Contest Salvation's Edge was so tough that I considered raid race retirement.

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

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[@KevinBrevin]

Straightened up in pride month. Datto how dare you! 😂😂😂

[@never3nder]

Missed opportunity for a sunset vault cleaning reference

[@sciji3118]

Datto! Love your humor brother! Ty for being our Destiny Daddy.

[@RafaPai84]

The milestones in Destiny's 10 years life are... The Taken King, Forsaken, The Witch Queen, and now The Final Shape. Do you guys understand that Bungie is a great developer, it just happens, like with any other studio, they NEED 2 to 3 years minimun, to develop a good game. The fact that they delivered so much content in between is a testament to their talent. Yeah, they made some mistakes along the way, but me too with my life in this 10 years journey. Guess nothing is perfect in this universe, or maybe it's perfect been imperfect, whole knows? Thank you Bungie.

[@SirCamWA]

Sponsor segments of yours are some of the few I actually enjoy watching :)

[@ateriskrex2744]

Datto post Root: “I want harder raids” Datto post Salvation: “Damn, harder raids got hands”

[@onefastsled]

I mean, this was a BIT too far in the other direction. We meant reprised Crota hard, not the battering ram treatment.

[@dankerbell]

you know it's difficult when you stop to consider "damn, maybe i'm really not like that" halfway through 😭

[@somnium4256]

😂 I wanted to try it so bad and seen it took the first team like 20 plus hours I was like nah I’m good

[@MrRemi1992]

​@@somnium4256I felt the same but beat it this week. The first 3 encounters are easy, 4th sucks, and the witness fight is a lot of constant moving.

[@floppydisksareop]

@@somnium4256 Yeah. I was in my clan's "B Team". We spent 6 hours on first encounter. Realized that not only wasn't the raid done but people much better than us were mostly stuck on third encounter. Then we went to sleep and decided not to even try. I feel like I did the right choice, even if I was a bit bummed we didn't really stand any sort of chance

[@ajbolt7]

@@floppydisksareopIMO knowing you’re not going to be able to get the full clear doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try. Gotta see just how far you can get, it’s a contest after all and you’ll never get to experience it again.

[@garrettg4533]

@@ajbolt7 that was the worst raiding experience ive had in my life. tried that shit with an lfg and wanted to swan dive off my roof. couldnt even beat the first encounter

[@TheWittingJoker22]

12:25 Bungie finally accepted drip as endgame mechanic with 4th encounter

[@Technizor]

Legatus Helmet has its day in the sun now... Extremely tall Titan helm, go!

[@jessemidel]

I watched you the whole time and even I considered retiring 😂

[@Dimerrukr]

Definition of nothing to do with

[@AlphaSilverhawk]

Even through the time he hid his screen on stream and just watched his face cam? Lol

[@immense0281]

You definitely didn't watch the whole thing

[@jessemidel]

@@AlphaSilverhawk I was burnt out by then, but I still had the stream up while I was playing.

[@jessemidel]

@@immense0281 had his stream on until the team took a break.

[@aaronl1998]

I was overjoyed to complete the first encounter after 7 hours with an LFG fireteam. It was brutal. We wanted to pick it up the next day but saw you still streaming and decided we were not built for it.

[@Grassdia]

Yeah beating encounter 1 was my day 1 completion done

[@ryanlong6579]

I got pretty close a couple times the first day. Everyone was great. DPS supers out the yin-yang and tormentor was gone within seconds every time. Eventually went to sleep and tried to join up on groups day two. It was insane. Nobody knew anything or could stay alive. Later on someone joined that had like 60 resilience and that was their highest stat + no armor mods and double primary. For me wave frames made clearing rooms easy but all I kept hearing was "guardian down". I just went to go play overwatch to experience further suffering. Sorry PTSD I guess

[@thenexus7343]

Doing that with a lfg team is impressive!

[@NeExil]

Same here. I was like *yeah, ima try the contest mode the next day* and then i hear people arent even halfway done so i just finished up all the pale heart stuff.

[@shaunkennedy174]

You found an LFG fire team that didn’t get throw a tantrum and kick you after an hour? And wasn’t toxic to you? Damn that’s insane if so

[@DontEatCream]

The sheer number of Godslayers walking into this raid on day 1, thinking they were hot shit, and getting absolutely smashed will never be not funny to me

[@amsalamander7521]

I was one of those, this raid kicked my ass hard 😂 but it was so fun, I want more

[@isaacfuqua7434]

I was one of them too. I thought I had a shot because my team almost did Crota the last race. We didn’t have our team together for RoN which was sad cuz we fs could’ve gotten that one. I did pantheon ez with my team but this raid was just smth else man 😭😂 Loved every second of it though. I got first encounter done with a ragtag team cuz people on my team gave up. Took me 14 hours but idk, I’m proud and I’m excited for the next race. Hopefully I can improve in that time to get the clear 🫡

[@SomeCrazyAlaskan]

I'm a Godslayer I didn't even try because Godslayer with LFG nearly broke me. Once I saw it took Cross 5 hours to do encounter 1 I knew I wasn't about to suffer a blind raid with LFGs at this difficulty. Nope. No thank you.

[@martingonzalez3629]

When I was trying to LFG in the days leading up to raid I did not have Godslayer as a requirement because being good on a day 1 is completely different from running encounters you're already familiar with at a power disadvantage. At the end of the day Godslayer did not matter, you needed to have been people like Datto, Cross, Salt, ATP, and of course the number 1 team whose names escape me.

[@truv_]

i think you were the only one thinking they were “hot shit”

[@Bugattiboy912]

"Sort of Elitist Datto" That still counts. Welcome back. He returned when we needed him the most.

[@NotReal-187]

Elitist Datto's pride was kicked in the nuts by the Witness as a part of the Final Shape

[@LordTonzilla]

"and her first name is Travel. Try deleting the word Travel from the Internet." I love these ad reads

[@hmx8694]

Datto is married to The Traveller? 😮

[@GosHawk9000]

People bringing up Plato's allegory of the cave when trying to figure out Verity was hilarious.

[@phoenix9531]

From what I saw Broman said it only as a little neat - if slightly pretentiously presented - interpretation of the encounter on a meta-level. Not as an actual clue for figuring out the mechanics.

[@YardsaleAbsurdity]

@@phoenix9531people took the idea and ran with it

[@eranronen573]

Now that you say it it makes sense, aside from the literal shadows on the wall there is a truth that the prisoners can't see and wow this is deep

[@Daisy_Chainnn]

lmao some real "lets count dragons as birds" energy

[@fort809]

@@phoenix9531watching streamers google who Plato was during the race was funny, if not a little bit sad

[@thealldayspecial]

I give you a ton of credit for being one of the old heads still at it but it is kinda wild how not only has the competition changed so much, but the bar has been raised through the heavens to get that realistic first place finish or even just a respectable 2 digit finish. It's like you'd have to basically dedicate a larger portion of your play time and discard a lot of your career to just get to that level of competitiveness and still there's a ton of ways to go. The people with frame perfect precision in their damage output who willingly jump back into the remaining hours of contest difficulty, try to sort out strats while the raid is still fresh are on a such a different level of play and to stay competitive in that environment is extremely difficult. I am not surprised these competitions now have a ton of "unknown nobodies" crushing a lot of familiar big names. Also I've said this before but Mork is 100% the most underrated person in Math Class and it is stupid how much weight he pulls for you guys, give that guy a raise, holy crap!

[@war.v27]

Hearing one of the world’s top raiders reinforce the importance of breaks during an extended period of time is nice. My anecdote for this is from day 1 VotD, we were walled on exhibition for almost 5 hours, not a great show. Took a 30 min break, came back, cleared the enc first try, went on to drop Rhulk in about 5 attempts. Few things are as valuable as a mental reset in such activities.

[@anoemuser310]

Dropping Rhulk in 5 attempts is insane. Bravo!

[@deadclicks]

Actual god comp to clear rhulk in 5 attempts holy shit

[@Bownzinho]

It’s funny that he’s reinforcing breaks when their big break was HOURS after the race for first place was over. Difficulty to sympathise that stupidity

[@war.v27]

@@Bownzinho So…..raid racers didn’t sleep until world’s first? No way, bro. Almost like it’s a race to finish or something. Way different scenario for the average contest clear and a top 100 finish.

[@lck0ut348]

As a high-end raider in a different game, where the raid races for the hardest fights take up to, if not more than, a week (Ultimates in FFXIV), breaks are a must. Any team competing for world first plans around 16h a day of raiding, with regular breaks for mental reset and/or food. This is even done on the game's equivalent of a contest mode race, where world first usually takes between 14 hours and 2-3 days, depending on how lenient damage checks are and how easy it is to decipher the mechanics.

[@ReviXyOfficial]

keep in mind that last wish for a decent part took that long because of the power difference as well. Ofc vault was still there but the enemies being +40 didnt help

[@-Benja]

Wait what??? Back then day 1 raid were -40?!

[@SamDePrez]

@@-Benja most people did not manage to reach power cap before the raid and were under power

[@Squishy_Potatoes]

@@-Benjaback then the contest mode modifier wasn’t even a thing yet. The best way to grind power that we knew of at the time in forsaken for the day 1 race was to farm prime engrams in a lost sector. Even with that farm teams still were minimum 30+ under with no real damage resistance like we have now (resilience, resist chestpiece mods, well, renewal grasps etc.)

[@nexus2691]

That makes this raid race even more impressive. It wasn't bullet sponging bullshit, massive damage checks or anything, it was genuinely complex mechanics with hard hitt8ng enemies that required near perfect execution to even have a shot at beating am encounter.

[@TwistedxGamer101]

@@-BenjaOhhhhh yeah. I think teams being -30-40 power under in Last Wish is what ended up inspiring Bungie to make Contest Mode. We went from vanilla D2 power leveling to Forsaken’s new method of leveling. No one really knew the best methods for leveling at the time. Everyone who entered Last Wish ended up super under leveled by the Vault encounter as the raid encounters increased in power level. Outside of Vault being the massive puzzle it was at the time, if players were at proper power level Riven likely wouldn’t have been as harsh as it was. Also, on top of that you have the fact we went from double primary to the loadouts we have now, so builds and optimization with weapons weren’t nearly as fleshed out.

[@ajbolt7]

First contest mode I’ve failed to clear in 4 years, haven’t fallen short since Garden. What an experience this raid was though. Absolutely fantastic the whole way through even if it kicked my team’s ass for 35 hours. Never even saw the Witness lmao. I’ve missed this level of challenge and mechanical engagement, so glad they made something comparable to Last Wish release.

[@Shinybook51]

Completed Deep Stone through RoN, not Crota because of lack of interest and stepping away from the game for a while. Found a new team for this one and made it to Witness but sleep deprivation got to everyone and we just couldn't quite pull through. Disappointing finish but still overall remarkable experience.

[@Speif]

wow thats crazy - what encounter did you get to?

[@Punmate]

I got humbled from DSC to VoG, like people did from RoN to Crota. If I wasn't, would have every Day 1 in a row since DSC. 190 for my team. Banger ass raid. But let me tell you, the D2 burnout and lack of will to play did not hit this hard in so long since DOING that first Day 1 on DSC.

[@ajbolt7]

@@Speif my team only made it to 4th encounter. 2nd encounter took us over 10 hours to do and 3rd encounter took an embarrassingly long time which hit the team mental a bit.

[@williamrobinson7900]

me and my two friends have attempted every day 1 since vow but only completed root. We've always felt capable of completing day 1s and we were really motivated for this one so we finally went out and found some like-minded players and whilst we only got to 4th encounter and it stings that we couldn't get it done, it was still an absolute blast regardless.

[@djvicente2677]

6:58 i happened to watch this moment live, it was legit so tragic cause the team couldve finished it on third phase, and it exemplified how perfect the execution was for day one on this one

[@GeremyG]

Bungie took your RoN video to heart

[@AznJsn82091]

They took it personally

[@Espio]

You'll always be a legend Datto, doesn't matter the placement you end with. Like you said you've got Silvers and Bronze's to your name and for a while there in Salvation's Edge you were trail blazing. You leapfrogged teams in Variety who ended up spending nearly triple the time there. Was rooting for you all the way, no matter the future you're in the contest raid scene, you should be proud.

[@dashekboone]

4:09 Stasis psion has put new fear in my heart after this raid

[@fuzzy3383]

Attendants don’t mess around.

[@joshuamagruder2241]

I knew it was some real shit when I watched Aztecross' stream at the start of the race, lived through a full day, played myself, went to bed, woke up at 11 the next morning and saw these MFS on like the third or fourth encounter still. Bungie cooked

[@kilojuliet4]

Yeah going to bed day 1, when people were on last encounter, then waking up and seeing streamers STILL ON last encounter was the most surreal feeling. Not often you see someone pull one task the entire length of your sleep cycle, definitely had me questioning the time.

[@LordOhmes]

I am so happy to hear your positive perspective on all your accolades in day one raiding😊 you truly have been in the race nearly every single time and have been so close many many times! Don't give up, this is what you play for!

[@syddii]

8:05 you have no idea how great this makes me feel. My team got stuck on second encounter and until you said these words I had been lamenting the fact that maybe i'm not cut out for contest raiding. I knew that a lot of teams had trouble with second encounter but *THE* Datto describing exactly how I felt made me realize I wasn't alone in feeling tossed around by Herald.

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

I remember running this Day 1 and telling my team "we're on pace with the world's first race!" while running first encounter since everyone was on there for like 6 hours 😂

[@eranronen573]

Why are you speaking like it was years ago "I remember running this day one", yeah, it was like a week ago

[@afri2n]

@@eranronen573😭chill

[@ChandoraBox]

For real 😭

[@Joaquin-rd3km]

That's not right though. 1st encounter was cleared on like 3 hours, people got stuck on 2nd for like 6 hours, and then on 4th.

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

@@Joaquin-rd3km I guess I was mostly referencing Azteccross's stream, he was stuck on encounter 1 longer than Saltagreppo and Datto. His stream was the one we used to cope

[@snottytoe6957]

Migraines are like pulling your teeth out with pliers while slamming your balls in a car door but all the pain goes to your head instead.

[@logan09144]

Don't forget the nausea!

[@Somejaun]

@@logan09144but once you throw up it doesn’t hurt anymore

[@lukewuzhere1000]

It's like every time your heart beats it's pumping last dab straight into your brain

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Migraines are far less painful than hurting your balls. I'm not sure why you think this.

[@spicysnowman8886]

That has got to be some evolutionary or genetic error. there's no way that's a natural thing that should be happening.

[@ghcdy]

Honestly this was my favorite raid race by miles. We had a similar situation where we would have gotten high placement had we stuck it out, but after I threw up due to exhaustion and another teammate had to dip, we decided to take a break and cleared just after you. This race was everything I had hoped for, but I never expected Last Wish 2.0 to ever happen. I'm glad it did.

[@EntityEntity]

When even Elitist Datto is smoked from the raid, you know it was a hard one

[@dongdoodler]

First-third amazing. 4th horrible encounter confusing and not hard. 5th slightly too easy imo the hardest part were people being screwed in damage the other parts were way too easy

[@superior_nobody07]

​@@dongdoodler4th encounter was perfect. Best puzzle encounter in the history of raiding

[@Marauders5]

We sat for 8 hours on the first encounter. Then we finally beat it. But after another 8 hours on the first boss we quit the contest mode full stop and let the 48 hours pass before continuing. The teams that beat it under 48 hours has my praise.

[@Darkeye570]

Me and my friends were foolish enough to think that it might be a root of nightmares situation and tried it also on contest. We didnt even get past the first encounter and with alot of us being super underleveled we all just watched you in the race. And after going to bed and still seeing you on made me realise that this raid truly was special. They really kicked everyones ass this time.

[@never3nder]

It's also worth pointing out that a large part of Last Wish being so hard was that people were under level at the time, whilst everyone who wanted to do Salvation should have been able to get to the cap in time for day one

[@dotdot3179]

No, it was because of the vault and riven, similar to this raid.

[@JasonRRedmond]

@dotdot3179 It was definitely more on the power level at the time, you more or less needed to abuse the prime engram bug to have a chance.

[@cwj2733]

@@JasonRRedmondi would agree with this fact if it were not for datto being 2 minutes behind 24 hr timer. definitely vault and riven being a pain in the ass. it took sweat like 9 hours to clear vault

[@JasonRRedmond]

@cwj2733 if wish had been a contest raid it would have had a significantly larger number of clears, the issue was players were out of the race from the get go if they didn't abuse prime engrams glitching. That and less active players attempting the raid in general.

[@Razorly-]

@@JasonRRedmond Yeah, Last Wish had a massive barrier to entry. At least with Contest mode, everyone can hop in and participate.

[@JizzMaster98]

The funniest thing for me and my team is on the fourth encounter we just began measuring how long we were there by saying things like “ Jesus we have been here for 3 root of nightmares”

[@the_maker1841]

This raid is a fun one, couldn't partake in day 1 as i was getting married and off to honeymoon. But got back and ran through with my clan, learned the mechanics and honestly a litrle mind blow by all those who figured them out. I am usually good and mechanics yet this raid had some encounters that would of stumped me for a while. Mainly 4th and 5th, 1st and 3rd were pretty straightforward and 2nd would of also tested my team as a whole lol. Fun raid to do and glad this was the level we got, LF had me sweating this was going to flop

[@rawpie2]

it was miserable even for people with placements you got lucky lmao

[@uhqliss8537]

​@@rawpie2As someone whos spent months progressing a single raid in WoW, whats with the destiny community bitching when a raid takes more than 2 hours to fully clear?

[@rawpie2]

@@uhqliss8537 you haven't done any gm content or anything IG from this statement, if these things were Venn diagrams they would be In 2 different buildings in 2 different cities

[@uhqliss8537]

@@rawpie2 No I havent because I dont think destiny is that fun outside of contest mode raiding. Just commenting on what i see which is a community that likes to bitch when anything is hard.

[@royceomani5127]

Since no one else wants to say it, congrats on the marriage

[@jellybackjoe]

As someone who’s enjoyed your content since vanilla D1- hearing the way you felt about 2nd Encounter on contest honestly makes me feel SO much better about how much the Herald kicked my ass. Any in-game confidence I had built up was completely demolished that day so it’s pretty comforting to know that even people in the top bracket were struggling. GGs on your clear; I’m glad Bungie gave us something insane to finish out the saga.

[@45Thawk]

8:05 "Defeatist Datto"

[@AstrumKitten091]

The fact you considered retirement is crazy because I considered even giving up on contest mode after this one thinking I wasn't good enough for it anymore... but the fact that someone like you even considered a similar thing actually helps me keep myself up too. I am usually pretty good at day 1's but this one was so far far far above any other raid they released it did shake my faith in myself lol.

[@kat-rau.]

This was the first ever Destiny raid that felt like I'd returned to my roots. I started hardcore raiding in WoW, where raids go uncleared for WEEKS, not just 24-48 hours like D2 raids have always been. What you mentioned at the start, that everything had to be perfect to clear, that's how WoW's final few Mythic bosses are in the first month before we're all geared. Everyone has to play perfect to get the kill. That's the level I'm looking for in Destiny RWF. I want some shit that even the best teams in the world are spending days (at the LEAST) to clear. That level of toughness has never been in Destiny, and SE was the first glimpse of it. I hope they go harder. They at least have to push it hard enough that someone like me, who just plays with 5 friends (though they are very good), can't even scratch the Content Mode emblem.

[@urticantspoon9960]

The fact that Datto mentions that some people are questioning Titan’s place in a raid is so fricken true though. Titans are useful for a few things but hunters are dps cannons and warlocks have well, so both have a guaranteed spot on the fireteam no matter what. Titans however…when’s the last time someone asked for a titan to join the raid team? DSC for Atraks-1 and even then blade barrage hunter with parasite can beat that if you get enough of them. The one unique role I can think of for titans is the solar titan super glitch in Taken King during the sisters encounter, where you can steal both sisters shields and do dmg to both of them by desyncing with the game on solar titan (and that is clearly not intended). Would be interested to know other roles considered Titan necessary, but I can’t think of anymore besides survivability, and ad clear.

[@paleh0rs3]

It is really tough considering titans ranged options pale in comparison to the other classes same with utility options like the shield or bubble vs well. They got good ad clear in strand and stasis but when on raids its dps or bust. Tcrash harness or fire sholders hammer for that one slam are good but gotta get up close for one or end up in ones face for another and thats a waste of a rez token.and i love titan but man its hard to sell it to anyone besides it makes people mad in crucible as much as all the other classes 😅

[@Moon_Truth9000]

Man, 2nd encounter with those attendants freezing you so you couldn’t hit the plate was so nerve racking. Absolute peak

[@choco699]

I consider this raid to be the FFXIV of Destiny. It’s not combat, it’s not puzzles, it’s a dance. You and your “partners” are demanded perfection because every death costs more than you can imagine, it costs your rhythm. You need to find where the steps are so you don’t stand on others toes, and you need to know where you can get back on your feet. And I love that. It’s a great approach to raiding and I hope to see more in the future.

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

My team didn't even make it past first encounter...LMAO. I wanted to cry so bad. My half of the team would mess up, for sure, but when we split 3 for 3 my team MORE than majority of the time would do perfectly fine, but the other 3 could not survive at all. It was painful... 😂 I gave in and just decided to continue to watch the stream than banging my head against the wall. It was a chaotic, fun and crazy raid race for salvation's edge. It was crazy to wake up and see so many teams were still at the final encounter.

[@skettlesfart]

I had pretty much the same experience. I still had motivation to beat AT LEAST the 1st encounter but my team gave up after 9 hours and I didn't bother to continue the raid after going to sleep and finding out teams still hadn't cleared

[@fastflack8194]

Yeah, same here. Got stuck on 1st for over 12 hours

[@MrCliftron]

I was in the exact same situation. 48 whole hours of never seeing anything past the 1st room was pure torture. Only 3 of us in my clan have gotten a clear even after contest mode because you do really have to be paying attention.

[@hypernebula8711]

I cried too, just decided I was awful at everything and haven’t played a raid since. I just know that I’m garbage and my team probably hates me

[@matthewmccaskill5066]

We had the same issue. Ended up going 4 and 2 instead of 3 and 3 for this reason haha

[@Goose683]

10:30 I don't know if it was mental exhaustion from just sitting there watching the race for so long but when I heard that teams were on wikipedia learning about Plato's cave I just couldn't help but laugh. Vertify just cooked the shit out of everyone

[@MattEnters]

My team wiped on Witness final stand at 12:52pm, but even with that contest was awesome. Don't know if I'm built for the all-nighters at this age so probably will be my last, but huge props to Bungie for pushing the difficulty up!

[@ARavingLobster]

Remember, getting Still Hunt was a REQUIREMENT to enter the raid. You couldn't get in unless you had completed the Wild Card mission first. Bungie very clearly intended for us to use it on the Witness. There should have been no drama. It just makes sense afterall. The Witness was so powerful it was completely warranted. And I mean, we got it from Cayde, he indirectly helped us win.

[@ChardogNation]

They said it was a requirement but you could load in without

[@Blanktester685]

Forcing a hunter only meta for DPS doesn't really seem fair especially for the supposedly last raid

[@infamousrob08]

I didn't have much in the way of raiding until I found your videos Datto. You were the great voice to listen to for what I wanted had to do in all these raids. I have soooo many memories of watching those raid runs of yours. LW especially. My wife and I went to go get some Chinese food and I was streaming it while we waited. Enraptured with this fight until I had to sleep. I went to bed and y'all kept trucking. The voices then of Clover, Fitzy and others just there with you til the end. I can't wait to see what the future brings for you.

[@Theology.101]

As a viewer, this shit seemed so difficult that it was a good cap off granted, i’ve never finished Vow or Riven legit so…

[@timlikechalk]

Bro how many people actually want to finish is legit? I do deep stone teaching…so I am not much better lmao

[@edwingeorge6760]

riven I get but what are you doing to cheese vow? Didn’t even realize there were cheeses except for pantheon stuff

[@Ysidoroh]

I reckon riven legit is fun to do once for the experience but that’s it lol

[@edwingeorge6760]

@@Ysidoroh as someone who learned it for the first time during pantheon even tho I’ve ran LW 20+ times since it came out, it’s easy and way over exaggerated in terms of difficulty, if the cheese didn’t exist no one would complain about this fight it’s not difficult

[@Theology.101]

@@edwingeorge6760 no no i just meant i haven’t finished Vow at all

[@tylerbeaver1935]

Bro when I woke up for work the next morning and seeing yall still going. Datto my main you looked physically and mentally defeated. I'm so happy bungie showed they still had this in them. We all know elitist datto was happy

[@84m30]

I think the only real issue with still hunt is that it literally made 4-5 nighthawk hunters a REQUIREMENT for witness damage check. That’s a pretty ridiculous class+ load out restriction

[@Blanktester685]

Only 3 titans getting the clear is very fair and balanced

[@alexanderelias9720]

You’re a legend in our hearts man. Started watching your videos religiously when I saw your Thorn vs Last Word vs Hawk video for Destiny 1 when I was in 7th grade. You’re the GOAT Datto ❤

[@vforvontol]

it’s real, this raid made fashion the true endgame

[@wwfof]

8:15 is how i feel anytime i even attempt anything like a dungeon or raid.

[@petervalvo1186]

The main thing I'm happy about with the raid is that Bungie showed us they still got it. Most/all of us definitely started to lose faith in them to make a really challenging new raid experience after Ron, especially with how powerful we keep getting. This raid showed me that they can still not only make an amazing raid experience but they can also REALLY bring the heat when they have to

[@TheFirstCurse1]

You're all delusional. I mean yeah they made the fourth encounter which was a masterpiece but that's all they could do. The rest of the raid is so mediocre and uninspired that it sucks. The entire expansion is overpriced as all hell and isn't worth it at all, and many other problems. If you still support this game and Bungie then you're psychotic.

[@covertiks1690]

@@TheFirstCurse1 peepee poopoo big gay balls

[@petervalvo1186]

@@TheFirstCurse1 Bro could be doing anything else with his time but spends it mad AF that people are playing a game they enjoy

[@TheFirstCurse1]

@@petervalvo1186 I'm calling out psychotic and delusional people in order to try and get them to see the error of their ways.

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@TheFirstCurse1I am proudly psychotic then, and nothing you say will change that 🙂

[@GrandmaDestiny]

Thank you for this. I will be 70 at end of June and decided that while I love this game it may not be wise (hands, wrists, carpal tunnel) for folks my age to play as hard and as long as I do. Therefore, this is probably my last DLC. Makes me sad. Also, lost my Mom in January and had to wait until end of April for Celebration of Life so did not start the grieving process. Caught up to me yesterday and spent the day walking and crying. Very healing. Today I’m putting away and organizing the things she left for me. Very healing. I probably will not retire but just take my time! You do not need to be top dog, just top in our hearts!

[@blan_27]

Such a fun day 1. The feeling of accomplishment after clearing an encounter is peak destiny

[@amsalamander7521]

It was something we needed so much after RoN disappointment, I loved every second of this contest, even though my team was not strong enough to actually beat it on contest ( we had't managed to learn the witness dps phase 😅) every encounter clear was so satisfying

[@frogcatdog]

Datto, I’ve been rooting for you for a long time now, belt or not you’ve achieved a lot to be proud of. Whether you decide to hang up the hand cannons, or keep competing we’ll be here supporting you.

[@imkyro3120]

Verity will always give me PTSD. I was my teams scout, and so I started looking at that full-white room from 5:30pm est to maybe 3am est when they they called it quits for the night. I just know my eyes were bloodshot, but I honestly had so much fun chipping in and hearing all of the crazy ideas being thrown out because everyone was so confused

[@s0nder_ttv]

Easiest way to explain verity is: Grab first two shapes and match them to the others that aren’t you. ie: you have triangle person 2 has square person 3 has circle give p2 and p3 square and circle respectively then start giving your shapes away after the rez mechanic then pick up the knight drops after and leave. Boom done repeat 3 times

[@kellythedragon6673]

I kinda wish encounter 3 had a boss running away instead of an unstop similar to garden of salivation. Like one of witnesses strongest guards doing everything to stop this fire team from advancing since imo encouter 3 felt like this one last push since 4 a puzzel encounter

[@geoffreysmith3907]

my team made it to 2nd encounter pretty quickly (2 or 3 hours in) and then proceeded to beat our head against a wall for 7 hours and when we saw that the best teams in the world were still struggling with 4th we came to the conclusion we were not beating this raid. GG to Bungie for making the hardest raid ever hopefully the next ones are a little easier

[@MrWrighthw]

I watched your raid team on twitch. Was gifted a sub, thanks random person who's name I did not catch! Was great hearing your team work together!

[@OhHeck_Logs]

I have visual migraines, and hereditary 'normal' migraines, and i feel for ya. When i get one, its taking me out of whatever im doing for a long while

[@freezingdart]

Second encounter made my teammate who was running left side with me have an anxiety attack so bad they had to dip. We at the time didn't know that left side was genuinely that brutal and they put a lot of pressure on themselves. Wild to hear that it was hitting even you pretty hard. Good video, still rooting for you to get that belt some day.

[@moondustace5310]

I love how people were like: “Bungie can’t make hard raids anymore!” Because of a couple of misses and Bungie responded with: “Hey, what’s up Guardians. We hear you, so how about you take this on the chin and have fun raiding for 2 days straight. You’re gonna be wishing this was Last Wish by the time you get to the Witness. Y’all remember the Vault encounter? We don’t.”

[@moondustace5310]

“This is some straight evil we were cooking. We had the Drifter throw this bad boy together. This shit killed Lubrae. The Dark Future Elsie saw is really just Salvation’s Edge but we throw in about 200 more Subjugators in every encounter, and all the Dread can ability spam. This was brewed with the scattered remains of Nezarec. This raid is what Telesto shoots, you wonder why it’s broken all the god damn time? Yeah, now you know.”

[@louissmith5775]

Bungie brought back their CBT professional for this one.

[@moondustace5310]

@@louissmith5775Had to air out half their studio to get the devil on the payroll.

[@ooperblownup]

​@@moondustace5310 😂😂

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Wrong. Bungie responded with "We're going to put all of our brainpower into the fourth encounter and make the rest of the raid the most mid s*** you'll ever see. You'll be wishing you were playing Last Wish the whole time because it's infinitely better than this garbage, other than the fourth encounter of course!"

[@zephbrown5483]

You should be proud man, we are all so proud of you and the whole history that’s passed so far. We watch to cheer you on, and we watch because we love and support you no matter what

[@shadyrebob5999]

Oh, how the turn-tables Mr. Elitist Datto. - Michael Scott probably.....

[@ardwen]

I watched and cheered for you guys. I went to bed when you got through the third encounter and woke up to you being on the witness. I came back when you did and watched you get the kill. Hell of a raid. Especially now that I got to run it. this raid is no joke and some of my raiding friends are not taking me serious on that.

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

I was worried the direction of day 1 races after lightfall. Glad bungie decided to go out with a bang for the end of the light/dark saga. It'll be interesting to see how future raid races go in terms of difficulty. The fact that we surpassed last wish even though everyone said that was never going to happen makes me hopeful for the future

[@greenninja757]

21:30 you may not have gotten a belt Datto, but you got something very few other people had, arguably the rarest thing in Destiny aside from the Fate of all Fools, 2402.

[@Wildcat442]

LETS GO ELITIST DATTO RETURNS

[@brandonpeche7542]

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I've been watching you since King's Fall and you guys have always been so good and still managed to be entertaining. Well done!

[@noobberrypie2389]

Never done a D2 raid. Have over a million kills. And my worst pain was listening to ur vault clearing advice. NOW THAT SUNSETTING HAS BECOME SUNRISE, I’m in the dark

[@Hydrodictyon]

I didn’t partake in day one races since Vow of the Disciple, and I didn’t go into this one (which is sad, cause I wanted to badly, but that’s sorta impossible with a job and a relationship that I didn’t have when I was a still student), but I did go into the raid later to learn it myself without guides. And this first statement “demand for perfection” is incredibly accurate. While I went through this raid, I realized that we got the mechanics rather fast (except for Verity, that one was brutal), but we still spent a few hours in every room for this exact reason: *Salvation’s Edge required us to make close to zero mistakes.* I did a lot of sherpa runs in the past, and I wish to get back to it now, but I tremble before this raid, cause even experienced players still mess up a lot, and still don’t know Verity, and still mess up timings constantly. Salvation’s Edge reminded of my ever-favorite raid: *Crown of Sorrow.* I love it deeply for how important teamwork was there. SE feels very similar, but the level of individual skill required here makes it nowhere close to CoS. I wonder how much time it’ll take until “experienced” players actually become experienced and regular SE runs stop taking 6+ hours to complete.

[@irondrum]

“Sort of elitist Datto” yeah he’s washed, my opinion is washed. no i haven’t done a day 1 raid, why do you ask?

[@jeremymiller2952]

My team, I've been with since VoG year 1 went in, and they were not into it, we tried for a few hours when everyone got off. I've always loved day 1 raids, so im glad i got to watch you at least. The hype hearing you guys beat Verity was unreal!

[@shreckwes]

My biggest problem with this raid, and I don’t know how common this is, was how glitchy the encounters could be. During my first clear, we lost countless runs at the fourth encounter because of it just not functioning as expected. Guardians outfits not loading in, knights or ogres not spawning, shapes not swapping rooms after being deposited, enemies not showing up, etc, etc, etc… It was awful. If Bungie expects us to be perfect on our execution, then they need to be perfect on their end and make absolutely sure that everything works properly.

[@ShadowReaperX07]

4th is good and bad due to the complexity and amount of moving parts: 1. Guardian Fashion *6 2. Guardian Ghost *6 3. Initial Backwall symbols (hell of a lot easier when the entire team starts with all dupes of their own symbol) 4. Knights -> ogres -> knights 5. How the symbols on the wall work with knights dropping them. 6. How the exchanges ACTUALLY work 7. How the outside team interacts with the locks. Is that everything... If you compare that with most other encounters, it's rare you get 7 Areas of potential failure, on top of the unmentioned ubiquitous 'get good, don't die'.

[@deadclicks]

There was a totally different atmosphere to this raid in the LFGS during contest mode. Everyone was watching streams and in awe that people were still stuck on Verity. Over half the groups I was joining had accepted they weren't going to get the clear, they just wanted to see how far they could go. You see all the top streamers getting walled by most of the encounters and you go "they can't beat this in 24 hours, how am I supposed to do this in 48?"

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

I still haven't had a chance to do this Raid because the Raid sub-community is so elitist/toxic.

[@heart_of_a_daedra3649]

Agreed! People get “but-hert” if you don’t know everything, don’t have the most optimal loadout for one phasing (its an extra 5 minutes, who cares), god forbid you don’t have an american accent

[@Aj-py8en]

As someone who gets chronic migraines I absolutely feel for your teammate. I couldnt imagine getting one while trying to do something like a raid race

[@fuzzy3383]

It’s game over for me when it happens. I get off the game, drink water, and go outside and let the sun kiss me.

[@fj7509]

Can someone fill me in on the current raid drama?

[@HeroicLeo8125]

I guess the black screen streams

[@dankerbell]

people watching streams were annoyed that people streaming blacked out screens or hid information because they want any advantage they can get over other teams, even at the detriment of people watching their streams, because you couldn't see anything, but they were still making money, but also it's very competitive so i get it, but also it's very boring to watch so i get it

[@crypt1c540]

alot of it basically comes down to the surges and always -5 for raids and dungeons making it pretty annoying to teach people and less desirable for newer players on top of it not really being reasonable for "hey lets do a raid" type of nights without setting aside 1-2 hours now for most average players.

[@dankerbell]

oh yeah datto mentions the still hunt one in general, with it being so strong and stronger on hunters and so many hunters being the reason teams were getting through the fight on contest

[@lachlanthorne9720]

So glad I watched most of your day 1 attempt live. I was honestly hurt when I found out someone finished before you but I have faith that you can still get that belt. I’ve only down two day 1s, RoN and Crota, wish I could’ve participated in this one, it looked like a lot of fun. IMO this is what contest mode should be. This and last wish are now the standard because they’ve done it twice, it wasn’t just a fluke the first time.

[@life-destiny1196]

tbf, Last Wish was hard for bad reasons (nobody was able to get to light cap before the raid, contest mode was not yet a thing)

[@Colester2653]

DONT QUIT

[@Colester2653]

WE LOVE YOU

[@user-ne4ld3jp6i]

My team and I tried out Day 1. We got filtered by the first encounter, but still had a nice time. Was really great to have a raid where you need to keep up that focus and aggression basically the whole time. You're not just checked out bouncing plates, you're an active participant. Good stuff, Bungie cooked.

[@420_cerb]

Thanks everyone who made this day one impossible for the community. All the people saying RON day 1 was too easy this is all your faults

[@chunkymonky4433]

My team only got to second encounter and decided to call it after 11 hours seeing you guys looking drained on 4th encounter, but man it was the most fun we've had in a day 1 in a while. First encounter was so tight, everyone had to be on point and have clear comms, but the feeling we got when everything shifted into place and we got our clear was great. I got more satisfaction from the first encounter clear than day 1 Nezarec. It honestly felt like how running VOG did in D1 with my friends as kids (we all sucked at the game lmao) and going from wondering if we are gonna get skilled checked on first encounter to getting our clear was really fun. Might just be me being a sucker for punishment, but I think Salvation's Edge was the perfect culmination of 10 years worth of raids.

[@sy-ky_buddy4603]

Didn't you all want this?

[@PTron96]

I just watched the video he made about Root Of Nightmares Contest, and yes this is very much what the super high level players like Datto wanted.

[@semajgraham5849]

Datto: "New Sponsor guys! DeleteMe!" Me thinking about the sunset weapons: "Haha what a troll"

[@AlphaSilverhawk]

The only thing that kinda soured this Raid Race, from a viewer’s perspective (rooting for teams to be world’s first), was when people started hiding their screens on stream. I don’t think it was “necessary” to do that. I get it, the paranoia of other teams potentially watching your stream to siphon information about an encounter you’re on to get ahead of you in the race, is a valid concern. However, you should know that risk when you stream the race. Once there was a first place team announced, the race became enjoyable again after that, since people unhid their screens.

[@life-destiny1196]

I'm with the streamers on this one, tbh. The team can come before the viewers for a day twice a year, and I can't imagine anything more heartbreaking than losing to a stream snipe. Not a great viewer experience I'm sure, though.

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@life-destiny1196was it worth it though? Being forever known as the team that had to black their screen out and still losing to people that weren’t even streaming 😭

[@FalconStkr1]

So much fun watching you and your team during the race. Love the content man.

[@satan5778]

skill issue

[@ICannotBelieveIAmHere]

Me with 0 contest clears because I have life that gets in the way of playing Destiny: still proud of ya Datto, glad to keep following your Destiny content. I remember being captured by Destiny when I saw your breakdown of the old Devil's Lair strike video and here we are at the end of the light/dark saga. Ah nostalgia.

[@Rascal7777]

I’m just glad you didn’t win. Anyone who blackscreened their stream and shut their audio off despite people donating to those streams was a HUGE L.

[@PG-20]

And the people who won weren't even streamers who gave you nothing to see.

[@WaterFlame3030]

Also, fun fact... the Monolith _IS_ the Witness. The Witness is the upper half, and the Monolith is the lower half.

[@TiberiusxNero]

The constant whining from the elite players is annoying. It’s too easy now it’s too hard

[@zachsouth314]

I dipped at the fourth encounter but I did come back after napping when you hit the witness. Huge reveal loved every second

[@SuperMikeAttack]

Cool. well, i'm sure you elitist are happy. You got your little exclusive club again.

[@omarlocke4351]

and a trash dlc too.

[@Oftly]

Left side during Herald on Contest was the single most humbling experience I've had in D2. The Attendants (Stasis Psions) could attack you WHILE THEY WERE SPAWNING IN. It embarrassed me that I died so much. Glad that Datto was able to back me up here.

[@wickermind6668]

Tryhard asks, and thus Tryhard shall recieve. I'll never understand why people put themselves through sloggish torture for internet points most people could honestly care less about. I played Crota for the guaranteed necrochasm, not for people to go "Oh, cool" when I tell them I went two days without sleep and broke down because everything eats your HP in seconds.

[@Ilovemyquackfootball]

I absolutely love you Datto and your Raid Team. Hearing you say this makes me laugh so much though. You know you couldn’t ever stop playing a contest mode raid and trying to get your World’s First which you so much deserve.

[@kycklinggull1]

15 seconds no views bro fell off

[@jordan_goes_in4378]

Lamest comment yet.

[@blakekoch1299]

This joke isn’t funny anymore

[@GeremyG]

Bot comment

[@Vajuber]

How original

[@dankerbell]

bots begone

[@dwayneserjeant3582]

Love your content Datto - its been a real joy watching your streams and videos for the last decade - true it has a lot to do with the game itself, but theres few who have been constantly pushing out great content and watchable opinion pieces. Here's to you sicking around for another decade (if its not too much to ask?!) :-)

[@xCHI3f]

Great video. Definitely looking forward to your feature video on Titan's role in a raid and their Prismatic kit because man it does not feel great to be a Titan main right now

[@dylanmiller1140]

Datto don’t retire. Nothing more fun than rooting for math class. You guys crushed it and being 2nd or 3rd to reach witness is a huge victory. Please continue on

[@jerryclyde3391]

The vault cleaner himself having a delete me sponsor is the world laughing at us