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8 ай бұрын

Hayley Jones first met her partner Brian Lewis when he was 18 years old and she was just 13. Despite the age difference they settled down and had four children. But as Hayley grew up, the couple grew apart and Lewis became violent. She started to spend long hours on Facebook as an escape- but Lewis was convinced she was talking to other men on-line and he snapped, murdering her in a vicious attack.
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@kristinklages9674
@kristinklages9674 7 ай бұрын
This isn't about problems with social media it's about problems with a man. Let's stop blaming victims.
@jenniferyule8786
@jenniferyule8786 4 ай бұрын
Its a problem with people educating themselves enough to use it but about nothing else in their run down miserable lives. Her Mother must be either backward or had a litter herself to anyone with a pulse to have thought her 13 yr old should shack up under her benefit paid for house with that 18 yr old thing.
@solasolar1
@solasolar1 8 ай бұрын
Who are these male "experts" trying to make excuses for the murderer and blame the victim??
@uhuraenterprise6372
@uhuraenterprise6372 5 ай бұрын
​@leighleigh8725 Yes, we're like cattle really😅
@NathalieLindberg-qp6qh
@NathalieLindberg-qp6qh Ай бұрын
They seems to know the problem with online dating for us to learn about.
@whererosemaryflourishes
@whererosemaryflourishes 7 ай бұрын
Let's be real. Neither the laptop nor Facebook nor any supposed internet "addiction" came between them. She was criminally groomed as a child and his controling, paranoid, manipulative, violent narcissistic personality disorder inevitably destroyed them all. Some of Mike Berry's attitudes in this regard are deeply problematic. Her internet use is in no way at all responsible for his disordered personality and murderous actions.
@hardtobeme5268
@hardtobeme5268 6 ай бұрын
Yes, Mike Berry is victim blaming. Hard listening to that!
@theTrend7
@theTrend7 6 ай бұрын
100% True
@ruthsimpson8436
@ruthsimpson8436 8 ай бұрын
The true is if social media didn't exist,he would of found other reasons and still killed her,he was hyper focused on her,she matured and outgrew him,he needed her but she didn't need him.
@lindseyhudson1274
@lindseyhudson1274 8 ай бұрын
100%!
@sheilaboston7051
@sheilaboston7051 7 ай бұрын
Unless there's more than we know about, it didn't seem that he was abusive _until_ she started spending hours on Facebook, which she seemed to keep entirely secret from him, thus adding to his low self-esteem, then his paranoia. No, I'm not excusing him one little bit, but it seems as though some communication between the pair of them would have gone a long way - maybe they could have helped each other to grow?
@joannewilson1483
@joannewilson1483 6 ай бұрын
Click for a creep
@blg8505
@blg8505 8 ай бұрын
Mike Berry is extraordinarily problematic. He blames the victim repeatedly, talks over Elizabeth Yardley and mansplains to her (even in a case about a man exerting abusive control). It’s farcical. True Crime Central, please don’t continue to employ him or air his opinions.
@LauraRushing
@LauraRushing 8 ай бұрын
yes
@SuzyQ334
@SuzyQ334 7 ай бұрын
For this true crime addict there are far too many "talking heads" plus too much repetition - and also too many ad breaks!
@sharynbailey4235
@sharynbailey4235 7 ай бұрын
The victim blaming in this story is infuriating! How dare that mysogynist say such things?! Agree! I'm also a fan of True Crime Central but don't believe such derogatory statements about the victim should be allowed to go to air. The controlling and violent nature of the perpetrator WAS the problem. Not her use of Facebook to escape a completely miserable life and her attempt to have some agency over her life by changing her status. And his complete disregard to his children says everything. He may not have killed them but he has traumatised them all - especially the 5 year old.
@mamatried528
@mamatried528 7 ай бұрын
I thought mike berry was extremely professional and debated his point well like the rest of them. It’s interesting how people perceive things differently.
@AmyraCull
@AmyraCull 7 ай бұрын
@@mamatried528yikes
@miriams.4341
@miriams.4341 8 ай бұрын
I don’t understand how the focus is on her Facebook usage and the question of addiction? She had a controlling, physically and mentally abusive husband at home who appeared to have groomed her. I feel if her resulting coping mechanisms had reached unhealthy levels is completely besides the point. I’d love to hear the screams if a man worked 12 hours and then wanted to relax a few hours with his favourite video game, only to be called an “addict”, who somehow played a part in being killed by a jealous partner, simply by engaging in that mode of relaxation. Will say though, that those friends were pretty useless. How is seeing partner abuse not a signal to step in??
@Anna-Bernadette
@Anna-Bernadette 8 ай бұрын
"Friends"on Facebook. Perhaps we need another word for strangers online that show us what they want us to see. That not a friend.
@miriams.4341
@miriams.4341 8 ай бұрын
@@Anna-Bernadette I am referring to the couple who they met up with and who witnessed her being slapped. Those were clearly not online strangers.
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
​@@Anna-BernadetteExactly 💯 !!! Facebook is full of just people you 'meet' online.
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
​@@miriams.4341I agree with you on this point! What is wrong with these RL (real life) friends ignoring the fact that he hit/slapped her in plain view of them. At the very least, one of these friends could have walked over and stepped in to stop the abuse!! People nowadays don't want to get involved, despite the possibility (probability) of saving the other person's life!!
@samanthamaynard7805
@samanthamaynard7805 8 ай бұрын
True, people won’t get involved
@clpr2023
@clpr2023 7 ай бұрын
An 18 year and a 13 year old in a relationship and the mother invites him to move in with them! Beyond shocking. Louis is to blame for it all but that mother didn’t help one bit. Shameful Hayley had to live her life like that. 13 year olds cannot make life decisions so it’s not even arguable that her mother failed her.
@LumiSisuSusi
@LumiSisuSusi 6 ай бұрын
I'm from South Wales and I remember when I was 25 and my best male friend was helping me move out of my ex's, my mother would not let him and I share a room despite us being best friends and both 25. I had to share a room with my little sister (6/7 yes old). In university him and I shared a bed several times simply as friends (we are still best friends now). And this was in 2014 so a few years after this incident.. I guess perhaps it was accepted in their community. That being said Haley didn't do anything to deserve Lewis's behaviour. Such a sad and heartbreaking case.
@laverntrotman5829
@laverntrotman5829 5 ай бұрын
The analyst is trying to blame social media for Hayleys death instead of her thin skinned husband.😢
@Marlaina
@Marlaina 5 ай бұрын
I can't imagine being in relationship at that age. I was such a baby at the time and so naive. That girl had no chance.
@jenniferyule8786
@jenniferyule8786 4 ай бұрын
At last, a commenter seeing the TRUTH of this situation.
@phonicfrog
@phonicfrog 8 ай бұрын
This is NOT a case that "highlights the dangers of social media". This is a case that highlights the dangers of predatory partners.
@ColonelKlink100
@ColonelKlink100 8 ай бұрын
Right. This sort of thing has been going on forever.
@springfauna1465
@springfauna1465 6 ай бұрын
I think it's more like child abuse!! Let's call it what it actually is!! A 13 year old girl!! And her mother did nothing to protect her! Totally irresponsible non-parenting!!
@rosecolwill5383
@rosecolwill5383 5 ай бұрын
This is a case that is purely about domestic abuse that sadly ended in death ! Anyone that dares to blame it on Facebook … social media or anything else is sadly misinformed and uneducated ! And please stop victim shaming Haley! In no way is she responsible for anything her partner (Lois) did! She is the victim! Not Lois ! If you cannot present a case fairly please do not present it at all. The male panelists need to stop blaming Haley ! Absolutely ridiculous !
@ylocoslovakia
@ylocoslovakia 7 ай бұрын
The first time a partner raises a hand to you should be the last time. Move on or prepare to leave.
@NoName-hc4sb
@NoName-hc4sb 8 ай бұрын
An 18 year old boy with an 13 year old girl, isn’t that a criminal offense anyway?
@robinsears5788
@robinsears5788 8 ай бұрын
Her Mom is very delusional. She allowed that "man" (I use the term sarcastically) to move in. WTH!?!? Make it make sense!!
@karenneubert4494
@karenneubert4494 8 ай бұрын
I'm guessing you watch 10tolife with Annie Elise❤️
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
​@@karenneubert4494Annie Elise has some decent, detailed true crime overviews/stories. I like her!
@zxy78267
@zxy78267 7 ай бұрын
I agree!
@gaellementor5660
@gaellementor5660 7 ай бұрын
I thought I was the only one who thought Mike was basically blaming the victim!!! Glad to see that there are people in the world with discernment !!! I feel so sorry for her and her babies! Smh
@pioneercynthia1
@pioneercynthia1 8 ай бұрын
Dr. Yardley is a genius; every time she's on a show (and there are many, hurrah!), she always makes such insightful and interesting remarks. I've learned so much from her
@user-ou8qk6mo3y
@user-ou8qk6mo3y 7 ай бұрын
LOL, everything she says is through her feminist filters. Blame men, always.
@joborn1204
@joborn1204 8 ай бұрын
The last male analyst makes me furious blaming Haley! Addiction is a negative term, and then he mentioned that she hides her status "behind his back". Victim shaming at its finest!
@ivydickson7596
@ivydickson7596 8 ай бұрын
So true, coercive control and stalking at its finest. We need to label this.
@kennethjenkins5210
@kennethjenkins5210 8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@8Rayne5
@8Rayne5 8 ай бұрын
The victim blaming is just insane in this program. 😳
@karenwalters7131
@karenwalters7131 8 ай бұрын
If anyone should be blamed it's her own mother allowing the relationship.
@sushimar0
@sushimar0 8 ай бұрын
same here..the way he uses his words is disgusting
@Oscarsmom28
@Oscarsmom28 8 ай бұрын
He was 18 and she was 13??!!! The math ain’t mathin’ on this one…
@jacquelenew8440
@jacquelenew8440 8 ай бұрын
I’d like to know who brings these abusive men up? And agree with others that the psychologist (male) is negligent blaming the victim. She was just trying to get on with her life.
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
Possibly neglectful mothers (such that the men do not learn how to respect a woman), or the men have watched their own mother get hit, belittled and abused growing up (such that they have normalized this behavior & don't know any different from seeing their mother accept the abuse). Just two theories that I've had over the years while raising my two (now young adult) sons.
@anglofrancaiseyvonne9349
@anglofrancaiseyvonne9349 7 ай бұрын
Most of the time there's only one parent, I often wondered why my cousin said he only dated girls with both parents..I thought he was crazy😂
@chyhamilton7382
@chyhamilton7382 4 ай бұрын
If you mean raise them in a home then that would be women like me! At 63, my oldest son 41, the time I've thought, contemplated and tried to recall every single day and event in our lives that might shed some hint of a reason is countless. If that time could be measured I imagine years could be the tally. I've yet to understand knowing the life we lived. Not a perfect life but an attentive, loving, understanding, involved with the older values I was raised with. Since having an abusive father then two older brothers - abusive, mom was sketchy also, ok, abusive although I hate saying it, then having two sons - oldest abusive to me still and is to all his partners, I am crushed and heart sick my son's a member of that club. Maybe there aren't always someone to blame other then the person that allows themselves to cross a line that should never be crossed. I'm open and willing to discuss such things, through interaction growth is achieved.
@suehoskins8559
@suehoskins8559 8 ай бұрын
Wow, don't hear that everyday. "She got married, had four kids, and then she grew up..."
@SweetUniverse
@SweetUniverse 8 ай бұрын
Using a large kitchen knife to trim his nails? What kind of caveman is this guy?!
@butterbeanqueen8148
@butterbeanqueen8148 8 ай бұрын
SOCIAL MEDIA WAS NOT THE PROBLEM!!! How are they all saying that? The problem was with him. If she wasn’t on Facebook he would have obsessed over something else. He was abusive. He would have murdered her when she decided to leave him. Them blaming social media is ridiculous. Stop blaming the actions of the victims and start focusing on why these men are so abusive. What causes these reactions and how do we get across to young boys that girls are not possessions or objects that they can do what they want with. We, as women, shouldn’t have to police our actions in order for harm not to happen to us. Schools start teaching boys that girls are objects by cracking down on what the girls wear instead of teaching the boys self control. How many times is this same mentality reinforced in day to day society???
@donnazivny4134
@donnazivny4134 7 ай бұрын
Allowing him to move in when she was 13 was a Red Flag.
@auntkaz815
@auntkaz815 8 ай бұрын
A 13 year old has a lot of growing and maturing to do before they begin to know who they are and what they want to do with their life. They are not ready to commit to a relationship and start having babies with someone (even at 16)! Of course she was going to grow and change and most likely not want the same things at 23 that she did at 13.
@janephillips3627
@janephillips3627 7 ай бұрын
her mother must be a POS for letting her daughter date someone 5 years older. and then to ask him to move in. how horrible!!!
@Beandip999
@Beandip999 7 ай бұрын
This only needed to be half as long. Multiple experts and journalists saying the same exact thing doesn’t make a fascinating case more fascinating. Especially when they sound like that are blaming the victim and justifying a violent abuser.
@JoyceAnn62
@JoyceAnn62 8 ай бұрын
Staying angry will make you a monster
@leianehiltz2486
@leianehiltz2486 8 ай бұрын
I have to agree with some others, there's a tinge of subtle blame put on Hayley for her "obsession" for being on FB and perhaps seeking an alternative to her toxic relationship. Many women feel trapped by responsibilities and circumstances and even if communication with other men or not, the consequences are never justified
@sandragreed4098
@sandragreed4098 7 ай бұрын
Mike Berry is victim blaming Hayley for being on the internet. What other option did she have to communicate with others?
@kdramsey965
@kdramsey965 8 ай бұрын
The victim blaming is strong with that forensic psychologist. He really doesn’t like social media.
@yourshadowself
@yourshadowself 8 ай бұрын
Physically a man. Emotionally a teenager.
@LauraRushing
@LauraRushing 8 ай бұрын
@stewartvolk5156
@stewartvolk5156 7 ай бұрын
He became a man or adult at age 18
@kristinwright6632
@kristinwright6632 8 ай бұрын
Woof. My first marriage that spanned the 80s was emotionally abusive. I am sure that if I had the Internet to vent on I would have. He would have certainly been suspicious and violent. He constantly accused me of affairs. He didn't work but would call me at work to try and get me to come home early. Instead I went to the pub most nights with my co-workrs. He never hit me but he did break my favorite things, especially heirlooms from my Grandmother that I cherished. He put his fist through the wall next to my head when I wouldn't agree with him. I'm sure it would have escalated if I didn't finally get the courage to leave. I really wonder if I had the Internet what he would have done.
@twistertruecrime
@twistertruecrime 7 ай бұрын
My mother lived in this type community. She married at 15 and had me about a year later. Girls were considered " Old Maids" if they were not married with children by age 20. And the boys/ young men, knew that they better start wooing the girls and getting them into a commitment at a VERY YOUNG AGE., or some other guy would get their heart first.
@cynicannkeel8899
@cynicannkeel8899 8 ай бұрын
Given the human race has already had thousands of years to learn how to relate to each other, yet still too often continue to turn to violence rather than negotiate peace between individuals, one could hardly expect the freedom of the internet to improve interpersonal relationships.
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111 7 ай бұрын
Your basic narc husband can't stand it when we improve ourselves.
@sharrielee911
@sharrielee911 8 ай бұрын
You mean to tell me they weren't married 😮she had four children with this so called man and you mean to tell me he didn't even want to marry her😮i know its not the topic but when I heard "girlfriend" I lost it😏and I'm saying earlier in the relationship like the first to second child early before the drama 😏 that to me shows exactly how he felt about her and their relationship😏she wasn't good enough to have his awful last name but she was good enough to bare him all those babies😳 SMFH 🤬 I hope he never get out of jail so he could do this to someone else's daughter😌
@springfauna1465
@springfauna1465 6 ай бұрын
Why isn't a 13 year old still considered a child in the UK?? She was one year older than 12!!! WTH??!!!
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 7 ай бұрын
A 13 year old girl has no business dating an 18 year old dude. Her mom was a sorry excuse for a mother.
@KatG-vw4db
@KatG-vw4db 6 ай бұрын
I've experienced similar violence amd its scary. If you find yourself in a similar situation, get out asap but don't be confrontational don't fight or use any derogatory words even if they are being saidbto you. Be unreactive and show no emotions and find a place where the abuser can't find you....ie: a shelter where noone is able to find you. The cooling off period should also be handled by professionals where the abuser also receives counseling so they are not ruminating
@ivoigt100
@ivoigt100 5 ай бұрын
I am shocked....this is the most victim-blamey crime doc I have EVER seen
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111 7 ай бұрын
Ok. No no no.... it doesn't matter what Haley was doing or enjoying. It's just not ok to blame her.
@bucketree
@bucketree 7 ай бұрын
Such great reflections gentleman. Really enjoy the analysis.
@freemind279
@freemind279 8 ай бұрын
Are those professionals crazy or they are ok if their partners spend most of the time on fb with other?
@laurielaurie8280
@laurielaurie8280 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure the internet was an escape for Hayley. It was a place for her to go and probably discuss her problems etc.
@GotMySnarkyNanaPantsOn
@GotMySnarkyNanaPantsOn 5 ай бұрын
For him to hit her out in public shows he's already comfortable abusing her. Her working and finding her independence was his problem. She was using social media to avoid engaging with him as a coping mechanism. His alcohol abuse contributed to his behaviour and paranoia. The women had a much better understanding of the whole situation than the males.
@MarriedLH
@MarriedLH 8 ай бұрын
This is tragic but not because she was a stay home mom. If she was trapped, so was he. He had to support that family. The problem here is an abusive man.
@tkm-vlog
@tkm-vlog 6 ай бұрын
Its is important to teach young kids at school how to deal with such situations. Instead of waiting another day its better to seek help immediately no matter what.
@TNT-km2eg
@TNT-km2eg 8 ай бұрын
That lisssssp is so disssstracting
@keepitsimple4629
@keepitsimple4629 5 ай бұрын
Haley's mother condoned it by inviting him to live with her 13 year old daughter. No morals.
@HippiePrincessXO
@HippiePrincessXO 5 ай бұрын
I’m convinced she felt absolutely suffocated by him.. What a tragedy. She couldn’t even have her own life online/ let alone outside the internet.. 🛜 I also think she didn’t feel she had any options with all of her children with this “man” who got with her when she was literally a child.. R.I.P. beautiful 💐
@kimtaeri13
@kimtaeri13 7 ай бұрын
the friends doing nothing though 😮. Seeing, hearing but doing nothing to protect her and the children
@TheThreatenedSwan
@TheThreatenedSwan 3 ай бұрын
That was a very nuanced description about how these poor communities would view it. Unfortunately it appears she not only didn't have a supporting family that would intervene, her mother facilitated it
@andrecureton6862
@andrecureton6862 6 ай бұрын
Maybe that community needs to rethink these kinds of relationships ! Like Dr. Yardly said yes it's a criminal code on the books but those kinds of communities accept that as the norm ! I agree Dr. Yardly she's not addicted to social media but changing her status on FB for the world to see sent him over the edge smh
@rawrjessirawr1991
@rawrjessirawr1991 7 ай бұрын
That male analyst was really mean about women it seems and was blaming the victim so many times
@TheTristanmarcus
@TheTristanmarcus 8 ай бұрын
That woman wittering on about 'her privacy' seems to forget that Facebook is public - she publicly stated that she was now single - Facebook is a publisher, and if you put something publicly there it is NOT exercising your 'right to privacy' 😮
@lindseyhudson1274
@lindseyhudson1274 8 ай бұрын
She didn't mean it as if Facebook was private (which by the way you can set your own privacy level) she meant "privacy" as in that Hayley had something of her own that Brian couldn't control. Privacy from Brian, her own account that he had no access to. Elizabeth Yardley is actually quite knowledgeable and plain spoken so I think maybe only you misunderstood.
@zahrareaume
@zahrareaume 7 ай бұрын
I would NOT have changed my status to single while he is still living under the same roof! Just because he's not on Facebook doesn't guarantee he won't be told by someone else, which apparently DID happen
@SavingSoulsMinistries
@SavingSoulsMinistries 5 ай бұрын
"if i cant have her no one can" if someone ever said that to me im calling the cops asap. never in my life have i heard of such craziness. and i had plenty of friends in HS including myself who went through tough breakups. never once heard anything close
@zxy78267
@zxy78267 7 ай бұрын
Sentences are so short in Britain! Fourteen years? She lost decades of her life. He should be locked up for decades!
@AmyraCull
@AmyraCull 7 ай бұрын
Wow that dude victim blaming is a real pos he made every excuse possible for that animal
@dianna3752
@dianna3752 8 ай бұрын
18 is still a teenager, yet considered an adult. The older age of reaching 21 to become an adult is more realistic.
@Laney322
@Laney322 8 ай бұрын
​@Don_Coyote no it isn't. To get married? To join the army? To do korn? To drive? To have credit card? To go to prison? Name these countries
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
​@@Laney322I don't know what countries OP is thinking of, but I do know India is one of those. A former coworker was forced into an arranged marriage at 13. Thankfully they are still together after 33 years. But many are not that lucky!!
@CAK10111
@CAK10111 7 ай бұрын
The horrible victim blaming by the men here, appalling.
@user-pz6ge7hf4x
@user-pz6ge7hf4x 7 ай бұрын
Social Media is a catch 22..I'm rarely on it now, thank God...
@debbiechrysler3461
@debbiechrysler3461 5 ай бұрын
Gosh the jail time is crazy, he should have got life without parole, the fact that he has a chance of getting out after 14 years is unbelievable
@Thang292
@Thang292 7 ай бұрын
She could have escape but add more fuel to the fire using her laptop,they could discuss their problems but i see social media play a major role .Sad to see innocent children loss both parent
@issievdhorst
@issievdhorst 6 ай бұрын
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. EXCELLENT. Seeing things from both sides.
@same5952
@same5952 Ай бұрын
Say what? MOTHER of the 13 year old Heyley invited her her 18 year old boyfriend to move in with them?!? WTH is wrong with that woman? Thirteen-year-old shouldn't have a boyfriend, and certainly not one who is legally an adult. And to let him move in with them? Sounds like she was pimping her daughter, because no normal parent would allow that. DISGUSTING.
@Seriosuly.Really.
@Seriosuly.Really. 6 ай бұрын
She was 13 and he was 18 when they started going out, and this was sanctioned by her Mom and the community. Clearly the adults in the room did not look out for her.
@saraliburd7752
@saraliburd7752 7 ай бұрын
Facebook became her way of surviving her miserable abusive situation-
@davidlancaster8152
@davidlancaster8152 7 ай бұрын
This is the first time I've watched this program. What a bunch of karens. How many successful relationships have similar age gaps and are loving and happy. Prior to a 100 years ago these couplings were the norm. PC run amok? Or modern children less capable?
@EllaBrd
@EllaBrd 6 ай бұрын
She was working 12 hours night shifts!12 hours while he was a lazy grown up man sitting around doing nothing but trying to control and bully her. The male analyst needs a psych evaluation or to have his license removed because I feel that he’s going to endanger victims lives with his analysis. any couple that goes to him for therapy he’s going to put the blame on the victim and not the perpetrator and that concerns me. Shame on him!
@ivanovskameow999
@ivanovskameow999 5 ай бұрын
Definitely, judging from this I'd expect him to enable an abusive man, and get extremely aggressive if his "advice" was questioned. I bet there are some interesting stories about him from his work and personal life. Even how he treats Dr Elizabeth Yardley in front of the camera and crew is ridiculous. I can't remember which episode it was, but I was absolutely shocked with how aggressively he spoke at her and over her that it got to the point where the host had to explain her point FOR her since Mike Berry was committed to misinterpreting her. And the producer/s didn't even cut it out of the program. (And also him talking about her few hours on the internet after 12 hour shift as an addiction...huh. A few hours to herself? Talking with what was probably her support network, trying to relax and maybe trying to work out how to get out? Wow, I guess he thinks she should've been doing the vacuuming or massaging her abusive partner's feet instead.)
@leahjustleah7824
@leahjustleah7824 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad I wasn't horrifically abused by my ex, he actually broke up with me but still blamed me, anyways he's never said if I can't have you no one can. So this dude here is psychotic compared to my ex. I'm so shocked that I was in a mildly abusive relationship than to many of the stories here. I am deeply for the families that lost their loved ones to D.V. My ex is still in the same town I am, but he's living his live like he should.
@differenttakethanmost
@differenttakethanmost 7 ай бұрын
People are so ridiculous. Proven out in case after case after case after case…🤦🏻‍♀️
@genevawilson4448
@genevawilson4448 7 ай бұрын
I don't know what I'd do without social media and Internet here at home. My physical health has deteriorated to the point that I can't stand or walk for more than a few minutes. I spend all my time in my chair or in my bed on the Internet and usually social media. I don't get any TV/cable channels due to finances. Post surgical cognitive decline keeps me from reading books anymore. I'm so bored!!!!! My last boyfriend was emotionally and financially abusive.
@Matilda-y
@Matilda-y 6 ай бұрын
Gosh experts going off in all directions like fireworks. But like those dud fizzer ones.
@tacobell7098
@tacobell7098 6 ай бұрын
She was 13 and he 18? Wth...where were her parents? And or the social workers? Even 20y and already 4 children??? Crazy...really crazy!?
@user-gx9dq9fx4g
@user-gx9dq9fx4g 7 ай бұрын
It's crazy that men and women are so engrossed in themselves that to them, their children are in the way. This story shows that they are not spending time with their children at all. They are locked in their own minds. Innocent children lost both parents for selfish reasons.
@terribongers2465
@terribongers2465 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if they hadn’t had a discussion; and she put “single” because she felt that they had talked and she was. Dr Berry is mostly victim blaming.
@beverleypickett4757
@beverleypickett4757 7 ай бұрын
Get out to a safe place first with the children and then tell him its over and why
@lindanasca8301
@lindanasca8301 8 ай бұрын
Because she was addicted to fb such bs where did that guy get his degree?
@ivanovskameow999
@ivanovskameow999 5 ай бұрын
Obviously from the University of But-What-About-The-Men.
@crimedramadvdhotspot7720
@crimedramadvdhotspot7720 8 ай бұрын
UK Goof winkles
@celiastarot
@celiastarot 6 ай бұрын
Oh SALLY…..you had NO IDEA what you were doing right?
@birdyelke775
@birdyelke775 6 ай бұрын
Helly is the main issue here, listening to those professionals, not him. It's so depressing to hear these people, talking about her, who is the victim, and the perpetrator of a good man.😮😮
@kennethjenkins5210
@kennethjenkins5210 8 ай бұрын
Ya all need to get a life.
@revdrtiffanyfoster
@revdrtiffanyfoster 4 ай бұрын
I am in no way defending Lewis. However I would also dislike my partner spending hours on social media. I would lose trust in them if they clicked out of what they were viewing,or closed their computer in haste. My heart breaks for the four children. Their mother is murdered,and their father is jailed for the crime. May Hayley rest in peace.
@nanaman
@nanaman 4 ай бұрын
The children are the victim in this case They’ve had their Mum and then she leaves them to go to work with a man who is a nasty person My heart goes out to them and their Mum
@katerinagiannioudi401
@katerinagiannioudi401 7 ай бұрын
The problem began with her mother! She should hv been prosecuted! What a terrible parent allowing her to hv a stay at home boyfriend at just 13! 4 kids by her early 20's just made things worse. Mike Barry puts it right: He lost control and he didnt like it!
@chyhamilton7382
@chyhamilton7382 4 ай бұрын
I never heard anyone suggest social media to blame. The presenters all stated this man was abusive from the start and because of his actions, losing his job, things started to escalate. Triggers and causes are seperate things. So the cause of his actions being his failures, behaviours and mental psychopathy. The triggers for this weak lame excuse of a human were most likely his partners attention elsewhere as well as her normal personal growth everyone goes through. Meanwhile it's clear to most all of us is that if he hadn't been an horrid partner she might not have ever left. He ruined her desire to continue as a family and no one blames or blamed her for that. It's a predictable outcome abusers seem to fail to recognize, hit and demean someone and they stop wanting to be anywhere around you. How are they unable to see the scenerio they fear the most they themselves are responsible for making occur. It's so sad. Anyway, if you chamge the way you look at things, the things you look at change. I heard sole blame on perpetrator.
@mariomigueldario558
@mariomigueldario558 7 ай бұрын
If you love your partner spend more time with him or her, and less time in social media. Social media is destroying families if you're not careful
@countryfrau8328
@countryfrau8328 7 ай бұрын
Agree with focusing on real life people. But it isn't her fault that this happened to her. It is easy for us on the outside to say this or that but experience in life (I'm an old woman) has definitely shown me that people can't see things clearly in pretty much any situation. Sometimes I feel like Mr. Spock walking around with clear vision and seeing all of this slanted perspective etc swirling around me. And what is ironic is that I'm probably as odd as everyone else and, like everyone else, I think I'm the one seeing things clearly. Life is bizarre.
@ariloves10
@ariloves10 6 ай бұрын
Rest in peace Haley 🙏🏼 😢
@WorldTravelerCooking
@WorldTravelerCooking 5 ай бұрын
I think her use of social media is simple escapism. Not wanting to deal with the situation at home, it becomes easy to just escape into the internet. I think many of us have gone through times in our lives which have done the same thing. I think in the interviews with the criminologist, there is an instinctive reaction against what she sees as victim-blaming. But if we cannot look at everyone with some degree of scrutiny, then it is very hard to see the full dynamics of what is developing. I am not sure I would call it an "addiction" in the normal sense. But that doesn't mean it was healthy either.
@user-lo2fq3gc9q
@user-lo2fq3gc9q 5 ай бұрын
Funny how when he kept a good job bought her a house yet he wasn't called a good provider...what he did was horrible but she helped the process
@Eurocatbaby
@Eurocatbaby 7 ай бұрын
This is disgusting how they are blaming Hayley and facebook. How blaming the overbearing murderer for his actions. He started dating her when she was 13 and he was 18. That is illegal and gross. Then for her to start having children at 16 that poor girl never had a chance. For the experts that keep blaming Hayley they should be ashamed of themselves. Brian had also abused his own child and would have probably killed the child that heard what was going on if he had known. So don't blame her for what little freedom she finally found to live her life from this ogre. He should never get out of jail because he never took responsbility for his actions.
@maudo100
@maudo100 5 ай бұрын
I’m just here for the comments!
@phoenixrising573
@phoenixrising573 2 ай бұрын
Social media was NOT the problem here that caused the tragic death. The mental instability and low self esteem of this controlling man was the WHOLE problem!! I want to know what in HELL her parents were thinking to even ALLOW her to be going out at 13??? Much less with an 18 year old!! Obviously her parents abdicated their job of parenting voluntarily! The victim didn't have a social media addiction - she was just desperate to get away, even if just through FB, from her controlling, lazy, alcoholic, abusive partner!!!
@melissamccleary9611
@melissamccleary9611 7 ай бұрын
2:23 scared me!
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111
@wynnkidsnannylorivance4111 7 ай бұрын
Just started watching. I don't know the story. Yet. But from the comments, I may not like that fellow.
@cosmicpuma
@cosmicpuma 2 ай бұрын
Social Dilemma - watch it. Take the advice given at the end. Rest in Peace.
@chrissymasters4987
@chrissymasters4987 7 ай бұрын
I was threatened to be killed too. But he didn’t. You just don’t know which cases will and which won’t.
@cherylbglover
@cherylbglover 5 ай бұрын
This is awful. Basically this episode was victim shaming.
@infinitefire7212
@infinitefire7212 7 ай бұрын
Her mother really did a disservice by allowing that grown man to live in the house with a 13yr old child… sad…
@yukiefromoz2573
@yukiefromoz2573 8 ай бұрын
3-4hrs of FB a night is not an addiction lol. That male psych is so off.
@sandraal2585
@sandraal2585 8 ай бұрын
Thats what i was thinking. She works 12 hrs a day and spends time with her kids. 3 hrs is her alone time to relax
@SweetUniverse
@SweetUniverse 8 ай бұрын
She was probably escaping from him
@kennethjenkins5210
@kennethjenkins5210 8 ай бұрын
😂
@k8tina
@k8tina 8 ай бұрын
I agree!! I had to get off FB (temporarily) because I would log on, respond to a couple dozen status updates on my "Facebook Feed" and realized 3-4 hours had passed. So it does happen and thus, in this particular case, seem very plausible.
@sandraal2585
@sandraal2585 8 ай бұрын
@@k8tina but were you additive or was fb your escape from the world for a few? Cause the second one is understandable.
@SolaScriptrua
@SolaScriptrua 3 ай бұрын
Mike Berry is problematic. He is blaming Hayley for Brain's thoughts and behaviors. He is finding every excuse he can to make it Hayley's fault. Hayley did nothing to deserve to be murdered. Dr. Yardley did a great job defending Hayley and putting the blame where it lie. Brian was responsible for himself, his thoughts, and his emotions. He killed her because he could not control her anymore and the things he was doing in the past no longer worked.
@tieardragon4919
@tieardragon4919 6 ай бұрын
This episode is just "blame the victim" the 13-year-old who was groomed and controlled all her life.
@tusharbhattacharyya5417
@tusharbhattacharyya5417 7 ай бұрын
34:39 What is the pen that Mike Berry is holding? Anybody?
@johnsnyder2624
@johnsnyder2624 5 ай бұрын
Whats disturbing is this is typical in some culture's
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