Elitist Datto reacts to the "Most Elitist Takes"

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

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[@claytonervin2696]

Next time go with your instinct and do Top instead of Best comments. Alot of duds in this one.

[@PvEAngie]

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[@TheGamingSpartanA113]

How dare you have a Manscape ad for Father's Day - my dad left for scratchers and never came back. 😂😂

[@abyssal_beans]

Get your dad the ball deodorant, all the ball deodorant and nothing but the ball deodorant. It’ll be fine.

[@termlesscipher8045]

Speaking of Elitist takes...What special and heavy is, in your opinion, the ones i should take into the Legend Campaign of The Final Shape?

[@AlexMcArthurloj35]

"Is Jez on my team? What is he running?" This is so real lmao, there's always that one friend with the jank loadout

[@typicalgamer3131]

i have a friend that started playing in summer of 2023 and he barely understood build crafting so he would have the most random loadouts ever. now he calls the game bad and says it’s boring when he has never played a raid or dungeon in his life

[@lonefrontranger]

@@typicalgamer3131 I had to unfriend a former clanmate from D1 who was exactly like this. Shame cos he was a decent player in D1 but the game (and our skill level) has moved on.

[@Xemphas]

@@typicalgamer3131 God I fucking hate people like that, and yet I have friends like that. They're so monkey brained they wont give anything but Call of Duty (or something similar) a chance.

[@aisforannihilation1662]

I never understood ppl who blame shit that isn't the problem & get all snotty about it. I'm quick to say I absolutely screwed something up if I did. Definitely not a top tier player or even close but I'll stick to my strengths, willing to learn & absolutely accept responsibility when I make a mistake.

[@NyakahanaOfficial]

"Why aren't you cheesing" "Because I know how to play the game" Holy BASED datto

[@dongdoodler]

The bigger the consequences the more people will do to avoid them, most will just take 50% longer to never fail, most poeple are risk averse to begin with bot why waste my time and not get a clear of something.

[@Lazerfaced]

Cheesers are cringe

[@Alex-ug9wx]

@@Lazerfacednot really. It’s called optimising. Its no different to using overly/gamebreakingly powerful loadouts in my opinion. Without the cheese in, say, the final boss room of LoS GM, it would be cancerous.

[@Lazerfaced]

@@Alex-ug9wx it depends. If doing the cheese takes more time and effort than just doing the encounter normally then it is DEFINITELY cringe. LoS GM is not impossible by any means, if you have a competent team the final boss is not that hard

[@Arctis326]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Alex-ug9wx needing to cheese LoS gm is pretty cringe. The boss is pretty easy to melt. Any gm actually, if you have to cheese them

[@omegazero5884]

I'm so sad Elitist Datto isn't Datto but with like I dunno an evil mustache. 2 sets of glasses just to show how fucking locked in he is

[@BlackMagik12]

We need this

[@ajaverill08]

Or like a black felt goatee he sticks on his face, like evil Abed in the darkest timeline of community

[@sebastiaanbarends]

I don't know man. The evil mustache and glasses thing didn't work out so well for another big streamer...

[@roryvanberkel4139]

"Is it good in legend onslaught" has become one of my favourite weapon metrics.

[@timewaster504]

My main issue with event FOMO is not that it’s a limited time event, but instead just how much I need to play the event to get whatever it is. I usually unlock stuff at a slower pace than others, and it sucks to have done the event, to have been there, and not get the item.

[@thomasmurrell9832]

I missed out on getting the Aquanaut title because NOBODY I played with wanted to play the deep dives legitimately, and we kept dying and quitting during the cheese, so I lost so much time and effort because some people just hate legit playing THAT. MUCH.

[@tomis080]

“If the devs of my game never talked to me, ever…. That would infuriate me.” Datto discovering how the Witness and most Destiny villains feel about the Traveler.

[@13576bard]

Underrated comment

[@wedoalittlearson7609]

oh my fucking god youre right

[@wedoalittlearson7609]

wait does this make the witness a streamer and the Dread its' mods??

[@USer70Flesh]

​@@wedoalittlearson7609 yes...yes it does

[@pch1370]

Somene call Byf, this guy cracked the code.

[@zenihilist]

"Somehow, elitist Datto has returned."

[@HelixChannel]

Damn it Guardian Po

[@GeremyG]

My elitist take is that not all loot should be earnable by all players if they aren’t good enough to earn it or aren’t willing to grind for it.

[@nappy6806]

Literally

[@refectocill]

Shouldn't even be an elitist take, it's legit like gun camos for getting kills in a specific way all the way back on Cod4

[@krey9102]

Love this opinion

[@Psych0Sh00ter]

I hate how the argument they always try to make is "but I paid for it, so I should be able to earn it!" No, you paid for the content that gives you the possibility of getting the item. Like imagine them paying to enter some sort of challenge or competition IRL, failing miserably, and angrily yelling that they deserve the trophy because they paid to be there. EDIT: Probably should've watched the first 3 minutes of the video before commenting, Datto basically made the same point that you're buying access and not the loot itself lol

[@TheGUNSLAYER7]

It's literally a core tenet of looters , the fact that there are people that think this shouldn't be the case means they don't understand how looters work and how harder challenges = better rewards. Crafting ( I know it's a hot take ) also significantly adds to this idea that devalues the little strong weaponry in endgame because one can just get patterns of a similar weapon and have a top tier weapon with little to no effort.

[@GryphinHusky]

25:56 I brought this up a while ago on Reddit (and got yelled at for even suggesting it) but I think it would be neat if raid seals could be gilded. Doing the raid + the current smattering of triumphs should get you the base seal, but the gilded seal should require a flawless + maybe more crazy stuff. People would go crazy for a shiny title that shows how good they are compared to normal raiders. Unique cosmetics that show your skill are highly sought after. I just think this would be pretty neat to have.

[@N.C.R-Agent02]

Even if I’m a shy introverted person I find it more fun to learn I remember carrying friends with a competent team who’s more experienced than me but I remember playing teaching how to and whilst completing the encounters either I.e in dungeons or raids I remember my proudest moment as a shy quiet person myself I remember going “did you see that I did it I learned” and my friends in the team who’ve done it more than me went “yeah buddy I saw that! You did so good I’m so proud of you” I felt so happy I love when I also finally did my first legendary lost sector and I finally completed finished it by myself on my own even if I’m not a hardcore player I felt so good having done hard core content in games I play mostly because I feel good warm from knowing I learned it and practiced more to trying more stuff then helping people doing raids dungeons I’m very happy proud of myself I even have the same mindset with both Warframe and destiny I try to learn then I practice on my own time and I love getting genuine praise knowing people feel proud in a loving way when I learn pvp pve stuff and I get good at it decently with a good pace too so honestly I don’t like laziness I don’t like lazy people who just want to be rewarded more for purchasing things rather than dedicating time to wanting to learn how to play I love listening even if I do yes get yelled at or mocked shamed time to time I do still find players who carry me who are very sweet people who teach me how to play properly especially with raid mechanics Though my luck with finding kind players is major oof still I still cry getting shamed mocked kicked but I still try raids and dungeons teams even if I get scared time to time

[@adarcus4053]

The first time I finished a solo legend lost sector. I felt like I had started to crack the code on how to do harder things. It motivated me to keep pushing my self.

[@th3stainedrose]

22:28 The way I KNEW Jez was gonna catch a stray the moment machineguns were mentioned.

[@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU]

Hope he doesnt watch danielle's pantheon dps

[@kdc5254]

What the shid datto you dinky Lil biiiiiiiiii

[@kylito6407]

​@@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU at least she used the right surge, FTTC/Killing Tally, and Cuirass. Nowhere near the Jez Classic^tm

[@MakeshiftGent]

Ill still stand by it, the comment at 28:50. Crown of Sorrow was THE best raid for new players. It was basically 3 groups of 2 the ENTIRE time. So I would be with my friend and just be like, "Mute EVERYONE but me. Ignore all the babble and yelling. I will hold your hand through this." And it worked every single time. I got 4 of my friends into raiding because of it.

[@AnticitizenOne]

I am so sad that one extremely overbearing person in our friend group at the time (we no longer speak with that person, for a multitude of reasons) completely ruined that raid for me. To this day it is still the only Destiny raid across both games that I haven’t completed. If it ever comes back around, I’d love to finally actually run it with my friends whom I can trust.

[@MakeshiftGent]

@@AnticitizenOne if we do see a crown reprised raid. I really hope that you give it another chance. Its genuinely such a good raid.

[@CGormanR35]

I’ve only done one Raid but joined a Clan from Reddit and they’re pure chill like this its good for Old ass solo players like myself who want some raid gear

[@medargon]

Worst raid teammate I've ever had was an arc titan using lorely splendor (it does not work without solar). Doing deepstone, knew no roles, put himself on add clear immediately, then blamed everyone else when they died from ads. Double primary was a cherry on top. Edit: he also refused and insulted us when we asked him to get the tcrash cuirass from shaxx

[@Porchungi]

Was he a new light? Or just an aged Destiny potato player who never learned anything about the game?

[@NamelessGR]

Should've showed him the shape of Italy

[@NamelessGR]

Should've showed him the shape of Italy

[@medargon]

@@Porchungi told us it was a second character, but doesn't excuse running anti synergy gear

[@mackncheese1683]

Had somebody running Loreley on a void subclass in Trials. Smh

[@sergeantneko]

whenever I used to post LFGs on the bungie site, I would always end my requirements with the phrase "No Batteries Needed." It became quite a decent icebreaker for me and my team on a lot of occasions

[@ElementZephyr]

Basing your game around the 1% was a hilarious slow motion decline for one game I played. It was a top down camera WoW-mechanic space game. 2012-present (and it's still ongoing) have been basically a 1% balancing act, and if you were not part of the 1% group, you basically had to do the destiny equivalent of solo GMs but it's actually a regular strike. Or you could just bot. They loved people who subscribed multiple accounts to auto-bot content. That solo GM-difficulty regular strike immediately became just a regular strike if you found anyone to play with you or just botted. The playerbase was so low that it was bot or log off. They made raids with that in mind. Imagine continuing to make DSC, Crota, KF, Vow, etc for 6 people when the average online playerbase was 2 people. They sniffed their own farts.

[@Gurdia]

Saying PvE players have to grind comp is indeed a take. I don't think these pvp guys would want me in their teams lol

[@benodoms63004]

That's so real. If they can DPS with Last Word, I can snipe with my funny Rasputin SMG

[@Kait07_]

@benodoms5181 Why can’t you be normal at both

[@dumoneyyy]

PvE players are just not going to do it. Even during the Mountaintop days, people gathered groups to cheese it out instead of actually doing it

[@Data-AnalystSera]

Thankfully I do both, but god trying to take my friends who just do pve into pvp sucks for everyone involved and I feel bad for doing that to them. My goodness, I wouldn't wish it on anyone

[@mini_6-50]

@@benodoms63004ikelos is good in PvP bro

[@Ground91]

Elitist take: most of the fan base have the most horrendous takes ever

[@Ground91]

I will reiterate a take: If you take an ad-clearing role and you're dog water, you don't deserve an ad-clearing role

[@Ground91]

Elitist takes aren't expressed enough nor are they expressed the correct way, we need for them to explain more in-depth like Saltagreppo (and make it a list so the devs can see it all)

[@andy.jehoshaphat]

Agreed.

[@zkullkrusher5780]

We need more people to smoke hardcore moon rocks and skip down to their local starbucks so they can blog post to bungie about how they think people are retarded becuase they dont know the ball mechanic in corrupted, even though they have 15 other reddit posts a day about it. Heres a real elitist take: unless you have too little people who know what to do to actually complete an encounter, dont talk shit on others. You can solo corrupted. You can do encounters with bad add clear players by doing mechanics and shooting ads at the same time. Get the fuck off my bullshit reddit feed with useless bullshit about how you and your dipshit friends arent good enough to clear a raid because some dude who doesnt play 18 hours a day 9 days a week didnt understand your bullshit stoner callout to completely stop what hes doing to appease your lackluster gameplay and help you do something you couldnt do yourself

[@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737]

@@Ground91 Aren't expressed enough? literally all I see is elitism on reddit, youtube or any other platform.

[@Nwaaah]

The ad clear thing is so based. As someone who hasn't REALLY done many raids, the ones I have done, I've always made it very clear I didn't know what I was doing besides a video I've watched on the raid. ..Just that its rare people WANT to help you, which is why I haven't done many raids.

[@kojeb]

there are some good sherpas out there, unfortunately yeah far too many people won’t give newer players the time of day

[@Data-AnalystSera]

For me it depends. I'll say "experience required" if I want to get it done and "experience REQUESTED" when I can spare the time to teach. I wish people would read which I said

[@Zevox144]

@@Data-AnalystSerashit people don't even pay attention if you say mic required

[@GameHunterDeathhunter]

​@@kojeb people actually don't mind, you just looking at the wrong place or be the host. And be honest I hate how people lie about if they know what to do or not

[@Nwaaah]

@@Data-AnalystSera People don't read, absolutely. I just don't go anywhere near "experience required" as long as I, you know, have experience.. I'm shit at raids but I know dungeons inside and out, I've done them all solo flawless by this point, and I'm still doing weekly ghosts of the deep. the amount of people who just DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE FINAL BOSS IS INSANE. I'm sure its the exact same for raids. I got called toxic once for saying to the person, "I did ask for you to know what you were doing, but I'll explain it." Why am I the toxic person for being lied to, and then offering to help.

[@mattgibbia2692]

Hot take Bungie should stop putting great PvE rolls on PvP weapons. A trials weapon should never be in the DPS meta

[@epilepsyinc6790]

That’s kinda just a steaming pile of shit take

[@nbeutler1134]

facts

[@josefzalusky7307]

100% agree

[@shilljonnyshill]

root of nightmares day one got me feeling good at raiding and motivated to try them all. I used to be all about pvp but now raiding is what keeps me in the game

[@masoncarothers6515]

At least you had a good experience with that day one. I was practically gaslit into doing that day one, while coping with the death of a family member. I’m pretty much turned off of all endgame content because of my previous clan. Rather be a solo player then have to deal with the worst of this community.

[@lordgrub12345]

@@masoncarothers6515 holy shit that is fucked up behaviour. Seriously, day one is not that serious. I hope you cut all your relations with those people

[@masoncarothers6515]

@@lordgrub12345 Oh if you wanna believe it, that story gets WORSE. I’m sitting in a freaking Xbox party with them for like, an hour or so. It was me, the clan leader, my buddy Delta, and another member. Shooting the shit an all that, I had to log off, father needed me for something. I get a message from my buddy Delta on a discord dm and what he said sent me into a blind rage. The INSTANT I left that party, the clan leader said and I quote, “Now that Mason is gone…” And he basically goes on a tirade about me not doing raids with the clan. (Because outside of that RoN run, they bicker and fight endlessly and what usually takes about an hour to do Vow, takes 3.) He’s sitting there laying into my buddy Delta like it’s HIS job to be my freaking handler. So I get him in a party with Delta, and I lay the fuck into him. To the point the neighbors across the street were looking at my house I was screaming at my clan leader. And what does he do? He plays victim and I just lost it. I left the clan, and Delta did too.

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@masoncarothers6515goddamn, I’ve never seen that before, my group didn’t do Salvation’s Edge because one of our group members had a dog die. I don’t know why the clan thought that was a good idea, but I can say one thing, this community sucks sometimes, but the majority are chill as hell. Take your time off, and when you want to try raids again, find yourself a group, and if they’re cool, keep em around. I hope the clan that did that to you never gets anywhere, and I know how it feels to lose someone you care about. So I mean it when I say sorry for your loss.

[@masoncarothers6515]

@@gamingmoyai3950 I’m more than appreciative of your condolences. One day I’ll find a group to stick with, hopefully soon.

[@Chyguy]

Regarding the Seasonal Artifact stuff around 21:30 ; I feel like the seasonal artifact was fine until specifically Season of the Wish. I have been running the same Solar builds for half a year at this point and I honestly cannot wait for the seasonal artifact to change. I don't even care whats in it as long as it isn't Strand and Solar. I am so sick of feeling forced to run Solar, which is saying a lot because Solar is generally speaking my favorite subclass on all three classes.

[@pearsonschofield7626]

Then use a different subclass

[@pearsonschofield7626]

Then use a different subclass

[@tristment2020]

I want to play solar because I want to not because I have to lol

[@Furiouspenguin27]

@@pearsonschofield7626bait

[@evanm5029]

Hot Take: Riven legit is not hard at all. You either stun and call out eyes or dps then shoot eyes, calling out one symbol for the lift is also not complicated.

[@RadiantPaladin4]

You’re totally right. I love riven legit, my clan exclusively runs it. At the same time, I used to do the cheese on LFG for the first year or two the raid was out. The encounter is a little bit complex, but I don’t even know if it’s the most complicated raid encounter. It’s just been hyped up by everybody for years as this elite challenge because everyone has been doing the cheese since release and hasn’t even tried it

[@sicklymoonlight]

this is not even a hot take, this should be normal, instead people waste time trying to cheese her.

[@RykerJohnson-th5sr]

It’s not that riven legit is hard but instead more of how long she takes. It’s an endurance test, not a damage nor mechanic tedt.

[@salty_-ashh]

​@@RykerJohnson-th5srthis exactly. every time i've suggested riven legit it wasn't "oh it's so hard" it was "oh it's so long and tedious" which, it is long and tedious i'm ngl

[@yoshigottagun]

100%. Its a very fun encounter to do, but it isn't nearly as challenging as its made out to be.

[@krey9102]

Elitist Take: Pantheon is not for casual players. Pantheon is not for LFG, especially the last two weeks. You cannot join an lfg and ask to add clear. (This is similar to the master raid take in the vid). If you dont know everything, dont waste ppls time.

[@Rockdwaynejonnyson]

I stamp this these idiots on lfg are so bad

[@destinyhunter1926]

In all fairness, ad clear for caretaker and planets is gonna be a legit role to take seriously but aside from that you right, if you cant get through the other weeks without just ad clearing, you shouldnt be wasting peoples time on week 4

[@gharnit-1]

Pantheon shouldn’t also be your first raid experience

[@EepyCreatureLava]

@@destinyhunter1926 Yea, ive run a lot of pantheon, and sometimes I ask to add clear on planets, but I've done all 4 plates hundreds of times and know it well, and can pretty consistently get top dps, I just like using sunbracers and mass murder. I like add clear when its an actual role, with as much of a skill/knowlege requirement as running.

[@voltus20]

Addendum to that take: If you want to LFG Pantheon, but don't know all the fights, look for a sherpa group. Just did a sherpa run yesterday for the Week 1 version, with 4 people that were learning, and after a couple of hours, we got it done. The group was so happy with beating it that we half jokingly decided to give week 2 a try. We went through all of the bosses up to Oryx in an hour and a half, and took a few tries on Oryx because we had to teach some roles. To any first time raiders reading: Don't feel like hard content is unattainable just because you've never tried it before, but also don't feel like you can just sneak into a group to carry you while having no will to learn whatsoever.

[@mousdrvr]

Elitism used to bother me more but I’m old now and can say with confidence that the most consistently miserable people I’ve ever met are those who crave the respect and admiration of people for whom they themselves have contempt. If they are also dependent on these people financially, they are suffering beyond imagination.

[@superangel7234]

Okay but on the garden tether thing, my raid group of friends spent literally three hours mashing our heads against a wall trying to do a divinity puzzle only to discover a week later that having gunpowder gamble equipped on solar hunter does actually genuinely break the tether mechanic for some reason

[@Luxian2842]

If it was like a revoker and martyrs retribution instead of succession and forbearance literally nobody would’ve cared

[@twelved4983]

For Forbearance, it’s mainly due to the fact it’s so good by itself, and the Vow weapons don’t really need a refresh anytime soon. For Succession, it was only because it had gotten a refresh just two seasons earlier, which just made it better anyways. In the case of Revoker and Martyr’s Retribution, those guns haven’t seen the light of day in forever, with Revoker currently being obsolete and Martyr’s Retribution just not being worth it with Forbearance in the meta. If Revoker and Martyr’s Retribution were in the BRAVE pool, then they’d be relevant again at the very least, plus it’d be nice having a better Solar waveframe (Explosive Personality is the only other non-sunset Solar waveframe, and while it’s not bad, it’s def not the best). Now, I don’t really care about the whole “oH tHiS sHoUlD’vE bEeN aDdEd To InTo ThE lIgHt!!1!” arguments but I’m just giving reasons why some people might be a bit peeved about it. Still, it’s not a huge deal.

[@pirate135246]

Martyrs i don’t agree with you on. I think it would be the opposite. It hasn’t been in the game in awhile and if would likely have come with better perks as a result. Think a solar forbearance

[@Luxian2842]

@@pirate135246 I mean like people care since it was forb and succession, but if they just subbed it in with any other weapons in the same archetype nobody would’ve been upset

[@MikeAndros0]

Gonna be honest. Didn't give a shit about both of those weapons being in the brave arsenal. I have all red borders and know how powerful forbearance is. I still don't have it crafted. I don't care to use it.

[@charleywilson2146]

@@twelved4983 Succession did not get a refresh 2 seasons ago lol, DSC was refreshed during which queen.

[@dvdossbsvskfbdvav]

The ledges in the calus void room weren't ever bugged, you just jumped over them

[@zsewqaspider]

it wasn't that they were bugged so much as certain floor sections were just angled enough to ramp you over if you moved left to right too fast

[@coreyloseman8262]

That's why you picked a spot before the first barrier dropped and rode it out, had absolutely no problem with the void room. ​@zsewqaspider

[@TheCyanHawk.]

​@@coreyloseman8262The classic, "we did a workaround, so nothing was ever wrong" take ☕️

[@coreyloseman8262]

@TheCyanHawk. what work around? You mean play the encounter as intended?

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@TheCyanHawk. It was playing the encounter as intended, lmao.

[@oddrawl9401]

It's okay to admit to not know what you're doing in a raid. Because he's MY elite take: If you're really so good at a raid, you can easily carry one or two newbies thru it.Teaching them and a whipe or two isn't that big of a deal and shouldn't take long if you're actually great at the raid.

[@SnixJuice]

My clan recruits this way. We carry people through raids, break everything down for them, and invite them to join us XD.

[@herbalketchup45]

As someone who is pretty decent at raids, there is a time and place I don't mind doing sherpas I don't mind if someone doesn't know what's happening and asks a question but if you dont know and don't ask or join a kwtd raid you should kwtd that's where my patience runs thin

[@Walter__Clements]

I have five friends who just returned to Destiny recently and we completed pantheon (-5) with not too much struggle. Three of those friends have never set foot in a raid before.

[@Fizzbizz]

Datto literally addresses this point at 32:14

[@peanuts974]

I shouldn't have to pick up the slack like that unless I actually feel like it. Just because I know what I'm doing doesn't mean that I automatically have to volunteer extra time and energy to carry people.

[@nickprendergast1579]

As for the last take, I couldn't agree more. When my clan does VOW, we do the third encounter as chaos; pick something up and do the job. It made it so much more fun and stressful and chaotic and everyone learns the mechanics of the room.

[@MockinFrog]

"You're still gonna get your top 500 raid place in day 1 whatever. Ok? Let 'em have the damn rocket." I guffawed.

[@jaysmoth6314]

I played with a guy who refused to switch off of omni deadfall tether on master crota and claimed it was meta. There are just too many ppl in the game who have giant egos on top of no clue what they’re doing.

[@terepypypes4214]

clear case of stealing a popular build and not actually knowing how it operates, and which situations its appropriate for. theres a reason we have loadouts, its because not every loadout fits every situation. the sooner people learn to branch out and not crutch on one playstyle the better, im so glad i dont talk to my previous clan members who wouldnt switch off trinity ghoul/refused to play anything other than void hunter because they were entirely resistant to change and leaving their comfort zone

[@owenking1499]

People are like this in life in general unfortunately. People dont want to change their views even if you explain in detail why they are wrong. At least 50% of Crotas Ends I join, someone suggests the myth that swapping weapons makes chalice go faster. It does not. Its been tested. People dont want to hear it 😂

[@hithere5553]

At least I have the self awareness to admit I’m ADDICTED to stronghold and refuse to play activities where swords are totally non-viable.

[@InFamousLombax]

Omni Deadfall legit is good on Master Crota tho. Run it with Tractor, invis your sword guys, give them damage resist. We always use it, have no problems

[@jaysmoth6314]

@@InFamousLombax your deadfall is doing a 30% debuff your tractor is giving a 30% debuff. Your super is useless and you don’t need invis to stay alive in master crota unless you don’t understand movement/sword blocking/playing cover/restoration. It’s not even close to an optimal loadout

[@ginyama8848]

20:57 Bro that Frostbolt clip out of nowhere was foul but still the greatest callout I've heard.

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

My elitist take is that nearly everyone has the capability to play content like raids, grandmaster nightfalls, and dungeons, but they're unwilling to try to do it.

[@kojeb]

ayo inverse elitism

[@babytricep437]

They’re entitled and not willing to learn to enjoy the complexity, but instead have the “baby want now” mentality

[@thrilla72]

No sorry, there have been way too many absolute idiots in LFGs for me to agree with that

[@SamSam-ds9ny]

@@babytricep437touch some grass bro

[@Porchungi]

I think when people see that the activity doesn’t have matchmaking they just avoid it at all costs

[@RabbiitTCG]

Elites take for me is "you should run Optimal loadouts for every PVP activity. no matter the game mode. just like you would in PVE content like Pantheon. if you run pve loadouts in PVP games you deserve to get banned and reported for sabotage ." the amount of Sun bracers and Nighthawks i get on my trials/comp games is actually unreal and disgusting.

[@Dr.Indalecio]

A part of me wants to agree with you. The other part wants me to tell you to get out of the casual game modes and just let me do my weekly challenge without going against gendader jake level people in control of all game modes

[@benstanfill363]

Comp and trials, absolutely. Everywhere else, chill.

[@traviswilliams2348]

I agree on enjoying the artifact perks. I think their a really fun way to healthily change up the meta jn a non permanent way. On that note however, i would enjoy a bit more variety in terms of what they actually are buffing season over seaon. It feels like its been heavily weighted towards solar overall, with a few notable exceptions for the seasons that the light 3.0 subclasses dropped.

[@scotttimbrell8632]

To me the artifact perks dictate the meta, not shake it up. Not necessarily "force" you to use swords for example, but when there are 4 gigabuffs to sword usage and your now fun build is substantially worse, it really diminishes wanting to play that season. Personally buildcrafting isn't that enjoyable and things very rarely mesh well together as it is, so "nerfing" a build every few months is very unenjoyable. I feel that mods and perks in general need more synergies and not rely on a few broken perks every season to tell me what to play. Especially anti champion guns ect.

[@nathanhardy7698]

The Pace of Sanctified Mind is what boss battles should strive to do (imo), from what i remember day 1. Everyone had their role to do in the chaos, there was no slacking.

[@napdragon7324]

Honestly, I’d say Sanctified Mind and Explicator of Planets are both like, the ideal of Day 1, really fucking hectic and mechanically intense, but fun. That being said, I’d say Explicator is a bit better, as it lets you have 1 fuck up, and I firmly believe raids should have that level of leniency, especially in cases like Explicator, where say, the Cabal guy you get the buff for the planets from falls off the edge. That shouldn’t cause a wipe. It should mean you have to play tighter, and you should only ever get one fuck up, but you shouldn’t lose flawless to something that isn’t the fault of any player on the team.

[@Walter__Clements]

@@napdragon7324I still wonder how Bungie went from Explicator with the creativity, aesthetics, and enjoyable mechanics to Nezarec.

[@joeyno137]

My favorite is 3rd encounter in vow

[@JA-kr1lz]

@@Walter__Clementswell lightfall wasn’t originally intended to have a raid because the dlc was not originally going to happen. Hence why Root of Nightmares is just one brain dead mechanic except for Explicator. Explicator was originally made for the final shape raid (when lightfall and final shape were originally put together)

[@darmorel549]

​@Walter__Clements honestly the main problem with nezzi is the arena. The ai get stuck on the plates so easily that doing dps off the plates is so suboptimal that it almost never done. Everything else in the encounter is good in theory (though orb running has it own issues) with 2 taunters, 2 bastion makers, and 2 runners.

[@ToshimonsterRealm]

Spire of stars (last and penultimate encounter) was one of the best raid fights ever made. We can say prestige mode was bad, (im looking at you prism), but a raid actually requiring cohesion and a tight dps check was so satisfying to see.

[@Fanatator]

Spire of Stars decreased team average IQ every attempt.

[@voltus20]

Spire of stars was one of the best raid fights ever thought up. Spire of stars was also one of the buggiest raids bungie has ever made. Getting the balls to actually enter the hatches had a 40% chance of functioning correctly, and a 60% chance of either clipping below the map, getting stuck to the inside of the hatch but not going all the way through, or straight up blinking out of existance. Same thing for the plates. Sometimes the raid didn't feel like working and the plates would just never trigger, softlocking you. Sometimes the space lift that raised you to throw the balls at the ships would randomly decide that it was on break and wouldn't work. Sometimes, robot Calus wouldn't feel like working and wouldn't trigger last stand. Sometimes, the raid would say, "you know what? Fuck you" and it wouldn't spawn all the balls it should. That raid had so many bugs, and they would happen so frequently, that there's no surprise almost nobody would play it.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Love spire of stars.

[@praisethepuck]

Spire of Stars was cool, it was just unfortunate that it both A) Had bad loot, and B) Took awhile to get to DPS

[@elizabethhicks4181]

My only criticism is that the smoke to charge the ball seemed to “turn off” the ball charging too early before visually disappearing, leading to inconsistent communication of mechanics to players. But otherwise? Yeah, Spire of Stars was a great raid lair. SOOO much better than Eater of Worlds. If Crown of Sorrow encounter 1 was just a bit more hectic, had a bit more going on, or was a bit shorter, it’d be the best raid lair, imo.

[@chucklestyle1470]

The tether mechanic in GoS just exposes people's bad Internet

[@BasicWorldbuilder]

With riven coming up in pantheon, my clan mates have been griping about needing to do it legit. Something ive been telling them is really fun and a unique challenge for years! (I beat it legit when it was still fresh in forsaken) And lo and behold, i convinced them to do a practice run. And They loved it and crushed it in a couple tries and now say they would rather do it legit than clip her toe nails. I am glad pantheon is normalizing this "hot take" that more challenging raid encounters and not cheesing is more fun.

[@ArvolyXSL]

I once did Sanctified Mind with an LFG team, one of the players were complaining about the tether not working, one of the Sherpas then said "Literally just come here and stand still for a few seconds." And then it connected, the Sherpa then followed up with "It won't work if you try to speedrun connect the dots." Didn't hear anything from that player for rest of the entire encounter.

[@potato1341]

I'm not a big elitists by any means, but one thing I'll say is a lot of the player base don't know what they want with this game. Even myself. Each and every one of us could have a genie that could make our ideal version of destiny, give it a mile long list of things we want and within a week of playing our new perfect destiny, be asking for new things, changes, revisions and so on. Even things that a lot of people agree on, give it a few hours, a few days, maybe a few weeks and we want something new. We should definitely hold the game to a standard but realise, we'll be wanting forever, even if every time we got exactly what we want, we'd want more or different stuff.

[@johnnyhall9154]

Honestly looking back at the seasonal model and what we've gotten so far. Holy shit is there an incredible amount of content, we just collectively don't play it.

[@calebhughes975]

​@@johnnyhall9154 well, there has been a lot of content, the issue is everything from 2020 to now is gone

[@t.v.1201]

this is especially evident with the conversation around crafting. People asked for crafting and explicitly wanted the ability to "make their godrolls" and bungie gave them exactly that with a large pool of craftable weapons. Then when they released a lot of craftable weapons consecutively people complained crafting was ruining the game because there was nothing to grind for. Then bungie releases the brave arsenal, a bunch of high profile weapons you have to grind to get good rolls of and people start complaining that they should have been craftable because of how terrible their luck has been. A lot of people in this community make suggestions or ask for features without taking the time to think about what the results might be.

[@potato1341]

@t.v.1201 Amen. I love crafting, I think the fact grinding can rely completely on RNG and time locked features I.e farmable dungeon rotations makes me miserable (I still don't have a god roll cold comfort) where craftable weapons have made that process much more bearable for other weapons.

[@Walter__Clements]

@@potato1341 Totally agree, I think crafting brought about no real downsides. I’m also right there with you with cold comfort. I would farm the first encounter on ghosts of the deep until I was sick and I never got what I wanted. Such a solid rocket launcher, I would have been fine with envious and chill clip or envious and bait and switch but I couldn’t get either.

[@foist101]

I'll never get the pantheon stuff because i can't get my group together for even a single normal mode raid and it's totally okay. That title will be so cool to see on someone in the wild.

[@AnticitizenOne]

Big mood. My group is stretched a little thin at the moment and with summer approaching, we are all just busy doing our own things and can’t quite get all together to run down the Pantheon. I think like one person who has more free time than the rest of us has been doing it with another friend group and that’s totally great! Exclusive and time-limited stuff ain’t always for me and that’s fine. If I get it, I get it and if I don’t, it ain’t the end of the world.

[@bfeldz1023]

In the same boat and LFG was just a nightmare to deal with. I honestly couldn't have cared less about the title, I really wanted the raid exotics, but I'm okay with not having them. Not everyone who plays needs to have every little thing in the game, especially titles and other cosmetics.

[@aviatorengineer3491]

"Why aren't you cheesing this right now?" _Cause I know how to play the game_ Giga ultimate 300% based. Unironically one of the best takes I've heard about the game

[@KanePlaysStuff]

For real. I want to play the activity not just stand in one spot and do nothing.

[@MichaOstrowski]

no cap, the amount of wipes I've experienced on Totems were people were adamant to do the skips... man, way too many. Once people agreed to just do things normally, it rarely took more than two tries...

[@Titangoboom99]

I believe that the skill ceiling in destiny 2 pvp is slowly becoming a game of "who can hold hands the best" I rarely get into 1v1s anymore even in 6v6. There Is a lot of sitting back happening. I like the new health system but we went from shotgun jousting to scout rifle dinking.

[@alexhill6446]

Raid titles requiring flawless is easily solved with gilding titles for said raids. Elitists have a shiny badge to distinguish themselves and everyone else can still get the title for completionist sake.

[@benodoms63004]

I have the opposite problem, that being no one is willing to teach me. I can only watch so many guides before they arent helpful. I need to DO the encounter. Also, Daddo was an awesome guest appearance in the ad section

[@marinawolf]

Find a good clan, join teaching raids.

[@benodoms63004]

@marinawolf Made my own clan, we're trying to learn ourselves. 4 teens and a 3rd grader

[@bradleyr9691]

Sounds like a show

[@samvimes9510]

I think that was the best manscaped ad I've ever seen, Datto just roasting his dad for more than a minute straight

[@thecompliationvideos4246]

2:15 it's like buying a violin and expecting to play Paganini because you payed money for it

[@1votdopeningfan138]

For the Take at 12:00. It makes somewhat Sense, but the Main issue i have with it, is that there is Other endgame activities than gms and often they require different Things. The selection you want to for Lowmans/ speedruns is quite different than for gms, for example based on a gm only pov, eager Edge swords would be borderline useless But in reality, they are Not replacable for the Other 2 types of content

[@SweeT-6398]

I’m barely a 1KD Trials player and when you said the “7-2 isn’t flawless” comment I felt that. I’ve only been flawless a handful of times, but I intentionally don’t use the Persistence card because I didn’t feel much reward going flawless with like 12 losses.

[@MeowMita]

Disclaimer I'm not a huge hardware person. The main advantages I would say of leaving the prev console generation behind are the capabilities of more RAM, faster CPU/GPU, better memory throughput/ I/O. I believe those hardware benefits translate to faster loading from memory for assets such as environments /models. You also have more room capability for physics calculations, enemy AI calculations and decision making, and improved graphical fidelty from being able to send more rendering calculations to the GPU and get them back in time. A big caveat is that with games you're not necessarily using these resources statically - you're doing a lot of extra work to optimize and make the most of current resources. That's why there is a big difference is performance quality from the beginning of a console's lifetime to the end - its that dev teams are learning how to make the most of resources.

[@embelished_meister500]

Honestly, It would be better in the long run to leave old gen behind. Besides, it’s natural for companies to stop support for older generation consoles after 5 years and old gen consoles are, as of now, 11 years old.

[@TheMuffinMan15]

The best raid encounters are the ones that force everyone to take on some role, even if small, e.g. Oryx, sanctified mind

[@synapse7274]

Elitist Datto is my favorite Destiny supervillain. Thats my commander o7

[@Noah-Ninoji]

29:15 Absolutely true. At the beginning of this year, i had never done a raid before and never joined a clan - having been a sworn solo player (for over 2k hrs). Watching some videos on RoN, then looking for a clan, who'd be willing to sherpa me through it, was my true starting drug for raiding. It gave my sherpa the ease of calmly knowing, what was going on and me the understanding, of how to interact in a team. All of that, while beeing a - honestly - very enjoyable experience. Even looking back at it; I personally feel like, most "elitest" dislike the raid, for it's day one performance and it not keeping up with previous expectations for player involvement in the whole raid. But for a teaching enviroment; It is basically perfect. Even if - for some - only for the take-away-fear-factor-effect it can have; Making a new raider understand, that raids don't have this unconquerable skill ceiling.

[@TheNukedNacho]

I love the "we interrupt your Elitist Datto for this ice cream truck" moment My only complaint about this 39:24 is that, whenever I run VOG, it should be a knockout or isn't random enough. Atheon always happens to pick or not pick the same people. The last time I ran VOG, I ALWAYS got teleported. The time before that, I NEVER got teleported.

[@gregmccheeseballa-ui1ng]

I think pantheon is a good push in the direction of not catering to the casuals. It definitely feels challenging and hard to do the platinums at the lower light.

[@byranakiempitts7374]

22:28 Jez catching strays for no reason 😭

[@arkekklesia]

Bit of an off topic but that ad with Datto Showing pictures of him with his Dad is so wholesome. made me tear up a little. On the other hand, I want to learn high end content. I want to know it but I'm scared at the people who have done it a lot of times, I don't want to mess up because I might let them down. I have that issue personally and constantly fighting it. that's why I rarely do LFG.

[@SteeloD2]

D2Sanctuary has a lot of welcoming players that could help you or Kinderguardians, both discord servers that have a fair bit of sherpas.

[@brainiac2977]

its better to ask and be rejected than not ask at all honestly. Some discords have channels specifically with groups teaching end game stuff. Do not let the fear of rejection stop you. If you are afraid they will shun you, its better to have them shun you to your face than behind your back.

[@crispymartyr]

In my experience, anyone who is upfront that they want to learn is not only welcomed with open arms, but grabbed viciously and held on to. Every raid team would welcome a new player who was willing and able to learn.

[@ze_darku_magician5504]

Same here. LFG's are terrifying XD. Problem is I am currently on a personal quest to get Hierarchy of Needs and after completing Spire for the first time last week (solo ofc) I don't think I can handle doing that shit 20 more times. Doing Persys solo over 6 dps phases was stressful as hell. Sadly I don't think I'm gonna find anyone who'd willingly join me in farming Spire of all things XD

[@AnticitizenOne]

Honestly if you just say you are new and want to learn raiding/dungeons/GMs, you’ll have a much better time. There are a ton of people who love to teach raids, my clan loves to teach! There used to be a D2 Sherpa subreddit, not sure if that’s still a thing, and I’m sure if you check through other comments here you’ll find groups of dedicated end-game teachers. Best of luck, guardian. o7

[@visionedroxas1071]

On the first point you talked about Datto, I agree that we as a collective are ENTITLED to the choice of working for the best of the best weapons, armor, mods, Etc. we shouldn’t be given everything but have the choice to get it if we reeeeeeally want it

[@bahrooki7049]

Seeing this ad reminds me of when Datto’s dad did the Xur review one week in D1, good memories man

[@voxolotl6894]

I'll accept "git good" when you accept that you may be wrong about what constitutes "difficulty" as it relates to frustration. Because something is more frustrating, it doesn't mean it's truly more "difficult".

[@petrri323]

Commoner Take: Having to listen to the top 1% of players complain about how they don't have exclusive rights to more than the top 1% of gear is annoying. There's PLENTY in the game exclusive to only the top players. The people complaining about there not being enough "high level endgame loot," are the people who spend 8 hours a day playing and have been doing so for years. They already have all the high level endgame loot, but they keep playing anyways. People will play this game enough to clear Last Wish 200 times, then turn around and complain that they aren't getting anything unique and exclusive. No shit Sherlock. You got the exclusive and rare gear 170 clears ago. Hell, I STILL have never been able to get a group together that actually clears Last Wish. Then these same '10,000 hours' players like to pretend that Day 1 emblems, the Day 1 raid belt, adept weapons, exclusive shaders, titles, and other cosmetics don't exist -- or are somehow not enough compensation for the fact that they choose to play D2 with every waking moment of their free time instead of having other hobbies. Touch grass. You're complaining about not getting any more toys from the claw machine after single-handedly cleaning it out over the last 10 years.

[@slothschewgum]

for time gated things sure but for most of these they shouldn’t be viewed as “stuff for the 1%” it’s stuff YOU should be striving for and CAN attain. there’s only so much to do in the game tier 10 resilience and some semblance of knowledge about how to play the game is all you need outside of master raids. like i don’t even understand how you can be this bitter over it to the point where you see rewards that you should be striving to attain as an affront to your existence there’s rewards that i don’t even have yet but im happy they’re in the game because ill get there eventually

[@DavidMartinez-xc7up]

Bro that random frost clip was pure gold 😂

[@GeeBeeOhThree]

I personally think DSC is best to intro people to raids. Putside of Atrax its a relatively easy raid that has multiple roles, which need to be passed around, and need to have communication between everyone for it. AND it has the absolutely STUNNING spacewalk section. I think DSC is a distilled cocktail of everything there is to love about raids, and also everything you need to know to raid successfully.

[@ashumon23]

I had a run in garden of salvation (for the Div exotic), and it was so broken, if one player even looked in the wrong direction it would brake the tether. It's still one of my favourite raids, but do say it isn't a buggy mess is borderline delusional. We literally had to give up on the run and everyone was so crushed, no one really wanted to try again.

[@samuelbulow5291]

My only mild point of disagreement with the first take is that the high tier loot in question should be reliably obtainable. If they added some new exotic specifically for master raids, for example, i think it should have a fairly high drop rate (maybe 20% or more).

[@nimbusshadow-wings]

i wanna learn, but im always nervous to ask, scared of annoying people.

[@Porchungi]

Same, I’ve done raids before but honestly I’d rather just not waste 5 other people’s time because my memory is shit

[@NamelessGR]

Search for sherpa raids,there are people that specifically want people that don't have any experience , also try to do some learning by yourselves, it will help greatly when you actually do it in game ,everything will click

[@ghostridernz17]

​@@Porchungi then ask and look for people willing to teach or help/carry dont use the in-game lfg it's harder to try and emphasize that on in game

[@pch1370]

If it helps, people willing to learn are far more likeable that those that straight up refuse to adapt.

[@Porchungi]

@@ghostridernz17 nah I’m good, raids just aren’t fun at all for me but that’s fine

[@Noapologies-q3p]

LOL reason why raid seals no longer needs flawless is oblivious. They gotta sell those seal pins bro😂

[@uhhavok]

I wish they changed the drop system back to how it was in D1, feel like it’d help with player retention, but change the “weekly” resets to make everything farmable that way your loot isn’t time gated

[@Mispehled]

39:30 Coming back and watching this, Verity is a perfect example of it. You are chosen at random but can influence who goes in, which is how raid mechanics should be

[@sykomaniax187]

I used to play phantasy star online on ngc which had the 2 most rare sword a 1:64000 chance from the final boss and the other a 1:24000 chance from a rare enemy. Literally only a handfull of people got them legitemately in the world and it was awesome because it made some legendary drops actually legendary. And we clearly werent entitled af back then because it wasnt a problem

[@GoDLiKe211]

I love pso 1 and 2. Some of the best years of my life

[@fabioviti7384]

You could unironically play roulette and it'd be the same

[@XoftheXeyon]

I, too, want to meet this "legendary" triple gl launcher users in my group.

[@migueldevera5080]

Hello elitist datto, my dad recently got a root canal. Your ad briefly terrified me. I am on to you and your eldritch knowledge. They may not believe but I do. I do.

[@choerrycola7666]

The ad clear one is so true man. One of my biggest hates is when people call add clear before all the actual roles have been called, and when you ask ‘who’s gonna do what?’ and no one responds.

[@gavinhazan1415]

“You guys just suck at standing still” Everyone w stick drift lowers their head in shame

[@davidepulinas1640]

I gotta say: I'm NOT elité at all but I still agree with the general idea of this video. I just started doing solo dungeons (I solo flawlessed Prophecy a month ago and now I'm aiming at solo flawless for other dungeons) and I have ONE mere raid clear, in wich I was constantly ad clearing, and you know what? I couldn't care less. Destiny 2 community is full of both bad but nice people as well. I just found the right people to play with and IMPROVE MYSELF. As Datto said on the first or second take: buying the game gives you access to the contents, It doesn't entitle You to "catch 'em all", otherwise everyone would have dark matter camo in CoD or everyone would just swipe throgh bosses in games like Dark Souls and Elden Ring. YOU GOTTA GET BETTER, COMING FROM AN AVERAGE PLAYER. P.S. Sorry for my potentially bad english, hope I made myself clear enough. P.P.S. Love You Mr. trv, You are a legend

[@almostdangerous1412]

The stuff about bugs for raid is probably mostly copium but holy after farming nezarec a ton he bugs out like 1/10 kills. Usually its just visual but occasionally we finish both light and dark and he just decides to wipe anyway, or we hit the point where we should get wiped and he just doesn't do it and lets us finish running lol. I think its just funny. Also gaze just doesn't work a lot where his shoulders don't even give off light/dark. I think it might be internet related or something but I sometimes have to let someone else pop shoulders because it wont show on my screen.

[@JrockProject1]

Pantheon emblems are a great start to rewards for higher end activities. Id love to see like a unique roll of specific guns only from pantheon (using it as example.)

[@Rockdwaynejonnyson]

Buttttt I’m my opinion I will never get this btw there should be a emblem that you get for flawless each rank of pantheon it could just be a golden version of the last emblem

[@JrockProject1]

@@Rockdwaynejonnyson if someone is that insane let em get it!

[@kylemutz6180]

I remember doing VoG with a full fireteam of buddies, 3 of which were new lights and never raided before. Watching new players execute your instructions for how each encounter works and apply your advice to reach success is a feeling I will forever cherish. They even had a moment where someone was about to shoot a wrong oracle, but 2 new people spoke up to stop them and prevent the wipe. At the end 1 of the new lights and my veteran buddy got Vex Mythoclast, doing raids with new players who wanna have fun is the best Destiny 2 you’ll get.

[@iamdoozie]

My elitist take: In my opinion, raid perks should’ve never been added to world/ritual playlist weapons. It makes the raid weapons obsolete, since doing a strike is easier than a raid. If you can’t handle the raid, you shouldn’t be able to get the crazy good loot. Simple as that.

[@Bobcatflyfish]

I would say, although i agree that buying the content does not entitle you to the loot, RNG should not be so prohibitively bad that people can do 50+ plus runs of an activity without getting a specific drop So while you shouldn’t be entitled to loot, there should be some sort of bad luck protection

[@GuzzlingDuck]

He was saying Garden Tether and I was so confused half the time thinking this was some hunter tether strategy I didn't know about 😂 My favorite thing about prestige calus was having people randomly teleport into his shadow realm.

[@inoob26]

Technically there is that tech of making the first boss fall into a hole using tether

[@GusOmega]

My only problem with the loot is that I have a fear of drowning, water, and such. I physically can't play the dungeon I paid for because I'll go into a panic attack... But the loot is cool.

[@ze_darku_magician5504]

That's understandable and perfectly valid. I personally really hate horror games / movies so even though D2 isn't particularly scary there were a couple missions (I think it was a part of the Shadowkeep campaign and the DMT exotic mission) where I really didn't enjoy myself that much. It's absolutely fine while in a fireteam but I mostly play solo. Even then I wouldn't want Bungie to exclude the possibility of making something like a Dungeon or mission with more horror elements because most players would probably really enjoy it and it'd be fun to watch.

[@GusOmega]

@@ze_darku_magician5504 Glad you managed to get through it at least- I just wish there were alternative ways to get that loot, or such. Cause I really love glowing effects and it looks so cool, but I physically can't get through it..

[@chronodis]

It's pixels, calm down

[@mrslayr]

Brother what

[@Kaizuker]

There are simply two types of Destiny players: those who have found a raid team and those who do not or can't. Doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't have a regular raid team you will never get the optimal Destiny experience and that can be frustrating. Why? Because it's an entirely different game experience that the community has basically full control of whether or not it is welcoming. Raiding and looking for teams used to be better. Now it's just a bunch of people who copy builds and youtubers and farm RR because they never got hugged as a kid.

[@ohdeer9031]

You can get better at elden ring by yourself, you can't "skill issue" your way into a flawless master raid by yourself

[@dacedave4161]

I agree that GoS tether mechanics are fine. People just don't pay attention and jump around like wild animals. Btw if the line turns red, it still works, it's just about to break. You should never have to teach in a master raid just like how you shouldn't have to teach in Pantheon. Its not our fault Bungie made it free and its not our responsibility to carry new lights in end game activities. Ask Datto to carry you idk. Have a great day gamers

[@Guitarman0147]

The mechanic would be fine if it was actually bug free. Yes, some people have trouble sitting still, but I had a run about a week ago where the tether refused to link off of a teammate. Someone could tether to him, but he couldn't pass it on either to the end point or another teammate except in short snaps of connection that were too brief to do anything. This is while both he and I, then he and another teammate were sitting two feet away from each other perfectly still for upwards of 10 seconds. I've also seen other problems with it like it linking straight past people and ignoring them.

[@Castitalus]

@@Guitarman0147 I have personally witnessed the tether just refusing to link to the node on Sanctified. The people saying tether is a fine mechanic are insane.

[@Bestdressedbrit]

​@@Castitalusnot full relay

[@Bestdressedbrit]

​@@Guitarman0147gunpowder gamble can affect the tether sometimes and in random ways

[@Z-ro-gs8hz]

Elitist Datto coming out?? This is gonna be good.

[@Itz_LAR]

The garden take was so real

[@queenmajura5794]

8:15 I learned in Parthenon, After I got sick and couldn’t speak, and was forced on Ad clear, I’m bad at ad clear, I’m the opposite of the “I’ll do ad clear” guy

[@warlockholmes]

My elitist take is that GM battlegrounds were the best decision and forced players to play aggressively in GM settings, pushing players out of cheese spots and building variety in GMs outside of sitting in the back with a scout rifle.

[@OrangeBananMan]

Last take is amazing. My favorite moment playing Destiny was doing nukes in DSC with no plan, Mr. Blue Sky blasting over the call, and everyone just running around doing mechanics randomly. It's way more fun when you know all the mechanics and when roles change.

[@never3nder]

That encounter is 100% the best with a good group. 321go and make it up as you go along

[@TheJavie06]

Had my clan raid team complaining that I wasn't using thunderlord on pantheon golgoroth. Only to wipe and see my cloud strike was out DPS them by millions.

[@nextdownfall]

20:56 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I’ll never ever forget that! I love it! 😂😂😂😂

[@AstrumKitten091]

"vow needs everyone to know what to do" and then there is Rhulk which only needs 4 people to know what to do but effectively only 2.

[@aimeekeel]

15:45 true, but there are some situations that people may not be aware of, like explosive rounds that literally just turn on the tether and back off again. Or situations some guns were anti-barrier around will not activate things like the tether in garden. however, I think the biggest issue with the tethers, is that they are connection based. So doing the time challenges is extremely difficult. If you have someone on an old GEN console, a slower, computer, or a slow connection. I have ran into that issue with multiple groups that I was hoping to get the challenges done.

[@Solomon_Gundhyr]

2:12 I agree with this take. Even though im not a Elite of Destiny. To have Legends, is to be part of a Exceptional few. If everyone is Legend, then no one is Legend. A dedicated player need to be rewarded Accordingly.

[@infernotheprotogen5736]

got an interesting story with garden tethers. This was back before even lightfall was announced so probably patched out by now. My group had gotten Sanctified really low so all we needed was one dps phase, one we got up to without issue and were about to start by tethering to the boss. However despite leading the tether to the boss perfectly the tether decided, rather than connect to the boss, to connect to the SHUT OFF tether node right next to the boss and rob us of that dps phase

[@billykritikos7734]

38:57 I 100% agree with this and think they should add more mechanics like this. That's why New Oryx is one of my favorites, not only because they change how you dmg Oryx but because the mechanics are random on who runs and your team needs to adapt when one of your plate players gets chosen. It makes the fight more engaging and enjoyable imo

[@boookythegod]

My elitist take : Disable divinity for Day 1 content, make mf use tether or tractor and… wait for it… HIT YOUR PRECISION SHOTS! ( stop needing Div, let the ppl who earned it use it, and the top ppl can be forced to stop using it for important events and since ppl wanna let they D hang, let’s see mf hit they shots fr )

[@chronodis]

Ah yes, remove the main use of a gun. How smart

[@boookythegod]

@@chronodis no not remove the use, disable it for day 1 yes, if your good it should be no problem hitting headshots. Plus, tether and tractor are bigger debuffs. STRICTLY for Day 1, it would show whose actually good.