Darth Vader Vs Count Dooku |

[@JoseM26Monster]

It's the best edit I've ever seen. You will be a powerful sith...

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thank you so much, my fellow Sith! May the Dark Side of the Force be with us!

[@theopportuneson699]

W edit, but Dooku wins handily. The two are similar in power magnitude, but Dooku’s ability to output it is far better in every way besides telekinesis and telepathy (and they are very close in those realms).

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thanks friend! Though as I answered in the other comment, I'll have to desagree. Besides what I said already, there's even the Stamina issue for Dooku. Even if he can use his Force Powers with less handicap, he's gonna end up tiring himself, like against IH Anakin IMO.

[@Todd_1387]

Че ты высрал

[@Alarcj7]

Great edit and W take, really liked the lines at the start. But it’s no-low diff imo, and Vader takes a few more points, but W for giving him the win.

[@Alarcj7]

W for doing this match up btw, was hoping to see you doing this

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thank you very much friend! I would agree it would be Low Diff if Canon. But in Legends, even ROTJ Vader is still below ROTS KFV and some statements might put him even below Post IH Anakin, depending on the way you scale. IMO, using most info we have, I don't think Dooku can win at all, no matter the Canon used, though he isn't far off from Vader at all in the EU. Though, you'll find a lot of people saying IH Dooku No diffs ROTJ Vader in Legends as well lol.

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

​@@Alarcj7Btw friend, I would love to know which other points you would've given Dooku here, if you don't mind 😊

[@Alarcj7]

@@DarklightAlexEditsI have ROTJ Vader above MFV in Legends (no G Canon), but fairs. Btw, this is how I have IH Dooku vs ROTJ Vader: Strength and durability: Vader. All speeds: Vader. Agility and mobility: Dooku. Stamina and endurance: Vader. Intelligence and experience: Dooku. Battle IQ and battle experience: Vader. Force power and hax: Vader (not close). Force abilities and mastery: Dooku. All duelling: Vader. Skill and combat: Vader. Feats and scaling: Vader Vader no-low diffs.

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

​@@Alarcj7 I agree with ROTJ Vader > MFV as well! Also, your point distribution is pretty fair. I only disagree with the diff tbh lol.

[@godzillalooney2672]

Suggestion: Can you do Vaggie Vs Squidward Tentacles next please?

[@Canonisfodder]

W edit, but Dooku slams badly(not using G-Canon btw)

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thanks friend, though I have to desagree. If Dooku slams Vader, he does the same to Sidious lol. It doesn't make any sense. ROTJ Vader is 80% of ROTJ Sidious and that was the strongest Sidious up until that point. Check this chain out and see if it makes sense: - IH Dooku >>> ROTJ Vader - ROTJ Sidious (100%) > ROTJ Vader (80%) - IH Dooku >> ROTJ Sidious (?????) Btw, in Legends, IH Dooku ~ Pre-Order 66 Sidious, so: - Pre-Order 66 Sidious >>> ROTJ Sidious (????)

[@Canonisfodder]

@@DarklightAlexEdits your entire argument falls apart when you realize that the statement you’re using refers to potential, not actualized power, Vader on the other hand has an established narrative of being massively sub Anakin, and in addition to his portrayals in the EU, his feats are another indication of his power level, struggling with ANH Kenobi, Anya Kuro, legitimately lost to the Maul Clone(who is equal to TPM Maul), before the cheapshot, also lost to Starkiller and ROTJ Luke(no Vader wasn’t conflicted or holding back, that’s headcannon), and as for Dooku, he’s consistently portrayed as being ~ Yoda and IH Dooku > pre Senate Yoda(who negs Vader), an exhausted Dooku also stalemated Yoda in AOTC, this is enough to neg Vader, who is barely above the likes of TPM Maul.

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

@@CanonisfodderYou're missing a lot of the points of what your saying here: - The ANH novel says outright that Obi-Wan wouldn't win. It's not a struggle at all. Vader had the advantage and Kenobi was getting crushed by the second. - The Maul clone was stronger than TPM Maul by an unknown amount (which makes him useless to scale Vader at any level) - Starkiller is fodder to the Original Trilogy. The events of TFU an it's sequel happens before ANH and Vader is stated to get more powerful throught every film in the trilogy. Starkiller High diffed one of the weakest Vader's ever (he could also defeat a stronger Sidious than his Post-Order 66 version in the game). - ROTJ Luke was already a threat to Sidious and Vader himself thought he had no chance against his son in their ROTJ duel. Also, I never said I thought any of the two were holding back when in fact, they weren't and the novel confirms that. - Dooku is only ~ to Yoda in AOTC. I don't remember nothing being said by that in the ROTS novel. Around here there's more room for opinions though, as you seem to think Pre-IH Anakin is > ROTJ Vader as well per the "TPM Maul > ROTJ Vader".

[@Canonisfodder]

@@DarklightAlexEdits funny how I never said Old Ben > ANH Vader, and that “getting crushed by the second” tidbit is headcannon, they’re verbatim stated as relatives and they’re shown to be as well. Clone Maul being above his TPM iteration is also headcannon, the opposite was established in reality and TPM is confirmed as Mauls prime in the EU, and Maul literally slammed Vader in the fight too prior to the circumstancial win. Go ahead and quantify that power growth rq, also that version of Vader is literally his strongest version besides his OT iteration, and the fight wasn’t a high diff at all(interesting how a Galen in Oneness couldn’t beat a toying pre ANH Sidious). Starkiller is also stated to be no match for Sidious: ```As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious. --The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia``` ROTJ Luke was never a threat to Sidious, quite the opposite: ```“Vader also knows that the Emperor is toying with Luke. He has been told by the Emperor, ‘When he starts to strike me, you’re going to have to take him out.’ If Vader doesn’t block Luke’s lazer sword, the Emperor could just raise his hand and that would be the end of it.``` Source: Lucas in The Making of RotJ And that is only true for RA Luke, and even then Vader didn’t get insta no diffed anyway, Vader and base ROTJ Luke are portrayed as equals, and Vader is locked massively below Palpatine anyway. As for Dooku, he was high diffing the IH Duo prior to Zonakin coming out, and said version of Anakin is above Yoda: ```This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.``` Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization You’ll note that I never said TPM Maul > ROTJ Vader, only that he beat pre ANH Vader, I hold Vader above TPM Maul, but only a little bit and he’s still massively sub Anakin, we can legitimately debate this if you wish on another platform.

[@emeraldeditzam]

@@Canonisfodder bro never replied to u

[@pieroaliagabedoya1413]

W GOAT 🗿

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thanks my GOAT 🐐

[@Cautoferro26p]

I think mid high diff vader ,w edit

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thank you!

[@weathybytes]

😮😮😮

[@JL-uc8rs]

W but I thought Vader loses in legends

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

It depends on your way of scaling. In G-Canon, he might actually lose, and pretty badly at that. I don't use this though as it doesn't consider most Legends material which IMO, does help indicate that Vader would win, although with some amount of difficulty.

[@JL-uc8rs]

@@DarklightAlexEdits oh okay, my bad. As always W take and edit

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

​@@JL-uc8rsThank you a lot friend 😊

[@JL-uc8rs]

@@DarklightAlexEdits np, you got discord?

[@emeraldeditzam]

He does, he's barely above tpm maul

[@KlakierMappierd2137]

Isn't legends Vader below Tpm Obi wan

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

If you use G-Canon, he's on par with TPM Maul (G-Canon is horrible in Scaling as it doesn't use most of Legends, only a few select things plus the movies). Below TPM Obi-Wan is crazy lol. It would make TPM Padawan Kenobi stronger than ANH Kenobi 😅

[@livingcoffee_edits]

Vader mid diffs

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

That's an unpopular opinion it seems. Why do you think Vader wins (to which I agree ofc) and why at Mid Diff? People seem to love using G-Canon (Nonsense Canon IMO lol) to say Dooku No Diffs.

[@Korny613k]

W + Fax in legend Vader still powerful he's so underrated but in G Canon Vader is Weaker than Dooku and Anakin, Vader in G Canon just on TPM Level

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Thanks GOAT 🐐 I think G-Canon is just dumb lol. It ignores most of Legends. I don't think it's logic Scaling at all.

[@Korny613k]

@@DarklightAlexEdits true 😂 but KFV still slams Vader in Legend

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

Yep, KFV is definitely the stronger Vader still lol.

[@harrythebombarry3974]

@@DarklightAlexEditsI’m confused, is G-Canon Canon or something else

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

​@@harrythebombarry3974For the lore's canonicity, there's only two canons, Disney Canon and Legends Canon. However, for powerscaling, people have a more diverse range of opinions, so there's more divisions as people desagree much more on how Scaling should work. 1. Disney Canon: our current Canon. (Scaling example: ROTJ Vader (No- to Low-Mid Diffs) >>>>>> KFV.) 2. C-Canon or Legends: Every Legends material ever, including the original 6 films, games such as the KOTOR and TFU games and all the multitude of Legends novels. (It often clashes against some George Lucas' statements). (Scaling example: KFV >> ROTJ Vader). 3. G-Canon or EU: considers only the original 6 films and a few Legends materials, but is mostly carried by George Lucas' statements who take front precedence over every other Legends sources. (Scaling example: KFV >>>>> IH Dooku >>>>>> ROTJ Vader ~ TPM Maul).

[@thejedi3000Slayer]

Isn´t legends vader weaker than dooku

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

If you use G-Canon, you could say so. But I don't and I don't think people should logically use it as it's just what George Lucas says (in which he already contradicts himself) plus the movies while discarding most Legends material info.

[@Todd_1387]

Никогда

[@DarklightAlexEdits]

​@@Todd_1387Sup Todd! Btw, what is your opinion on this matchup?