Lammily: The Failure of the "Anti-Barbie"

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[@kuromi_xo]

The only body issue Barbie gave me was the lack of wings and/or a mermaid tail, i really need those

[@aefaleer]

same lol

[@crowqueenamps]

My mermaid bias started with Mermaidtopia. It will never die.

[@SisterWomen]

Just keel dreaming. One day.😊

[@kirakuroe]

There was not a single little girl who did not want that mermaid tail Elena got in Fairytopia mermaidia movie. The best version of her I think ✨

[@alimahou]

As a dancer kid/teen, I just wanted her perfect en pointe ballet doll feet. 🤷‍♀️😂

[@Nightman221k]

Those stretchmark, pimple stickers would not actually make the kids feel normal about having cellulite or zits. You know 100% the kids would be like, "Look, Lammily has pimples ... ON HER BUTT"

[@adamlambboy8332]

Young kids don’t even have stretchmarks. Why would they care if she does or doesn’t have them? I’m sorry but Lamily only existed to make insecure moms feel better about themselves after living through the 90s/2000s. Your child doesn’t care if their toys have tiny waists, their insecurities come from the media bombarding them with diet ads and images of super thin models. 🤦🏼

[@WeaselDuster]

​​​@@adamlambboy8332YES. IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE TOYS, THAT WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM. People just want an easy target to blame our problems on because they they're don't care enough to actually change anything.

[@RomeroRomeral]

​@@adamlambboy8332I think it's unfair to depict wanting more diverse toys as solely based on insecurities of adults. Some girls DO feel insecure about their hair, size or skin not ressembling any of their toys, but obviously a fashion doll is gonna have a stylized body one way or another. I think we can have both without demonizing hiperfemininity and stylized dolls.

[@Kitty.ggaall]

@@RomeroRomeral You missed their point. They weren’t trying to insinuate that some kids don’t have those insecurities, they were saying how people loved to blame body image issues solely on toys. I mean the same thing happened to brats, though that was just people being prudes about fashion. Point is, they were pointing out how adults, instead of looking at the bigger picture, put a lot of heat on toys instead.

[@Aros4]

@@RomeroRomeralabsolutely agree but I also think theres plenty of cool opportunities to give kids that confidence boost without seeming so damn condescending. Those stickers look goofy, like something I would fine in one of those “gross toys for boys” lines from early 2000s. They are even too thick and don’t blend to the skin. It doesn’t feel average normal or tactful, it feels like they are making acne a tacky thing that sticks out like a sore thumb. Idk if that makes sense but Lamily is so obviously a product of a man that tells women what the female experience is because theres no way she could possibly know more than him

[@misspinka4292]

Barbie didn’t cause my Anorexia. I have always been a huge fan even as a chubby kid and I never thought of her as a body to aspire to. My focus was on the pretty fashions, hair and makeup! It was actually my family and public ridicule that caused the Anorexia LMAO

[@misspinka4292]

Adding to this, Barbie actually DID influence my perception of beauty in relation to RACE funnily enough. As a young child most popular media (including Barbie) only depicted white, blonde and blue eyed girls as pretty and aspirational. As a young child I wanted to be white and blonde so badly, I thought that would make me pretty.

[@morganorwhatever]

I definitely relate to the race/hair colour thing. I desperately wanted to be blonde, but at the same time there was a lot of media that demonized pretty blonde women and caused me to be instinctually jealous of the popular blonde girls I went to school with

[@nbcommiedyke]

EXACTLY!! so many people in my life shared this sentiment about barbie, but actively shame other HUMAN bodies and hate fat people.

[@miyuu1317]

Yeah, lol, it was my mom and the world around me that caused my eating disorder! I had every barbie movie and every barbie doll from each movie, and let me tell you Barbie never called me fat!

[@professorbutters]

100%. There is plenty of body shaming coming from regular people. I remember a lot of “you’d be so pretty if you just lost weight.”

[@kiwikiwi4150]

Lamm would tell you "you'd look prettier without makeup" after you spent 2 hours doing the prettiest coolest looking makeup

[@lolinontot7642]

Heh a random guy at the train station said that to me once. I was dressed up as a zombie 😅

[@Meela9088]

@@lolinontot7642lol he wasn’t wrong in that instance

[@fatcat5817]

It's called "make-up" for a reason. 😂

[@404_Toonz]

​@@Meela9088yes he was bud

[@AifosViruset]

​@@lolinontot7642did he think you dressed up as a zombie to look pretty?

[@dustymcwari4468]

That whole "Average is Beautiful" reminds me to that episode of Teenage Robot where Jenny got a suit that let her look like a normal human girl, she grew tired of it eventually, but the suit turned out being alive and forced itself onto her, crawling on its own in the middle of the night like a reanimated snake skin preying on its sleeping victim, attaching itself onto her and taking over her body, and after that it kept forcing her to disregard her individuality and the things that make her both strong and special, including her ability to fight crime and help others, all in favor of always being a "normal girl", whispering to her from the back of her neck that "Normal is Good"

[@Siabeysment]

Omg I remember that show and episode! I’m gonna watch that now 😂

[@Drixenol86]

Reminded me of the alien symbiot that created Venom.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

That was a disturbing episode.

[@Obanesharvest]

Wow this unlocked a disturbing core memory lol

[@dustymcwari4468]

@@Drixenol86 now imagine it being evil and forcing its host to embrace the status quo and disregard their individuality completely

[@Howelton2020]

Even "average people" like to dress up and look glamorous on occasion, something they seem to have forgotten with Lammily.

[@professorbutters]

@@user-dd5eh5lu3oMost kids can’t do that yet, though, and fewer people know how to sew, so they can’t make things or teach their kids how. They should have provided some different outfits just for the choice. After all, early Barbie outfits really were activities, like going to a football game. And those early outfits were beautifully made, too. Not long after that, the career outfits came out: Barbie as nurse, astronaut, etc. They missed a big opportunity just to give Lammily realistic scrubs, for example.

[@Kotifilosofi]

There's no reason for Lammily to celebrate because her life is just... average.

[@lylukk]

for real. like the 'celebrating denmark' outfit looks like something a 70 y/o would wear. what kid wants a doll that might dress like their grandma?

[@mai_art1729]

Yeah, even a cute simple black dress would be adorable on her! She's a beautiful doll, but her clothes don't do her justice. I might buy one and just make her some prettier clothes 😭

[@Kotifilosofi]

@@mai_art1729 sweet idea, but I wouldn't buy dolls from someone who wants to make little girls dolls he'd date... and who supports Trump 🤔

[@pastelpurpledeathbed]

I gonna keep it real, a lot of the time I feel as if “anti barbie” dolls especially made by men are usually only done to show their “superiority” to fashion dolls. Let the girls have pink and glitter and clothes. Damn.

[@elizabethclarke4981]

I suppose this is due to the backlash they get for making fashion dolls that are hyper feminine, people feel that it's imposing stereotypes on women and girls and it's telling them to focus on their looks only etc imo I'm fine with either doll whatever makes people happy but I will say people gotta stop shaming hyper feminine things, so what if men and women find those things attractive we're human beings it's in our nature to like those things

[@KingOfGaymes]

They’re always made out of hatred towards hyper feminine glamorous dolls, they never make them from actual love and passion.

[@KingOfGaymes]

@@elizabethclarke4981Barbie isn’t just about her looks tho, she’s got every career on earth and more lol so I’m not really sure how she’s imposing stereotypes? Maybe Barbie in the past did but she doesn’t now that’s for sure. Hyper feminine =/= stereotypical

[@elizabethclarke4981]

@Kingofgaymes my point exactly, alot of the anti barbie people miss that major factor

[@waterdog737]

​@@KingOfGaymeskinda like what they were trying to say in the barbie movie

[@AmberRubberDucky]

Lamm is definitely one of those "You should smile more" guys who think they're doing some great favor to women by bothering them while they're just out living their lives and trying to get by

[@perfumedelight66]

😂 Yep!

[@geckovonparsley8200]

He gives me "you'd look prettier without all that makeup" vibes too

[@alexandrakennedy2000]

Hes giving “I want to marry a girl just like my mom” vibes for sure lol

[@idunnobutyay2520]

@@alexandrakennedy2000now that’s scary!

[@tarotsushima3332]

Yeah he looks so damn smug I'm glad it flopped. And Lammily just feels like the purity culture/NLOG version of a kids doll that feels more restrictive than anything

[@DarlingDevilCustoms]

"Barbie's not realistically proportioned." Meanwhile, those big-headed lol dolls are just getting to exist in peace...

[@sierraburkhart]

i mean bc everyone knows that is literally physically impossible to look like that??? ntm on bratz 😭

[@deepfriedmochi]

Lamilly looks like she’d say she has a dog or likes pizza when asked for a fun fact about herself.

[@phantomology13]

I bet one set comes with a t-shirt that says “don’t talk to me until I’ve had my coffee” or something about hating mondays

[@sydneypaez]

@@phantomology13”I’d choose Netflix over going out any day!!!” Sorry but I had too💀 that’s how I acted in high school lmao

[@TwoBs]

“I’m very quirky and random!” Yeah, definitely those vibes.

[@AshtonGarland]

Listen my dog has one eye and I love him. He is my fun fact 😤

[@sydneypaez]

@@AshtonGarland in your defense if I had a pet (specifically a cat) it would be my fun fact too.

[@danderson8431]

No child uses their imagination to pretend to be “normal” or “average”. They fantasize about being special, pretty, and popular. Heck, we all do.

[@aavaron]

exactly, I dreamed about being a pirate or fairy, not about being a cashier in local store

[@legendarybubbles4567]

So true lol Though, now that I’m an adult, I have fun fantasizing about characters living in a house together, and doing mundane things. 😂 (Still having fun with magic and fantasy though!) That’s the problem when we only look at things from an adult perspective.

[@lunanorvell5770]

Yes!! But the problem is where does this come from? And is it a problem? I personally feel like it's a problem to have girls at a young age learning to be the perfect woman. I loved my dolls, but I do think we grow up trying to become our dolls.

[@maddieb.4282]

@@lunanorvell5770no we don’t, I never saw Barbie’s body or life as aspirational, she’s a fake doll. I knew the difference between reality and fantasy

[@lolinontot7642]

That - or being an alien from a distant planet who's come to dissassemble and disembody the souls and bodies of the mortals from this plane of existence, to recreate and reawaken an eldrich diety of the most horrid of origins!

[@MissThomas]

Basically, she was the “I’m not like other girls” of the doll world.

[@konan2511]

except shes trying so hard to be like other girls

[@VioletNKisHere]

Lol same. I actually edited Barbie and Lammily over a “not like other girls” image.

[@Nocturne22]

The 2010's was wild.

[@annaczyz7185]

more like "pick me up, I am a wife material that is gonna cook and clean, not like those obscure hoes that care about their appearance and have wild dreams" vibe

[@marshiboi2991]

Now we need to make Lam and Barbie date

[@emoscotchtape]

the biggest issue with lammily from a marketing standpoint is you can make barbie normal. Barbie can be literally anything. Including an average person working a 9-5. That's her whole market.

[@MissCaraMint]

It’s true. She’s had every job ever. She’s everything. Including characters from other movies. I had a Meg from Disney’s Hercules Barbie. In fact I probably had several (mom would replace them if it got lost or broken so I didn’t know exactly how may I went through). I loved the character so much because of her sassy, no-nsense, brave, and just plain cool personality (also great eye makeup), and she fit all of Barbie’s clothes. Because I had a doll that was great for dressing up, but not many clothes for her, I got creative and made her clothes myself. Hell grandma helped out by knitting stuff for her. It’s probably why I love making clothes today. Creativity is a powerful thing. A doll that helps you develop that is worth its weight in gold in my opinion. That doll doesn’t need to be Barbie, but it’s not going to be Lammily.

[@Financiallyfreeauthor]

But a lot of that came after the criticisms in the 80s. When I was a kid Barbie didn't have lots of different jobs. She was a babysitter or a bride.

[@durdleduc8520]

the focus on "normal" is really weird imo. i find the oversimplification of the slogan "average is beautiful" just so... icky. like being not average isn't beautiful? like "beautiful" is a qualifier to fight over at all. his entire marketing campaign was the most milktoast "not like other girls" imaginable.

[@silvergust]

​@@Financiallyfreeauthorit's true that barbie didn't have as much variety at the time pre-you can be anything slogan, but she definitely had more jobs than just a bride or a babysitter 💀 she was an astronaut even before the 80s too

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

​@@Financiallyfreeauthor She was a nurse, a ballerina, s singer, fashion model, a business executive and an astronaut in the 60s, the decade she was invented.

[@teas3998]

I was a big Betty Spaghetti girl, and I will say, I am VERY insecure about my lack of long, noodly, posable appendages. 😢

[@Tricksterr_]

Yeah, I always wanted to be a stuffed bear :(

[@whowhy7554]

@@Tricksterr_that’s so cute😭I always wanted to have six arms like that one monster high doll

[@notimetospyanewloudhousemovie]

@sparksparkleReal!! 😢

[@kendalkolasinski8055]

@sparksparkleYou must envy Coraline

[@nyoka3834]

​@@whowhy7554wydowna spider!! she was so pretty

[@xKagryx]

I’m not worried about a child projecting themselves onto a glittery, pink, feminine toy avatar. I’m worried about diet culture and almond moms who shame their growing children for being hungry.

[@Nocturne22]

I would be way more worried about kids projecting themselves onto a roided out "action figure" that's supposed to kill and harm things as its fun backstory. But hey, that's for boys so that makes it alright compared to some sparkly gowns.

[@emmaphilo4049]

@@Nocturne22 to be honest we can criticize a lot of toys and make a list of problems accross the post world war 2 decades where generations have seen the toy industry develop massively. Toys mirror the culture, good and bad.

[@neigeshusband5327]

​@@Nocturne22Nah that's not a big deal either. Kids like violence, that's been a thing as long as kids have existed. They're capable of telling fun superhero fantasy from reality

[@gabsy_ferreira]

FOR REAL

[@mynameisreallycool1]

I really hate how parents blame the most ridiculous things, like dolls, certain TV shows, video games, etc. for any kind of problems that their children have, when most of the time, a huge reason for their trauma or insecurities existing are because of the parents themselves. I'm starting to think that the reason for the public's habit of blaming toys, comics, video games, and TV shows for mental issues among children is so parents can protect their own egos and not admit that they might be the problem.

[@susanforeman8168]

A little girl I babysat introduced her Lamily doll to me as “Barbie’s ugly friend”. I think children are the only ones who are honest about it when they see her 😂

[@thefrugalkitchen]

Lammily is the Duff.

[@susanforeman8168]

@@thefrugalkitchen and everyone knows it lol

[@oceanexblve884]

I’m crying 😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀

[@kenthuang436]

Lammily looks like a failed attempt at try to do drag for the very first time. Her hair looks so flat and just sits there as if it were a wig, the clothes are so plain and unflattering, and her face doesn’t even look that feminine. I know that there are some women who do look like Lammily and I am not trying to make fun of them but seriously, if you saw a Lammily right next to a Barbie are you not going to question if Lammily was even supposed to be a girl and not some guy doll failing to be a drag queen?

[@kenthuang436]

Also the boy Lammily Doll looks even worse and makes me think of the SNL character Pat minus the glasses and curly hair who was so androgynous that literally no one knew their gender. Not even the parent Francis/Frances.

[@ckind2098]

there's something so deeply ironic here about making children compare and critique two female doll's bodies, with the clear implication that one body is "bad" 🙃

[@yeetghostrat]

Especially when the more realistic one is unhealthy- based on averages, not the mean. Considering how many morbidly obese women there are now, they really skew the statistics to make the average larger than the normal. You have to have a lot of thin women to level out the very large women.

[@penntopaper9305]

@@yeetghostrat not to mention that people who are underweight skew this metric a ton as well, esp in women. averages are just a stupid way to approximate most things in real life lol

[@rhiannon175]

@@yeetghostratokay but skinnyness is the beauty standard. it's something young girls were taught is the ideal, why are you phrasing this as if they are suddenly demeaned or oppressed in some way?

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

⁠@@penntopaper9305well... yes, but, you can only be so underweight. The "limit" for overweight is still being pushed :( even if five women are 80 pounds, one 400 pound woman is going to make the average 133. I didn't really want to say anything because wow this topic feels gross, but if I had to wager I'd bet real life Lammily is medically overweight...

[@worstusernameintheworld9871]

I could also be biased here but when I saw the body measurements for lammily, her measurements indicate that she has a "rectangular" body shape, but the body on the doll looks more reminiscent to a slim hourglass that I see in a lot of women in real life (with "hourglass" measurements aka 10 inch waist-to-hip ratio). I'm probably being nitpicky for saying this but it's just something i noticed, they couldn't even give her a proper rectangular one inch waist-to-hip ratio body shape lmao

[@neoxonico]

I think the weirdest thing about one of the articles on Lammily is like “We should teach kids reality is just as cool as imagination!” Like maybe I’m misinterpreting it but you should want your child to develop an imagination. Also, Barbie isn’t a real woman; she’s a representation of a woman. She represents an idea, and that idea is that women can be anything. And sure, Barbie can be interpreted as not just an idea, but an ideal. But Lammily’s purpose was to say “This is what women ARE and/or SHOULD be, not what women CAN be.” It pigeonholed her into being an ideal, not an idea.

[@LogicalChronicalPhenomenal]

The whole point of Barbie is to play pretend and dress up to escape. That’s the purpose of dolls! When you take away that, you get a boring toy cause we already see that in the real world. Little girls want to escape. Give us the heavy make up, dresses, and glamour.

[@supotter377]

I’d love to see people try to tell kids that now with all the bs going on in reality. They would be laughed out of the damn room!

[@DrawciaGleam02]

To be fair, a few recent movies and TV shows have had character arcs with someone learning they need to live in reality instead of a fantasy world. So I sort of get why someone would make a doll that teaches "reality is just as cool as imagination".

[@LogicalChronicalPhenomenal]

​@@DrawciaGleam02 Yeah but is it though? I think as we grow older most of us already get hit with reality and isn't as good as our imagination was unfortunately. I remember revisiting things older and they weren't as fun mainly cause you have to grow up. I wish little things like that were just as fun as when I was a kid to be honest.

[@miticaBEP07]

Heck, Bratz were most of the times portrayed as normal girls without magical powers or a royal palace and they made "reality" look cool. They went shopping, they listened to music, they had fun together. They made you want to grow up and build your own style. Bratz make McDonald's look delectable. Lammily would say "you don't need McDonald's, the plain casserole I made is just as good. You should appreciate reality more".

[@sandystudios223]

I’m very worried for the girls who were harmed by Almond moms, not Barbie

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

My foster parent was no almond mom, she just starved me because she was cheap and being hungry kept me behaviorally compliant so that I would do tricks like a dog for treats.

[@moonlightmelody6919]

Oh. Oh that sounds horrible, are you out of that living situation? That is a very concerning to confess in the comment section of a video about dolls, I really hope you are in a safe environment away from there :( /srs

[@TwoBs]

Gosh, you are so correct … They’ve done way more damage to young kids (and dare I say society? lol) than some doll.

[@sandystudios223]

@@TwoBs “we live in a society”

[@sandystudios223]

@@TielMama777 a mom who makes her daughters feel ashamed for being hungry and often puts her fat insecurities on them

[@fionaflop300]

Lammily, the queen of average who flopped her way down the stairs into obscurity. What a problematic icon.

[@zachanikwano]

😂😂

[@SisterWomen]

She was cringe before it was viral

[@Funeral_Mannequin]

She just like me fr

[@cuddlewuffle]

eugh, that comment Lamm made about Barbie being “alien-like” and how real women are “warm and friendly” makes my skin crawl. Lammily is so _clearly_ a projection of his idea of a “good woman” and i’m kind of shocked at how many people bought into it, even with the pushback against Barbie at the time… i think more parents and other family members of young girls need to own up to the fact that any and all body issues that children develop are usually caused by family. even comments family make about themselves will cause kids to look at their own bodies differently. everyone’s always shifting blame but nobody wants to get to the root of the issue!!

[@awhimsyreader9015]

THIS! And the fact that people actually thought this was feminist too is what makes this even more absurd like I thought part of feminism was to get rid of the idea that women are only good so long as they have male approval

[@SkyeID]

Concerning his ideas about "real women", I think part of the problem is that Lamm's an incel and a Trumpkin. Body image issues can come from other places besides family: social media, kids at school, TV shows.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

no it's not even just family that causes body issues,it's MEDIA. My issues stemmed from both family AND media

[@animohamo195]

"i think more parents and other family members of young girls need to own up to the fact that any and all body issues that children develop are usually caused by family." VERY true. In general, our parents have a tendency of not owning up to their abusive ways and blaming everything else for their child's problems. Parents need to start taking responsibility and stop blaming toys, TV shows, video games, movies, and books for all their children's problems that the parents themselves most likely started. Media can have an effect, but there's a huge difference between having a character starve themselves to lose weight and have it be portrayed as an okay thing to do or have everyone around them say, "OMG you're so fat! It's so gross!" to someone who looks healthy without the idea being challenged, versus having an unusually thin character just...exist. Almost everyone I've met who has had body insecurities seem to have family members (typically parents, but it also could be other family members) who are at least partially to blame. The other things that are partially to blame are bullying from school and early exposure to social media, but you have to ask, who is letting children have unlimited access to social media? The parents. And where are these bullies getting their mean spirited attitudes and body standards from? Likely from home. Likely from the way their parents act or tell their kids. So even then, someone's parents hold responsibility. If a child IS being affected by a doll's body shape and is being triggered by it, I'd argue that said child has already developed these body insecurities before the doll came into their life, likely from the people around them, and more specifically their parents.

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

SERIOUSLY. I've barely had a whisper of body image issues in my life, but it just makes me feel _gross_ when my mom talks about her "target weight" or recommends a new diet to my dad (who is a rather bulky army man, I'd be surprised to find out he's more that 10% fat). Even if you don't project these issues onto your kids directly, they hear you. And they might do that projection on their own. I'm lucky I never did.

[@rainbowditto9033]

What kills me is that in 7th grade, when lammily was first launched, my health teacher held an entire class telling us the bogus study points and showing us lammily going 'this will fix kids body image problems!' And it just pissed me off. It wasnt barbie that made my self image poor. It was bullying from kids the same teacher refused to do anything about. It was adults insisting that i wasnt 'fit' and that i (12) needed to lose weight (i was already dangerously underweight due to a hormonal problem) . Lammily is like a spit in the face of people who suffer from body image problems. Being told that a doll would fix a societal problem is laughable at best and insulting at worst

[@magical571]

teachers often can't do much since it would require a call to action in regards to the parents of said children, who are paying monthly (need i say more). And on the other hand, if the bullies get bothered too much by teachers, they'll definitely be hearing from upset parents at school. Sad, but true.

[@melancholyjones2873]

This exactly! Barbie is at most a symptom of a larger societal problem.

[@blondbraid7986]

Exactly! Even as a 6 year old kid, I knew the difference between cartoons and real life people, kids aren't idiots.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

@@melancholyjones2873exactly

[@chocomelo454]

literally. also for me most of my chest dysphoria came from my teacher putting emphasis on my chest and using it as a reason to call me fat or slutshame me, an 11 year old. and being mocked for my chest being bigger than other kids. like, if people didn't do that, my top dysphoria probably would've been way more tame.

[@elainejsta]

Politics aside, what child wants an AVERAGE TOY? Wasn't that the point of the conflict in Toy Story? The plain toy being overshadowed for the new, shiny, fancy one? How can you miss this?

[@kingandrewcecil348]

Ikr - whoever that came up with this idea of the "average" Lammily doll clearly never saw Toy Story 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@hieithefox]

I can’t imagine being a person in a creative field like Design and not recognizing that kids play with dolls to play pretend to be imaginative

[@hieithefox]

Also I don’t have body image issues because of my toys I have them because of real people especially family making comments like “your always eating” “you look fat etc” and the movies and tv with real people and magazines with real people that show only a particular kind of person.

[@goodmorning2386]

I used to like to play with cars toys, and I never wanted to be a car

[@JackHarbon]

Leave it to a man to create a doll, allegedly for little girls, that's entire identity is centered around her body and how she's received by other grown men, even down to naming her after himself. This entire project was so self-serving and self-aggrandizing, it almost makes me feel sorry for the poor doll.

[@ariadnefrolich7243]

Couldn't have sumerized Lammily better myself.

[@kupotenshi]

That photo of him holding the doll in a dark room is so creepy 💀

[@dork7546]

@@DoodleBob38 He literally said he doesn't like Barbie because he perceives women who are too attractive as "cold and intimidating" and the he prefers average looking women because they're "warm and nice". Kinda reads like the incel type of guy who likes his women meek and average looking because this way, they can't do better than him and thus, he can control them easier.

[@sophiesong8937]

ALSO, cellulite is not an actual thing.. and most little girls wouldn't know what it is, because the 'cellulite' skin appearance doesn't usually happen prior to puberty. Why add something new for kids to focus on and worry about?

[@tchaika222]

A bland, plain, average looking girl made by a Trump admirer and creep who is giving off in cel vibes ... What a great role model for young girls.

[@aworte3266]

Its ironic Barbie was criticized for her body being the focus though she has careers. but in reality, Lammily was the one who made her body the focal point

[@definitelynotashark1799]

And also the entire concept is based on tearing down women somehow lol

[@madokami03]

Ironic that adults who hate Barbie and think her appearance body shames young girls by being too thin and “glamorous,” are therefore body shaming her and thin/petite women in the process

[@cefrinaldi8060]

Most of barbie ads are mostly her clothing and a new way to play her. Those critic are just delusional.

[@willoh4467]

I hate the way Lamm talks about "barbie if she were real" like she'd be some stone cold b*. I am 6'9, almost SEVEN FEET TALL, as well as very skinny. i literally look more like the barbie in the comparison photos than the "average woman" shaped doll being praised for her body all the time, and hearing that some guy thinks that a tall skinny woman is inhuman, alien-like, intimidating, and cold just rubs me a hella wrong way

[@Aros4]

I am short lol but I also have a more “barbie-like” proportions. Its absolutely disgusting how Lammily seems more of Lamms incel fantasy than anything and pretends that this sort of mentality isn’t also harming people’s body image and also how others view them.

[@Candyrock15]

​@@Aros4right? Lots of people have bodies that look similar to barbie's build, including me. It's so weird hearing these pearl clutches act like it's so unrealistic and unfathomable for a woman to look like that, as if we're not "real" women. I do understand the need for body diversity in dolls though, but it just feels so unnecessary to attack bodies that happen to ressemble barbie's in favour of those that ressemble lamily

[@Aros4]

@@Candyrock15 period. It all goes back to how our bodies are objectified. How we aren’t allowed to physically exist without the approval of society and what is considered to be the “right way to be a woman”.

[@iloveazaeliabanks]

same when ppl say fashion models are unrealistic im tall and flat and looking at models with the same body type makes me feel better about myself as ppl find them attractive

[@Aros4]

@@iloveazaeliabanks the standard should be healthy and healthy comes in all shapes and sizes whether thats skinny, chubby, curvy, flat, short, tall, disabled, able bodied, or anything in between. I appreciate modern barbie for not trying to standardize healthy and understanding this very concept by providing a diverse range of body types. I think thats just what naturally happens when things are created by and for the demographics it wishes to serve

[@LucaGlitchy]

"If Barbie was a real person, she wouldn't have any organs!" Maybe she's not supposed supposed to be a normal person because she's a toy for kids? She can have wings! Maybe she just has a thin torso so she can be picked up and played with easier, because kids have small hands. Children aren't going to be focused on diet culture. They want to play pretend, Barbie's a woman who can do anything and be anything. I get that body image is important but it’s always off putting when grown adults try to ascribe sex appeal to something for kids- like I can't be the only one who gets uncomfortable by adults saying barbie is "too sexy" right? Edit: spelling and grammar corrections

[@ohdang1083]

You put something into words that I always found faulty with the ‘anti-Barbie’ craze. I owned a lot of Barbies as a kid, and I had body issues as a teen. I never ever found barbie to be the source of my body issues, because even when I was a kid I saw her as a toy. It’s honestly crazy how people will spend so much time vilifying a doll when there are so many other aspects of unhealthy body image that have nothing to do with Barbie

[@LucaGlitchy]

@ohdang1083 Same! I struggle with my body image but not because I played with barbie when I was younger it's because of stuff like anxiety and being bullied at school and social media (it was mostly Instagram at the time but also just the fact it was the 2010s internet) When I was playing with Barbies, i wasn't thinking about being as thin as her, I was thinking about going on magical adventures.

[@zoomerdaria]

I'm not arguing with the rest of your comment, but the sex appeal thing has literally always been around with Barbie. Like, her design was based on a German sex doll.

[@MissCaraMint]

Exactly. The things causing body image issues are not the toys, but the unrealistic images in media sold to us as reality. I wouldn’t be surprised if kids who played with Barbie overlapped with the kids who got interested in fashion and so were subjected to those retouched images of models more frequently than others. And to magazines with tips on how to lose weight and stuff. Basically just because someone found some sort of correlation doesn’t mean there is a causal link between Barbie and low self esteem.

[@sagebell1309]

but what about her thinness is fantastical? what does that contribute to play? at this point we’re kidding ourselves. as a little girl without a mom or any sisters, i had no real women in my life to set a standard and there were many times that i wondered why my stomach was so “pudgy” in relation to Barbie’s. she has been marketed for centuries as a role model for young girls and i think it’s incredibly naive to assume her insanely thin physique has nothing to do with the social pressure imposed on women to be unrealistically thin.

[@ZombieOwl12]

The whole "average is beautiful" is nice, but to me, I get this undertone of "Don't strive for more, don't try all these careers, settle and be happy with what you have", which is harmful in a different way. It's like men who show disdain for confident women because they feel inferior or intimidated.

[@death-xiii]

definitely what is underlying lamm's statement about barbie seeming "alien-like" and how "if she were a real woman, she would be cold and intimidating". barbie represents a beautiful, glamorous, confident, and ambitious young woman who follows her dreams and can do anything she wants, be whoever she wants. she lives her dream life. through her, little girls feel like they can do the same.

[@barrysteakfriessimp_real]

literally, you can tell people that they do not have an obligation to look perfect and that they are still worthy being just the way they are without shitting on people who dare to do more than what is considered average. it frustrates me how often the message of "being average is not less worthy of respect" is somehow conflated into "average is good pretty is bad and fuck everyone who is pretty raaggghh". like what.... also yeah i definitely agree that the misogyny that gets flung towards women who are confident in themselves plays a big part in this. it just reeks of "you have to fit into my closed in standards of what feminine beauty actually is!!!", just turned the other way.

[@Scorpscorpdorp]

​@barrysteakfriessimp_real I think neutrality is the key to be honest. Every human should be treated equally on a moral level in my head. I don't see people for how they look or what their job is. I see them for their personality. The golden rule was taught when I was a kid. "Treat others how you want to be treated" assuming that you want to be treated with respect and dignity.

[@papermintairplane]

My petty ass was always hoping doll customizers would get their hands on her and give her over the top glam makeovers out of spite, but sadly it never happened. Or at least I never found it if it did.

[@hildisvini_art]

The Yassification Of Lammily 😂

[@juliuslovr]

I found a Lammily doll at a thrift store in my area. I'm curious if someone got her to customize since it took a while for her to sell and her ankle broke off

[@impedimentahamartia9864]

I've seen a few people do it, actually. The only problem is that basically no twelve inch doll clothes fit her.

[@tessfabled4115]

I know some people did but her sculpt is super flat so not the most inspiring canvas to work with for many :/

[@queenleech3634]

@@impedimentahamartia9864 I've been working on one on & off for like 2 years but haven't finished it for this exact reason lol. Someday I'll learn to sew

[@Twilightsonata-w7p]

Putting Barbie in human portions is stupid of course, she’s basically a cartoon in 3D. However, you have to admit in the way they describe her, a human size Barbie that walks on all fours and can’t lift up her head would be a pretty great creepy pasta😭

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

I’m pretty sure that is how at least one of my weird Barbies ended up

[@kristinazubic9669]

@@phoenixfritzinger9185 it’s wild that there’s an official Mattel-made weird Barbie now 😂

[@fricka4798]

yeah the cartoonish elements like the big head are meant to look good on a small scale! it gives her more character and such

[@skitterly]

@@fricka4798yeah i was wondering why those average barbies looked so awkward to me and that’s a great way of putting it

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

Oh gosh now you have me imagining it... she'd have to be belly-up so her head hung in a way she could see o-o

[@amirah4253]

i never understood why the inclusion of more body types had to hand in hand with average and boring clothes. because if it's really about including bigger body types, let bigger people see their bodies in huge ballgowns or pink glittery dresses!!!! diversity doesn't always have to be boring

[@misspinka4292]

Exactly, like why do we have to choose between diversity and glam??

[@morphinpink]

Because the fatphobia runs deep, if they gave nice clothes to a variety of doll body types people will call it "glamorizing unhealthy bodies" :/

[@astralecliptic]

I would guess it has partly to do with production issues. If all your dolls are the same size, you can devote all your resources/production time to one dress - versus if they're differently proportioned, you have to split it to making multiples of the same outfit. If the outfit is simple and unfitted, then maybe it'll fit all of them and you don't have to do the extra work of adjusting the clothes to look good on all of them.

[@tessfabled4115]

This is the issue and it comes down to companies being cheap unfortunately. You can have body diversity but only with sack dresses according to Mattel :/

[@EagleTimberWolf]

What's crazy is this isn't just a doll issue. Any and every time I see clothes meant for plus-sized people, it always seems like it's relegated to generic soccer mom outfits and literal granny dresses.

[@MissBloopTartVT]

I really do believe the failure of Lammily has to do with the fact that nothing else was truly advertised about her beyond just her looks. Whereas you have Barbie who is an astronaut, chef, princess, pop singer, roller blader, dog sitter, big sister, politician, teacher, everything but the kitchen sink. There are solid concepts that _any_ kid can get behind. Lammily ironically enough promotes the idea that you can and should be judged by how you look and carry yourself, since that's all there was to her- being "not like the other girls".

[@LeoDBW]

"You became the very thing you swore to destroy!"

[@ErisIsAnAbomination]

My thoughts exactly. Idk, I find it insulting that most “realistically proportioned” characters only exist to be tokenized or preach the creator’s moral high ground, never on their own terms. For the love of god, start creating characters as CHARACTERS FIRST.

[@JamSparing]

Going to go out on a limb saying that being the kitchen sink is not out of the question.

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

@@ErisIsAnAbomination that's actually an even better idea than you think it is: bodies change. A big contributor to that is what the body's owner DOES. If you start with a CHARACTER, you can determine what they do and how it'd affect their body!! And use genetics to explain any stylistic choices ofc :p

[@engelberthovel8566]

I mean this in the least mean way possible, but I always found it irritating that the female lammily is still obviously designed to be fairly slim and conventionally attractive even though she’s “average”, while the male lammily has a full on dad bod with love handles. It feels like it reinforces the idea that the default average guy is allowed to be unattractive and not try all that hard but the default average girl still has to work really hard to be considered “normal” or “acceptable”

[@tikifreaky5204]

I have not seen the male doll but average men do not benefit from body positivity like women do. Women are celebrated for being overweight, men are not. But to add to your point, Lammily is conventionally attractive.

[@maddieb.4282]

Nailed it

[@creed8712]

I think the accurate version of both are just two obese people if we take the American average into account

[@sandystudios223]

Yeah and also THICK THIGHS AND BIG BUTT IS ATTRACTIVE IN MANY PEOPLES MINDS ALONG WITH TOMBOYS BRUH

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

I'm a man and I despise how every man in early 2000s movies is obese while the women are all supermodels. Now it's the opposite but eh whatever.

[@cyberkiki]

The fact that Lammily's whole existence (and media coverage) focused ONLY on her BODY says everything lol

[@LeoDBW]

"Look at Lammily, she's the new anti barbie!" "Okay? What does she do?" "She's an anti-Barbie!" "But, does she have different careers? Friends? Family? Pets? Not even cool clothes?" "HAVE WE TOLD YOU HOW SHE'S THE ANTI BARBIE??"

[@anthonysalazar3823]

the sheer irony...

[@fynnwhite]

I hate her slogan. Lammily is worse than barbie to me. No one pressured me to be like Barbie, but society sure pressured me to be like Lammily. Barbie is fun and she is removed enough from reality, but I don't know often I heard that I should just be normal. Lammily, her averageness and her conservative outfits feel so gross to me. Society takes away your fun because it could influence you, but then they give you Lammily actually hoping it would influence you. Why do dolls have to promote anything? Why can't we decide for ourselves? Fortunately I never had a Lammily, my conflict with society's expectations started after I considered myself to be to old for dolls (I started enjoying them again after I became an adult).

[@dragonqueen9452]

Yea when I was a kid me and my friend played that barbie was a fairy princess or the ruler of all dogs or something like that and that isn't very tethered to reality now is it?

[@aff77141]

fr fr, the anti barbie craze seems like the late 2000's version of the anti bratz brigade

[@valzahnzahn]

Well said

[@shinyrayquaza9]

You're never too old for anything

[@ToxicPichu]

As a kid barbie/bratz never made me insecure it was the adults that pointed out the things i should be insecure about and the magazines and shows that glorified being tiny and not having any body fat. I just liked the pretty dolls with the cute clothes

[@juli5945]

Same. I know some people had issues with that but I personally never wanted to be like my dolls, I just had them because I liked them. Besides, the doll market hasn't been exclusively blonde white dolls for a loong time. I feel like people start to blame dolls for society's problems because it's easier that way.

[@ghettogreenbeann]

Barbie and the Bratz dolls have never made me insecure either. They inspired me a lot with the cute outfits. Even to this day as a 25 year old 🙂

[@Hauntaku]

@@juli5945 There's still too many white dolls though. There needs to be an iconic doll line where the main star is a black woman. Not some side character but the main character!

[@animohamo195]

The first time I felt self-conscious about my body was when I was buying new clothes for the new school year before 4th grade and wanted to buy some t-shirt that was more fitted (like a lot of t-shirts made specifically for girls are), because I liked the design on it, and my mom saying something like, "You shouldn't buy that, because you're not one of those girls who has a flat stomach, and wearing tighter clothes will make you look look like you have a big tummy" I was like, oh okay. Guess I'm sucking my stomach in any time I'm not wearing a loose shirt. 😭 By the way, I wasn't even overweight. In fact, I think I was on the lower side of average weight for my height at the time. I just didn't have a 6 pack, which is apparently very unusual for a 9 year old. 💀To be fair, she didn't tell me I was fat. I think she even said, "Even though you're not fat, you'll still look like it with that kind of shirt." and I think she thought she was helping me by warning me that the shirt might look unflattering. It doesn't change how I felt though. I'm sure that if I brought this up to her, she'll probably say, "I don't remember saying that!" or, "What? So I'm not supposed to say anything to you? I was just helping. God, I can't say anything to you, can I?" lol

[@lizabell6782]

I agree that the quote about how he would be intimidated by a real life Barbie is very mask-off. Like, “oh no what if little girls grow up to be intimidating because they stand out too much!” Projecting unhealthy expectations onto children is obviously it’s own conversation but when I wanted a Barbie I wanted her for her clothes or because she was a mermaid, not because she was skinny. If an adult man doesn’t see the appeal in a Barbie with big teal hair, a boom box, and butterfly wings, that’s his fault.

[@Meleedroit]

Mfer was mad he couldn't experience childlike joy

[@goodmorning2386]

Same, like I was personally really big on the fashion of barbie

[@Pinkcrystals91]

Poor Lammily. She wanted to be friends with Barbie and her friends but her father Nickolay Lamm told her no and to be uptight.

[@Naruto_fishcake]

Lammily recently revealed in her Instagram that she's cut ties with her abusive controlling father and is now a fashion influencer she also came out as a lesbian and is dating Barbie's friend Nikki they're living together in Malibu currently.

[@sydneypaez]

I’m convinced lammily secretly hangs out with barbie and Teresa

[@theultraatomicgamer]

​@@Naruto_fishcake Good for her

[@Quackervoltz]

Love the characterization of Nick Lamm as a snooty rich pipesmoking dad

[@DogNamedWatson]

It really feels like when you meet that girl who is being raised fundamentalist and you can tell she *wants* to question it

[@solelysingularsarah]

Lammily made me think more about my body in a negative way more than Barbie ever did. Because they kept focusing on her average measurements and how great they were and those weren't my measurements. Since that was the point of her, it really hammered home how my body should look like Lammily's and it didn't.

[@lovezozo13]

exactly what i was thinking! i worry for the kids whose moms tried to push Lammily on them while they had a body different from Lammily's average measurements. i definitely think it would cause more insecurity than Barbie ever could

[@kirakuroe]

Also true. I was def a heavy child, this type of body would have been and still is totally not within the real of possibility for me. Not to mention all my skinny friends who also did not and do not look like this and had insecurities about not looking as mature or curvy as other girls… so it seems weird to hammer this message of ”average” so much

[@gdragon42069]

as someone who has a somewhat similar body to lammily it also isn’t fun being called “average” and the antithesis to something i aspired to be. it’s a bit backhanded honestly. it’s the equivalent of commenting “you’re so confident 🤗💕” under someone’s selfie. in the end, lammily just hurts all of us

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Do we need to be promoting these measurements when there’s an epidemic of childhood obesity? The average for a woman these days is still unhealthily overweight.

[@mimipeahes5848]

@@nuclearcatbaby1131Thanks for being part of the problem you clueless nitwit. Shame doesn’t make people happier, do something for once.

[@hkrsztt]

One thing that's always bothered me about overly exalting a "good, fit, AVERAGE!" body is that...few bodies are truly "average." I feel like this sends a worse message than simply having a doll who's stylized-Lammily is still pretty thin, all things considered, but she's considered Normal and Correct. Similarly, it puts down people who happen to be naturally very thin/tall/ etc as being cold and alien-like. I really don't think we should be adding these kind of value judgements to broad body types.

[@genevieve7676]

At least Barbie put more effort into "average" by creating tall, curvy, and petite body type dolls.

[@amethyst_cat9532]

Thank you! The perfectly average person is very, VERY unlikely to exist. Pick any average statistic, and half of everyone will be over that, and half of everyone will be under that

[@Mangacide]

When I think of the "anti barbie" I generally think of Monster High. You have to wonder what version of reality they're thinking of when the character they've come up with for Lamily is that she's wealthy enough to be a glob trotting tourist. "Average can be exciting.... when you have money!"

[@gingerrecords5292]

There is a lot that can be said about Lammily, but I'll focus in on the fact that Lamm named her "Lammily" instead of "Nicola" or "Nicki". Or taken a leaf from Ruth Handler and named her after a relative. Or spent 5 minutes on a baby name site to find a name he liked. Basically, call her anything but "Lammily."

[@hollyingraham3980]

How many kids immediately called her "Lame-illy"? You have to look out for that sort of thing when naming children ...

[@jackpijjin4088]

​@@hollyingraham3980I legit thought it was intentionally close to 'lamely'. It's even more pathetically funny knowing it wasn't intentional.

[@sovannah9219]

Or even Amily

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

@@sovannah9219Emily? Lilly?

[@skeltheshapeshifter2697]

I legit thought the whole naming thing was to name her "Lame Emily". Like, wtf if Lammily??

[@kayakat1869]

I think its really crazy just how much sexism oozes out of this campaign. During the entire thing, all he talked about was her body and how accessible it was to men, specifically in his eyes. Also, his comments about how women should be warm and happy were very sus to me. It reminds me of guys saying, "Hey baby, smile more!" Or when they try to hit on us in public and when we don't respond they are like, "Oh you don't want to talk? You don't want to talk to me huh?" It's like there's an expectation that women should be happy and accessible to men at all times.

[@idunnobutyay2520]

Lamm gives me incel vibes:

[@AstraeaAntiope]

This made me think about how the very first Barbie was not smiling, and I love that for her.

[@blakchristianbale]

Not gonna lie a lot of men’s contributions to the 2010s feminist media analysis boom always gave me Madonna/whore complex vibes

[@ifeeldead463]

Lamily gives me those "not like other girls" MCs in wattpad fanfics and teen movies where theyre average and just treat everyone like shit, even the nice guy crushing on her and the writers still expect you to root for her even tho all she does is make fun of other girls (even tho they did nothing to her), roll her eyes at everyone and be rude to her nice parents

[@Naruto_fishcake]

I need a movie about the girly popular head cheerleader girl who's kind and sweet yet is the victim to the awful tomboy/quirky girl who's trying to paint her bad a total role reversal cause I'm sick of films demonizing women who care about their appearance and love pink

[@silvergust]

​@@Naruto_fishcakelegally blonde kinda has a similar story arc to that, except the "tomboyish" girl is revealed to just be projecting insecurities and is redeemed by the end

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

@@Naruto_fishcake Mean Girls kind of does that. Janis Ian the goth is the meanest mean girl of them all. Also I see a lot of this in people that hate Taylor Swift. Like some on the Hot Topic Instagram page were upset that Hot Topic was posting pictures of the Taylor Swift Eras tour and gushing about their love of her Reputation album aesthetic and saying that Taylor Swift merch doesn’t belong at Hot Topic. You know the same store that sells Hello Kitty and Barbie merch.

[@nahicorua]

This comment is very much giving "I am not Starfire" that is quite literally the whole premise of the comic lol

[@GamerKitsune]

​@@nahicoruaYep the only downside it's that despite treating everyone like shit including slutshaming her own mother. She basically gets a pass and gets her good ending despite the fact she treated everyone like shit rhoughoyt the series

[@cremefranglaise]

"If Barbie were a real woman, she'd be intimidating and cold." Personally, that is everything I aspire to. Seriously though, this guy making a doll based on the kind of woman he considers more sexually available to him is all I need to know.

[@okaycola2]

Yep

[@kirakuroe]

When he said that a real woman is warm and friendly I rolled my eyes. I’m naturally reserved and kind of cold, but I also don’t feel like I should change that. Shouldn’t women be allowed to be how they want to be, as long as they don’t scream at shop staff or something? This just feels like sexism with extra steps

[@adettessubs444]

Especially when barbie has always been represented as a sweet, loving woman

[@robindaybird]

Which also ignores that every bit of Barbie related media her personality is always being bubbly and outgoing - Lamb is projecting his weird insecurities.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

The weird thing is that Barbie isn’t intimidating or cold: she’s bubbly, friendly, and good hearted. I think any woman with a lot of confidence and wearing a glamorous outfit would be intimidating and cold to Lamm because they wouldn’t be talking to him.

[@TheCoyoteOutlaw]

Barbie didnt impact me. People did. People compared my body to Barbie, not Barbie herself. People told me I should aspire to look like Barbie, not Mattel. That was when I started comparing myself to the doll.

[@Username0467]

People literally said you should look like barbie or she just happens to have those characteristics?

[@TheCoyoteOutlaw]

@@Username0467 Men would often say something akin to "I want my girl to look like a Barbie". There would also be comments like "Why can't you look more like Barbie?" Or "if you diet and get some work done you could look just like Barbie." It wasn't about what you wanted, you just needed to look like her.

[@SpiralDown2077]

I had an eating disorder, I struggle with body image. It was not my dolls fault. It was other girls treating me mercilessly during important years of my life. Barbie’s gave me an escape. I could pretend I was beautiful, and that my life could change, and it did 💖

[@sagebell1309]

you could “pretend you were beautiful…” i wonder if there were any influences in your life as a child that strongly suggested to you that thinness was more beautiful… (such as an unrealistically thin doll)…

[@WiseKayeoss]

@@sagebell1309 maybe possibly it was other girls treating them mercilessly during important years of their life, idk tho just a random guess ( xD. )

[@sayitlikeyoumeanit]

Sending you hugs ❤ Fighting an ED every day isn’t easy

[@shamra1245]

What kills me is that American Girl has been around since the 80s basing dolls (that are much more expensive than Lamilly!) in reality and history. They're not fantastical in any way, yet they actually made a concerted effort to be engaging and entertaining to children. Lamilly was made for adults, plain and simple.

[@noahbossier1131]

Makes sense

[@cefrinaldi8060]

Exactly my thought, Lammilly felt like made for adult, while barbie ads shown what unique way kids can play with her. For example barbie mermadtopia shown how she can transform from fairy to a mermaid with only one swoop. Barbie dolls were engaging, fun, and creative while lammilly is just "body postivity" and nothing else.

[@ladynikkie]

I remember the American girl Dolls series and yes to this day they are very expensive and as an 80s baby I grew up with Barbie and during that time she when they made her she had a variety of careers that were empowering to young girls.

[@Tellehahsghsbbs]

Was there ever back lash at GI Joe or the boy dolls for being too buff and tall? Like that’s setting unrealistic male body standards no? It’s a doll… we are putting so much on them to fix the world??

[@bigboomer1013]

I remember reading from someone that suposidly the reason men don't feel insecure with those figures or complain about it was because this is how guys actualy see themselves as which only boosts their ego and toxic masculinity. Kinda like how a guy looks in the mirror and think they look great and awsome and probably have he-man for inspiration. All while the girls look at themselves in the mirror and cry about gaining 1 pound and thinking they are fat when they look like a skeleton. At least that's what 2015 Tumblr said. Like I guess it makes sence. There are alot of guys who think they are the alpha male who deserve everything and all and realy want to see themselves as the big strong man. Vut still, kinda dumb?

[@Nocturne22]

Policing male behavior is something society is a lot less interested in doing than policing women's behavior because misogyny.

[@justlola417]

To answer these comments, I think that just goes to show that the problem is not that that the doll inevitably sets a standard that causes issues in girls trying to follow it, but that people in their lives normalize talking down to and judging women who don't conform to impossible real life body and beauty standards, so when they realise they will not have that body it grates on their self esteem. I guess what I'm trying to say is boys are allowed to see themselves in their action figures because they don't compare physical aspects, so they can imagine themselves as brave and strong and cool even if they don't have arms thicker than their heads or an eight pack, while girls are constantly told the most important (or at least noticed and commented on) part or being a woman is their body, so if they compare themselves to their dolls after it they don't see themselves in the ; instead of "someone who wears sparkly clothes", "someone smart and kind and who has many friends and pets and abilities" the doll's aspirational role becomes "someone thin". Only because that's what society makes them focus on first Not that boys don't have body image issues as well, but it's not as prevalent everywhere, and to the same degree, as with girls.

[@IsomerMashups]

@@bigboomer1013 Boys and men have bodily insecurity. We just get shamed for sharing it, so we don't.

[@austinreed7343]

There kinda was; anyone remember Bendos? Bendos were an attempt at a nonviolent alternative that nobody remembers.

[@SomeLikeItBlue]

Lammily just needed a personality - she loved traveling, but like what about traveling did she love? Did she love adventuring? Did she love learning about different cultures? Did she love having fun at tropical beaches? A fun and engaging personality would have been enough to spark the imagination of young girls and that's a huge thing she was missing.

[@amarenai1000]

It would've been a great improvement if, instead of those boring outfits, she came with a camping outfit packed with a tent, backpack and some camping gear like a fireplace or a cooler, or maybe they could've dressed her in traditional garments from different countries and cultures and add a small brochure in the box with her giving more information about said country and culture. Things like these would've been much better to showcase her passion for traveling

[@Hauntaku]

Also, the doll is an adult. Kids can look up to adults, but dolls closer to their own age group inspires them more. I grew up with Bratz and those girls taught me to stand up to myself and look stylish while doing it.

[@jasminelovespink]

@@amarenai1000 Like the Geronimo Stilton books! Oho! ❤

[@kellicos]

She could’ve spoken 10 languages, and come with a recording of her saying travel phrase for the kids to learn.

[@MikaelaCher]

The idea that because a doll doesn't have Barbie's proportions her clothes have to be average is also incredibly dammaging. My mum is short and plus size and finding clothing that isn't ugly as hell for herself is a nightmare because of this same idea. Lammily was born as a body positive doll yet she exhibits the same problems society has.

[@comfyghost]

the description of lammily calling her "the antithesis of the perfect girl" is extremely ironic now, because "broad hips, thick thighs and a round rump" are in many ways the beauty standards of today

[@DivestedChristian]

On social media. The bbl body will go out of style soon

[@_DEVILYCH]

@@DivestedChristianalready did when kardashians got rid of their dump trucks

[@cyrusunderscore7315]

Ding ding ding! The issue with Lamilly "body positivity" is that it still posits a particular body type as correct and beautiful, rather than saying "your body is good because it allows you to experience the world". Women's bodies go in and out of fashion, it's not surprising that a !still thin! doll would eventually become trendy. If dolls impact mental health, the Lamilly doll would be worse because it's similar enough to real women to make little girls think "I have to be exactly like this to be beautiful". With Barbie, I think little girls will see real women and quickly realise that Barbie looks that because she's a doll and that people don't actually have waists like that.

[@Eloraurora]

But her stated (scaled-up) measurements are 32"-31"-33", which is a) actually quite thin, I don't know _where_ he's getting the idea that those are the average 19-year-old's measurements, and b) no shade to the narrow-hipped gals, but that body type is more likely to find clothes that fit in the children's section. Running her through a women's size chart keeps coming back XS-M-XS.

[@eggy3231]

Body type aside, I feel like Lammily is such a closed minded view of how "average women" look, dress, and act. The "soft and warm" comment from Lamm honestly bugs me so much because it's entirely a projection of his own preferences, like hes intimidated by women who have too much personality. Barbie, in all her glamour and unusual outfits, looks like she would be pretty open and accepting of a variety of people. Lammily looks like she's about to bully someone for liking anime or having a nose piercing.

[@hildisvini_art]

You summed it up perfectly 😂yeah she looks mean

[@sandystudios223]

Why can she be nice for once, I want to watch anime in peace@@hildisvini_art

[@SkyeID]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Lamm was an incel.

[@oliviasmock1007]

She looks homophobic💀

[@BackUp-nx2de]

She looks like every Karen I've ever had to work with lol

[@_.-Midnight-._]

If Lamily had more types of dolls, clothing, and accessories, she would have had a chance

[@mai_art1729]

real

[@Nocturne22]

I don't think so. The persistent marketing of "LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER SHE IS THAN THIS OTHER THING" would have sunk it once people realized how weird it was.

[@Hauntaku]

Finally someone who isn't writing an essay

[@Hauntaku]

@@Nocturne22 The sticker thing was a cool idea and they should've marketed more around that

[@_.-Midnight-._]

​@@Nocturne22It seemed like a gimmick to get more sales to me. Why not lead all those 'barbie is harmful' people to a product they could say is much better than Barbie? If Lamily had gotten more popular, they would definitely had to think of something else, as Lamily was made on a gimmick that could only last so long on its own

[@a-supernova-girl]

I'm kind of curious if they asked any of the girls they questioned about body image about what magazines they were exposed to, what commercials and cartoons and TV shows and movies. I'm guessing if they had, they would have found that the media they were consuming was full of thin actresses and models and musicians and such. I feel like this was a correlation not equalling causation thing. Also, it speaks volumes that the creators outed himself after as admiring the bane of all women's existence, Trump.

[@Goleon]

Yeah like I felt more self conscious about my body because of all the thin beautiful models (well not the ones that were so thin you can see her bones), actresses and singers I saw via the various media I got into growing up. Still gets to me a bit today if I’m being honest and I’m almost forty.

[@KingOfGaymes]

Yeah like if you ask most women, it was _real people_ that affected them and gave them body issues. Like models and actresses in media or just their own family and friends criticizing them and their body. It wasn’t dolls or cartoons because kids know those aren’t real.

[@TinyGhosty]

Kids are definitely absorbing negative self image from family, friends, classmates, peers, etc. and all those people are being affected by societal beauty standards. A lot of people can remember a time in their youth that other kids or an adult commented on their body or appearance but probably don't remember a doll making them feel bad because those memories are about playing and sparking imagination. It is not the toys and kids media that is starting this conformity to hating oneself and admiring unrealistic body standards, that comes from a constant barrage of photoshopped and edited media and the people that internalize it and spread it.

[@bethanybrookes8479]

Issues I had about my body growing up came more from my mum commenting negatively about dolls and cartoons and her probably unintentionally nasty "compliments" about my own body ("you make me feel sick" is not a compliment, no matter how well intentioned you are when saying it), than actually from the dolls and cartoons themselves. (I didn't consume much by the way of media with actresses and presenters and roles where you saw actually people.)

[@bethanybrookes8479]

@user-dd5eh5lu3o that's not the body shape, tho. And yes, whilst I agree that there should be more variety in the dolls appearances, more different hair textures, skin tones, hair colours, body shapes, ect, that is also no reason to demonise the ones that are blonde, white and slim. Because, primarily, dolls aimed at little girls are toys. Each kid I'd gonna have their favourite, whether that's Winx Club Belivix Bloom, Disney Fairies Iridessa, or Heck, Lammily. And its gonna be their favourite for whatever reason is personal to them. Maybe it's because the doll looks like them. Maybe its just because they think draculaura was cool when they saw her in the cartoons. Maybe they just enjoy the sheer range of movement of the doll. And telling that kid that their favourite is "wrong" is far more harmful.

[@regularshowman3208]

Lammily is like if you turned one of those Buzzfeed articles on why the Disney Princesses set a bad example for little girls into a doll.

[@aileenbordelon7884]

If I had the Lammily doll as a kid I would’ve casted her as the ugly sister or the annoying neighbor every time I played with Barbies. 💀

[@emmaphilo4049]

I think this line of dolls would have been cool if the outfits were just a little bit nicer and cohesive

[@nbcommiedyke]

yea why are we telling girls that the only way to wear fun clothes is with a super thing body

[@MsSumoon]

I think besides the outfits, we truly don't know who she is, or what she does because she was clearly created by a cis-het man, who wants conformity. It's quite clear, from the way he talks about her and the way he talks about women, that he truly wanted women to be as boring as possible. And Barbie always encourages kids to be unique, to have fun, to embrace the glitter and pink. Not to bash on the modest girls, but her outfits are very conservative in a boring way, no 19-year-old, conservative or not, would wear those. She clearly is the girl whose parents control what she wears, and she can't have her own style.

[@cheyenneg303]

the outfits were so ugly dude i laughed out loud when i saw them

[@Lulaa_the_human]

Absolutely!

[@irenehough4441]

I agree if he would’ve focused on giving her a career and actually dressing her as a 19 year old and given her a personality and showing that you don’t have to look a certain way to make a difference and have a wonderful life. 🌺🌸🌺

[@gardengoddess]

Let's face it - fashion has never been about reality. And even though we know that the models aren't "like us" we love the fantasy.

[@waterdog737]

We here for the glam, and if you get it you it and if you don't you don't.

[@Man-wolf-]

I am someone who does think the modeling indestury needs to include more body types-i remeber my friend who worked as a model got rejected for “being too big” even tho she was very thin-there is alot to be critiqued about the modeling indestury & how it treats its models + demonizes whomever doesnt look like them But with barbie it just doesnt apply-shes a 12 inch doll she isnt going to look exctaly like a real life woman barbie did need to include more vraitey with their dolls but none of them are going to be point fir point as realistic as possible

[@chickensalad3535]

​@@user-dd5eh5lu3oThe thing is that very few people actually want it. That's why the project failed.

[@fashiondolldreamer]

I agree 100% !!!

[@Anhonime]

idk if it applies to real life fashion models, but it definitely does to dolls the talk about how Barbie's neck couldn't support her huge head made me think about these infographics (obviously not serious) how anime characters or My Little Pony ponies have ridiculously huge heads which obviously wouldn't work and even more ridiculously big eyes which pretty much couldn't fit their skulls (or would take the entire space) -- obviously cartoons, just like dolls/toys, are stylized and it's a little silly to compare yourself to them (idk, maybe it affects some kids, but I never seriously thought of it that way and I doubt it's a serious issue, there are plenty other ways people become self-conscious about their bodies, like in my case getting bullied as a child or as an adult, being told I'm unlovable and destined to die alone because of my bad hairline or short stature) I actually made half jokeful remarks about being jealous of the manes of My Little Pony characters: I've always dreamed of long luscious hair, but I've been "blessed" with male pattern balding genetics (which I have to fight with using finasteride, minoxidil, sticking to "safe" hairstyles and in future probably transplants just to preserve any resemblance of hair) and I would love to have one of these insanely thick and shiny horse manes with elaborate hairstyles (even more intense now with 3D-animated generation 5), never bad hair day and beautiful colors without having to potentially ruin my hair even further with bleach, but I understand (and always did, I got into My Little Pony at about 13 and I always loved the hair and it is a huge part of me playing with the dolls/toys) it's a fantasy and not meant to be imitated -- technology is limited and you should strive to be the best version of yourself (as you envision it and within your "needs", of course; the world may hate me for being short, but I like it and in fact I'd prefer to be shorter (it's good for longevity (IGF-1 makes both your bones AND cancer grow) and prevention of spine issues), but I accept the way I am and the realistic ways to make myself into my subjective best version of myself -- short men undergo extremely dangerous and painful surgeries where they literally break their legs to gain a an inch or two of height and that's just sad and it's pure madness; before blaming fashion dolls, the society should take a look on itself and think "maybe it's not the dolls, maybe it's literally just us bullying people for not being a stupid image of perfection we made up"), not become a fantasy creature it's crazy how people will blame fantasy characters and make these elaborate projects to promote body positivity, but won't even acknowledge the endless examples in media, popular culture where they openly poke fun at people for being too short, too fat, too dark skinned, too pale skinned, wearing glasses (it's a common romantic media trope where they "ugly" nerd becomes "pretty" by taking off their glasses), not having the best beard genetics (the "neckbeard" slur -- it should go without saying, but if you want to point out moral deficiencies, don't associate it with unchangeable physical characteristics; I don't wear a beard, but if someone decides to grow out one and they happen to have such genes that make them grow a "neckbeard" or, hell, even they decide to style it that way, it's their choice, you're free not to like it, but beard styles, hairstyles and even more unchangeable physical characteristics don't determine someone's personality/morals -- it's exactly the same as criticizing people for having tattoos/piercings (you don't like) or another common slur "blue-haired (feminist/SJW)") etc. it's insane how our society still very much has a standard of a tall big-pp ripped chad and a blonde big-booba impeccable-smooth-skin-and-hair stacy present in all entertainment and common consciousness (people actually get bullied for that, like beaten-up, denied friendships, denied jobs, mentally tortured every day in school (with teacher approval, because I guess it's your fault for not being a living doll), not just "omg, I can't find a doll that looks exactly like me"), but people overlook it and focus on such bullshit

[@FillaneAmmisto]

My opinion on Lammily back then was that she's cute but boring. She had the potential to wear extravagant outfits to show that looking average doesn't stop you from being glamorous. So much missed potential Edit: the other missed opportunity would try to appeal to pre-teens who look average and want to be more experimental, but lack the confidence or don't feel cute enough. This way could Lammily achieve something that's one of the biggest appeals of barbie: giving girls to opportunity to be something they can't at the moment. Meanwhile Lammily looks more basic than most 'average" girls dress like....at least in the advertisement cause things like the zebra shirt were going in the right direction

[@noahbossier1131]

Makes sense. Promosing

[@silvergust]

Coming back to this video again Lammily is basically a physical plastic embodiment of early-mid 2010s Buzzfeed

[@AshtonGarland]

The main thing that really caused body image issues were those magazines claiming Jennifer Aniston was fat, that Kelly Clarkson was fat, that Jessica Simpson was fat. That messed me up more than any doll ever did or would

[@adamlambboy8332]

Lamily failed because there was already an average doll on the market: American Girl. They showed ordinary is awesome better than Lamily ever could. Their dolls have history, fashion, personalities, and the cutest accessories.

[@VioletNKisHere]

@@user-dd5eh5lu3o no they don’t. Don’t tell me Addy’s face and Sonali’s face are the same.

[@CraftyMagicDollz]

​@@user-dd5eh5lu3o as someone who owns over 300 of these dolls, they most certainly do not all have the same faces!

[@Goleon]

@@user-dd5eh5lu3o - No. they made new face molds for Kaya and Addy to better represent their race. I believe Josefina too.

[@kristinazubic9669]

True, though they represent ~10 year old girls not grown adults.

[@idunnobutyay2520]

Unfortunately American Girl dolls are rather expensive.

[@maggiedean5691]

I'd american girlize her. Have a book. Give her a recognizable region shes from. Maybe she lives on a ranch. You could have horses. Girls like horses. Or you could wild thronsberry her. You can have her travel the world with her mom or dad. Maybe have a camper playset. Have a fun explorers outfit. She could visit the locals while her and her family see the wildlife and talk about conservation and whatnot.Make a point to explore other cultures too and have books and themes on those cultures.

[@jfcfanfic]

This actually plays well with their Ken's idea in animal background.

[@Hauntaku]

Spirit Riding Free

[@yeetghostrat]

Barbie does this. She has a themed doll for everything you can think of. She even has a sister in a wheelchair. The Barbie cartoon series was super progressive, too. As are most of her movies.

[@BunnyBelle3]

I didn’t even know Lammily’s hobby was traveling! I would’ve played that up in the marketing to improve her, play up that she likes exploring and she wants to take you with her (and then have her wear practical clothes for that I guess. Like real world cave spelunking gear or luggage.) Make her a pilot that’s going to all these places

[@willowtree7326]

oh, that's a good idea! I would have loved that as a kid

[@MandVersusNature]

When it was originally created, I don’t think she was called The Traveler until they released the Black doll who was called The Photographer. I could be wrong.

[@CloudsAndDays]

It could emphasize bringing her with you on family trips and the like, something that’s really help a kid grow memories with their doll.

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Like she looks like she pretty much only like goes and hangs out at all the big popular tourist spots or went to Rio and just stayed in the resort all the time Like give me something more exciting, like it’s so full here, let’s go rent some jet skis

[@jessicalanger7599]

i love that idea! her fashions are so dull too, i think playsets and activity themed outfit packs would have been a good idea, like sports, painting, costume parties, even something more farfetched like a secret agent! not all play dolls ought to be skinny or hyperfeminine or totally unrealistic but jeez louise give the kids something lmao

[@HokeTheDog]

If real life is so "cool" why didn't Lamilly's designers show that with interesting clothing and accessories?

[@deltasaves]

If I want to see basic ass outfits, I can walk outside for free and see that.

[@mai_art1729]

​@@deltasavesREAL. The least they could do was give her a fashion pack with a couple of cute casual dresses, some ripped jeans, a crop top, maybe, I don't know, HEELS?? she'd look gorgeous in a simple black dress and hoop earrings! It's too bad she just looks...basic.

[@IsomerMashups]

For real. They could have at least given her a cool career. Instead of "she travels," make her a travel magazine journalist with a flight attendant best friend and diverse acquaintances she stays with everywhere she visits.

[@mai_art1729]

@@IsomerMashups yeah! Some additional dolls based off different countries she visits would be adorable!

[@kenthuang436]

The face of Lammily makes me think of a failed attempt at trying to do drag.

[@marina3934]

My main problem with the actual doll itself, (aside from the disgusting sexism from the creator) is that the focus on her is being average. She’s literally marketed as average. I think she looks very pretty, and if they want to make little girls feel beautiful, they shouldn’t be marketing her as “average and normal” because it’s not going to make girls who look like her or have her measurements feel better about themselves. And her outfits too. Why couldn’t this doll with normal proportions be marketed as beautiful and glamorous? And why did they have to mention Barbie so much? It would be great to see a doll with healthy proportions be shown as “beautiful” and have Barbie-esque outfits without the whole purpose of her being a clap back at Barbie or some “unspecial” girl. In fact, her looks shouldn’t be mentioned at all.

[@ErisIsAnAbomination]

THIS. Is Lamm somehow forgetting that being called “average” or “plain” is usually interpreted as an insult in real life? I highly doubt any little girls out there strive to be “average”, and I doubt even MORE that kids with body insecurities would feel more confident when their only representation is Lammily and her middle-aged mom clothes.

[@demonninetaledfox]

I think the Barbie hate was silly because Barbie isn't the cause of body issues, but a symptom of our culture valuing thinness and mocking anyone who isn't a very specific kind of body type. Can she contribute? Yeah, but there are a lot more, bigger issues at play that would require people, especially parents, evaluate how they are taking care of their child's mental health and showing them a variety of body types without shaming any of them. And also Lammily was just not fun or interesting, because it wasn't a doll made out of love to give children a new role model and expose them to new body types but just "Barbie is bad, this doll is everything Barbie isn't". Lammily doesn't have fun clothes, doesn't do cool things like be the first woman president, doesn't have supernatural powers, she's just "average woman doing average things" and misses the point of why kids like certain toys.

[@clown-cult96]

As a fat woman, I’m being fully serious when I say characters like Shrek, Po or Ursula did more for my body confidence than any of these cloying, pearl clutching “body positivity” campaigns spawned by a mixture of soccer moms and Buzzfeed feminism ever did. The difference is sincerity. Po and Shrek face criticism for their appearances and their weight is part of it, but it’s not their sole issue or the central point of their characters, and their journeys encompass so much more than that. Ursula is designed to be an obvious villain but her dramatic presence and charisma, especially if you’re queer like me, make her into this larger than life figure who is weirdly likeable and aspirational. Hell, cartoons like Steven Universe have given us all array of body types for women but never reduced them to being just that. A lot of body positive campaigns to this day don’t work because they feel so insincere. How else can you describe something that claims to want to include and empower women and then reduces the general umbrella of she/her identifying people to just a combination of numbers on a scale? There’s plenty I can and have criticised barbie for, but providing endless opportunities to **play pretend** , aka the ideal purpose in a kids toy, is not one of them.

[@caitlinsnowfrost8244]

I'm not fat myself but what you said about Ursula makes perfect sense. It also helps that she's allowed to be sexy! She moves in a way that feels so stylish and graceful that you can't help but be mesmerized. She's confident and sassy and theatrical and I'm honestly not surprised that I've even seen people who aren't into bigger women find her appealing and, yes, attractive.

[@darrelsam419]

Speaking of Shrek, Fiona did make me feel better about herself especially in the second movie. She doesn't care about her appearance as an ogre, she is happy to remain in that form and be with the person she loves. I loved that as a kid.

[@noahbossier1131]

Agreed. Owl house and Molly McGee and others are great examples and Steven universe

[@noahbossier1131]

Love your analysis

[@nuggets8229]

Po became a great warrior, Ursula is just cunt I love her, and shrieks whole story is for the ppl who r fat, minority, disabled, etc. for example I’m black and ppl always see us as a threat if we r just shopping, we r more than our appearance and shrek, a children’s movie is soemthing that has impacted my life heavily

[@shironarwhal6145]

Some doll blog on tumblr referred to her as "Lamb leg" and that is what I will forever call Lammiliy. 😂

[@workchannel8053]

Lambchop's less popular cousin

[@9Tailsfan]

Lammily failed because she was boring. Limited release. I never saw her in physical stores. No advertisement either. Only one infomercial and a few news articles . If her makers wanted her to be different from Barbie. Make her and her entire line more dynamic. Give her jobs Barbie NEVER had. Like a Nun, a priestess (like Japanese Miko) a cop ,a lawyer. Give her 18 points of articulation from the beginning. Like give removable her hands that can actually hold stuff or do sign language ! Make half of her family , friends (and enemies) male . Lammily should have had a male counterpart introduced with her from the beginning. I don't care if it's a husband or just a brother. Better merchandising and advertising. Get these dolls into the neighborhood dollar stores. Make all of the base dolls $10. $20 for mid range. $30+ for the higher end. Have a free KZbin show.

[@tessfabled4115]

(Barbie has been a cop before btw! Police Officer Barbie - 1993 and if you're looking for a miko, Licca-chan has been one)

[@jensanruby]

My parents never allowed me to own barbie dolls, watch barbie movies, or play with barbies at other kids houses. I still very much ended up anorexic, so i truly wonder how big of an effect it had.

[@berketexx]

her dedication to never serving is unmatched

[@pajamaken422]

One thing that I remember but has been deleted from KZbin is the promotional video for Lammily's "Period Party" where they sang a song that had the lyrics "Real Girl Period". This received a lot of blowback since it was seen as transphobic and even disrespectful to cis women who couldn't have periods as the lyrics implied that if you had a period you were a real girl. The comments were full of backlash and I think right after that was when the general public completely ignored Lammily.

[@sandystudios223]

This is messed up honestly. I have periods and I’m very offended

[@pajamaken422]

@@sandystudios223 I just checked and the video is actually still up and just buried. All the comments about transphobia have either been removed or buried.

[@SkyeID]

@@pajamaken422 maybe the transphobia comments are removed because the United States is soooooo transphobic right now.

[@SkyeID]

How out of touch is the person/people responsible for that idiotic idea? They probably weren't thinking about trans people...maybe they didn't even know trans people exist.

[@Nocturne22]

The creator dude is a Trump supporter so this checks out

[@alkalinefailure]

Lammily just felt so insulting and self serving for the creator. Children need to be imaginative and creative. The creator never saw a single girl in his life actually play with a doll in his life. My Barbies could do anything and we're constantly playing different roles.

[@rohanlerenard7972]

This is something we learnt in marketing class; if you only follow after another company, if you only copy instead of adding something unique to your product... You're doomed to fail.

[@Hauntaku]

Lammily is the awkward middle evolution like in Pokemon

[@chloekathleen]

I'm INCREDIBLY late to the party.. but I HAD TO run to the comments and say the descriptions of Lammily's additional outfits has me HOWLING.. "outfits appropriate for the funeral of a distant relative", "pentecostal couture" OMG 🤣😆

[@haleighsowards7141]

I watched your video on “Barbiecore” before seeing the movie and when the president said “No one wants an average Barbie” I remembered what you said and was like “You’re totally right!” I love the mom, but when she recommended a plain, normal, boring Barbie I was like “that’s been Barbie for the past ten years.”😐

[@ohdang1083]

Fr cus that part of the movie confused me. She straight up described a Barbie who can be whoever she wants to be and I was like ‘yeah, that’s called Barbie’

[@aguchamp7766]

Looking back, I don't understand where the idea that Barbie and fashion dolls "gave girls body insecurities" comes from? And it really is even more ironic that a brand that sought to tackle that used the most basic white girl as the face of that.

[@spaceface320]

I think the idea came from the places it always had: media consumed, social media (especially once it was well established and very accessible), movies, TV shows, magazines , and even one’s friend/peer group. Especially companies that sell products as “solutions” to common insecurities. I had tons of Barbies and never felt any comparison between myself and the doll, but between myself and other girls/women. At most, I told my mom I wanted to look like her when I grew up, but I was discussing it more in a “grown-up” body kind of way, rather than focusing on “skinny” I’m firmly now in the camp that “Barbie,” as a concept/toy, simply had these ideas put upon her by the people who interact with her as a concept/toy. She’s only indicative of what we choose and make her out to be, especially in marketing and who really profits off of it (Mattel)

[@aguchamp7766]

@@user-dd5eh5lu3o what

[@lylukk]

like i don't think i ever looked at my dolls as a child and thought "this is what i must look like". i never gave a single thought to how their bodies were shaped. they were blank slates for me to play and come up with stories. what did give me body issues was everything else. tv, movies, magazines. the 2000s were a hell of a time to grow up in and it constantly felt like i was told i needed to be skinny, but that never came from my dolls.

[@kupotenshi]

Barbie gave body image issues to the moms, not the kids

[@strawberriefire]

People wanna take the blame off themselves so they put it on an inanimate object. Dissecting culture as a whole involves looking into yourself as well and that's too uncomfortable for most people

[@MsSumoon]

I find quite funny that many adults refuse to embrace IMAGINATION and FUN Do you have to conform to the “average”, to the “boring”? Don't be UNIQUE, be AVERAGE

[@Hauntaku]

Look up David Bazooka and you'll see what the average adult acts like

[@KingOfGaymes]

It always makes me mad when people complain about dolls or Disney princesses being unrealistic because THATS THE POINT AGHHH. What kid wants to play with a doll or watch a cartoon that looks realistic?! NONE. Toys and cartoons are meant to be imaginative, fantasy and an escape from reality! Kids have super active imaginations and want fun things to fuel that imagination. They don’t want a boring recreation of reality that they already experience all the time because THTS NOT FUN. And it’s always WOMEN too! Nobody was complaining about Ken or GI Joe being unrealistic, nobody complains about how “unrealistic” Comic book heroes look or how they could affect young boys. It’s only Women and feminine dolls and characters that get criticized for being “unrealistic” and “bad influences on girls”. And I think that shows A LOT about how society focuses way too much on women’s bodies and looks, usually without asking how women themselves feel.

[@KittiesGalore]

Thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth! 😅 There's unfortunately no shortage of guys like him. I LOVE being a woman, but guys like this clown certainly don't make things easy. Whether it's play as a child, or collecting as an adult, it's supposed to be FUN. How abt don't be such a wet blanket and just live and let live? He's become a one man crusade for personal revenue, evidently 🙄

[@milanzejak]

Exactly. And why would someone in the first place try to force realistic proportions on a toy? Dolls were never in the real (scaled) human proportions. And do teddy bears look like real bears? Is entire world built using stud and tube Lego technology? It's nonsense.

[@Naruto_fishcake]

​@@milanzejakI've never once seen a monkey that actually looks like this "🐒" in real life and no one complains about that😂

[@ismaelrodriguez6420]

One thing that grinds my gears about all these Barbie haters is the fact that they overlook He-Man when it comes to unrealistic body expectations for children. Wouldn't He-Man give boys an unrealistic expectation of their body image too? It's a doll people...a doll!

[@Hauntaku]

He-Man is for boomers though

[@naolucillerandom5280]

​@@Hauntaku Max Steel

[@crystalgemstv4609]

I don’t think men and boys are socialized to care about their body image anywhere near as much as women and girls are, at least in the west. Men aren’t necessarily taught to envy male models or really muscular men the same way women are taught to envy female models. That doesn’t that men and boys can’t be or aren’t insecure about how they look, but from birth products marketed for girls are significantly more centered on appearance, controllable and uncontrollable factors alike, than products marketed for boys. Even Lammily falls into this; All her marketing is solely about her body and her appearance, and she has no personality of her own, no story. Boy’s Action figures bodies are products of their environments; they’re intergalactic superheroes who have to save the world and everyone they love from destruction! _Of course_ they’re buff and strong. Boy’s toys always have stories that hinge on much bigger things than muscles or being thin. It’d almost be stupid to focus on how unrealistic their bodies are when they have super strength, can fly, teleport etc. Boys aren’t taught to question _how_ these heroes got really buff, or if _they_ need to be buff to be valuable, or at least not until later in life.

[@sagebell1309]

i mean… is He-Man anywhere near as culturally relevant as Barbie? i’m sure that conversation would be a hotter topic if it was lol

[@jenswonderfulworld6369]

As someone who had trouble with my body, Barbie HELPED ME. Barbie wore what ever she wanted, followed her passions, confident. She wouldn't care what others said or thought! So I tried to follow that. I liked Barbie growing up, but those moments are when I actually grew to love her.

[@ridley1230]

I never really played with barbie as a kid but I was absolutely obsessed with the Tinkerbell movie. I had all kinds of merchandise from it (figures, books, etc) and would watch the movie on repeat. One day, my dad came downstairs and walked in on the scene where Tink’s iconic short green dress is revealed. He said something along the lines of “you know, girls who wear clothes like that only care about what they look like on the outside and aren’t pretty on the inside.” That sentiment really messed with me. I still enjoyed girly things but never really outwardly like I used to. I now had this idea that if I enjoyed things with girl characters who wore fun outfits and show more skin then what’s deemed “acceptable,” I wouldn’t be taken as seriously. Adults really are obsessed with putting their own biases and insecurities onto girly media…

[@citonita2207]

The Barbie Panic was an annoying few years as an older kid lol, I didn't see myself in the arguments against Barbie either. Both Barbie and Lammily at their worst are just reflections of problems in our culture rather than the source of them. As a kid I was also capable of criticizing Barbie while still enjoying her, another reason to not be impressed by Lamm. It wasn't all or nothing. Kids are capable of nuance.

[@Hauntaku]

My criticism towards Lammily at the time was "Yeah, she's cool BUT she is soooo boring!"

[@LogicalChronicalPhenomenal]

Yeah but Barbie was soo fun! The whole point of dolls is to play pretend. It wasn’t never supposed to be realistic cause that ruins the point. I love the glitter, dresses, makeup and sparkles. I loved the glim and glamour, the different roles she had. You could escape as a little girl and pretend to be in your own world using your imagination.

[@citonita2207]

@@LogicalChronicalPhenomenal Yes! That's my fav point from the video, that Barbie is much more than her body. She had me pretending I could snowboard, lol. As a kid I felt so disquieted to see adults reduce something I loved down to body, as if that's all it meant to me

[@llamaniaman4002]

@@LogicalChronicalPhenomenal All I cared about were the barbie sitcom roleplays I'd do with my cousins as a kid

[@Nocturne22]

The "I'm not like the other girls" mindset really peaked in 2010's. Especially on tumblr you had that bizarre brand of feminism that hinged on going after other women.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Except they’re just like the other girls. Every bit as mean as the Plastics.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

This so much. This type of “feminism” is part of why I got suckered into the Anti-SJW movement as a teenager: the only feminists I saw were the ones constantly shaming other women for being themselves so I thought that was all feminism was. Thankfully I eventually grew up and got out.

[@NataliasClips]

I'm not like other girls, I have S N A K E A R M S I don't know why my mind immediately went to this after I read this comment

[@LeoDBW]

Sometime I see on tumblr, reedit or pinterest, artists that takes those old "me vs other girls" art and draw a new panel where they change the framing and makes the girls friends or girlfriends. It's so wholesome and it feels like society healing

[@Quackervoltz]

​@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527No but I get that. Like fuck same

[@amethystimagination3332]

I remember when people were talking about Lamilly and the whole thing just felt cynical and reeked of internalized misogyny to me. Lamilly isn’t really for kids, she’s for parents who wanna pat themselves on the back for being better than other parents. Something that makes other fashion dolls appealing is what they are, they’re characters with traits to relate to, the sporty one, the animal lover, the artist that kind of thing. Lamilly is only defined by what she’s not, and none of it is flattering. She’s not supposed to be pretty and there was barely any attempt to give her a character outside her body and frumpy clothes. Real women have qualities that make them stand out from each other, we’re multifaceted individuals, but Lamilly is personality-less. Intentional or not, the implication is that a normal woman has nothing special about her. And based on the comments by Lam used in the video, what women and little girls like didn’t really cross his mind. The classic “stop wearing makeup, men don’t like it” mentality. It’s still the male gaze even if the gaze is on a woman wearing sensible tennis shoes and a messy bun.

[@tyraoqvist350]

I think something that has made sure Barbie as an idea stuck with us is her origins. Say what you want about Mattel and their marketing strategies and money focused inovations (capitalism y'know? it is what it is) but the only reason she exists is because a mother wanted to give her child a toy option that wasn't "mother-practice". She's based on pinupdolls, probably because it was the least expensive way to pitch her, which is where she gets her looks from. But that has never been what barbie is about. She was just a small woman that children could project their imagination onto in a way that you just Can't while playing with babydolls. You could dress her up, turn her into whatever you could imagine her to be. She was literally revolutionary for the landscape of "girls toys". Lammily was made by a grown man who saw other people critisize a very specific part of the barbiedoll and saw that he could profit from it. Everything that Lammily markets herself at outside of just "not being barbie" are things that barbie has been doing for literal decades. Girls have already been using Barbies to play out everyday scenarios, without fixating on her body. But she could also be a mermaid, a fairy, an endless amount of careres (not to mention dictator, murderer, criminal and all the other deranged things we played around with as kids). If we wanted barbie to have marks, we gave them too her ourselves. We cut her hair, we imagined her face as all forms of human expression and more despite her plastic smile. We dressed her up in yogapants, t-shirts, swimsuits, princessgowns, you name it! Barbie is special because she can be everything, be it extrordinary, average or something entierly different. Lammily can only be average, that's why she never had a shot.

[@babblgamgummi6029]

Those stickers could've been such a fun way to set her apart. Like, leave out the cellulite, no kid even knows what cellulite is, but the freckles and tattoos and maybe even some pimples? Kids would've loved that!

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Like if I had gotten a Lamilly when I was a kid that probably would have been how I learned what cellulite even is

[@CanonessEllinor]

The irony that today Barbie is probably the most realistically proportioned fashion doll on the market.

[@DopamineDecor]

😂😂😂

[@XtinaSkelitaa]

Truuue but I do love my big headed babies (rh/ lol)

[@TinyGhosty]

Draculaura is definitely the closest to my body type but the head size is definitely the unrealistic part. I appreciate Draculaura a lot because she has a pear shaped body like me🍐🦇

[@TinyGhosty]

@@XtinaSkelitaa LOL imagine if people were proportioned like RH/SH dolls! That would be hilarious and unsettling. Adorable on the doll babies though💜

[@Nocturne22]

Nobody went after Betty Spaghetty for unrealistic body proportions!

[@redvelvetunderground]

honestly incredible that a grown man could project all of his psychosexual insecurities onto a doll and be heralded for it with a fully funded kickstarter to create his perfect woman fantasy doll he named after himself, the bar really is underground for men

[@Naruto_fishcake]

Many men are intimated by independent women who are "too bold" and have "too much personality" aka women making their own money with good taste in clothes and won't put up with their misogynistic bullshit like a submissive trained dog

[@LadyLeviathan]

The bar is in hell, and he's limbo dancing with the devil

[@ImGonnaBeAStarr11]

@@LadyLeviathanthen he cheats and digs into the floor to pop out on the other side of the limbo bar

[@kp2223]

💯

[@Charlie-pu9bx]

Seriously!! He gives me such weird vibes.

[@Suzziixoxo]

If i were remaking Lammily, i'd change many things, 1; She wouldn't be marketed as the Anti-Barbie, it'd be much better to market her as 'Your Big Sister' or 'Your Friend Lammily' 2; Her clothing would actually be fashionable, her style could be Y2k themed or something similar, 3; Give her hobbies, she could be a traveler, but she could also have 2 cats, do art, customize dolls etc. 4; Let the girl wear makeup, give her some glittery eyeshadow or lip gloss, to kids, the more makeup the cooler. 5; Just give her bendable knees and elbows. thats about it

[@AveryAnarchy]

the auto captions, roasting Lammily: Lamely

[@Happyland1971]

Lammily is the almond mom of the fashion doll world

[@guardianofcreativity4860]

I was in high school at that time and my peers insulted Barbie all the time. I ended up writing a twelve page paper and gave a whole presentation as to why Barbie is actually a good role model and always has been. About how a lot of the backlash is rooted in misogyny and aimed at her because she was easy to attack. There’s always going to be issues with toys and brands and icons, but Barbie has always been one of the most progressive when it comes to representation and expressions of identity and empowerment. Showing ethnic and racial diversity (sometimes better than others), more recently showing more diverse body types, making dolls with prosthetics and mobility aids. At the time I had a blonde pixie cut and was in the closet as a transmasc person, so seeing them come out with a doll that looked like me was a big deal to me. In the environment I was in, I was alienated for my appearance so having a doll to point to and go “Look. Is that feminine enough for you? Yeah?” was hilariously effective in getting people off my back and to stop judging me for looking so masculine. She provided a little bit of shelter in a very conservative environment that wanted me to fit into their ideals. People just see hyper femininity, disregard it as vain, and belittle those aspects of femininity. Like sorry, but the whole thing about feminism is it’s intersectional, it’s for everyone. It includes the hyper feminine fairytale princess along with everyone else. Barbie has always been about dreaming about who you can be. Who you want to be. And being that best version of yourself FOR yourself AND your community. These people only look skin deep and it shows in their bullshit criticism instead of looking inward at their own biases and the systems at large that do real harm. I’m just saying, there’s a lot of things that have made me feel insecure and body conscious of the years, but Barbie never made it onto that list.

[@finnelyseabrook]

Lammily's fashion was so boring, I remember as a kid the number one reason I asked for dolls was because of the outfits. Like the way I dressed as a kid (and now, even!) was/is way more interesting than any of her outfits. There's just a lack of creativity in her whole schtick. Even if you wanted to go against the hyper-feminine Barbie, there are ways to do that that are creative and interesting. Ofc I think Lammily was held back by the 'average' label, she was treated like a stock photo model rather than anything more compelling (even using 'average', there are things you could do with that- sports, jobs, hobbies, etc).

[@adolltcollector3449]

What fashion taste can you expect from a man who likes Donald trump ?😂 Mattel and MGA are what they are because of gay men and powerful women 😘

[@clownytherat5098]

Barbie went on hundreds of adventures. she could be a astronaut, a doctor, a princess, a pop star, a spy, a mermaid, a fairy, and pretty much anything you could think of. Lammily looks like the most exciting adventure she could go on would be going to target to buy a pair of crocs.

[@morganorwhatever]

Dolls don’t have to be realistic to represent real bodies. We deserve plus-sized dolls in cartoonish styles like Monster High and Rainbow High. Kids can tell stylization apart from reality, otherwise they would think actual ponies have cutie marks and big anime eyes

[@Naruto_fishcake]

Just another way to project problems onto dolls instead of their bullying crisis from awful peers in their schools which they do 0 about

[@noahbossier1131]

Makes sense

[@GloomyFish]

I'm not completely against the idea of an "average" fashion doll (i mean, Barbie herself has been like thay recently) but whay i really dont like about Lammily is the fact that she was made out of spite. Not for body-positivity or to inspire kids (which again, Barbie herself does that just fine). She's just there to spite Barbie and that's it.

[@noahbossier1131]

Makes sense.