Darth Vader & Lord Starkiller Breathing Comparison

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[@Secretingredientiscrime]

Darth vader sounds like he struggles to breathe in. Starkiller sounds like he struggles to breathe out.

[@nickthepick8043]

Nice catch! What wonderful, reverse-symmetry that is.

[@lorddio2737]

Just realized that. And frankly I can't tell which is worse.

[@shadowfyed7117]

@@lorddio2737 id personally go with struggling to breath in would be worse

[@zedocter9366]

The reason it seems like he had trouble breathing out is because the suit is forcing air into his lungs

[@treblazer]

i did notice how they’re breathing sounded basically reversed but yes that does make sense

[@thelavenderhatter5924]

I know that Starkiller's breathing is basically Vader's breathing reversed..but in Galen's breathing there's also that "flem" sound and it gives off predator vibes

[@procyon6370]

it's spelled phlegm. I don't know why

[@thelavenderhatter5924]

@@procyon6370 haha the “phlegm” sound then😂. I don’t think it’s intentional but it definitely gives off that feeling in my opinion.

[@nickthepick8043]

Dude, I can imagine a nice showdown between the Yautjita(Predator species) & Starkiller here. He would've been such a target for them.

[@thelavenderhatter5924]

@@nickthepick8043 I mean if the ET species technically is in Star Wars I wouldn’t be surprised if the predators have some weird crossover😂

[@nickthepick8043]

@@thelavenderhatter5924 Ha that'd be hilarious! The funny thing is, the ET Species also exists in the War of the Worlds adaptation film that Spielberg also directed! True story.

[@user-yf4gx9lw6c]

Vader’s voice sounds imposing and his breathing sounds almost lonely and isolated Star Killer just sounds tortured

[@nickthepick8043]

Kinda reflects both characters, doesn't it?

[@halilsonkur3441]

Star killer is forced to breath His armour is mounted on his body His armour is basically an iron lung

[@texugo_branco]

@@halilsonkur3441 Same is for darth vader

[@halilsonkur3441]

@@texugo_branco darth vader can remove his mask And can stop breathing if he wants to Starkillers armour is mounted on his body

[@bankai7087]

@@halilsonkur3441 starkiller slashed mask in sith stalker mission on jedi temple in TFU 1

[@synth3441]

If you unlock starkillers uniform in the game it says the armor is actually nailed into the person wearing it.

[@nickthepick8043]

Yeah, it's pretty haunting stuff.

[@winter_brick_studios2831]

Painfully grafted, but yes

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

I didn’t play the games. How the heck did starkiller even end up like that?

[@Escalad5]

@@anotherrandomguy8871 in the darkside ending after he killed Vader he tried to kill palps and he got crushed by his own ship

[@nickthepick8043]

@@anotherrandomguy8871 It's the Dark Side ending for the game. The DLC went with that alternate ending as the basis for it's DLC levels, where you get to play as a Darkside Starkiller.

[@Alex_FRD]

Starkiller is like a violent, unhinged Vader. He's the kind of guy who'd choke you for scratching your nose in the wrong direction.

[@nickthepick8043]

Or even just looking at him funny.

[@DaBobbyShurmda]

@@nickthepick8043 Vader would definitely kill you for that

[@Opana223]

Sounds dumb af

[@Kain1805]

I mean Vader himself is already violent and unhinged, but yeah

[@kagenaxsom4205]

like kylo ren but actually scary

[@net343]

Starkiller’s ventilation system is supposed to artificially induce respiration by compressing and decompressing his rib cage because of his crushed lungs as opposed to Vader’s air filtration system and oxigenator for his burned alveoli but still functional lungs

[@greece_rome]

Ouch. Clearly starkiller’s is more painful…

[@ErickGameplaysN64]

Geez

[@MrGrim-ib4ix]

I hate when I burn my ravioli

[@net343]

@@MrGrim-ib4ix lol

[@trentnorth6332]

Who says you need to study books to be in med school. movies and video games are way to go🤣

[@faded9581]

Vader sounds like automated, but consistent breathing. Starkiller sounds like perpetual wheezing, like his lungs weren't damanged enough to justify fully automating, so the suit aids with inhaling, but does nothing for the exhale, which is why it's so hard for him.

[@nickthepick8043]

Exactly. Vader doesn't even have lungs anymore. He has an automated system like you said. It constantly pumps oxygen into his bloodstream. Starkiller's lungs are likely still intact, but he can control his breathing despite the agony. It can serve as a cruel irony on Palpatine's part, but it could also keep Starkiller's connection to the Dark Side active.

[@grassdefender916]

@@nickthepick8043 he still had lungs they were just scorched from volcanic heat, he had an iron lung forcing him to breathe still

[@Skeleton_With_VR]

Earth Vader’s lungs where burned to being beyond repair, Star killer does not have any lungs. They where crushed.

[@marcel19739]

Starkiller’s sounds painful

[@nickthepick8043]

It's probably because it is meant to be.

[@Delta-ass]

@@nickthepick8043 most of his body is gone so it’s a surprise he can breath at all

[@nickthepick8043]

@@Delta-ass I am inclined to agree. The fact that he is still somewhat sane is a feat and a half.

[@Delta-ass]

@@nickthepick8043 your right

[@KronoriumKid2210]

@@Delta-ass it’s the *L U M B A G O* that’s causing his painful breathing

[@artorias6321]

I love the contrast! Vader probably has more support in his suit since it was made with high grade medical treatment. Starkiller on the other hand had his suit made in the last minute before his body was completely damaged. Both of them are constantly in pain the entire time in their suits. However, I think Starkiller has it worse given his severe dyspnea most likely caused from his ship crushing his lungs. Sure, Vader's body was burnt completely... but Starkiller had his body literal crushed to a crisp by his own ship's exhaust port. we can assume this caused his skin to bleach and burn like Vader's into a pale white and completely rip off his arms. Though unlike Vader, his organs from the inside probably was either completely destroyed or bruised. dude survived something way more lethal than Vader ever did. I think its also fair to assume (like Vader) Starkiller's abilities hurt himself. when Starkiller uses force lightning, he screams in anger and pain when he uses said ability. This is probably partly due to his robotic prosthesis running though his arms along with god knows how many artificial organs placed into him.

[@nickthepick8043]

You have no idea how much I appreciated your well-written response. Thank you. I concur with all your statements. The thing is, Vader himself had vat-grown organs replacing his originals, or they were supplemented with mechanical implants. Vader's reconstruction was rushed as well, however. And I have a theory that Starkiller's reconstruction was not. In my opinion, this is worse because his new body was designed to cause him pain like you said. Which by the way, I'm glad you pointed out. After all, the more pain you're in, the more angry you get, and that makes it easier to draw upon the Dark Side of the Force. That's what makes it terrifying. We all know how horrible it was to be in Vader's lifesupport suit, but we still don't have a clue about Starkiller's, and most likely never will. The mystery is way more intriguing than the explanation, my friend!

[@artorias6321]

​@@nickthepick8043 I actually, I looked it up! You're right! Starkiller's body was reconstructed with a lot of patience and time. Parts of his body was built with spare parts from Vader's robotic limbs. Most, if not all of Starkiller's bones were broken as well, making most of his skeleton made from some of Vader's prosthesis materials. The Emperor also had Starkiller's his hands removed and replaced with a robotic ones. its spooky... to some degree, vader still haunts him on the inside! Starkiller's lifesupport was also explained in the wiki and concept art details. His lungs were ruptured but not replaced... The Emperor had them keep the damaged ones in his chest to keep him angry. His voice was also partially spoken from his mask too since his jaw was removed completely... under the mask... Starkiller looks really disgusting. all that was left of him was his upper torso, arms, and parts of his head.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@artorias6321 That's right! Kinda like Darth Malak as well. I find it interesting that he could still project Force Lightning, However. Since it requires living tissue to cast it. Vader couldn't do it because not only does he have cybernetic arms, but the Lightning would backfire and affect his lifesupport systems. And to think, it was only my theory that Starkiller's reconstruction wasn't like Vader's. Good on you for doing research! But geez, ruptured Lungs? Vader didn't even HAVE lungs after Mustafar. Respirators pumped oxygen into his bloddstream constantly, and he couldn't control it. Starkiller CAN control his breath, but it's painful each time.

[@artorias6321]

@@nickthepick8043 you know, this is just speculation but I wouldn't be surprised that the emperor kept his ruptured lungs to keep Starkiller at bay as well. Starkiller relies on immense speed and strength and breathing helped starkiller do so. you can actually hear him take deep breaths in each jump and dash. also, I think Starkiller used all of his arms to cast force lightning half of the time. while it isn't clear, most of the promotional trailers show Starkiller with force lighting all the way up to his shoulders.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@artorias6321 That's true! He can project it with one hand in short bursts, but he mostly uses both hands to cast the ability. I can also imagine that his ruptured lungs also would have that effect as well, even though Starkiller could just use the Force to reduce swelling or pain in that region in his body. Force-based augmentation is the standard practice for all Jedi initiates. And after reading Starkiller's bio, he excels at this, much like Darth Maul did before him. But it's also worth mentioning that the novelization implies that after Vader reconstructed him aboard the Empirical, Starkiller believed he had genetic and cybernetic augmentations already before Palpatine crippled him. Bottomline is he wasn't "regular" anymore. In the novel, when Vader threw that stone table at his chest, it didn't kill him. Hell, it probably just barely broke his ribs.

[@Homnicidal_doktor]

Vader sounds like he's still in control even when he's yelling out while in combat in the last comparison Starkiller sounds like he's screaming in wild agony, I assume from the other noises in the clip he's using the force.

[@nickthepick8043]

That is indeed the way I see it. Vader learned to work with and take advantage of his cybernetics, where Starkiller is still struggling with the new circumstances with which he lives in. I apologize for the quality of Starkiller's voice clips when using the Force. I didn't think to mute the sound effects when I recorded the gameplay, so instead I got it from another video source on KZbin.

[@oneblacksun]

I remember something about Vader having to use a voice synthesis thingamabob. It's the reason why he sounds so calm, even if he's extremely mad or sad.

[@LegoCaptainRex]

Because Starkiller is, the suit is literally nailed and drilled into the body, unlike Vader, Starkiller's entire suit is his permanent body, a prison

[@Nothing-rg8ev]

It’s incredible how both Vader and Starkiller both got heavily damaged but became so much more powerful after their reconstruction

[@nickthepick8043]

I know, right? For Vader, he's an immovable object, but Starkiller is literally an unstoppable force.

[@MarcusFrederiksen]

Vader's suit held him back a lot.

[@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus]

@@MarcusFrederiksen in legends

[@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus]

@@MarcusFrederiksen In Canon he overcame it's weaknesses and even survived Sidious's forc lightning shot directly at his face

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus yeah darth Vader’s “his suit weakens him” shit was incredibly stupid. It’s such a really unnecessary addition to the character and it doesn’t match whatsoever to the movies

[@billybletsos4758]

Starkiller is a lot scarier with breathing

[@nickthepick8043]

Indeed he is.

[@billybletsos4758]

Sounds lke a horror version of Vader's.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@billybletsos4758 I believe that's the idea! Keep in mind, Vader's suit was Hell to be living in. Starkiller's is way worse so then he could more easily draw upon the Dark Side of the Force.

[@timothyhoenikker9641]

we live in a society where people are afraid of breathing

[@nickthepick8043]

@@timothyhoenikker9641 That is sadly true. Every day when I wear my mask at work, I feel like I'm getting closer to what Vader might be feeling.

[@markveres7369]

master and apprentice in masks.

[@nickthepick8043]

Makes ya wonder what could have been if the two were forced to work together, huh?

[@ethanpease5936]

Except Starkiller is loads more terrifying.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@ethanpease5936 Probably because it's painful to take in each breathe, therefor fueling his wrath.

[@ethanpease5936]

@@nickthepick8043 right.

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@ethanpease5936 starkiller is not more terrifying, he’s far more dangerous but darth Vader is more terrifying bc he can legitimately chase you forever thanks to the empire

[@venomorious3361]

I love the differences and similarities between the two. Vader always seems like an immovable object, how he slowly walks anywhere he needs to go, like a horror villian, Starkiller seems more like a wraith, he conjures fear not through his unmoveability, but from the fact you can't nail him down. By the time you've found where he is, he's already stabbed you through the back with his lightsaber

[@harbour2118]

So in short, vader is the immovable object, and starkiller is the unstoppable force, and it turns out, the unstoppable force wins out

[@realwaifus5514]

I love how both of these manage to be painful in different ways that fit the characters. Vader sounds like he’s constantly heaving for air, like he can never be at peace because the simple function of being a living breathing person carries so much more weight to him reflecting how the same spark of good inside him that Luke brings out is likely full of regret and shame, that this existence filled with constant rage and pain is the only way he can bring himself to live anymore. His breathing is steady but robotic, showing that it’s the soul inside the man that died when he was put in the suit. Starkiller is ragged and overtly painful, he isn’t in agony because he’s struggling for air it’s because he’s broken beyond the point of fixing. Vader’s breath is steady and heavy like an anchor keeping him firmly in the realm of the living but Starkiller sounds like he’s one touch away from falling apart. He already proved himself an untrustworthy and feral animal and now his body is being pupated around for what little use it has left, left to stew in endless agony both for punishment and because it’s the only thing strong enough to keep this broken animal alive.

[@wastedshin]

Thanks for the character synopsis

[@CarnisRex]

Well said.

[@ravonbox6050]

That "you can never escape me" line from the temple mission still gives me mega chills every time.

[@nickthepick8043]

Because it's pretty much a microcosm of the Dark Sided itself. It's everywhere, and it slowly makes you think of it as a friend. That there are "no sides". Only "viewpoints". Like a drug addiction, you don't realize you've been suckered until it's too late.

[@ravonbox6050]

@@nickthepick8043well said. I really can't get over how phenomenal that game was.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@ravonbox6050 Phenomenal is the operative word. That game's sandbox was the perfect way to portray the Force without entirely tarnishing it in the films. Starkliller is mostly facing against grunts, who give a fair share of challenge when the units are mixed. Plus, he's just using his force abilities more proactively. The reason why most force users use restraint, like the bosses in this game, is so they can maximize their combative longevity without burning themselves out. Basically, firepower over condensed power.

[@kristopherhayes486]

There's something I don't fully comprehend about star killer.... In the dark ending/DLC he has robotic augmentation that look like claws. I am not completely sure if they're apart of his body but wouldn't it be impractical? Also, if they are a part of his body, wouldn't force lightning backfire similar to vader? Also for his breathing apparatus, it seems less human and more machine. Vader's voice was more distinct than starkiller's voice. If I had to give an analogy, it almost sounds like the robotic voice you'd hear after a smoker had surgery on his vocal cords but much more painful to the ears. Which would make sense sense given he's on the dark side.

[@nickthepick8043]

You're right on many accounts. Vader's respirator works on its own. He can't slow it down or stop it as much. It essentially means he has no control over his breathing. Hell, he doesn't even have Lungs anymore. Cybernetics pump oxygen into his bloodstream constantly. Starkiller's on the other hand? If I were a gambling man, I'd wager that it's because he still has lungs, but supported with crude cybernetics. The key difference is that he can control his breathing, which makes the grating pain worse for him. A cruel irony of sorts, but it could also boost his connection to the Dark Side. As for the arm thing, I think I remember bringing that up in my Force Unleashed Videos. I think there's enough flesh on there that would allow for some sort of Force Lightning Discharge. And as for it backfiring, I'd say a lot of time has passed since Vader's augmentation, and arguably Grevious had better Cybernetics than Vader did. So for all we know Palpatine gave Starkiller slightly less restricting ones so as to not hinder his capabilities, but leave just enough restriction so as to not keep him out of line.

[@Santabandicoot]

Unlike Vader, who's hands were completely robotic, Lord Starkiller's left hand is completely organic while his right hand still has enough flesh remaining to allow him to use force lightning. The claws are attached to the hands via rings around each finger I believe so they probably don't hinder his force lightning potential, or at worst they required practice in order to overcome any setbacks they presented.

[@elrostar-minyatur9115]

As for claws I think the main problem is to maintain the grip on his sword. The longer nails are, the less dexterous and efficient with tools and weapons their bearer is. Sure, with enough skill and time one will learn how to use his own hands and claws without penalties, but still...

[@Santabandicoot]

@@elrostar-minyatur9115 If I remember right, the wiki does mention that the claws likely took at least some practice to get used to.

[@Assassino275]

On the contrary the Metal Claws actually amplify Starkiller's lighting making it more powerful

[@RobsonA2001]

For any of those wondering about the difference, this is what I gathered. Vader’s lungs were very damaged after his defeat to Kenobi on Mustafar. While he could breathe, it was not sufficient enough to sustain life without calling upon The Force to do so. The respirator Palpatine gave him was made to HELP him breathe. Lord Starkiller on the other hand had his entire body crushed by The Rouge Shadow in the Dark Side ending to TFU1. His reparation FORCE him to breathe because without it, he simply cannot

[@oddjob2043]

Darth vader's breathing is literally the most iconic sound in movie history and there's about a million reasons why but starkiller's breathing is so cool. Darth Vader's is incredibly intimidating while starkiller's is terrifying with it sounding almost inhuman

[@unorthodoxhavi]

Let’s be honest, if we heard either of these two breathe near us in a dark ass room, we’d be pissing our pants and crying for mommy. Also Starkiller sounds like fucking demon when he screams, makes us even more terrified.

[@nickthepick8043]

Pain is a great motivator to boost your connection to the Dark Side. In all honesty, his screams are highly unsettling.

[@hoshiryu]

nah you see, with Vader, you will be terrified but accept your Fate with Starkiller, you will SHIT your pants and hope to escape

[@CarnisRex]

​@@hoshiryuYou'd shit your soul, and your insides out.

[@CoolSmoovie]

StarKiller’s Evil Hoth design is one of the best and most badass Star Wars designs I have ever seen

[@nickthepick8043]

I agree. Very reminiscent of Vader.

[@goroakechi6126]

I like how the sound effects improved over time. With Vader, you can very much tell it’s basically the VA breathing with a scuba mask, but it’s so iconic you don’t really care. Starkiller sounds a lot more synthesized, but still in a very Star Wars way.

[@averkpasa]

Starkiller sounds way more scary

[@nickthepick8043]

Right? Absolutely horrific.

[@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385]

Not really i would be more horrified to hear Vader behind me

[@folo7595]

Fact imagine having someone like him in you back or some shit doing those exact same sound, this is just horrific as hell bruh, definitely more scary than Vader

[@alexr6913]

Scary? I laughed so hard when I've heard him

[@CarnisRex]

​@@alexr6913"I sense your fear" - Darth Maul.

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

Starkillers breathing sounds like his lungs and his throat are made out of Iron.

[@nickthepick8043]

Probably because they partially are. Hell, Vader himself doesn't even HAVE lungs anymore.

[@donmatute96]

I think his voiced changed, Just post end where he gets the stalker armor, He sounds like this, Damaged and in pain, Whoever in the dlc’s (Not the vision, The vision shows him as the stalkee) We know that he had augmentations to his armor (To resemble more the look and functionality of Vader’s armor) And when you hear the breathing/hit sounds he doesnt sound like in this video, He sounds more like vader (It is a mix between basic stalker/vision sound and Vader sound, It would be good if you also added those sounds, You can hear them when you use the Dark Lord skin on main story, Or in hoth

[@nickthepick8043]

That is true! I noticed that as well.

[@hoshiryu]

you mean the Hoth Armor?

[@zurss1056]

Starkiller sounds like that one extra mutated and robotic zombie during an apocalypse. Scary 😬😬

[@nickthepick8043]

Oof! The Dark Side creates monsters out of people, for sure.

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

Vader has the breathing you don’t want to hear in the distance. Starkiller has breathing you won’t hear again.

[@0bsidianPrime]

Starkiller's voice makes me think that Vader went to the Nier: Automata world, and the machines had to repair his respirator.

[@nickthepick8043]

That sounds morbidly disturbing. I'll look into what kind of planet Nier actually is.

[@a.b.s.anonymousbastardofso9459]

@@nickthepick8043 It's not a planet, but rather another video game franchise. It's really great once you get passed the generic JRPG tropes.

[@Geoemophobic]

Imagine forgetting that the volume is all the way up and watching this at 3am on TV or computer

[@nickthepick8043]

Oof. Was there anyone in your home that reacted to that if I can ask?

[@NiThZo]

Darth Vader sounds like a man in a machine. Starkiller sound like a wild animal in a machine.

[@nickthepick8043]

And you know what they say, never prod an animal in a cage.

[@CarnisRex]

​@@nickthepick8043Sideous: Yes, I think I will.

[@thendnjedi1388]

I doubt we’ll see something this dark in star wars again, unless jon has some plans but it’s just scary to hear starkiller breathe and if you get to unlock the cyborg skin, you can just see how much of Galen is gone and all is left is just machine and skin

[@nickthepick8043]

There's an interesting interaction in the Tatooine DLC where Starkiller/Galen encounters Proxy in Jabba's garbage cellar. It's unknown how he ended up there, but Proxy has just enough functionality left to assist his master/friend on one last occasion. Galen's responses invokes a sense of sadness that makes you wonder what could have been. Both of them are broken here. It's a rare moment of vulnerability from a Sith Lord.

[@LordSleven]

Technically the cyborg armor is not the same as his stalker armor as its description says it has even more extreme augmentations so likely he has a lot more of himself left than you think... Even so his lungs still sound completely messed up here so you're probably right if they can afford it disney likely won't touch anything like this with a 10ft pole lol Edit: I forgot his armor is in andor so who knows

[@slntvrs5]

My cat instantly got up and left the room after one Starkiller breathe so I guess he wins in my book for best worst respiratory system

[@nickthepick8043]

I hope your kitty is okay.

[@emqueue1h]

i imagine them standing together silently and theyre just breathing menacingly

[@nickthepick8043]

Yeah, just before a showdown I can imagine. Like, they're playing it out in their head before the fight begins.

[@Bob-zu4ed]

Darth Vader is the embodiment of fear Darth Starkiller is the embodiment of terror

[@TheFishDoctor_]

I personally think Starkiller's breathing sounds a lot cooler and more predatorial, especially the rattly, robotic sound it has to it

[@eternalvibe9083]

The reason Starkiller's breathing is so erratic is because he has lost his lungs, and the suit is keeping him alive by forcing him to breath, whereas Vader is still breathing, but with help from a respirator.

[@tysonmoody3314]

Oh my God Starkiller is just fucking suffering

[@gamebearing5764]

Vader is breathing normally. But I think starkillers breathing is forced. That flem noise makes me think of individual cells opening to let air in and out. And these cells are intentionally painful just by how uneven is breathing is.

[@matolisk4011]

what does the emperor have with heavy breathing apprentices?

[@nickthepick8043]

I like to imagine he just finds their suffering amusing.

[@allforone2544]

@@nickthepick8043 he does

[@nicodemustomeo9156]

@@nickthepick8043 That and he wants to instill fear among others.

[@CalIunn]

It's pretty drippy

[@gohandeoculos184]

@@CalIunn And pretty painful

[@hallowedgrimm5954]

Darth vader was the scariest mofo you could come across in the cannon timeline. But when starkiller replaces him that horror factor gets turned up to 11. Absolutely horrific.

[@calebcalhoun9847]

Starkillers sounds like some alien shit. Amazing that they made a sound even scarier than vaders.

[@michaelbutler1619]

Pretty much me whenever I wake up. Winter decided to kick into high gear in my state, and my sinuses don't like it one bit. Also, I watched the Star Wars Holiday Special with my family a few days before Christmas. It was bizarre and very poorly acted, which the cocktails we drank while watching it definitely didn't help us ignore. Chewbacca's son Lumpy was adorable, though.

[@nickthepick8043]

Oof. I watch that shit every year without drinks but for some reason I can sit through it. Honestly, the whole thing is like as if it were every family sitcom mixed in with Star Wars. But hey, who knows? With Mandolorian's popularity, we could get a better Christmas Special.

[@homeboiperezz2221]

Apparently in canon, Starkiller had lost his jaw when he was crushed by the ship. So it would explain how his breathing sounds far more struggling and his voice sounding way more mechanic

[@necrom002]

Damn, what else did he lost? In terms of his body

[@Thefatherof_abomb]

@@necrom002 Apparently like his kidney, intestines, arms, and more.

[@necrom002]

@@Thefatherof_abomb Damn that's dark af losing every part of your body while being crushed by a ship is insane

[@nota444tm2]

​@@necrom002 damn near everything. all thats left is barely his upper half of his torso, a majority of his arms and hands, and barely a piece of his face which is crudely plastered onto a metal endoskeleton head.

[@darthrevan2993]

If you listen well, you’ll notice that starkiller breathing is essentially the two breaths of Vader but in the opposite order

[@nickthepick8043]

Hey you know, you're actually right about that. A lot of people seem to notice that.

[@DavidGarcia-fp8qd]

Didn’t star killer actually die unlike Vader ? Is that why he sounds like that?

[@nickthepick8043]

Oh, this is Starkiller from a "What If?" Scenario. As in, what if he fully committed to the Dark Side, etc.

[@tonystank3091]

The Force Unleashed had Infinities DLC. What-If DLC that continues from the non-canon Dark Side ending.

[@MarvelandDC379]

The game has a non canon, dark side alternate timeline.

[@m0rbid_0utlet]

So essentially the dark side ending is x2 non-canon?

[@nickthepick8043]

@@m0rbid_0utlet Pretty much. It's doubly non-canon anymore.

[@yeetantivenom8524]

I think we can all agree Starkiller is the literal sleep paralysis demon we all have 🤣

[@nickthepick8043]

If anyone disagrees, then they might have Abeloth instead. And that's WORSE XD

[@yeetantivenom8524]

@@nickthepick8043 true

[@burnttoast.2017]

@@nickthepick8043 what if starkiller followed the path that turned Abeloth into Abeloth. Would he be worse?

[@ruben_zermeno]

Star Wars The Force Unleashed 1 was the best Star Wars game that I ever played, my favorite Star Wars spin-off from all time, and Starkiller was and still is my favorite Star Wars character from all of them. I don't know why exactly, but unlike Luke, Han, Obi Wan, Darth Vader, and many other "main-main" classic and iconic characters from Star Wars franchise, Starkiller was the only Star Wars character that I feel identified in a way. But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I look myself in real-life as a poweful gray jedi, throwing lightsabers as a pro, or pushing very far, far away stormtrooper out of space with the force, nor another science fiction from Star Wars. Because I'm really nothing like that. I guess I feel identified with Starkiller because of his personality and motivations. In my real life I always tried to work hard to show the people my skills and loyalty, specially back to school with team projects, without knowning if my classmates they're gonna tread me like a friend, or if they're just gonna use me until they don't need me anymore. And in my experiences, I have people who I worked proudly with them, thinking that they considered me as a friend and a esencial part of the team. But then in a day, like any other, they just kicked me out from their team just like that, because they found another "friend" to work with him, feeling myself betrayed and making me feel myself also that I was just nothing more than a puppet and a slave to them, until they considere me completely useless for their team, knowing that I was just working for the wrong people. Then I had to work with another group, but now with less trust in my classmates. But when I thought that this new team they're gonna kicked me out soon or later, like the previous team, they actually treat me like an important part of the team. Because unlike the previous team, this people really respected my work, gaving me many honest thanks, saying also that without my hard contribution for the team, probably would never had the best note in our class as a team. All those of experiences that I had in my school kinda reminds me of Starkiller's experiences too. Because Starkiller also had to work (or forced to do it) with Darth Vader since he was just a kid, showing to him all his potential and loyalty, risking his life many times, managing to kill some powefull jedis, only for Vader's loyalty. But when he thought that both him and Vader they're finally fight against the Emperor, Vader just stab him in the back literally, using him only as a tool, even with the plan about making a rebeld alliance against the Emperor now. But when Starkiller was betrayed twice by Vader, they make now a trully redemption to save this rebeld alliance that he made. And all his work, determination and (only in his case) sacrifice, made all the rebel alliance that we know in the original trilogy, and his father's symbol was also used as a symbol of hope for the galaxy. Also I liked the rest of the new characters like Proxy, he was like a badass version of C3PO; Kota, who despite that he ended up blind and drunk because of Starkiller, Kota also ended up respecting Starkiller as a grey jedi, and even as a friend, most like Obi Wan and Anakin's friendship; and even I like relationship between Starkiller and his love interest Juno. Until Lucasarts turned the character of Juno in the "princess Peach" of Star Wars. Talking about the sequel, Lucasarts really did a big waste of potential to that sequel. Because despite that it have a good gameplay and graphics, which surprisingly age well, even today, its lack of clothing, scenarios, common enemies and specially bosses (which that was the best thing in the first game) was extremely dissapointed, and the story was basically a Stars Wars version of Mario trying to save princess Peach from Bowser until the end of the game, but with Starkiller, Juno and Vader instead, having a much bigger cliff hanger that it never solved. And It's really a big shame, because I liked the idea to see Starkiller again, using now 2 lightsabers in the combat, and see the rest of the characters of Kota, Proxy and Juno alive and together with Starkiller. And aparently Lucasarts was planned to make a third game, which you can play both as Starkiller and Vader in a coop mode, in a story about stop the Emperor definitely. But the collosal failure of the Force Unleashed 2, combined with Disney owning Star Wars rights then, Lucasarts ended up shutting down their doors, and then Disney decided to remove the spin-off of the Force Unleashed from the canon. Because they said that Starkiller was so powerfull than even Yoda and the Emperor combined, so they needed it to remove him from the canon because of that. A very stupid and hypocrite answer, considering that Disney later on turned the character of Rey into a MUCH MORE over-powerful character from Star Wars than Starkiller, but with almost 0 character development. But after seeing all the things that Disney did to Star Wars with its forced, politilical correct, feminazi and nonsense bullshit, I prefer to still to continue seeing Star Wars The Force Unleashed as canon from the franchise (at least just the first one) and removing all that crap from the sequel trilogy from the canon as a fan, having also my own fanfiction about what could it be better to see and happen in the Force Unleashed 2 and 3. Sorry about my LARGE comment, but I wanted to express all my feelings about this game and characters that I love so much. Because that spin-off deserved something much better.

[@nickthepick8043]

No need to apologize, my friend. I'm the one who should be sorry for not responding sooner. Life keeps me busy, but man I really love that you took the time to write such a thoughtful comment. I'm sorry that your first group treated you that way, but I'm more happy for you that you found a group that treated you the way you wanted to be treated! You pretty much nailed Starkiller's perspective on his alliances in a nutshell. Hell, even in the novelization the story touched upon this. As to the second game, I can agree on your points. But I still love it to this day. But I can agree, that Juno was sort of reduced to a Princess Peach in a way. But, the graphic novel of this game gave Juno a lot more to do. It takes place from Boba's perspective of the events, but without spoilers, she does influence him in a way. And knowing how good the Force Unleashed 3 could have been, I think it's best if Starkiller and the rest of "Legends" remain non-canon. That way, they can't ruin them any further from their source material, unlike characters such as Luke or Leia. You also made an excellent point in regards to Rey, as an OP Mary Sue. The whole point of getting rid of the EU was to give JJ a clean slate, and to avoid any complexities in regards of what can be done with the Force, but they made it confusing anyway. Starkiller is powerful, yes, but everywhere he goes there's always a challenge for him. Rey doesn't get challenge, or development. If you're a Force User of any affiliation, you earn your power through blood, sweat, and tears. The Force doesn't give you any leeway. Thanks for commenting, and sorry for not responding sooner!

[@ruben_zermeno]

@@nickthepick8043 Don't worry about it either. Because I have also my own busy works too. And I guess you have a good point. Removing The Force Unleashed and Legends from the canon could be the best in a way. Because if Disney would ruin also the characters of Starkiller, Kota, Proxy and Juno, just like they did with Luke, Leia and Han, I would definetly lost completely my respects with them. Because despite that Luke, Leia and Han are some of the main icons from Star Wars, Starkiller, like I said before, is my favorite Star Wars character from all time, and I would hate that Disney also ruin my favorite character, in another level. But I have to be honest. Before episode VIII and IX came out, I actually liked the episode VII from the sequel. I always wanted a stormtrooper like Fine making redemption against the Empire and fighting along with the rebelds. Poe was for me a good and pro pilot, like Luke and Anakin, and I actually liked the friendship between him and Fine. BB8 was a cutest version of R2D2. And even Rey, she looked at first like an intriguing and misterious character, who don't know who is she exactly or where she come from, and my first thoughts about her was that probably she is Luke's daughter, who because of desperate situations, Luke left her in Tatooine, after loosing everything thanks to Ben's betrayal and the New Order. Also that Rey was Han and Leia's nephew and Ben's cousin. But when episode VIII and IX came out, all my thoughts about this new characters were completely destroyed thanks to Disney's forced, political correct, feminazi and nonsense bullshit, making me lose all my respects and interests about all this characters from the sequel trilogy. The sequel thematic wasn't bad, but the execution was a complete mess. However, despite all the crap that I saw in the sequel, I still respect Disney a little bit, thanks to Rogue One and Star Wars Rebelds series. Rogue One unlike episode VIII and IX, actually respected the lore of the original trilogy, and the new characters from this film actually had a descent character development. Star Wars Rebelds on the other hand I actually liked it very much, just like Clone Wars, but sometimes I wished that Starkiller, Kota, Proxy and Juno had their own spin-off series like Rebelds, or even combine the Redelds events with the Force Unleashed. Because I still feeling that it was very unfair that Disney remove Starkiller's story and the original born of the Rebeld alliance, and I would definetly like to see Starkiller in the small screen, with the Rebelds or Clone Wars art style. Specially because Starkiller's voice actor portrayed also Darth Maul both in Rebelds and Clone Wars. But who knows what could it done Disney with Starkiller if this actually happened? Also, in a way, I like the Force Unleashed 2 even today like you too. But comparing it with the first game, I still feeling very dissapointed with all the flaws that the game still have, having myself more fatigue to replaying it. However, I found very interesting the thematic about Starkiller being cloned, and despite that there is no more continuation of The Force Unleashed series, I still believe that Starkiller from TFU2 is actually the original Starkiller, and even I had my own theory about that. My theory was that after the events of TFU1, Vader instead of get rid off the corpse of his aprentice, he took his body to Kamino to try to cloning him. Because Vader was surprised that Starkiller almost manage to kill him, and his potential was so big to waste it completely. Because it could be a solution to stop the rebelds. But Vader not only manage to clone "succesfully" Starkiller, but also he resurrected the original Starkiller. However, despite that Vader had already many clones of Starkiller, most of them were more weak, unstable and unhuman versions of Starkiller. And despite that he still had that particular clone, with many potential, Vader still had a distrust with any of Starkiller's clones. So in case that the jedi cloning turn into a complete failure, Vader tried to convince the actual Starkiller that he was another clone, in order to make him kill all the Rebeld alliance that he made, including his new mentor and friend Kota and specially Juno. Just like Starkiller said to Vader at the end of the game: "Maybe Kota is right. Maybe this is just a trick in order to confuse me, to the point to forget who I am and being your slave one more time." The jedi cloning wasn't a bad thematic, but the execution was awful, combined with how short the story was. I wished that the story never had at least this vibe of "Mario saving princess Peach from Bowser to the end of the game.". But the thing that it still surprising me is that the PS2/Wii version of both TFU 1&2 have actually more content than the PS3/XBOX 360/PC version. In the PS2/Wii version of TFU1 are actually more scenarios and enemies to fight, and even an additional mission to find and save Garm. And in the case of TFU2 despite that they didn't add more places and enemies to fight, at least they gave more unique scenarios in the pre-existed ones. Like a beautiful garden in Cloud City, escaping from a destroyed version of the Salvation, fighting a couple of times alongside with Kota as an actual team, having at least some QTE fights with Boba Fett, instead of following them only, without doing absolutely nothing, and even the Dagobah "mission" turned into an actual mission, instead of a 20 seconds level with nothing to do, and even they added at least a couple of outfits. But it's a real shame that they never add those PS2/Wii extra content to the PS3/XBOX 360/PC version. Because that could it help to upgrade the gameplay and story of both TFU 1&2 for all the platforms. Also I already saw the comic of TFU2 but despite that it showed more content with Boba's perspective, having himself an actual influence from Juno. That doesn't change the fact that Juno was reduced in the sequel into a "Princess Peach" from Star Wars, instead of being a female character who always try to support and motivate the protagonist, like she did in the first game.

[@caiooliveira_]

Mucho texto

[@EL100TIFIKO_01]

i have TFU in my DSi and for PS2, and i have TFU2 in XBOX 360. I must say that i prefer TFU2, but the lack of history and planets/places is frustating, the clothes of TFU also are better compared to the sequel

[@a.b.s.anonymousbastardofso9459]

@@nickthepick8043 Well to be fair, Rey did get a challenge in the Last Jedi from Snoke. That WAS until he got one-shot by Kylo Ren. Overall when it came to power scaling certain Force-Sensitive characters, DISNEY always either went astoundingly weak or ridiculously overpowered. As for the story, it was obviously a clusterfuck. Mostly because of how people reacted negatively to TLJ which resulted in DISNEY taking GIANT leaps backward and doing a last-minute ass backward ripoff of the Dark Empire Trilogy that tried to proactively retcon the events of the first 2 movies across the board. Therefore ruining new characters that had the potential to be good, on top of the old ones they bastardized already.

[@The-Homi]

While we know Vader is in constant pain from lore he never looks or acts like it. Starkiller sounds truely like a mechanized shell of a man in constant pain.

[@nickthepick8043]

Vader's good at keeping to himself. Starkiller's new at this.

[@CarnisRex]

Even the word "pain" is an understatement.

[@nathanhodges411]

Starkiller’s so much scarier than Vader in a dark room. He’s a lot faster and quieter than Vader and the breathing is just terrifying

[@hoshiryu]

Vader in that room: Breathes, you will be terrified but accept your Fate Starkiller in that Room: breathes, you hear it, you SHIT yourself

[@nathanhodges411]

@@hoshiryu yes exactly

[@shiveredmytimber3148]

Appreciate the Human album cover as the pfp

[@dembibro9271]

Star killer sounds like he’s like dying

[@nickthepick8043]

Well, he probably wishes he could. I know I would at that point.

[@satanthedeceiver8142]

My man really said: gggaaahhhhh

[@Catpickle84]

It’s sad they both have to die trapped in those suits Vader has sufffered more and Vader sounds like he is have problems breathing with his suit

[@levidonnell]

I love the way Galen's mask reverberates and echoes

[@reinmarren9959]

Starkiller sounds like a wild animal and that’s what I always loves about him.

[@doctorenvy9650]

0:22 my man bout to drop a sick beat

[@Mr.Constitutionalist427]

Galen is the best and still canon... his clan symbol is in every single movie 😂😂😂

[@selectivystupid.1030]

Honestly Starkiller's sounds a lot more gurgle sounding makes me always think there's always blood somewhat blocking his breathing at times.

[@ChrisWincencik]

I think becouse Starkiller is in state so painfull in that suit (dark side this time more obviously) that he's close to his force potential before injuries similar with darth Maul and Sion (vader quite a bit too but he's limited with mobility and still can't recompasate for half of his super force sensitive body)

[@dy7296]

Kinda reminded me of Springtrap's fanmade voice

[@nickthepick8043]

Yeah, someone else made that distinction too. I'll have to look it up. Maybe I could use that as a vfx tutorial for my own content!

[@ratanraju9802]

You can hear the pain in starkillers breathing

[@nickthepick8043]

It's hard to unhear.

[@panfilip9963]

I always thought that Vader sounds like he has some problems with breathing the air in... While for Starkiller, breathing overall cases pain.

[@godofevil9468]

coming from me someone who doesn't know much about this game and reading about how Starkiller had "His armor nailed into him" and how "he suffered way worse than Vader because he had a freaking ship crushed into him." I'm like.... damn... this is savage.

[@ley4498]

Vader burnt alive, i dont know which one is worse

[@somedude7849]

@@ley4498 not sure. Aftermath it's going much worse for StarKiller. He had his Lungs Crushed to nothing whilst Vader had his Burnt/Bruised

[@phantomsights4533]

Vader is much deeper and darker while Starkiller has a metallic and almost sounds like he is screaming when he breathes and speaks

[@someguy1747]

If there is an unofficial Sith name for Starkiller it would be "Darth Lurker" or "Darth Stalker", for his sheer relentless drive to hunt the enemies of Vader and the Empire wherever they go and hide. His sole line in this video reflects this:"You can never escape me..." like a broken, feral, barely-clinging-to-life predator driven solely for the hunt of his prey that is the only thing keeping him going. "The Hunt" HIS hunt.

[@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901]

I’d say Darth Venator if not for the Venator-Class Star Destroyer. … Actually, scratch that, thanks to the Raxus Prime mission, it’s perfect.

[@FORZA-7]

Darth vader sounds exactly like injustice 2 darkseid, and coincidentally his name is literally darkseid

[@loyalwestbriton5410]

Ngl I wonder what it would be like to have 2003 grievous voice along with the breathing starkiller had.

[@nickthepick8043]

At that point, we could also ask for a 1st person horror game with that version of Grevious as the villain. Also, Been planning on doing Grevious voice comparisons(Mainly one featuring the voice in the Revenge of the Sith Audiobook, since he's very chilling in that one)

[@redhood996]

the reason why starkiller breathes like that is the air is forced inside his helmet, causing him to change his voice and over that, Darth vader struggles to breathe in but starkiller struggles to breathe out (from @Mr.Hnadman comment) because there is already some air inside the helmet

[@genuine1233]

0:45 Dfaq is this dialogue, Darth vader would never yell like this. Does he?🤔

[@nickthepick8043]

Eh, in the comics and games he does yes.

[@landomerando6362]

Sorry but this video is freaking awesome 😂😂 I’ve rewatched a couple times. Really like the comparison and the general idea of one

[@nickthepick8043]

No need to apologize! You constant rewatching is rewarding! I'm thinking about doing one with Grevious.

[@stormtrooperfun2525]

0:45 Darth Vader: "Aarghh!", "gaaaahh!" Starkiller: "Bzzzzzz"

[@jamesmorrill9829]

This is absolutely perfect 🥰, you put a lot of effort I to this comparison! I hope they remaster force unleashed for ps4 and nintendo switch. 🙏

[@nickthepick8043]

Thanks, buddy! I won't lie, tis was relatively simple to do. And congratz, you got a port coming for Switch. You got your wish!

[@mattm9204]

Don't forget xbox 1

[@nickthepick8043]

@@mattm9204 Oh right! Thanks friend.

[@cuty-tude3665]

Darth Vader is menacing don't get me wrong but Starkiller sounds like a demon from the 20th layer of hell

[@nickthepick8043]

He'd probably have conquered the 20th layer when he got there, or even just be worshipped as a Legend.

[@CarnisRex]

Nono, that's the beauty of it. He's so traumatizing, the other layers wanted him to be as close to the Abyss as inhumanly possible.

[@curtrolz7909]

This breathing exercise is great! 10/10 would try again!

[@HadeTheReal]

The breathing is really damn eerie and Unsettling idk why but it just is .

[@Ezrajusttraveling]

Starkiller sounds like an electronic demon

[@nickthepick8043]

I wonder what an Electronic Demon would look like?

[@Ezrajusttraveling]

@@nickthepick8043 hmmm

[@Kira22558]

Poor guys.

[@judeedits]

you know you are famous when people make videos of you breathing

[@diamondultra]

Starkillers breathing would be more terrifying in a horror game

[@StoryArtsConcepts]

The first breathing audio clip from Starkiller sounds very similar to Vader’s.

[@nickthepick8043]

Yeah, a lot of people have noticed that.

[@bammer8447]

Darth vader sounds like he can't inhale and starkiller sounds like he can't exhale

[@nickthepick8043]

The duality of man, dear friend.

[@YourOwnDamnVault31]

This is pretty cool.

[@AlwaysHereToHelp_]

Starkiller my fav

[@nickthepick8043]

Who doesn't love Starkiller?

[@andonmartin4142]

@@nickthepick8043 people that complain that he’s “op”

[@nickthepick8043]

@@andonmartin4142 Meh. They're probably the same type of people who were okay with Luke in the Last Jedi.

[@bigguy3431]

0:22 someone pls make a song out of this beat

[@guypeate3628]

The sound of Darth Vader breathing is scarier than having a tarantula in your bed

[@thealphag1954]

Vader is more iconic and memorable but starkiller is more threatening in my opinion

[@tedrpz]

Starkillers voice reminds me of general grievous’s voice from 2003 clone wars

[@nickthepick8043]

The best voice for him.

[@Pulang_Diwa]

Her: So what kind of music do you like to listen to? Me: Asthmatic ASMR

[@nickthepick8043]

She's a keeper if that's what she's into too.

[@jacobolson6145]

I had headphones in and this felt weird like vader was breathing right into my ear lol

[@plasticharp9247]

Star killer sounds like he’s in massive amounts of pain with each breath but Vader sounds more like he’s breathing into a harmonica without the music

[@cic1470]

Comments are saying that Starkiller’s got scarier breathing, but I think it’s “too much.” It’s the simple and unassuming nature of Vader’s breathing that makes it chilling.

[@nickthepick8043]

I concur with you on that. I still find Starkiller's breathing a unique, one-off change of pace.

[@hoshiryu]

here is the thing you see Vader and hear his Breathing: *in a room really dark, but a bit of flickering lights* you accept your Fate same situation, but you hear and see Starkiller looking at you: YOU SHIT YOURSELF

[@ethandonaldson2827]

the one thing i noticed while watching this video is that Darth Vader and Lord Starkiller breathing sounds similar too one another

[@nickthepick8043]

Exactly. Most people don't know that Palpatine's got a little hobby in making Force Sensitive servants to the Empire that are light-copies of Vader himself. The Dark Jedi in his Empire aren't true Sith, so it's okay for him. All in all, having more beings like Vader further enforces the image of what the Empire represents.

[@JonDoe42069]

0:43 I can't (escape) get enough of this.

[@naszirboyd9950]

Star killer sounds like he's in literal pain like dying with every breath. Lord have mercy Help him.

[@Elcoin]

I Wish Starkiller Was Canon

[@nickthepick8043]

Trust me, it's better that he's not. That way, they won't ruin him.

[@StrasburgCN89]

Darth vader: fearing breath Starkiller: dying and suffering cannot even breathing a single time

[@nickthepick8043]

Vader: This is the most uncomfortable thing. Starkiller: Aw, Poor Muffin.

[@sekiko7183]

Perks of a Sith: - Red Lightsaber - Cool asf name - Cool suit - Asthma

[@iLoveYouLebronDaddyJames]

Imagine getting a phone call with that breathing

[@cheesydanishgaming3333]

Starkiller seems more of a stalker Vader seems more of an “I’m right here bitch” kinda guy

[@JustTrooper]

Starkiller is still a badass to this day

[@nickthepick8043]

And how! In a lot of ways, he's what Anakin Skywalker should have been as a character.

[@JustTrooper]

For real

[@fooey2440]

and then there's general grevious' breathing coughing out his lungs