Dating Coach Challenges Destiny On Israel Palestine

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[@LastNightDestiny]

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[@FaerieSidhe]

You should do a stream going over what actually occurred during the separate Genocides carried out in recent history. The Bengali's. The Assyrians. The Armenians come to mind. Compare and contrast. The differences are clear as day and more people need to be aware of it.

[@harrynewhof3165]

"I am doing this debate with you because you really haven't debated anyone good besides for Marc Lamont Hill" and then proceeds to be worse than anyone.

[@harrynewhof3165]

2:38:58 Mr Dating Coach doesn't seem to know where Gaza is lol

[@kjfrank4253]

Destiny got mad about Truck being used as a unit measure then in the next breath used pallet as a unit of measure

[@felixculpa9390]

Alex looks like a capybara inspecting a trail cam.

[@RochTro]

Underrated comment

[@scarletcrusade77]

😂😂😂

[@claudiaxander]

So glad i found your comment. Thanks, keep em comming!

[@josephomalley7628]

Holy fucking shit

[@yakinthebox]

-_O

[@Spaceman99966]

"You havent had any good pro-palestine people on" - that record still stands

[@MinecraftGod69420]

you have to admit tho he put up a better fight than some of the more well known pro palestine people destiny has debated. He actually engaged with each talking point and kept calm and on track.

[@Spaceman99966]

@MinecraftGod69420 I'm not going to give him credit for being a good pro palestine person cause he consumes articles in a vacuum and takes everything as truth. Also if the bar is just being a normal human that can have a conversation without shrieking then that tell you everything you need to know about the pro palestine movement

[@MinecraftGod69420]

@@Spaceman99966 ok relax, he clearly does a little more research and reading than most average people. whether or not you agree doesn't change the fact that you can respect the effort. also debates are not held to the same standard as being a normal human that can have a convo without shrieking. most of the time debates are just both sides shrieking at each other without actually having a productive convo. this convo seems to have been a constructive one. he showed he was willing to bite bullets and change his perspective on certain aspects. that's a highly respectable trait. whether or not you agree with him or not.

[@Spaceman99966]

@MinecraftGod69420 ok fair I will relax and realize my first criticism was a little harsh. I was prepared to give him a chance , but the slightest prodding of his arguments or ideas they just crumbled. I dont think it's a respectable trait to not flesh out your own ideas and thoughts at least on your own accord before presenting them to other people. Destiny was teaching him how to think and read articles .... it was productive for him maybe , but terribly boring for the audience

[@MinecraftGod69420]

@Spaceman99966 you also have to keep in mind that not everyone works on the same level as destiny or you so somthing that may be obvious to us may be not so obvious to others and I can respect the attempt to learn and debate. It takes alot of courage especially going against destiny

[@themossad]

My household consumes 0.014 trucks per week. We normally start with the wheels and progress from there.

[@jess_bounce]

I knew the Mossad ate trucks but I just couldn’t prove it until now

[@coreyander286]

_The latest bone-chilling thriller from macabre maestro Stephen King..._

[@MrAdamo]

Are you related to that french guy who ate a plane?

[@themossad]

It's possible, what's his mother's name?@@MrAdamo

[@lordlorian81]

😂😂

[@JimBakkerBonus]

Alex sure brought a truckload of evidence to this debate!

[@mortennielsen7349]

Several truckloads in fact, which is a large improvement compared to the usual average of 5 truckloads he brings to debates conversations.

[@16uy9aming4]

How much is it in metric ton?

[@AruthaSilverthorn]

@@16uy9aming4truckloads is the imperial measure we’ve been missing

[@Benbones99]

Alex Palestines Worst Fighter

[@LowTempDabr]

and Destiny literally brought zero. It's crazy how much Destiny hates anti-establishment people, but he just went on an anti-establishment conspiracy-theory ridden tirade this entire debate.

[@Gopherzooka]

dont ask questions,just accept all my claims

[@AverageZionLion87]

Perfect for a dating couch

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Stephen is nitpicking every little detail of the evidences to avoid answering the hard questions about the war crimes israel has been committing.

[@SAFbikes]

Someone needs to coach that hairline

[@famalam943]

I get he wasn’t preped for this point about the aid but is that all he has? Just move onto something else if you don’t have the info but this must be his one and only issue and he doesn’t know much about it. This was just a research stream tbh lol

[@09BiGDylan]

That isn't what happened here. Red pill coach was simply pointing towards the claims made by humanitarian aid organizations but destiny wouldnt straight up say he doesn't trust them or their claims because he knows that pretty bad optics when you're saying organizations primarily setup for providing humanitarian aid are secret hamas sympathizers

[@inplfw]

This was not a debate about Israel Palestine. This was 2 hrs on Alex's lack of media literacy with 30 minutes of him misunderstanding logic and burdens of proof sprinkled in.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Also, Stephen nitpicking as hard as possible at every little detail to avoid discussing Israel's war crimes.

[@fourtyseven47572]

If there was a video of a Hamas drone bombing an Israeli person, and their reasoning was they thought it was an IDF solider, Tiny would definitely say the person was an innocent civillian and that he would need proof to say they were IDF, he wouldnt ever believe Hamas face value.

[@arnoldpalmer-fv7pf]

⁠​⁠@@darrene.vonbraun4421so incredibly strong claim about genocide through starvation is made -> metric to prove this claim is explicitly tracked by multiple parties -> instead of listing this metric as evidence, use a very obscure and vague metric = nitpicking?

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

@@arnoldpalmer-fv7pf no, you misunderstand. Stephen was using his nitpicking, which is a well established debate tactic to stall the debate away from reaching conclusions, to deflect from the question of war crimes and stall the presentation of the veritable smorgasbord of reporting and evidences positive to the claim. Were you under the impression that I was going to enumerate the evidence here? That would be for Alex to do. Hopefully Stephen doesn't hide from Alex for their chance to reconvene on the matter.

[@fourtyseven47572]

If the roles were reversed and there was a video of a drone bombing an Israeli, Destiny would 100% say the Israeli was a civillian and Hamas are indiscriminately bombing. He would not be so charitable and assume the person bombed was an IDF soldier

[@MiserableEffect]

This quickly went from “I’ll be your best debate” to one of the worst.

[@user-hv7rq5zn3x]

What is the problem with this guy, does he have something solid and factual that he brings to the debate...? He just proves how wrong he is!

[@esnot2835]

He is a dating coach it has to come with some delusion and a too high self esteem

[@yevgeni10]

@@esnot2835 Well he is looking to get famous 😂😂.

[@bhutehole]

I'm banned from his comment section for pointing out how fake he is. He shouldn't delve into debate tube if he can't handle criticism from cross pollination. From people that only subbed for the debates then post red pill fakery community notes and expect us to not say something.... so I refuse to watch him at all unless it's to see him get spanked on someone elses channel. F That coward. I may tear into destiny more than anyone I watch. But he isn't no bitch that bans and he has hands down fewest rage quits. For that he has my respect. Unlike this alex

[@16uy9aming4]

He lost me at "drinking sea water" .

[@Utbaut]

Welcome to the guy that trys to meassure the speed of his car by 'restroom-stops per day' and the distance he made by ' trees i did pass'.

[@user-kk8sw7bs2r]

😂"well i don't really see how the analogy is relevant but..."

[@Paragonoflaziness]

Buddy rolled up with news headlines thinking he found some scientists scripture with answers This was entertaining to watch

[@olo_smooth_olo5606]

Destiny had no sources but go ogg

[@nightknight6947]

lmao@@olo_smooth_olo5606

[@bazooka712]

​@@olo_smooth_olo5606did you watch the video?

[@EpicLemonMusic]

@@olo_smooth_olo5606Lmao, say you are ignorant to what Burden of Proof is. Not to mention Destiny has literally a frightening amount of Videos probably 100 hours of him scanning and checking sources for all of the claims he defends. Whether or not Destiny sucks can you just suck it up and admit even this idiot HAS nothing except a litany of news articles, Hamas reports, and Peace Activist opinion columns as he proof 😂😂😂

[@--Daniel--]

@@olo_smooth_olo5606 because in type of logical and rational discourse, the responsibility to provide evidence supporting a claim rest with the person who is actually making the claim. Why would Destiny have that burden?

[@willowfitzgerald2856]

Alex has somehow made Finkelstein look like an intellectual titan with this one. Holy shit.

[@ohmyv3gatron]

like I dunno!

[@heinshaaine8153]

When someone starts anything but sucking himself off - you can be sure that there will be much air and nothing really of substance

[@G00dwILLHuNt1n9]

COPE

[@Victestr0104]

Destiny did a better job at that

[@davidhoffman2311]

It’s rough when someone you’re debating can’t understand very basic concepts.

[@davidhoffman2311]

Saw it live, in case anyone is wondering why I’m giving my opinion 2 minutes after the upload.

[@JohnSmith-eo6uu]

What are you referring to? @@davidhoffman2311

[@Roderik95]

Yeah he was so focused on winning the argument his brain rotted out of his skull somewhere along the way.

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

40 minutes in and it seems decent so far. Let's see how it will degenerate :)

[@davidhoffman2311]

@@thorwaldjohanson2526 You’ll know when it happens.

[@Gopherzooka]

the general rule seems to be: are they Jewish? if yes: war crime if no: hard to say for sure

[@guzz114]

Other way around

[@jafidayman4832]

The Destiny rule seems to be: Is it Palestine? If yes: war crime If no: hard to say for sure

[@Tavat]

“Jewish” lol. We’re talking about Israel, pal. Don’t get them confused.

[@wisemage0]

@@jafidayman4832im rubber your glue

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

44 min in. I actually like the drilling down on the facts and not just taking headlines as facts.

[@Carvaka]

“Trucks is a unit of measurement” 😂

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Are we talking Imperial truckloads or metric truckloads?

[@henryburton6529]

As someone who works in construction I can confirm truck loads is regularly used as a unit of measurement

[@thebristolbruiser]

This is why I hate Reddit style debates that always devolve into a contest on who can pull the most sources that agree with them. It’s always people who think like this guy, that every source is equally as valid and that one does not have to critically assess them. He says that you need to either supply a counter source or accept the validity of his source, that is plainly wrong.

[@Rimmy45]

people will link an article and not even read it beyond the title even though the material of the article disagrees with them

[@SteroidBlackBelt]

This is the entire pro pallies movement they have this network of journalist and lefties that just circle jerk articles and source each other back and forth and back and forth. They create these not said but understood narratives with the common goal of advancing their cause. They all say "my God they've bombed all the hospitals" they haven't bombed them, they've raided them and they've been damaged in fights. But then they wrote articles that say "IDF STRIKES ;))))) AL SHIFA" This is just a massive propaganda war.

[@johnsonjunior547]

Well, its not really source quality, its just worldview perspective with some added biases. Like, if I show you 100 videos of cops being shot or stabbed in crazy situations, you might be more supportive of police or understand their perspective a whole lot more. But if I showed another person 100 videos of police brutality or police killings, then they''ll be marching in a BLM protest. Even if you can provide 100 peices of individual evidence, it doesn't necessarily make either perspective right or wrong. Because it should never be "i watched x amount of brutal videos, therefore the other side must be wrong". Because if thats the case with Israel, every country on the earth that isn't a tiny island has done shady corrupt fucked up shit, but I don't say a whole group is evil or in the wrong because I was able to provide individual anecdotal data points. And a lot of times, even if thats not the reason they cited for disliking one side, it stems from the first bias they have where they see brutal videos, then every point just extends from that.

[@bulldozer8950]

But I had 5 sources and you only had 4! Debate won! Ignore the fact one of mine was known propaganda and the other 4 just cite that source. Reminds me of one time a couple years ago I saw some conservative news articles quoting some democrat saying something ridiculous, but they all ultimately cited the Babylon bee as the source of the quote. Which if you don’t know, is a conservative satire organization. It’s the same as quoting the onion seriously as real life fact, it’s just not true and completely fabricated.

[@G00dwILLHuNt1n9]

Destiny didnt prove any of the sources being wrong nor did he provide any evidence which would support a counter argument. When this happens you should not have any position since you have just rejected all evidence accept in the case where you admit blatant bias.

[@himangshumahanta5398]

This man is regarded for real.

[@raptorballs1546]

“Regarded”

[@Observette]

Highly regarded.

[@deepakkc555]

Most regarded

[@BarcaHannibal]

regarded and acoustic

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

very regarded.

[@GOONGGWP]

I have work in 2 trucks and didnt get any trucks of sleep. Gonna be a truck day...

[@badmuddafadda]

That truck ‘in sucks.

[@Littlewings1984]

I don't care about Israel/Palestine, but how tf did this guy show up to debate Destiny without knowing where it was on a map?? If we were discussing Ukraine or the situation in North Korea it might not matter, but the entirety of the debate revolves around the borders that Israel draws for it's nation.

[@user-hv7rq5zn3x]

What is the problem with this guy, does he have something solid and factual that he brings to the debate...? He just proves how wrong he is!

[@nightknight6947]

off point, but I found it astounding that Mike Pompeo thought award-winning national security and over a decade as NPR foreign correspondence reporter, Mary Louise Kelly, was most likely unable to find Ukraine on a map. He did not know where Ukraine was on the map, someone had to show him. 100000000%.

[@FaerieSidhe]

Borders are drawn by what you can defend and exclude others from using. Ask Ukraine.

[@kathrynmoore2370]

In fairness when the picture showed the flour massacre was in South west it still took destiny ten minutes to see it wasn't north . But it's all good it ...expectations need to be realistic.

[@jameswhite9105]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Alex thought Lebanon and Israeli border was central Gaza

[@motina10]

That was just Destiny fooling around, no?

[@Tumorcoach]

@@motina10no

[@snezak5399]

Lebanon is in the north of Israel

[@coreyander286]

Hopefully, as an expert on Game, Adam can navigate the female mind better than he can navigate to Northern Gaza on a map.

[@nb4411]

Or maybe he's an all around hack. An expert on Game? Sounds lik a con artist lol

[@teodorpetrache3125]

This dude is expert in nothing, he has no logic how can he have game? He is simply delusional in every way possible

[@jad7932]

I’m more concerned that this guy claims to be a dating coach than claiming to be a political junkie. His face looks like every single possible thing that could go wrong, did go wrong. He photoshops his photos too… cringe

[@alonzoperez2470]

​@@nb4411snake oil man selling courses

[@alonzoperez2470]

​@@jad7932there are like two videos on his channel which he uploaded getting rejected by every chick on Omegle. Don't believe me just type. "getting rejected by every chick on Omegle, playing with fire"

[@saltymcnaulty9927]

1. 10% of water needs being met. 2. you can live for 4 days without water. 3. Its been 5 months ..... one of these three things has to be false.

[@space_cadet81]

Israel only supplied 10% before Oct 7. Not sure why Israel should supply more because they chose to attack.

[@gripped6184]

Being a truck driver and living near the canadian border. I can tell you 100% there is a mainifest of everything thing that is on each truck and the american/canadian border is notoriously slow because of the level of inspection that is done at the border, this is between two friendly non warring nations so i could only imagine the level of inspection and accuracy that needs to be done somewhere like the gaza border. especially considering the main way for someone to smuggle explosives or weapons into gaza would probably be via truckload. they 100% know exactly how much food is coming into gaza on a daily basis pre and post October 7th

[@BrandinReggio]

And I guarantee if the manifests clearly showed that they were purposely or even negligently withholding food, and the data and break down of what's on the trucks showed that. That would be front page news everywhere and in ever report from these organizations. There is a reason the only thing given for evidence is something as ambigious as amount of trucks. It's funny how things are framed in the media and in certain organizations to push a certain narrative.

[@CrazyRockwell]

I work in shipping, mostly within the continental US... but in my limited experience I've found shipping freight into Canada can be a bigger pain in the ass than shipping into Israel.

[@karleone28]

By now around 30 Palestinians have reportedly died from malnutrition mostly kids vs more then 200000 Yemenis died of starvation since 2016 by now. Why Yemen is not at the top of discussion?

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Instead we have people who never heard of Yemen before calling Houthis heroes. 😅

[@SomersBugtopia]

Because the world isn't interested in Yemen, period. It's a shame but it's the truth.

[@SuperPaiku]

The guy really thinks ISRAEL is GAZA LOL 2:38:30

[@CraigTalbert]

I can’t believe he’s not getting called out on his ignorance here.

[@sapnupuas6950]

Aint no way💀

[@Nightknight1992]

@@CraigTalbert destiny let it simmer

[@PhillipUranus]

If Alex is a political junkie he needs to go to rehab. This ain’t good for him

[@jad7932]

Nice 😂

[@KeRmiTaKilla]

Hes on that political fent, has no idea whats in it.

[@trevor5933]

Anything shipped on a semi truck is measured in tons. Anywhere. The only metric measured by number of trucks is trucks. This is an deliberate way to twist information.

[@vortex_1336]

I'm shocked that Destiny missed when he read that the aid agency said they they needed 40 trucks a day to feed the refugees. That means since they're getting 98 a day they're getting more than twice what they need.

[@jadwahab4474]

What a horrible argument. Before the war they were getting an average of 500 a day. There’s nothing left but rubble. You’re literally sitting here saying they’re being fed more than enough, while almost every source says otherwise. And Destiny says there’s no collective punishment when people like you exist.

[@vortex_1336]

@@jadwahab4474 Those 500 trucks included consumer goods. Secondly, I'm just referring to an article he was reading that destroyed his own argument that Destiny missed.

[@xfom4008]

​@@jadwahab4474The condition suck, but for humanitarian orgs and activists to cry that these people are facing death the situation needs to get a lot worse. Their condition suck really badly, they are definitely suffering, but there is a difference between suffering and the Siege of Leningrad. People are acting like this is the siege of leningrad.

[@chibichanga1849]

@@jadwahab4474 If I have been on a bulk, eating 4500 calories per day for a month, and I'm getting ready to cut, if I cut my daily calorie intake to 3500 am I losing weight? What about 2500? 1500? What if I was eating 5500 calories during my bulk, does that change anything? 6500? Is that number relevant at all? The only way to talk about whether enough food is getting into Gaza is to do what vortex_1336 and Alex's source article did, which is talk about what their daily needs are and how that compares with what they're getting. The fact that they were getting 500 trucks worth of daily aid in the past is irrelevant. Your comment is a series of non sequiturs.

[@felixculpa9390]

@@jadwahab4474OP didn’t say they were being fed enough. It’s that they were RECEIVING enough. Based on how it acts, I’d assume that no one in charge of Gaza cares if every resident of Gaza is killed. Sucks to suck.

[@AHamiltonScrip-wx1rj]

Israel stated at the ICJ hearing that 70 food trucks on average were necessary pre-October 7th to feed Gaza. At the date of the hearing, 109 trucks on average were getting into Gaza. I think there was a question of water and there was no listing of how many water trucks were required. Also, cooking fuel is important to the calculation. Based on the number of trucks entering Gaza, there is enough food. The bigger questions are is the food able to get to where people are living inside Gaza? Clearly, getting food up north in Gaza is more difficult - because the trucks get hijacked by Hamas, other militant groups, and general lawlessness. When some of the UN agencies were called out on the fact that Israel is not limiting food from entering Gaza, they changed tact and started to complain that it was too dangerous for trucks to travel - implying that Israel was bombing too much, but likely also sandbagging that there are armed bands looking to steal entire trucks or unload trucks. A huge element is the black market that has cropped up in Gaza whereby Gazans are selling donated food at particularly inflated prices. That masked band of Gazan militants that was going around with sticks was supposedly making sure that prices charged for the food at these black markets was not too high. Israel is under an obligation to inspect food aid, but allow it inside Gaza. However, it is my understanding that because it is a hostile population that Israel is not required to defend the trucks getting to destinations inside Gaza - as that would further place its troops in harm’s way. Article 23 of Geneva Convention indicates that a belligerent army must allow food, water, and medical supplies in to the civilians through third parties. Permitted to inspect. As long as these items are not diverted to the enemy.

[@TM-vs4wt]

You make it sound so simple and straightforward. Israel as the occupying power absolutely has the responsibility to see that the food is delivered.

[@hrknesslovesu]

@@TM-vs4wt You make it sound like Israel is an omnipotent Stalinist ruler with control over Gaza. The responsibility to allow trucks is apparently being met. What happens to the food after is not really Israel's problem. If you're going to make the argument that Israel should take a more direct action to protect the trucks, that is a separate argument.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

There is no evidence that AID trucks are being seized by hamas

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Israel LIED in the icj hearing about 70 trucks being all that's was required. Even if just 25% of the pre war aid was food that's 125-150 trucks. And that HAD to be supplemented by the little production of food that gaza was able to produce to avoid starvation spreading. This is persuant to the Israeli policy of only allowing enough calories in aid to enter gaza to keep each gazan at near starving levels. In other words the minimum amount legally required. So even if all 100 trucks were food, it's not nearly enough aid to avoid starvation. Add on top of that the fact that israel bombs airstrikes and navy bombarded aid convoys AND, As you've pointed out, there's extreme difficulty getting the aid where its needed due to the idf wantonly destroying civillian infrastructure. BTW, each truckload is 15 tons. Besides food there's water, fuel, medicine, medical supplies, blankets, etc.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Also, the idf targeted palestinians police to the point that they no longer exist and they were usually the ones tasked with distribution.

[@ReddFoxx1562]

Debates like this remind me why I generally like Destiny; in my life I am very sensitive to deceptive language and usage, and it's very frustrating when people jump to the conclusion that I have the opposite opinion of them based on me rejecting the way certain information is presented.

[@ibitedou]

Prefer the term 'loaded language', as 'deceptive language' may imply intentionality, but otherwise wholeheartedly agree.

[@ReddFoxx1562]

@ibitedou I think that "loaded" simply implies concepts not explicitly stated; to me, deceptive language doesn't need to be intentional and may also be loaded but uses word choice to obfuscate or misdirect certain levels of attention. For example, someone that got fooled into a pyramid scheme may use deceptive language before realizing that it's deceptive.

[@ibitedou]

​@@ReddFoxx1562. You have a point, loaded and deceptive do represent different use cases. I somewhat-ironically misrepresented your comment by superimposing my own viewpoint. What I was commenting is, that it's being obtuse and inattentive is a better explainer than outright deceit. With regards to the pyramid scheme, I would separate the person unwittingly evangelizing the scam from the scam itself.

[@KennyEvans-rr6we]

The inversion of language/meaning a primary warning in the book 1984! WE WERE WARNED

[@olo_smooth_olo5606]

It rains you bafoon

[@Ludwin]

Occam's razor; I'm right, you're wrong ☝🤓

[@Gopherzooka]

"the guardian is a reliable source" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 absolute clown world

[@faikerdogan2802]

I was like but guardian is a decent news media. And then it clicked 😂 maybe the same happened for him.

[@ohmyv3gatron]

you don't think they're blocking off aid?

[@heinshaaine8153]

The guardian fell off with the culture war. They died when they started to fire nondiversive staff to increase diversity.

[@noahbrown2100]

It that’s laughable , I wonder what is a reliable news source to you?

[@sutulj]

How many retraction did the BBC had to do over their coverage of this war?...😂

[@cubalarry]

People in Gaza: we are straving! there is zero food in the trucks that come here. Alex: what is in the trucks? People in Gaza: Monopoly Games, plastic chairs, bike saddles... Alex: How many trucks? People in Gaza: 500 why? Alex: you are not starvig.

[@dshappir]

I'm 1 hour into this and so far one key point is missing from the discussion: the framing of this conflict: From Israel's perspective it has wholly withdrawn out of Gaza (back in 2005), and no longer controls this area. Case in point, up until the current invasion it was wholly controlled by Hamas, which is antagonistic to Israel. Indeed, Israel considered Hamas to be the government of Gaza. As a result, the current conflict is a war between Israel and Gaza. In that context, the suffering of Gaza's population is what happens to people when their government start a war and are losing and the fighting takes place inside their country. From the perspective of many of Israel's detractors and various international organizations, Israel was still occupying Gaza all the way to October 7th. Hence the current conflict is not a war - it's a policing action. Hamas is not its government or a fighting force, just a bunch of insurgents operating in that territory, which is under Israeli control. When that is the perspective, any Israeli operation which adversely impacts Gaza's population is seen as "collective punishment". I think that second position is ridiculous.

[@evamurray2564]

Excellent summary of the situation.

[@shizz3907]

@@evamurray2564 how do you claim that the second is ridiculous when the international community other than only the US considers Gaza an occupied territory still when Israel has control over what and who enters and leaves the territory through land and sea blockades, even restricting Palestinian fishermen’s ability to fish before Oct 7th. They have complete control over the water, electricity, internet/cell service over the territory. They have always conducted military action within the territory after 2005 when they allegedly gave control of Gaza to the Palestinians all the way up to the present with air strikes. Yeah, sounds to me like Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza at all, just controls all forms of their commerce including what they’re allowed to import and prevents Gazans from leaving the territory as well unless allowed by Israel. Gaza was totally not effectively still occupied by Israel after 2005

[@Ben21756]

@@shizz3907 That's funny because Egypt imposes similar restrictions towards Gaza as Israel. They also often work in coordination with Israel to impose the blockade. To add to that, Egypt also restricts Gazan airspace, sound familiar? With all of this in mind, would you go so far as to say that Egypt is also occupying Gaza?

[@shizz3907]

@@Ben21756 Egypt doesn’t conduct Military strikes within Gaza with impunity as Israel has always done, doesn’t control Gazan critical infrastructure, doesn’t perform checks on Gazan imports and exports. No, I would say that what Egypt does does not have the same character as what Israel does.

[@Ben21756]

@@shizz3907 -Egypt doesn't conduct military strikes within Gaza +True, because they're not usually the targets of rocket fire from terrorists within Gaza. -Egypt doesn't control Gazan critical infrastructure -Yes, but neither does Israel. Before the war where the circumstances were different, critical infrastructure of Gaza was administered by Hamas. When people refer to Israel controlling the electricity supply of Gaza as an example, they usually relate to the blockade which restricts the import of gas/petrol for energy infrastructure, which mind you Egypt is also complicit in. -Egypt doesn't perform checks on Gazan imports and exports -Straight up false, Egypt is the main contributor to the blockade aside from Israel, which means imports and exports are highly restricted by Egypt.

[@Steve2016100]

Alex still performed better then Finklestien did against Destiny. Norm never tried to answer any of Destiny's questions. At least Alex tried.

[@Ill_drink_to_that]

Cause Destiny is a waste of time.

[@Steve2016100]

@@Ill_drink_to_that really? The only historian at that debate has to continuously say, "Stephen is right" because NF would just scream over him. Normally when someone resorts to name calling and insults instead of facts that means they lost the debate, unless you are Norman Finklestien.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Alex fell for the nitpicking filibuster. Norm saw through it.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

​@@Steve2016100it doesn't mean you lost he debate, it just means you're frustrated with your opponent. There's many reasons an opponent can be frustrating.

[@Rimmy45]

​​@@darrene.vonbraun4421yep in this case he was frustrated because he was losing against Destiny

[@nightknight6947]

I thought this said debate coach, and I was like oh, bet, should be a good convo. I was confused for a much longer time than I would like to admit, and am probably dyslexic.

[@mortennielsen7349]

Claims made by Alex: "acute malnutrition increased 15-fold" Based on: "Projected starvation in the future will increase from current 3% to 15 times higher" "Only 10% of the NEEDED food supply has been given since the war started (implying from october 7th to march)" Based on WFP statement: "only 10% of needed food has been supplied since start of war (in November)" "Israel is doing this intentionally" Based on "EU's top diplomat accuses Israel of using starvation as a tool of war" It's so tiring watching this, at what point does going "All third party sources agree with me" turn into "Every single source i point too has no proof for statements I'm making"

[@dvirarazi7351]

Wait, WHAT? Did he just point at Gaza on a map of ISRAEL and said, "This might be center-south-ish" as if it's a map of the Gaza Strip?? What the actual f₪ck?!?!?!

[@saintco3pcs2m95]

why everyone being so mean to alex, name a single person more open to being wrong then alex edit: nm alex is trapped in pre watch destiny mindset we in for researching just checking titles edit again: yk what fuck that Alex get no sympathy why in tf is he so bias compared to his intro on what he was like, like there is some good faith but near the end this just gets stupid, destiny just annoyed and alex out of energy to think edit: OH HELLA NAH THIS DUDE IS NOT BEING GOOD FAITH SAID HE NOT GONNA DO HIS SOURCE AFTER DESTINY SAID IT WAS FROM ISARAEL BECASUE ITS TOO LONG? and destiny gotta leave oml

[@etrs]

lmao

[@JohnStockton7459]

Alex was cringe, but this was comment was cringier

[@Autofobia1]

@@JohnStockton7459 was it was?

[@bakaslayer]

@@JohnStockton7459you misspoke 💀

[@saintco3pcs2m95]

@@JohnStockton7459 how so?

[@vortex_1336]

All these pro-Palestinian tyoes always fail to mention that every aid truck that's been turned away were rejected because they were found to have banned items on them. If they were just trying to send in food there would be no problem.

[@peterwright5311]

You realise lots of foods are banned... right? 'Why don't Hamas rebuild things?' Building materials are banned. You should really look into what has been banned, it's wild "According to a UN report, importation of lentils, pasta, tomato paste and juice has been restricted"

[@DeadLikeMeJ]

Best part was when he said it was a Jew site XD guess he let the antisemitism slip on that one XD.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

I don't think that's what he meant by that. Sounds bad though

[@DeadLikeMeJ]

​@@worsethanjoerogan8061 In most cases I will dismiss things like that as an unfortunate attempt at making up a sentence, happens to everyone. But come on the guy signs up for a cause with all his 'heart' while he can't recognize the map of the region he is talking about, not to mention have zero clue about history/biases or even having basic integrity of reading properly when quoting. That moment with 'northern Gaza' was just priceless.

[@cbs63]

Saudi Arabia’s elected as chair of the UN Commission on the Status of Women. That tells you all you need to know about UN.

[@deriznohappehquite]

The UN was just a platform for the USA and USSR to do diplomacy. Now it’s just a meme. 1 country 1 vote is unreasonable.

[@16uy9aming4]

Don't forget that Iran is the Chair of the U.N. Human Rights Council Social Forum.

[@emilylanger3882]

I love you for devoting so much of your time to discussions like this. Many greetings from Germany.

[@bigaaron]

It feels like Alex is really out of his depth on this topic

[@kasuo7039]

what did he say

[@theprinceofpie]

@@kasuo7039Saying the Guardian is the source instead of whoever they were quoting was so strange. Or accusing someone of being a contrarian during a debate when they challenge your premise.

[@coreyander286]

The redpill is sinking, cut him some slack, he knows as a businessman he needs to diversify his content and he thought, "Hey Destiny is my friend, I can do what he does and he can help me get better at it, easy--shmeezy"

[@ronniekregar3482]

​@@theprinceofpieI mean..I don't think there is a bigger contrerian on the Internet than Destiny. It's literally his calling card lol

[@theprinceofpie]

@@ronniekregar3482 Calling someone a contrarian instead of addressing their arguments is the calling card of someone who humiliated themselves. You should expect to have to justify your beliefs in a debate.

[@TimPortantno]

18:04 Destiny clearly pre-watches his own livestreams, because he's spot on. About 70 of the trucks were food before, and they were now bringing in 140... Not only did it double by truck, it's specifically 2x the amount of food they used to eat by kg(what kind of measurement is "truckload"?) before 10/7.

[@bordedup546]

yea it seems like on most days the same or more food aid comes in, based on truckloads per day, than before the war but the problem is probably distribution within gaza. it seems to be too difficult to get those trucks to the north because of the war debris on the roads and the size of these big trucks. i wish the other guy would've argued this point instead and there could've been a much more interesting debate than watching him realise in real time that his methods for media consumption lead him to bad assumptions and getting defensive about it

[@Lennart50]

whats the source on this?

[@bordedup546]

​@@Lennart50 Post war "gaza supplies and dispatches tracking dashboard" "CONGAT gaza aid (I don't know this one well but it was mentioned a few times)" Pre war "ocha Movement in and out of Gaza (November 2022 for example)"

[@mfThump]

@@bordedup546I wonder which not-military-organization could possibly be responsible for intercepting the aid that’s supposed to go to civilians.

[@williamschlass6371]

MR MUSSOLINI

[@straight-from-the-south]

Mr bussalini

[@ChunkyJo]

This was a really good discussion. really enjoyed it. thanks boys.

[@watikurniawan9130]

I just want to thank Alex for coming on here and displaying this conspicuously flawed logic on a platter for us all to witness. I don't think I have ever encountered someone as dumb as him before.

[@rehx4]

i really don't know why Destiny wastes his time with people like this... or on second thought, maybe i do... just to have someone who represents a sizeable mass of idiots who are out there who are easily swayed by propaganda, are unable to do (even moderately demanding levels of) critical thinking and are susceptible to manifesting foregone conclusions when it helps appease their emotions.

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

He was not that bad compared to a lot of others. His main issue is taking headlines and articles as facts and not critically looking at facts / numbers. And perhaps not being the best debater. He does not seem unhinged though.

[@chucknorris9786]

Cmon guys. I don't even agree with alex , but I think he did pretty well over all. If nothing else, it gave destiny some rhetorical practice for those specific arguments. Alex did a great job of creating a difficult optics landscape for destiny to try to navigate. Showing off all these established institutions that have a different conclusion than him, makes him look a little crazy to an audience that doesn't know what destiny knows. It also forces destiny to optically confront the fact that he distrusts all these institutions, even when he is normally the big, center left, institution guy.

[@0doublezero0]

@@rehx4 The fact that Destiny liberal fanbase doesn't think he drowns in his own liberal rhetoric, is the worst part about his viewers. Or maybe I should say "her."

[@kayaronalldo226]

Hasan

[@justbg]

This is what happens if you swim around in an echo chamber repeating these talking points to each other. This guy has no idea what to do every time Destiny says something disagreeing with him.

[@Sampsonoff]

That’s actually not true. Alex is Jewish (Israeli too pretty sure) and his family lives there and his brother is IDF. Alex said until recently he made right wing Zionist arguments. He said he debates it endlessly with his father. Does that mean his arguments were good? No lol. But not an echo chamber

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

No, Stephen is deflecting and filibustering by nitpicking every little detail and asking for specifics and nitpicking those details to avoid the war crimes questions.

[@Marrikable]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 He demonstrated that the Gazans are receiving more food now than they were before October 7. This isn't actually debatable, it's just a fact. We can see what the trucks contain. Pointing out that the dumb shit Alex is saying is objectively wrong isn't "nitpicking."

[@alonzoperez2470]

​@@Sampsonoffthat's funny because he claimed he is Belarusian. Now he's larping as Israeli? 😂

[@Sampsonoff]

@@alonzoperez2470 you realize there are such things as dual citizenship? His ancestors could have been Belarusian Jews many of whom migrated to Israel, others to the US. Logic was never your strength eh

[@peterranney9488]

Waiting eagerly for part 2 of the conversation, when we can find out if the attack was in south or north gaza. I think we need to do a deep dive into this topic.

[@NeoRipshaft]

2:32:32 - omfg - I laughed so hard at this - "the audio".... FROM A MILITARY DRONE 🤣😂omfg

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

The Israelis have some crazy sophisticated military tech but I don't think they are that advanced 😅

[@cbs63]

Destiny is so logical. Why have so many people like this dude lost their ability to apply logic to the Gaza dispute. Why aren't people focussed of getting rid of Hamas instead of bitching about Israel.

[@jeromyzx153]

Honestly it feels like the underdog effect. People want to blame the big guy, while supporting the small guy. Since Israel is aligned with the US it is another point to attack to say US is bad. What is funny there is an article written in 2009 on this effect where if they made Palestine the underdog people supported the 55% of the time, while if they Israel the underdog 75% of people supported them. The study was titled "The Appeal of the Underdog" in their second study.

[@skybalr]

That thumbnail is fire

[@yaaraamozig4862]

Thank you🙏🙏

[@stuff12341]

2:38:43 Did this mf just show Israel thinking it's Gaza? especially when there is picture of "Al-Nabulsi roundabout" right fucking there, showing it is located in northern part of Gaza? I thought "anti-Israel crowd can't point Gaza on the map" was just a meme, apparently not.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

He probably thinks the West Bank is West of Israel

[@user-wn1kq8jx5q]

Alex wants to debate but doesn’t know what a primary source is.. and upon being informed a dozen times over continues to refer to any website as a primary source 😂😂definitely stay in your lane brotha, whatever you think that is lol

[@user-wn1kq8jx5q]

Calls conclusions premises, thinks trucks are units of measurement.. 5 minutes wasted trying to explain to him how you’re attacking his arguments not presenting one. He literally thinks an argument is just arguing/disagreeing 🤦 He literally demonstrated the intellectual horsepower and prowess of a wet napkin. This was one of his harder to watch works. All confidence, no reason for it. Embarrassing. Don’t misunderstand me either, I’m neither agreeing with or disagreeing with his conclusion on the Israel Palestine situation… but I hope he at least understands that even if he stumbled upon the right answer the wrong ways, it doesn’t take away how embarrassing wrong, flawed and fallacy laden all his ways were. His methodology for research and understanding isn’t just lacking it’s nonexistent.. and his vocabulary to prop up his ideas is equally lacking. Get this boy off the internet lol

[@user-wn1kq8jx5q]

Last comment on this I can’t finish it lol. This isn’t a debate it’s Destiny teaching Alex definitions and research methodologies lol. Am I the only one that regularly catches myself overwhelmed with envy/jealousy at the amount of confidence the undeserving so routinely wield?🤔😂🤐

[@user-wn1kq8jx5q]

Last last comment I swear! I found a redeeming element of this debate and that’s the goofy ass, one eye half squinted, falling hairline center stage faces Alex made every time he was either trying to understand something or trying to find his vaguely argument supporting quote within an article which, when full context is included, does the exact opposite 😂😂 this can’t be a serious person

[@Donkey_schlong]

This is such a good representative sample of the conflict; Accusatory claims based on misleading information, reliance on “third party organizations”, speculation, obfuscation

[@henryburton6529]

reliance on “third party organizations”, you mean "the establishment"..... so you're saying don't trust institutions, that's what you're saying?

[@Donkey_schlong]

@@henryburton6529 im saying anyone can say anything, including third party organizations. The content is whats important and what destiny is rightfully analyzing

[@BrendanishLeo]

Something tells me, the fifteenth "can you link me this article" "sure, give me 5 minutes to find it" that Alex didn't read basically a single thing before this debate, he just collected headlines

[@agentmossad]

I love how he just goes "I got to do a deep dive into the source" and doesn't even look at the information the source is providing. He just immediately starts pointing out what he considers the "bad things" about the site. This is not someone debating in good faith. 🤣🤣😂😂

[@werdjones]

Dating coach lmao

[@tashgodoffools]

Trust those who seek truth... But question those who claim to have found it...

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Sounds dum

[@tashgodoffools]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 Maybe... But it does prevent you from believing a majority of ridiculous bullshit / narratives different people push simply to further their agenda...

[@rissaromero6097]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421you sound dum

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

@@tashgodoffools okay, that's a fair point. It must get exhausting independently verifying every little detail of everything, though. Godspeed to you.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 You don't have to be independent if they show how they verified or obtained data. When someone claims to have the answers back by data/evidence etc it's always important to check the validity of said evidence. If it was a study check how it was conducted because studies can give misleading info if the method of testing was shoddy or bad and sometimes you can draw incorrect conclusions even if the data itself is correct. When it comes to evidence if you see numbers reported by the IDF or Hamas then obviously be skeptical and see if independent organisations can verify those things etc.

[@mofishin2648]

Looks like he gets brain freeze when he reads, that would explain none of the information getting through

[@BruceLee-qc2lm]

bro Destiny has talked to Alex for a while, no need to ad-hom because he has a different ideology

[@ghostbirdlary]

bro alex was super bad faith in this debate.@@BruceLee-qc2lm

[@mofishin2648]

@@BruceLee-qc2lm He squints like crazy when he reads, not that serious bro lol. Different ideology? Whatever his ideology is he's having a hard time explaining. He's just pulling up random stuff off of twitter that he clearly hasn't actually read or just didn't understand what he read.

[@limitless5930]

@@mofishin2648I agree that Alex has some dumb points, but in his defense, he is sitting six inches from his monitor and that shit is gonna fuck up his eyes. He needs to sit back a bit and/or get BLF glasses lmao

[@mofishin2648]

@@limitless5930 100%

[@BornInsane0]

Thumbnail goes hard tho

[@leptir1]

Is part 2 in here?

[@amritsekhon4937]

I have one million points on yasuo, and have played league since 8 years old.

[@chase6549]

Proves that mentally, you’re still 8 years old. Now, as an enlightened Yone main…

[@Wildminecraftwolf]

i have 1.6 mill, played since i was 16.

[@Byron804]

damn, 4 years of playing league? thats a lot

[@collette6531]

I have 7mil, played since I was 32

[@felipemendes5604]

I have man boobs, played since 1945

[@AznDudeIsOn]

I think Alex has a lot of common talking points though among the average populace, so it is a great debate from that aspect alone

[@TonyBagadonuts]

If you get DOT stopped going from one city in your state to another - in the same state - and your weight is off or your load sheets don’t match what you’re hauling - you, the driver of the truck, are in career fucking up trouble. Point being, all freight is very diligently tracked AND that info has to be readily available.

[@PigPissBeUponThem]

The only one having a conversation is Tiny Alex is literally reading a script. All he says is let me google something I can word vomit 20 times like Occums Razor….

[@Pico_444]

This was, in fact, not the best Israel/Palestine debate ever

[@16uy9aming4]

lol

[@eyala4222]

"I think this is another Jewish site" - Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about this guy 2:18:18

[@CraigTalbert]

Exactly. This whole “third parties are more reliable, even if they’re dictators” is crazy.

[@eyala4222]

@@CraigTalbert He knows most “human rights” organizations are biased against Israel so he prefers to adopt what they say without a shred of scrutiny.

[@deadrot990]

I first read the title of the video as “Debate Coach…,” quickly realized something was wrong (ie me).

[@robboutilieractual]

44:32 Alex not understanding trucks made me lmao

[@filiplaskowski410]

Now i know where gaza is thanks alex

[@matzan481]

To determine the number of food meals in 20 tons, we need to know the average weight of a food meal. This can vary significantly depending on factors such as the type of food, portion size, and nutritional content. However, for a rough estimate, let's assume an average meal weight of around 0.5 kilograms (500 grams) per meal. Now, we can calculate the number of meals in 20 tons: 1 ton = 1000 kilograms So, 20 tons = 20,000 kilograms If each meal weighs approximately 0.5 kilograms: Number of meals = Total weight (in kilograms) / Weight per meal (in kilograms) = 20,000 kilograms / 0.5 kilograms per meal = 40,000 meals So, there would be approximately 40,000 food meals in 20 tons, based on the assumed average meal weight. times 90 trucks per day it's 3,600,000

[@angryfan370]

It is even less complicated than that. A standard 53 ft trailer has 26 spots for pallets. A pallet could hold 1 ton of apples or 1 ton of flour. The one ton of flour could feed way more people than a ton of apples. A person needs 2k calories to survive a pound of flour is 1500 calories. If they switched to dehydrated potatoes 1 pound would be 1800 calories. a truck load is usually around 40k pounds . In an ideal situation you could feed over 2 million people with 60 truck loads.

[@DLtheGreat]

What made Alex think he studied enough for this convo? Im genuinely surprised.

[@orangetaho4u207]

During an April 2011 radio interview with Talk1300 in Albany, Donald Trump stated, "I have a great relationship with the blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the blacks." In conclusion, America had always had a great relationship with the blacks. I quoted the president of the nation therefore its the policy of the entire nation, right? 🤔

[@--Daniel--]

What? not everything is about the blacks, no one cares

[@DomAtaGlance]

Yep. For an even more recent example, US Pres Joe Biden tells a crowd in Poland, late in 2022 that Vladimir Putin "cannot remain in power". It is however NOT the policy of nor is it the aim of any portion of the United States government to remove vladimir Putin from office.

[@lordlorian81]

That dude reminds of something There was a some politician in Russia That wanted to prove that minimum wage was enough to survive a month He said he will showcase it on himself That he will live one month on that money The funny thing was he did buy the low cost stuff and payed rent in a simple house But the money ended after a week or so Then he started explaining why he failed while still protecting that minimum wage is enoght to survive a month ))))

[@Insomnia1221yt]

This was the debate of all time.

[@robboutilieractual]

Alex is so incredibly dumb on this subject that this was actually entertaining.

[@Paragonofcynicism]

Can't believe I made it 40 minutes into this. This is basically just Destiny trying to show this guy how to actually do research and he doesn't get it. To make an analogy this guy is like, "so this guy is claiming someone talked to him through a burning bush so God is real and we should do x in his name" Destiny: "wait a second, was this guy high when the Bush 'talked to him'?" This guy: "The only reason you would ask that is because you're skeptical that God exists, why can't you just accept God talked to this guy through a burning bush?" Like this is bog standard research. This guy doesn't do anything beyond the first step of research which is, find something that on the surface seems to confirm my conclusion. Unfortunately, this is all that most people are interested in doing or perhaps more scarily it's all they know how to do because school never taught them anything else. This is why I watch Sitch and Adam. Because Sitch autistically digs into every claim. I'm glad Destiny has started doing this too, after finally getting out of his far lefty arc.

[@pete6300]

@ 2:12:46. Imagine being so caught up in propaganda you think a country has a moral imperative to directly supply their enemies with water and electricity. In no conflict ever has that been expected. Im not even a fan of Isreal but that is wild.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

It is IHL that an occupying force MUST see to these things. PALESTINIANS ARE NOT THE ENEMY. F&ck, dude.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Is real does have an obligation to provide water food, electricity and fuel to the population, which they occupy its international humanitarian law look it up.

[@melm295]

Israel does not occupy Gaza. And Gaza has several sources of electricity and water aside from Israel. Most of the issues w those utilities is the result of hamas taking apart the efficienct, new, modern infrastructure that Israel built there and then left for palistineans.​@@darrene.vonbraun4421

[@deriznohappehquite]

I mean, we worked hard to get water and electricity running in Iraq, but that was after we defeated the Iraqi military took control of the country. Hamas hasn’t laid down their arms.

[@deriznohappehquite]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 The reality on the ground is that they don’t occupy, for instance, Rafah.

[@MrDeus4ko]

Fright is usually calculated in calories , however, this can get tricky when shipping water matches which generally don’t have any. We need to interview the truck drivers to figure out what’s going on.

[@pitybreaker6625]

That thumbnail goes hard

[@sutulj]

‏‪2:34:30‬‏ Lil bro actually think that a country will release military drone photege chuck full of intel on the whereabouts of the different military units in an active war zone😂😂

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

I don't know why Destiny didn't point that out. Do they actually think the IDF will just release unedited drone footage?

[@hrknesslovesu]

That thumbnail bruh August doing Alex dirty

[@davidhoffman2311]

Lmfao yeah honestly that was a bit much xD

[@_Addi_]

How? Its a cool thumbnail lol.

[@collette6531]

@@_Addi_Chat was commenting saying he reads with one eye and that he needs glasses etc.

[@davidhoffman2311]

@@_Addi_ yeah it’s funny but he just dumb, not extreme xD

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

It's better than the same pfp he always uses which is a catfish btw because he looks more like Quasimodo than he let's on lol

[@scottcornford1644]

there is good records on how much the solders of the Stalingrad pocket were receiving and at which point they started dropping dead keeping in mind that they would be in a cold and there is a portion that were on combat duty and a portion that weren't

[@chris_tine1430]

Humanitarian aid is assistance that’s used to relieve suffering during emergency situations. This is different from development aid, which is assistance that goes to addressing ongoing issues that contribute to human suffering. To think about it a bit more, we can say that, in general, humanitarian aid directly benefits people while development aid is used to improve structural systems

[@MrFelixify]

How is Israel an occupying power? Didn't they leave Gaza 20 years ago?

[@wingofshu]

Israel is controlling and occupying west bank and Gaza is a open air prison, Israel is an aphartide state

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Apparently it's somehow still occupation because they won't let a murderous terrorist organization freely import weapons.

[@skontheroad]

Yes, almost. Total disengagement was in 2006.

[@MrFelixify]

@@skontheroad So i guess the "occupation" wokies, lefties and Palestine supporters really are referring to is Israels existence then.

[@NickWustrack]

At the start he assumed most of the 500 trucks/day were food and aid. Then an article said that now there are only 80 trucks/day. Another article said an increase of 40 trucks were needed. So 120 trucks, round it up to 200. Still not the majority of the trucks pre war

[@AruthaSilverthorn]

What were the two sources discussed around 48:00?

[@Jobe-13]

It’s something I never expected, but I’m pleased with an Israel-Palestine debate between Destiny and Alex.

[@B_heron]

Alex should stick to PUA content. Geopolitics are way beyond him 🤣

[@rotemtomhagbi1937]

This one came super quick .

[@noncekilla8848]

Norman Finklestiene is definitely a joke, he does Palastine zero favours.

[@lighting7508]

The biggest success of that 5 hour debate is discrediting finkelstein. The man entered with the prestige of being a learned scholar and left as an absolute jokeman. I really didn’t realise he was this unserious and unhinged.

[@wingofshu]

Finklestiene and his partner dog walked destiny and same problem popes up here destiny didn't provide his own evidence and Wikipedia is nice to jump from with the sources at the bottom but Wikipedia is not good alone

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

That is an esoteric dgg belief.

[@3magikarpinamansuit281]

@@wingofshu He only opens Wikipedia here once and thats for the south gaza map.

[@dion5804]

What surprised me the most in that debate was Finkelstein not knowing some shit while claiming that he's the maximum authority in this subject and also his childish behavior insulting Destiny just because he got caught in some blind spots. I was expecting a more mature and controlled behavior from him due to his age.

[@juan91617]

The debate was over the second he was proven to not have even read these articles. It seems like hes arguing that the ends justify the means.

[@wombat5274]

To be fair, Alex the Neanderthal probably did read the article. The problem is his lack of basic media literacy skills. He is incapable of critically processing and retaining information.

[@Nettamorphosis]

Is Destiny just gonna “Isn’t it kinda weird…” his way thru this debate

[@wisemage0]

He must have met a cute Palestinian woman.

[@cpt.kagoul]

46:37 What link is this? (The better data)

[@dru70292]

Apply this logic for how the media reports numbers to COVID lol. Reporting on occupancy rates instead of admissions. Reporting deaths with COVID or even just COVID-like symptoms instead of deaths from COVID. 😂🤣

[@PurpleColonel]

600 views in 10 minutes? Fell off hard

[@noncekilla8848]

Look up the definition of “fallen off hard” it the encyclopaedia and there is a photo of Hamas Piker

[@bumpyinspace_]

Tiny got tinier

[@deadxsoldier8810]

it's a part of a vod channel most ppl watch the main and the other majority just watches the whole vod and not part

[@noncekilla8848]

@@bumpyinspace_ inverted at this point

[@PurpleColonel]

@@noncekilla8848 that means he'll start growing again

[@ChickenJoe12]

7:22 the basis of this guys entire argument is that Israel is an “occupying power” Yet fails to mention when they *won* that territory in the 6 Day War and chose not to annex the territory because they didn’t want it.. Putting an embargo on a territory that’s full of terrorists out to destroy you *is not* an occupation.. if that was the case the USA has been occupying Cuba for like 60ish years now..

[@shizz3907]

They don’t just embargo, they control who enters and exits, water, electricity, cell service/internet, commerce, conduct unilateral military actions in the territory even after 2005, enforce a blockade against Gaza, even restricted fishing off the shore of Gaza by Palestinians before the events of Oct 7th. Comparing Israel’s relationship with Gaza to the US’s with Cuba is the most disingenuous framing possible. America doesn’t conduct military action in Cuba, doesn’t blockade Cuba, doesn’t control critical infrastructure that Cuba relies on, doesn’t prevent people in Cuba from exiting Cuba without explicit permission, doesn’t control Cuba’s ability to import what they want from other countries. Like there’s so much that is dissimilar from the two situations that it’s comical that you’d make this comparison you’re either not fully thinking about what you’re saying or really just being disingenuous

[@ffff7164]

@@shizz3907 look up the Cuban missilde crisis and gitmo military base . America does control what goes in and out of Cuba.