Power Scales - How Powerful is The Triforce? (Zelda)

[@Marionic9001]

FEW CORRECTIONS: Link entering the Dark World in LttP is not actually example of any magic resistance, as Dark World simply transforms people into reflections of what's inside their heart (greed/evil makes people monsters, while Link's innocence is reason for him becoming a rabbit). Also, it is not the Master Sword that makes him immune to it's effects later, but the Moon Pearl.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

Eh, I blame Nintendo for a lot of the misconceptions around the Triforce pieces. A bit more showing and consistency would be nice Nintendo.

[@gohan4737]

Ganondorf in wind waker stop the rotation of the moon and the earth and create a endless night, which is calculated to need dwarf star levels of power

[@Ataurion]

My left ear would love to marry this video

[@Marionic9001]

I pronounce you Husband and Wife then. You may kiss the bride & add to favorites.

[@abstraction6212]

@Mohamed Ishaq cant you take a joke at least?

[@Sivick314]

You didn't mention the rumored true power of the tri-force of courage. immortality. link goes up, gets killed, respawns with everything the same, tries again. each time different, each time learning, until he wins. he's a goddamned unstoppable force, learning from every failure until the one that gets it right. the respawn mechanic itself. the very gameplay feature we've all been using. that's the power of the tri-force of courage, never letting us give up until we want to.

[@Marionic9001]

Umm, what exactly are you basing this on? Game mechanics? They have never been stated to be actual canonical thing in story… nor that if it is, how come it is a feature in games where Link has no Triforce pieces (LttP, most of WW, SS & BotW)? This becomes especially strange statement when Downfall Timeline (where Link dies in battle) is considered, and he had Triforce of Courage there. Also Power already has that ability, so why'd Courage be he same?

[@IamSupreme333]

@@Marionic9001 i think he was just messin around. there’s no way somebody can be that retarded

[@t-god2439]

@@Marionic9001 I think it’s a joke

[@thesilentshadow1256]

its nice to see you're really a Zelda fan, yes I am going to use everything you said in this game against you in our debate, no I don't have any honor what of it?

[@Marionic9001]

I‘d like to think that I’ve been consistent with my scaling in the debate in regards to this video. Glad you decided to check out some of my other stuff.

[@thesilentshadow1256]

@@Marionic9001 yeah, I actually can see that you have been consistent throughout your debate, I was just making a joke

[@thesilentshadow1256]

@@Marionic9001 anywho, are you working on you’re Side of the debate? (Sometimes my debates dont post and i have to redo them so please tell me if you dont see it :/)

[@Marionic9001]

@@thesilentshadow1256 I've seen your next response, but not gotten around to responding, as I'm also working on my next video to be released in few days, as well as balancing part-time job, so please understand that I have lot going on. I'll get back to you in few days, as per usual. Looking forward to those scans!

[@justjames4]

I don't know stuff about The Legends of Zelda so that's cool.

[@DIEFORME173]

Yeah

[@ronaldmcleod7009]

Big fan of zelda had made a star 💫 called star of david 2 UFO'S Zelda's triforce triangle's rated vertual fire 5-30. Jamaican

[@adariepennant3389]

what if Microsoft + Nintendo + Sony + sega joint forces and made a super console together 🤝🤝🤝 ?

[@powercage]

Whelp, you wouldn't have to console hop for games anymore.

[@selinarose6922]

Hard disagree. The triforce should be Multi-Solar System, Multiversal level, or Multiversal+ bare minimum. It is Consistently used by Link to thwart Ganon with the triforce of power. Ganon even notes that the power of the triforce of courage is what he misjudged and not Link's power alone in OOT. The Triforce of Wisdom was used to defeat Ganon with the Triforce of Power, The most powerful out of the 3. Ganon giving a portion of his power to Zant had Zant capable of warping the entire twilight realm, it holds the essence of Din making it superior to Hylia who is in turn superior to The Wind Fish, who created and destroyed a realm with stars in the sky(and we know it’s a world now thanks to HE) The Full Triforce is the strongest relic in the verse, holding the powers of the goddesses. Ganondorf used it to sustain the entirety of the dark world, it's existence sustains the light world, a parallel Triforce being destroyed in Lorule made the land just straight up collapse. It’s also Stated to shape reality and fill any desire. Not to mention YuGanon being able to destroy hyrule and lorule’s world’s with the power he had but wanting more shows just how powerful the triforce pieces are. The master sword being able to combat the triforce isn’t a contradiction either. Thanks to skyward sword we know the master sword has the flames of the golden goddesses within it so of course it’d be able to combat Ganon who is a weak wisher, which the triforce verbatim tells Link the stronger the wish the stronger the triforce’s interpretation of that wish. Zelda having the full triforce in BOTW doesn’t contradict that it just means, even if time has passed and people don’t really remember the triforce, she’s just a weak wisher. It has nothing to do with Ganon. We see Link wish away demise but it was a weak wish so Demise still existed in the past.

[@DackAttack]

^This

[@Marionic9001]

Okay. What feats you have for Triforce that are Multiversal? Genuinely interested to see some scans of such. No, Link, never used full Triforce to defeat Ganon with just one of the pieces, I assume you meant Triforce of Courage scales above Power and that was just a typo. Triforse of Courage is never stated to amp Link physically, Ganons claim of underestimating Courage is no evidence of such, especially considering how numerous Links who don’t have it in different games are still capable of beating Ganon who has Triforce of Power. Yes, I talked about Link using Triforce of Wisdom in Zelda 1 and how it is contradicted by the actual game (actual canon) where the feat is supposedly from. In-game it only reveals Ganon hiding in darkness (seemingly) so that can easily be what the Encyclopedia is referencing (not to mention that that particular book isn’t that reliable anyway, considering it has entire wiki page dedicated to mistakes it has). ”Zant was capable of warping the entire twilight realm” -He didn’t though, he transformed the people into shadowbeasts, hid away the Sols & took over the kingdom. There’s literally nothing in TP suggesting that he manipulated the entire dimension in any shape or form. This is literally baseless statement, unless you prove it with actual evidence. Hate to break it to you, but Windfish doesn’t scale to anything in the series, including gods, since 3 Golden Goddesses didn’t necessarily even create all Universes as seen in LBW (40:52-40:57), meaning he wouldn’t be part of hierarchy of other gods, such as Hylia... who is pretty much featless patron deity of one race on a one insignificant planet. Triforce as whole holds a TINY PORTION of goddesses essence, saying that just one piece in anyway scaleable to any god is stretching it, considering how Zelda 1 & OoT make it pretty clear that Triforce of Power alone is insufficient to take over a single planet. No. Dark World is automatic function of Sacred Realm. Sheik explains it quite clearly in OoT that the realm is mirror that reflects the heart of one entering it, Ganondorf’s being full of evil made it transform, not any action done by Triforce or Ganon as I explained at 32:08 - 33:11 hard to believe you missed that part… Lorule (which is a Kingdom) was merely f*cked up and in ruins, kinda like BotW Kingdom, which is explicitly stated by both Yuga & Hilda towards the end. And no, nowhere in game is it ever implied that the damage extends beyond the Kingdom of Lorule, so merely country-level at best. I literally explain this sh*t in the video man… ”YuGanon being able to destroy hyrule and lorule’s world’s with the power” -where is this statement from!? I see lot of stuff saying that he’ll be threat to them both with full Triforce, but who cares, it’s 2 Kingdoms! Sure, when they say he’ll take over/threaten their 2 worlds it can literally mean either both planets or both universes, it’s not specified, but from other feats Ganon & Triforce have performed in past, planetary seems much more consistent to your argument… LttP Manual states that Master Sword was SPECIFICALLY made to defeat Triforce held by Ganondorf by sages during Sealing War, a direct contradiction to it’s origin dating back some 1000 years in Skyward Sword. And, no MSword's power source doesn’t allow it to resist Triforce & it never has shown capability to do so. “of course it’d be able to combat Ganon who is a weak wisher, triforce tells Link the stronger the wish the stronger the triforce’s interpretation of that wish.” -In reference to Ganons enormous wish to conquer the World. It literally states that it was such strong wish that it had the effect it on entire Dark World (later retconned by OoT & following games, but you get the point). And no, Ganon didn’t have Triforce in that particular final fight, as it’s found on next room waiting for wish. If you want to use Ganon boss actually on possession of Full Triforce, then look at Hyrule Warriors, where nobody scales to him anyways as unit anyway. “Zelda having the full triforce in BOTW doesn’t contradict that it just means, even if time has passed and people don’t really remember the triforce, she’s just a weak wisher.” -People forgetting the object deeply engraved in Hyrule’s history & center of every major conflict is utterly laughable. Sure, regular folk might, if the information is obstructed, but it’s literally impossible for Royal Family members, it’s literally their SACRED DUTY to keep tabs on the thing. Also, Zelda a weak wisher…? Right right, we are talking about person who has worked all her life focusing on one singular desire of saving her people from Calamity, literally hates herself for not achieving that said thing, only lives & breathes to save her kingdom… Surely tis’ a mark of a weak wisher. Considering that transforming Solar System+ realm into Dark World (which it didn’t do, but anyway) qualifies as ”weak wish” in your eyes, why can’t Zelda’s weak wish kill Triforceless Calamity then? Seems like there’s a gap in power… and logic. “Link wishes away Demise but it was weak wish so Demise existed in past” -So according to you: Guy who lives & breathes only due to his wish for conquest = weak wisher. Guy who’s most definable character trait is his courage & willingness to save the World, wishing to stop a guy to accomplish this = weak wisher. Girl who’s been raised solely to prepare for one purpose & only reason for her existence is her desire to awaken her power to save her people from the bottom of her heart = weak wisher. ... Oh boi, can’t wait for Nintendo to work a miracle one day to finally create Zelda char that actually can wish for stuff! Maybe finally the requirements for your arbitary statement (that I don’t even know how it even relates to your argument of Solar System/Multiversal Triforce) will be sated! No but seriously dude, as I explained in the vid already, there are non-retarded ways to argue Triforce into being Universal. Not by making stuff up or creating contradictory head-canon on why Triforce has only done stuff to certain degree. In fact, there’s whole section of it in this video (37:27 - 43:30). I can provide sources for everything you might have further questions on.

[@DackAttack]

@@Marionic9001 Hm, you know I'm planning on doing Zelda discussions in the future, thisbwould be an interesting video if we both have a vocal debate topic on Zelda's strength, we could take it to both channels.

[@Marionic9001]

@@DackAttack If you have counter arguments say them now.

[@DackAttack]

@@Marionic9001 What do you mean by that?

[@agustl5067]

So, in your opinion how strong are Demise, Majora, Ganon with only triforce of power and most Links in Attack Potency? And what about their travel and combact speed?

[@Marionic9001]

Good questions, would require video of it’s own for me to really get the best research done, but I can name few great tools for scaling Zelda characters down here. …Though Demise & Majora don’t have Triforce of Power…? Maybe you meant ’if they had it, how powerful would they be?’ - Well… stronger. As I outlined in my video, the boost it gives to Ganondorf is unknown. But they’d get his sweet immortality with it for sure. - Demise is around Surface-level to Planetary as I already discussed in the video. He does have that one Solar System outlier but it’s rather easy to debunk. - Ganon has few Surface-level feats, like statements of being able to destroy the World with Trident of Darkness in 4Sword Adventures & as Calamity in BotW. Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf Scales above HW Link in his base too. He has lot of low-balls like effortlessly destroying Castles & Islands, and outlier claims like effecting Twilight & Sacred Realm, when both can be disproven. - Majora is propably the one with most definitive & blatant World Ending feats. He’s capable of moving the World ending Moon, sealing 4 Giants that are capable of stopping the Moon & capable of overpowering 4 Giants when fused with The Moon. The Moon also has some kind of inner World inside that has a Sun (or illusion of one?) that Majora most likely created, but it’s not confirmed… - Most Link’s scale closely to main line Ganondorf, being able to defeat him (at least by using his weaknesses), Zelda 1, LttP, OoT, WW, TP, 4Sword Adventures, SS & BotW more specifically. Link has 2 pretty definitive planetary feats as well, like MM Young Link (as Fierce Deity) destroying the Moon & Hyrule Warriors Link flipping the Planet around with his Ball & Chain Super Move. There’s definitive relativistic to lightspeed reaction feats for most Links, scaling from Beamos lasers, Guardians lasers & Light Arrows, all that are either beams of Light or stated to be as fast. As for travel speed… no idea, but considering a Horse is favored mode of transportation for Link & Ganondorf it’s probably lower than their battle/reaction speed. That is, if we don’t take all the teleporting items & spells they have in pretty much every iteration. Hope that answered your questions!

[@agustl5067]

@@Marionic9001 Thank you for answer! Sorry if I wasn't clear, I didn't mean to ask how strong would Demise and Majora be with triforce of power, lmao. I like your way to see things, because I found a lot of people lowballing the verse, but also some wankers. You only take the clearest feats, which is nice. I have a my own personal idea about Zelda verse strength, I agree with you in a lot of stuff, especially speed ranking, and I wanna tell you something about Demise: In Hyrule Encyclopedia It was confirmed that Demise actually exists before of the creation of Hyrule. Also, I didn't know about Ganon's trident statement in 4 swords, can you share me a link?

[@Marionic9001]

@@agustl5067 Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHiVpXuGoZWdj5Y - 05:58 Just FYI, the Trident in this game is different than what Ganon wields in Downfall Timeline. Regardless, it still scales to OoT Ganon, as the Trident is heavily implied to contain the power of Ganon, hence why human Ganondorf becomes Beast Ganon after obtaining it. Demise existed before Hyrule? Sure, all of Skyward Sword happens before Hyrule was founded. ...unless you mean before the creation story depicted in LttP & OoT...? If so, then we have a problem in our hands, as that would imply that he's older than Time... though this contradicts statement of him coming from within the earth & his general power-level... Did you mean Hyrule Historia or Zelda Encyclopedia? Because the encyclopedia one is utter trash, so much so, that there's entire Zelda Wiki article about the stellar amount of errors in that book.

[@agustl5067]

@@Marionic9001 First of all, thank you really much for the link, I appreciate that. Second thing, both Hyrule Historia and Encyclopedia confirmed that Demise existed before time. They talk about Demon tribe world and It is implied to exists before time was created.

[@Marionic9001]

@@agustl5067 Well I certainly can't confirm the existence of such scans. Though I managed to find Encyclopedias Demise page, and it states no such thing... better yet, it says "evil originated in ancient times, emerging from great fissures on earth" - readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Encyclopedia/TPB-Part-2?id=135935

[@fishnewt1331]

I think the Triforce of Wisdom is more nebulous than the Triforce of Courage. There have been some claim that Link gains a measure of a stat boost by way of the Triforce piece. I don’t know the basis, but it seems believable based on Ganondorf’s claim in OoT about the Triforce piece helping Link persevere throughout his journey as an adult. Zelda’s Triforce piece has mostly been used for....two elaborate disguises? Healing (something she has done in other incarnations without it)? Knowledge and Wisdom (which prompts her to make a timeline split that plunges Hyrule in ruins in one timeline and ruins Link’s life in the other, despite the intent trying to give him his life back)?.....Oh boy.... Edit: Next video idea, which Princess Zelda is the most powerful! Arrow shooting twilight princess on a horse, arrow shooting child princess with strategy, Sage of Time who seals Ganondorf briefly after paralyzing him with a makeshift kamehameha, or Wild Princess restraining Calamity Ganon for 100 years and then sealing him after he is weakened.

[@Marionic9001]

"Ganondorf seems to claim the Triforce of Courage in OoT was giving Link help throughout his adult timeline journey." - That might’ve been just Ganondorf refusing to acknowledge Link’s strength due to his arrogance, we never actually see if Triforce of Courage does anything in the game or not. Like, Ganon might've be thought like “there’s no way this boy could be this strong! No, it must be the Triforce, that’s it!” -that kind of thing. I suppose we could infer that Triforce of Wisdom amps magic when it’s shown to be used for disguises & healing… though it’s never outright stated. Also, you bring up a funny point, if it was indeed Triforce of Wisdom that guided Zelda to make decision of creating the Time Split which f*cked up everything for everyone, Triforce of Shortsightedness would be more apt title. I might do which Link/Zelda/Ganondorf is strongest in the future, but right now I'm quite busy with few other projects. ... But obviously BotW Zelda is mos op-

[@fishnewt1331]

@@Marionic9001: Good point on Ganondorf and sounds very in character. Wish I could say the short-sidedness was something I came up with, but I’ve seen it brought up before. Needless to say, I like that characterization of, despite trying her hardest to fix everything, OoT Zelda just keeps screwing up more and more.

[@christopherbravo1813]

Any artifact that can be used to create *ANOTHER VERSION OF ITSELF* has to be pretty darn powerful.

[@thesilentshadow1256]

yourwelcom Igaveyou44minsofwatchtime wow that was actually kinda cool, although I personally dont believe or agree with everything you said it was overall well thoughtout, but ill get to that with you in our debate

[@aleksituuri7637]

But, But, But, But, But, But the triangleforce is omniweapon (lol :DDD)

[@antimatterstudios8395]

@Kenneth Diamondheart DonT know about the blade of Olympus but it should be similar in power to the infinity gauntlet

[@antimatterstudios8395]

@Kenneth Diamondheart the gods in god of war aren’t strong, god is a title not a power level. They’re probably more powerful than the master sword but no way the Triforce, nothing on the GoW verse comes close to it

[@abstraction6212]

@@antimatterstudios8395 it depends of Din Faore and Nayru can survive the gow universe as the triforce is only a small fraction of their power. They only created a planet and thats nothing plus we have limited information about their history if they fought anyone or what combative abilities they have they cant be anywhere near beings like odin, zeus, one above all, prescence, Chitulu or jehovah. If you need proof that GOW gods scale beyond the triforce then: kzbin.info/www/bejne/robXimyfosSAY68 this should tell you everything. Plus its impossible to compare the zelda universe with greek mythology and norse paganism. As a gods magic that people worship in an actual pantheons complex legend, always stomps video game lore magic.

[@antimatterstudios8395]

@@abstraction6212 no it doesn’t, they’re both video game characters and even the real mythologies have their own feats that can be compared to

[@theganondorky7238]

My left ear enjoyed the voicing very much, from what I've seen around in comments it seems Ganondorf is about surface or planet level (not sure if that's part of the high ball or not), which is fun to know that my boy is stronk

[@Marionic9001]

Stronk, and haxed too! The Planetary/Surface level are consistent feats, I can name multiple instances across the series. Calamity is supposedly strongest form too, so much so that Link can't even damage him effectively & needs Zelda to create weakpoints on his body. I guess high-ball for Ganon would be him with Full Triforce with it's high-balled stats that I mention at the end of the video.

[@theganondorky7238]

@@Marionic9001 beautiful

[@pupper5580]

In Zelda A Link to the Past, Link obtains an orb from the third castle, which (the orb) prevents him from turning into a rabbit (his Socratic spiritual self, a creature his self is most a kin to) in the dark world. It has nothing to do with the triforce of courage. If I recall correct.

[@Marionic9001]

Oh yeah, that’s totally true, though I was not talking about Triforce of Courages magic resistance, but Master Sword’s at that point in the vid. In TP the Wolf Transformation is attribute of Triforce of Courage, but in LttP, Link definitely does not have his piece.

[@pupper5580]

@@Marionic9001 Oh you were talking about Link's inherent magic resistance regarding in Zelda A Link to the past, not connected to triforce of courage. Well like I said, the dark world bunny transformation is prevented by the orb from the third castle, not by Link's inherent magic resistance. Then you said: "this might be a function of master sword" well it's not, to repeat myself and to make things extra clear, the dark world bunny transformation was prevented by the orb from the 3rd castle. There is no evidence that I am aware of that master sword gives it's wielder magic resistance. You did not give any proof in the video either. It does have anti-magic and/or magical properties tho, such as in A Link to the Past, master sword is used to break Ganondorf's/Aghanim's spell which was preventing anyone from entering the castle. And in Ocarina of Time you could not defeat Ganon without landing the finishing blow by using the Master Sword.

[@Marionic9001]

@@pupper5580 I said Link had inherent magic resistance due to not transforming into monster, only becoming a bunny (the animal avatar closest to him), as everyone else becomes monster due to Dark World’s influence. When he gains the orb he no longer turns into anything.

[@pupper5580]

​@@Marionic9001 Hey thanks for your reply. I thought I replied to this but a week later I notice that my reply isn't here. And it's good because you emphasize the fact that you think Link has inherent magic resistance because everyone else being a monster in the dark world. Well, being a creature originating in the dark world is different than entering the dark world. If you're a creature who's origin is in the dark world, then you're affected by the evil wish Ganon made to the triforce for creating the dark world. "The Dark World is a twisted version of the Sacred Realm, transformed into a place of darkness when Ganon touched the Triforce, which granted the evil wishes in his heart." If you enter the dark world from the Golden Realm then you get transformed into a shape that reflects your inner self. "Whoever enters the Dark World is transformed into a shape that reflects their inner self. Those with hearts filled with greed turn to monsters; this fate befell others who sought the Triforce, who were unable to escape from the Dark World. Upon entering the Dark World, Link's form is that of a pink bunny" Because Link didn't turn into a monster it doesn't mean he has inherent magic resistance, it just means Link doesn't have greed in his heart. And it's a great storytelling device, to show you the observer of the story that the protagonist is a man innocent in his heart. So you see now, there is a difference in being an original inhabitant of the dark world, one who has been twisted by the evil wish Ganon made to the triforce, and one who enters the Dark World from the Golden Realm. A person originating from the Golden Realm has not been affected (twisted) by the evil wish to the triforce. Stop trying to push magic resistance to things which have nothing to do with magic resistance. You have a square peg and you're trying to push it through a triangle shaped hole. Quotes are from: zelda-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_World_(A_Link_to_the_Past)

[@Marionic9001]

@@pupper5580 I re-read (more like re-re-read) the game dialoque. You’re right about the bunny thing having nothing to do with Link resisting the curse, it's more like an anti-feat for that sort of thing if anything. I’ve added the corrections to the video description's notes.

[@theganondorky7238]

Coming back to this after a while, I'm confused about a lot as people keep saying with confidence that Ganon and Link are universal and stuff but this proves to me otherwise (someone did say that Link would have universal striking power since the master sword has a universe inside of it in breath of the wild which sounds suspicious to me), but after watching this again unless I'm missing something it seems that Ganon only has surface to planetary power with the full triforce, Zelda lore is way too confusing and not a lot of people talk about it's scaling or try to combat people making universal claims in videos other than this one, I really hope that BOTW 2 will provide some answers on things and hopefully consistent scaling (which probably won't be the case cause reasons)

[@Marionic9001]

"I'm confused about a lot as people keep saying with confidence that Ganon and Link are universal and stuff but this proves to me otherwise" - With Triforce yes, there’s scaling for that, as shown in the video. "someone did say that Link would have universal striking power since the master sword has a universe inside of it in breath of the wild" - I have no idea where that is coming from. Master Sword is sacred sword enhanced by flames from 3 Goddesses & Hylia. There’s no universes involved. "unless I'm missing something it seems that Ganon only has surface to planetary power with the full triforce" - No, that’s Ganondorf/Ganon on his own. There are couple outliers for star & solar system level that can be debated, but full Triforce should be about universal in potency, far higher if we high-ball. Contrary to popular belief however, LttP Link didn’t defeat Ganon with full Triforce, and only Ganon we’ve seen actually empower himself with it is in Hyrule Warriors. "Zelda lore is way too confusing and not a lot of people talk about it's scaling or try to combat people making universal claims in videos other than this one, I really hope that BOTW 2 will provide some answers on things and hopefully consistent scaling" - Yeah, the series tends to gloss over the exact mechanics behind most things or they’re rarely mentioned, like with the Triforce. I for one are hoping that in Triforce’s next appearance we get a confirmation if it’s just a fragment of Goddesses power or conduit for all of their power.

[@theganondorky7238]

@@Marionic9001 I see, thanks for clearing that up, I'm glad to have this here for good information on Zelda lore and scaling. The basis for the argument was about the sword trials, I don't really know how all that works since I never played the dlc and there really isn't anything I've found talking about it. Ok so I heard wrong, good to know. I do remember that now. I hope so too, but we'll just have to see next year.

[@Scarecrow_graveman]

時空を越え、はるか遠くのハイラルにも、こだまするほど首領は大声で笑い続けたそう です。 The leader laughed, heard throughout the Hyrule, transcending time and space. 男の名はガノンドロフ、通り名を魔盗族ガノン。 His name is Ganondorf, the nickname of Demon King Ganon. Dude ganondorf speed is immeasurable

[@powercage]

Why are you a Dracula?

[@Marionic9001]

There is no ”a Dracula”, there’s only ”The Dracula”, and he has an Transylvanian accent. If you’re instead asking, why I’m a vampire, then I suppose I can answer with this: What can I say? I can’t resist draining the life out of sweet things I find, and play around with the husks left behind. Beats being a mangy werewolf I can tell you that much.

[@itsuki6016]

But couldn't you get them to multiversel because of the different timelines

[@Marionic9001]

Goddesses have nothing to do with the timelines, they’re result of time travel creating different events. For all we know Goddesses have Timeline variants like Triforce is confirmed to have (though unlikely, as they existed before time). It can be argued however that Ocarina of Time (which is used to create the timelines) utilizes the power of Goddess of Time, so maybe that’d be something she could do at will? Though that wouldn’t be universal creation, as it’d be simply changing past events, thus creating different future (another Timeline). I decided to not talk about that in the video because it gets really unclear & speculative when trying to scale anything to the Timelines. Triforce has feats of effecting parts of different Timelines in Hyrule Warriors, so maybe…?

[@itsuki6016]

@@Marionic9001 Ok thanks for clearing that up that's what I was thinking but, I figured that would be massive wank. You definitely got another sub. You should definitely make a discord.

[@abstraction6212]

@@itsuki6016 multi universal you mean as Multi universal meams more than 1 universe or time line ((2 and up)) Multiversal means your strength exceeds infinity universes.

[@wearywanderer1912]

It's bizarre how pieces of the Triforce can grant you some boost in stats yet the complete version pretty much acts as Dragon Balls. So, in theory, Ganondorf would loose his ToP amp in exchange for a wish. Maybe he could wish to become the most powerful being around the verse, but so far noone did it. Just restoration and destruction of realms and beings, no empowering wishes. After those, like Dragon Balls (again), the Triforce parts get separated in TWW or stay dormant behind some altar In ALttP. Which means the user most likely doesn't keep previous "one-part boost" much less gain from the remaining two. As an ever-changing plot device I wonder if the Triforce is really necessary to the franchise or if it causes more narrative issues than beneficts.

[@Marionic9001]

I don’t think it causes more issues than benefits. While yes, inconsistent at times, Triforces narrative benefits to the overall lore, stakes & even themes of the particular games it appears in, far outweights any inconsistencies that may rise as a result of it's presence. Not saying that plot important items like this can’t be more fleshed out, Triforce definitely needs some more exploration, especially on the exact rules it functions under (like why it has granted multiple wishes at some points and other inconsistencies). And hey, it’s not like it needs to be in every game, we have done well without it in quite few.

[@thesilentshadow1256]

I feel like your forgetting that the triforce literaly and legitimately uses the goddesses to grant said wishes. using this train of logic, a certain statement from MM would make the triforce... well... definitely beyond Planetary my friend.

[@Marionic9001]

There’s a section for you my friend: High-Balled Triforce 37:23 - 44:27

[@thesilentshadow1256]

@@Marionic9001 I was refering specifically to in Majora's Mask, when it said "The Goddesses created millions of other worlds on accendent when they created Hyrule" not quoted actually, it was something different, hold up let me find this scan. AHEM!!: Quote: "When Hyrule was created by the three goddesses at the beginning of time, there were certain side effects of its creation which Din, Nayru and Farore did not anticipate. As the three holy women breathed life into the world and chased away Emptiness, their potent breath slipped through tiny cracks in the folds of space and created millions of alternate worlds in the process" this is a quote from the actual game itself, and well... it means a lot.

[@Marionic9001]

@@thesilentshadow1256 Finally a confirmation on Zelda Multiverses size! Though it’s strange… I’ve never heard that one, despite playing through all quests in Majora’s Mask like 3 times. Links to the source of the quote?

[@Marionic9001]

@@thesilentshadow1256 Nope, still can't find the quote after skimming through all the dialog in MM. At which part is it?

[@thesilentshadow1256]

and myg can I please buy you a new mic XD

[@Marionic9001]

I started to use different mic on my last vid. Should be improvement.

[@thesilentshadow1256]

@@Marionic9001 noice

[@abstraction6212]

If you use Dragon Ball Z power levels what level is Ganons power level? Or what about Marvel power level for Ganondorf?

[@Marionic9001]

Depends on how you want to interpret at what power level you think a character can destroy a planet and if magical strength is accounted, and if speed/durability directly relate to power level... Ganon at his best is Life-Wiper/planet buster, so he'd be around those ranges. Marvel has power levels now...? Or do you mean where he stacks power vice? Dunno... sweeps most earthbound heroes till he gets to big guns of each team... then he prolly gets beaten by pretty much every major powerhouse (Thor, Hulk, Hercules, Sentry, even some forms of Ironman ect. ect.) considering how crazy Marvel feats tend to be.

[@abstraction6212]

@@Marionic9001 well i always believed Ganondorf to be at least Dr Doom level at bare minimum.

[@Marionic9001]

@@abstraction6212 No way, considering how Doom engages in combat with entire teams of heroes or 1v1's powerhouses like Silver Surfer, Hulk & Dr. Strange on the regular. That guy in particular is probably worst one you could pick, as Doom has feats of threatening & draining powers of Gods like Galactus, Celestials & Mephisto that put everything in Zelda series to shame, he's just that insane.

[@abstraction6212]

@@Marionic9001 what about Kratos? Can he stomp Zelda? Cuz i gotta tell ya hell make Ganon look like a bitch same for poor vaati majora girahim veran and demise.

[@abstraction6212]

LOZ is lucky Kratos is in God of war