" or "fire stopper". So the city actually burned down in the fire and when they rebuildt the city, they made the streets wider and planted the trees to stop ev fire, so that this would never happen again. And they chose birch tree because they grow well in city environment and acts as solid fire wood, meaning that they can burn for a long time before turning to ash or spread the fire. Very good pronounciations of swedish words btw!

[@mitchl6896]

Thank you!!

[@manu98crak]

The giant from Undead Settlement drops Gough's ring and protects white birch trees, who are said to be born from pieces of Dusk's catalyst (I don't remember in which item it says that). Gough and little Dusk were both at Oolacile and the same time. My beliefs are that Dusk and Gough had some type of friedly relationship. I can think on two possibilities: 1. The giant in the Settlement is Gough, protecting the remains of his little friend dusk 2. Gough gave his ring to that giant to protect the trees when he dies.

[@manu98crak]

EDIT: he gave his ring and his bow*

[@brandonjensen586]

he's probably a descendant of Gough

[@KomodoMagic]

Interesting

[@marvellouschester1269]

He is the giant blacksmith

[@truongnghia8673]

@@marvellouschester1269 giant blacksmith is dead dude

[@appaloosahill4499]

Tbh you should've been able to free those Giants and make them friendly towards you

[@TheJumpManiac]

Ikr? Perhaps presenting the branch from the one in the undead settlement to them would make them friendly towards you.

[@Raptorman0205]

That would imply that there are happy outcomes in souls games. The best you'll ever get is bittersweet; at least they aren't suffering anymore.

[@thetau4866]

@@Raptorman0205 aye, perhaps owning a birch tree sapling would just simply make them not as likely to attack.

[@pauliusthemad3498]

To be honest if it was an old fashion rpg and not a souls game then you could probably do that.

[@tl8863]

@@pauliusthemad3498 I mean... Just look at it from their perspective. If I were a giant and got tortured by humans for years, I would NEVER want to be friendly with them.

[@SmoughTown]

great video mitch. know what I'll be doing today. chain watching your videos.

[@mitchl6896]

What an honour!

[@pauldeleon8888]

I just wanted to say that you Mitch L and other DS lore story tellers like you have helped me with my insomnia and have brought me sound to sleep numerous times like a bed time story. keep up the good work!

[@DOCTAxSWAG]

Something dikish happens in Anor Lando? Probably Pontiff Sullyvan

[@appaloosahill4499]

TR-8R anor Londo wasn't really a shady place back when it was gywns the only shady thing there was the archives and even then gywn put a barrier so no one could enter to A stop his experiments or B protect him or C both meaning it was an overall good place witch means it probably WAS pontiff

[@DOCTAxSWAG]

*drops to knees, shaking hands in the air* Sullyvan!

[@vegterble]

Noice Roice *rain intensifies*

[@conker690]

"He had a suspicion about human nature but now he knows it is a malevolent and violent force" But the Silver Knights were Gods as evidenced by the occult weapons Also if the giants were like Manus, and Manus was a giant, isn't Gough a human?

[@pcscairo]

Gorgeous work, dude! In my opinion, your lore content is by far the most complete and interesting in KZbin. Keep it up!

[@mitchl6896]

Wow, that means a lot! The best is yet to come.

[@reggiejacksonfan6823]

Man your dark souls lore videos were great! The new vegas one was also super good and I'm glad you're back ❤️

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

Thank you!!! I was looking forward to a Giant video ever since DKS1

[@mitchl6896]

Happy to be of service!

[@TheGoodCrusader]

+Mitch L anyone ever tell you your profile pic is ugly? with they should have. 😎

[@thatgamer1162]

+ gaben the great Anyone tell you what awful grammar you have?

[@BossDrSample]

Very well put together and edited video! Nice job!

[@mitchl6896]

Thank you my dude!

[@Kickbox72]

Just wanted to say that your videos are brilliant. Very in depth and you back up your theory points really well, as well as considering other ideas. Deserve plenty more subscribers than you have.

[@dravenwag]

are you the next Vaati? keep it up, seriously. your video on carthus was also amazing and well researched.

[@mitchl6896]

I'll try my best, although that guy has been doing it for years! Let me know if theres any vids in particular that you'd like to see.

[@davidkarthauser3246]

I don't understand why your channel is as small as it is, but if you keep making these videos a larger following should be inevitable. I enjoy your lores.

[@mitchl6896]

I'll keep pumping them out :D

[@SmileyFaceOfRom]

This video was great: very well presented and well reasoned. I'm glad I found your channel!

[@Manic_Mitch.official]

Finally! Ive been so curious on the giants this time around.

[@mitchl6896]

Just hit 1000 subs! You guys are amazing!!

[@Arcantropolo]

Keep it up. You got a good thing going here.

[@trenbolone007]

1001 with me now.... Good stuff man, really good. Look forward to more.

[@DaGirlzGoCrazy]

Just subbed, keep it coming bro!

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

2000 subs now, keep it up!

[@loganstafford5708]

man, your cool and all, but the birch trees are grown from the princesses of olacile, the giant protects the trees for some reason or another.

[@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar]

Perhaps they like the birch that hides them because they are such nice peaceful, and shy creatures. It is also clearly a gift of friendship, because the undead settlement giant gives you a custom birch tree

[@johngun7418]

I've always been curious if 'leveling up' is only for humans or if any living thing could do it and if it's the dark soul that allows humans to become eventually stronger than the gods in this setting

[@jacobp.4593]

I think the species that have a a Link to the Lord Souls can. The way I see it is that Humans (Dark Soul.) Can level up. I think a great example of gaining power from the death, and absorbtion of souls is Ornstein and Smough fight where one gain incrediable strength from absorbing the souls of the other. Another example could be the Abyss Watchers. I think if you took out the 'game mechanic' way of leveling up we would increase our power much the same way. (Note:I am ignoring most of DS2's lore because...its DS2's lore.)

[@Crocalu]

I agreed with the soul part of your comment, and liked it for the disapproval of DS2 X'D

[@PoleaxeWife]

I actually have a theory on this, and its that humans are actually quite bad at it, in every souls game you have to go through someone else, or something else, now of course in dks1 this may simply be game mechanics, but not in 2 and 3, as they require another person, namely a firekeeper, a font of power replicating the original soul of man, meanwhile we have the godly beings like. The nameless king or biggie and smalls who not only gain stature, but power in an instant by "claiming" their allies soul, they don't need to go through anyone, because this is a natural process, and humans can only attempt to emulate it.

[@gmaster634]

@@jacobp.4593 no dont leave out ds2....its canon

[@billyjoe953]

As a Wildland firefighter I can corroborate the Swedish fire story. Certain trees hold a great volume of water and groups of these trees can inhibit the progress of a wildfire because they do not burn easily. Birch trees are one of these species.

[@BLung-tq2mm]

I have been wanting to dive into Giant Lore forever! finally someone takes up the challenge!

[@mitchl6896]

I couldn't believe that literally the only vids on giants that had been done were DSII related. Uncharted territory but I'm glad you enjoyed :)

[@BLung-tq2mm]

in your next vid were you gonna talk about the campaign to exterminate the demons and the role giants played in that war?

[@mitchl6896]

+Brian Lung Yes! Demon Ruins vid is incoming, which will also touch on Cornyx and Pyromancy since he does play a role. I will try to find some time to get it done, probably in the next week or so! Thanks for sticking around.

[@joeyrizzo4710]

i love these videos, very nice man keep it up

[@lukefisher6603]

Your opening disclaimer isn't disclaiming anything. I think it would make more sense to either do away with the header or change it. Also, I like how your videos are becoming more and more distinct from other dark souls videos. You have a nice touch. Good content, keep it up.

[@mitchl6896]

Hadn't really considered it but you've got a point. Thank you!

[@Gardensartoria]

Amazing work here my friend. Keep it up!

[@bobisdoinsomething895]

you earned yourself a sub. I'm love Giants most culture and media and I'm glad to see them getting a bit of love in the video.

[@mitchl6896]

Glad to have you here!

[@WolfHreda]

I nearly jumped out of my skin the first time that damn giant actually helped me in the swamp. The big crab came scuttling over, then a great arrow speared him right into the muck. I'd been through Farron a handful of times before this and never seen it happen, but the giant will definitely help you out.

[@silvertemplar8061]

He does that in the swamp too? 🤔

[@WolfHreda]

@@silvertemplar8061 as long as you leave one Young White Branch next to one of the trees, yes. Once you collect them all, he dies. But as long as there's one somewhere, he'll shoot that crab if it's near the tree.

[@grandbean9031]

Love the focus of the video on giants,i am baffled that noone ever talks about them specifically even tho the size discrepancies are one of the weirdest things in the games since human corpses only carry humanity while giants that seem to have souls as well seem to never have them.

[@bearship9]

Maybe the magic from those trees (from oolacile too) are the Good emotions within humans, Abyss' magics are the bad emotions within humans, and the blue ones are neutral, reason based sorceries.

[@mitchl6896]

Hadn't considered the whole thing about emotions. Makes sense seeing as how the disparity created greed and manipulation.

[@Dark89Avenger]

I to believe that the giant in the undead settlement is Gough. And by the looks of it, he was enslaved to at some point(you can see the broken chains coming out from his body), but he somehow managed to get free. I don't remember the dialogues at this point very well, but probably he had help from Siegward .

[@KomodoMagic]

GIANT GIANT GIANT UNSTOPABEL

[@zesork5627]

wot rings u got bitch?

[@vampirewolf373]

Maybe the giant you find where the blacksmith was in the first game was actually Gough, trying to save the blacksmith from the Aldrich followers enslaving the Giants, giving him his bow when he couldn't go on. And the blacksmith escaped, leaving his smithing coal behind. Just a thought.

[@brayachdragonbane7529]

The great archer of the undead settlement may be Gough, because the white birch trees were spawned by the dropped staff of young Princess Dusk. the giant will protect you if you have the gifted white branch from the giant (Or the white branch starting item) in your inventory, both of which have special descriptions. Dusk in DS1 was fond and kind to the giant archer Gough (as it is hinted at in gameplay) these two facts in conjunction make pretty good groundwork to say that the giant archer may be Gough or at least a descendant of him. and as Farron is also Darkroot/Oolacil and the archer makes farron considerably more survivable, there is yet another tie. also side note, Xanthous crown is based of an "Ancient mystic creature." the Oolacil mushroom people were skilled in the arts of magic, and the 'crown' looks like a shroom.

[@sleepyespurr2922]

The Giants of Dark Souls III really have it bad now, probably due to the malicious shenanigans of Pontiff Sulyvahn.

[@johnnyscifi]

I thought Gaugh was blind, and that was the reason his helmets eyes were packed w/ tree resin...:p

[@austoful]

Small note, in greek culture and myth, Archers are viewed with some prestige. To be an archer was to be a professional soldier or hunter that has mastered the use of a very difficult and important weapon.

[@mitchl6896]

That's very interesting! Thanks for pointing it out.

[@cvrc11]

One thing I find interesting is that Yhorm has a face, rather than a hole in his head, implying one of two things: he is not the same species as all the other giants we've seen, OR he is the same species as the DS1 and DS3 giants, but the DS2 giants, the ones who become trees, are a totally unrelated species. I think the latter is probably more accurate, considering that DS2's giants are built differently than the ones in the rest of the series. So I think we're dealing with two distinct species, correlated only by their size.

[@mitchl6896]

I really like that fact about Yhorm. My initial thought was that he's one of the "old breed," and has just managed to escape persecution or enslavement, however he is a "descendent of a conqueror" which could be the giant king, who had the big old hole in the face, so it's hard to say.

[@XIII_Vanitas]

Giants were already enslaved in DS1 (see Sen's Fortress). Gough and the blacksmith were the exception to the rule, owing their favorable treatement to their exceptional skills, but even they were spited and looked down upon.

[@UnixSan]

Really great job man! Keep it up, you deserve more views :D

[@onj1112]

Yhorm was another example of a human honoring a giant. Siegward refers to Yhorm as a friend and upholds his promise with him. I believe Yhorm was the beginning of the mistreatment of giants because humans doubted him. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[@pandagod9678]

There's also a birch tree in the farron woods.

[@KHfanguy]

Makes me respect Gwyn for being one of the only ones to respect the giants

[@Jhon47807]

*When mitch names your obscure hometown: Happiness noises

[@vengarlhavel8420]

i really never thought the giants in ds 1 and 3 had much importance just regular enemies or there purpose is to help but thanks to this video i know now they aren't just in the game for any reason and their location as well

[@clockworkNate]

I thought you said at first " I will not be discussing giants from dark souls too much because" threw me off a bit 😄

[@raistlinsmits7265]

Great video, man! I really enjoyed your take on the Giants, mainly because they're a race that is easy to overlook. The fashion at 14:00 is great btw! My question is this though. Why would Gough retire to Oolacile? It's not really a nice place at the moment. Maybe it was even the residents of Oolacile that put the pine resin in his helmet, after he arrived seeking to aide Artorias. Overall though, I loved the video, thank you for some quality content.

[@mitchl6896]

Hey, thanks for your feedback. I'm not really sure why he is in Oolacile. I'm honestly surprised that they put his bow in DS3 at all (wielded by the tower giant). Giants don't really seem to be that concerned with the first flame/the dark and whatever, since they don't really "die" the same way that humans do. I might have to revisit giants at some point and see if there's anything new to unearth. Thanks again!

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

You forgot to mention the connection between Dusk and Gough, the undead settlement giant protects the birch trees, just like Gough protected Dusk.

[@LeiCal69]

And that is why, i don't ever link the fire, better off reseting the whole world than let it rot further and further as it drag on.

[@TrumpCardMAGA]

Have you ever thought about making a video about the very unique only female giant found in the DS series? Beyond being rare with a female name, her name is also very different than just about every character. Characters usually never have a normal surname, maybe something like a title or location affiliation but never a proper surname like she has. Also her name doesn't sound like it belongs in a game with a medieval theme, it actually sounds modern like she could be your neighbor than a NPC. I definitely would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that, plus any lore interpretations regarding the giant that's named "Judi Cator"

[@Gh0StF1sHy]

3:13 This concept is very similar to that of the Vedic 'Yugas'; a reference more people might recognize and understand, than one tied to Jainism.

[@axelstoner]

Awesome stuff dude

[@mitchl6896]

Thank you!

[@MrHablo60]

I guess Gough was right, true human nature brought the giants pain, but maybe (assuming gough is the giant in the tower) he saw something in us much like Yhorm saw something in Seigward

[@1998aman]

nice one dude ! keep up the good work

[@troglodude980]

1:05 legit cannot find a single video on ds2 giants

[@d.aardent9382]

for me, the most depressing aspect of the game is all the dead and tortured giants allover.

[@thelightofdestruction3838]

i love how you are playing game of thrones music in the video

[@mitchl6896]

It fits very well!

[@Daendyr]

Swede here, you are correct wit h the birch trees in Umeå. Another fact about birch trees. Yggdrasil, the norse world tree is a birch tree.

[@sebbychou]

Worth noting that the giants in the cathedral are wallowing in their own filth, and that the original cathedral (place of worship, bema and sanctum) appears to have been built by, and for, giants.

[@galenlovejoy9316]

Did anyone else hear game of thrones music?

[@Smoughstein]

Galen Lovejoy yeah I was wondering if anyone else heard it Just realised this comment is 2 years old XD

[@draugr7693]

I personally think that the giant in Undead settlement is actually one of Goughs descendants.

[@callumlyall4931]

There is a possibility that velka might be furtive Pygmy or at least a group of individuals because the gender of the furtive Pygmy isn't known

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

Callum Lyall Nothing even remotely indicating that so no point in speculating.

[@rozzirumbi451]

I really enjoy your videos

[@justincurll1110]

The giant archer in the undead settlement is staring at Lordran😭.

[@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar]

Don't forget the giant of the undead settlement is a crack shot at helping you, and you can kill him and get Hawkeyes ring, which unlike most rings has the historical characters life and name in the description instead of saying the name is forgotten with time. Which more likely suggest that the giant is Hawkeyes, or is related to him, perhaps as his son. Or daughter? Are there girl Giants?

[@followthedmntrainCJ]

I always was under the impression from all I've read and watched about the souls series that the Giants were actually from another land and imprisoned and brought to work here as slaves by humans. The ones we see without faces are actually golems recreated after the first giants were brought here with magic to work too. Golems usually don't have faces in mythology and i'm pretty sure you can find evidence of them being golems ins some items which I can't remember which ones. However that doesn't explains much since if you take a look almost EVERY enemy is some kind of giant by themselves, the bosses being the best example. All the knights, the bosses, the demons almost every enemy that are not foot soldiers seems to be of a larger stature. I would love to hear your thoughts about this explaining why everyone seems to be so huge the more powerful they are. I know this could be just a graphic thing to make the beings appear more powerful but I don't find that to be the true since in the Souls series everything is interconnected and not just for the looks. Again, would love to hear some kind of reasoning from yourself on this. One theory I have is that everyone that is of normal stature is descendant from Pigmy and a normal "human" every other are descendant of the former gods and thus larger. I have no idea how to prove that tho but it's an interesting thought.

[@mitchl6896]

I'll definitely see if theres enough to talk about for a video and explore it! What I might do is do a "Lore Cluster" video or something, talking about 2 or 3 parts of lore that don't have much on them, but that I find interesting.

[@followthedmntrainCJ]

And cool, hope you get to it mate! :)

[@exvestis295]

I would like to make the comment that the Giants of Sens Fortress, of which you showed clips, were also enslaved to guard and maintain the traps there. I would disagree the shift is as drastic as you imply and assert that giants have never been looked on with fondness by humans in the Souls Series. Gough and the Blacksmith are the only two giants who were tolerated by the humans because they provided a service and were presumably protected by Gwyn and his lineage. I do appreciate the amount of work you've put into this video though, some very nice comparisons drawn and lore points examined.

[@mitchl6896]

Thank you for your balanced feedback! You're the best kind of commenter.

[@walton836]

It's a dark souls video and a English lesson 10/10

[@mitchl6896]

Class is now in session :)

[@snowthebro]

Game: Giants are dangerous and should be treated as if they are hazards at all times. My dumbass no matter how times I play the games: FRANDS

[@silvertemplar8061]

Considering the Giant Archer can be befriended, this is a good case.

[@Tasorius]

The way he pronounced Umeå (the Swedish town) makes it sound cooler.

[@dialaskisel5929]

Neat video, and pretty insightful. I would point out that calling Silver Knights humans to relate with Gough's cynicism of humans is... a bit of a stretch. They are almost certainly the same species as or related to the same species as Gwyn. Though that does bring some interesting questions as to where humans came into the story and world if they weren't sane before the discovery of the Dark Soul.

[@thealgerian3285]

"Thank you for sitting through another one of my videos" People actually do that on youtube? Why would you "sit through" a video? you either watch them until the end you're enjoying it, or you move on if you're not.

[@yanijuarez2118]

I love that you use GOT soundtrack

[@TheSoijohn]

I totally missed the fact that the pygmee coul be called that way in relation to giants. Is this your theory ? I never saw that before, and i think it's brilliant ! If not, that's still a great video, thank you for your work !

[@mitchl6896]

Hawkshaw touched on the possibility in his timeline video in passing, I just took it a few steps further. Thank you!

[@Johan87577]

Swede here, not gonna lie but I cringed a bit with you trying to pronanouse Umeå. Little difficult to hear your Swedish but I think you meant björklöven (the hockey team) which translates to birch leaf/s Aside from that It sounded like your were on point about the big fire. Side note, there was also a big city fire on the same day in a different city, Sundsvall where almost whole city burned down. Luckily for city of Sundsvall was the fact a majority of the buildings were of stone and they never rebuild using wood. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ume%C3%A5_city_fire en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_Sundsvall_fire

[@Tavishburn]

35 seconds in and im already interested

[@OoyamatsukamioO]

Through my first play through I never killed a single giant because I thought maybe there was a way to make them friendly like the first giant you meet. Sad to know that they really are hostile. :(

[@dimensiepoort]

I think they mean "so easily forgothen" as in that the others we're so great, that this soul taker seems insignificant to the others. Thus being easily forgotten

[@S3Cs4uN8]

That does sound pretty valid, I mean, I've never heard about the Furtive Pygmy actually 'doing' anything once it got the dark soul, it just got it then buggered off.

[@Pepitobenito]

Junglerstream Exactly what I'd always assumed.

[@reedstreetteavee2]

I think you're on to something with Manus' connection to Jainism or Hinduism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_(Hinduism)

[@hamstrungharry259]

Damn it, This makes me even more satisfied when I owned Pontiff Sulyvhan by parrying all his moves.

[@sg6716]

since you seem to know a lot of lore, do you know why ricard in archdragon peak wears the crown of wolnir?

[@mitchl6896]

That's something that I've wondered about but I don't think I have a complete answer on the matter just yet. I'd like to believe that From Soft wasn't being lazy and just decided to re use an asset.

[@sg6716]

if there is a connection it might tie in with how some people say the time warp thing within the game and ricard is pre-wolnir then once he kills the carthus kings and makes one crown it makes him into a beast sorta like aldrich turning to slime when devouring men

[@SnafuFourTwo]

Is there any connection between how the drang npc enemies right after Pontiff Sulyvan are found in the area with giants, and how you can find the drang set in the cathedral of the deep where one of the giants is cowering?

[@moonlightwarriorgaming743]

I call the giant in Undead Settlement Hawkeye Brough ;)

[@mitchl6896]

He should have his own covenant!

[@Imperiused]

Good video. But nothing about Yhorm? Do you not think he's the same kind of giant as the others?

[@mitchl6896]

Check the description :) I have a full video planned for him later.

[@takezokimura2571]

My God! That blacksmith originally had a face? I know that now he has a mask but I´m pretty sure the face is still cannon.

[@SuperB345T]

Most of this is accurate and makes sense. However, Manus isn't the FP. Manus was once human, FP created humans. As well in DS3 it pretty much hands it out to us that the Pygmy Lords together were the FP and not a single one.

[@wanderingbufoon]

Sizes are based on the god's perspective. The giants are bigger than they are while humans and significantly smaller which gave them the title of pygmys. As for Manus, if you recall, any being with many souls become bigger than they normally are. Just take a look at the Witch of Izaleath (she is shown to be a giant amongst her daughters), Manus, 4 kings and Gael (all pgymys). The only one that doesnt become grotesquely big is us.

[@shane9287]

stopped watching around 6:30 after you got info about Hawkeye's helmet wrong, didn't feel like getting misinformed further. The ones who packed his eye holes with resin did so just before he went into battle, and it made him go blind.

[@montoshi]

LOL. Okay brotha

[@thegreenmage6956]

You should have outlined that the difference between Gods and Giants I that those who found potent Lord souls became powerful (Gods), but those who simply found many souls became physically large (Giants).

[@austinreale1848]

Could it be that Gough has hollowed to a point in which his speech is impaired?

[@The_Orb_Ponderer]

maybe the undead settlement giant is Goth and he has lost speech and changed with age

[@chocolateanimegirl9910]

13:55 That outfit is really cool.

[@falsebeliever8079]

Birch trees are also the national tree of Norway

[@Deniecu]

Björklöven = Birchleaves love the video, keep it up! :D

[@GunRunner106]

the giant archer dies once one collects all young white branches in all 3 locations, and one can get the hawk ring from the dead giant then~

[@insaneghost2818]

He doesn't die, he becomes hostile(hollow?) or was that just me?

[@usirian5264]

No, he dies. He became hostile because you probably used the branches that he gave to you ^^

[@GunRunner106]

Usirian no he doesnt become hostile if u use the branche - well he starts shooting at u around the trees but if you go back he gives u a new one...

[@usirian5264]

GunRunner Well, that means hostile to me x) But yeah, he's not supposed to attack you unless you attacked him first

[@GunRunner106]

Usirian ja what i ment is, he isnt hostile when ya close by....

[@jamesczwakiel4373]

the feels.

[@ilucasz]

About the Giants from Dark Souls 2, they are really much different from all others. They even must be an evolutionary stage from the hollowed humans, since we've seen in Dark Souls 3 that Hollows tend to turn their boddies into something like plants with the time and even still move after that. Maybe the giants of Dark Souls 2 may be an example of the nature of the souls by itself too, since their appearence inspires the idea that they are vessels with souls inside, just like the Golens of Vendrik or even the Hollows. The Giants can be some kind of evolved humans that hollowed so much that grew and became trees, also regaining some kind of soul and then became a new species, now understanding a little more about the nature of the soul and how to manipulate it with different vessels.

[@dracorex426]

Oopsie! Someone didn't read the word "average". "Pygmy" applies to a person when the average height of the ethnic group they belong to is unusually low. Every member of that ethnic is a pygmy, even one that happens to be freakishly tall, or none of them are.

[@dracorex426]

As an example: Imagine an ethic group called the fine folks. The average fine folk is 4′6″. Jerry the fine folk is 7′0″. Jerry is still a pygmy. Now imagine the another ethnic group called the pleasant people. The average pleasant person is 6′3″. Bella the pleasant person is only 3′9″. Bella is still not a pygmy.

[@dracorex426]

Basically, the furtive pygmy wasn't an unusually short member of their ethnic group, they were a member of an unusually short ethnic group.

[@aliekexie8467]

''Its quite refreshing to see this adoration from a HUMAN'' But Andre cant possibly be human, or did humans acquire the power of immortality while I was unaware?

[@ISayEssays]

It is likely that this iteration of Andre is undead. As he expressly stated that smithing is his sole purpose, he likely has never experienced the negative effects of hollowing. After all the demand for arms and armour is not going away anytime soon in this universe. Bonus fact Andre in an early draft of DS1 was Gwyn's firstborn, and would open the path to the kiln for the chosen undead.

[@UTxTheArchangel]

Left out talking about Yhorm and how he differs and compares. He has a face we can clearly see during Siegwards questline. In too become a lord of cinder, he would have had been a smart man.

[@mitchl6896]

Read the description my dude