Daughter of Mormon Top Leader speaks out about secret ritual for Mormon “royalty”

[@mormonstories]

Episode 1246 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpy0iqNthK-qi9U

[@ImJustagirlhere]

I need to know if they are excused for murder? slowly murder someone?

[@Sly_Prime]

@@ImJustagirlhereFree pass, except you cannot tease God’s Spirit or shed blood

[@bessie9755]

That not true

[@pandorasrevelations9873]

No, this is straight BS.

[@sunniclark6827]

That is totally a lie! What a shame!

[@ah5721]

for any Christians out there who say feet washing is weird - remember this ; in Jewish culture roads were dusty and sandy and people wore sandals. no one wanted that in their house so in most well to do houses the lest powerful position man/woman/servant would wash the guests and homeowners feet with a pitcher and bowl as to not track in dirt on rugs etc as many people sat on the floor. For Jesus to wash his disciples' feet was a showing of humility and how a leader should serve his followers .

[@mattbybee5354]

Yes that's all true but to usurp the custom of humility and make it a ritual that mocks the truth of yeshua is an abomination

[@ah5721]

@@mattbybee5354 if it is a mockery I wouldn't know not having the ritual done becaue it's like an urbane legend in Mormon culture. But if it is like as described by the lady then yes I would agree with you that it's not right

[@jarmainedriver330]

Though the Jewish faith might be the reason for tradition but more so in context and intent biblically...The washing of the feet was more about the understanding that Jesus would be betrayed and those denying His doing so would remain unclean and not with Him...even though he carried out this act He is the only one who could purify them

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

Keep in mind some cities were paved in marble and boots and socks items were worn on feet.. depends what trade was crafting... sandals just a garment as like boots... since Rome was north and southern climates their attire is a variety of things... but Mormons kind of go hand in hand with America jn the sense of killing crowns of people printing money... kind of don't like aggressive people... it's like a wicked energy spirit exists in a system that is off base... but unaccountable crimes are a thing... seems pretty far from the logic of say Louis 14 made more logical sense... no secrets... but then you have other leaders... but the world is strange more money commands and owns more people... lol.. but all children jnheeits whatever is around them... today a girl with her smarts xalled the whole thing a cult and called out the ritual and cult systems and spearte of virtue out.. but j a way that was clever... only a few people could understand. Sadly cults provide power and shelter from life in another sense so your jn bandage to whatever madness rules... during a lesson.. it was good, but they should pull the plank out of their own eye... ie the one up man's hip of the catholic nonsense for money, so far away from truth... or making fences around the law.... so good questions. Is does God come first before the concept of Mormons? Another good example is Sunday is a roman God... so.. if I fly in a concord and experience two Sundays is that double holy or good or sabbath.. sk it reveals the error sand lack of reason and rational.. instead of being open to truth the close it off... only virtues and law... but they make fences like every kther cult.. obscuring truth... you can day you don't know.. sknxe well your not God... like evolution becomes a fight, sk the sheel leading the sheep or lambs leading lambs are well becoming wrechid or damaged because their is lack of communication of truth.. as all the churches and families die. These people have slain kings and queens and stolen their data.. they still get laid by a state by their assets give them like any cult an jnrequited access to it.. where socialism puts all humans on the same fitting... but cults and nk tax and whatever and a few wars.. anything you discover invent or love never committed a crime is then taken or devoured by another group that acts cruel... but not all humans are like that jn all cults but collectively there js a wicked streak j Mormons.. economically sigh.

[@kta6481]

Mormons are not Christian’s.

[@utah133]

Every cult has an self made elite class.

[@ChrisS-dt3vq]

Seems to be

[@utah133]

@@markwillhite9200 Religion isn't real. It's made up by humans.

[@jackywhite880]

...And a collection box...

[@LizzaJo]

false God

[@utah133]

@@LizzaJo In my opinion all gods are false, including "Mr. Yahway".

[@Grumpy_gurl]

There is no free pass to commit sins!

[@1luv4j]

Volition of law. For God flows perfect love. Jesus is perfect love in the ABBA in the heart of mother. Everyone Christian dose the I am washed in blood sounds like crime seen of prey victims. So lets commune in perfect Gods love and joy and then littery be blameless children. Peace in stillness

[@stevenanselmi5051]

Y’all know this is a cult right?

[@Lufsixq]

@@stevenanselmi5051 All religions a cults. If you are indoctrinated and told not to question anything then that is a cult.

[@jpreston4505]

Maybe there is no such thing as sin someone made that up to control people

[@SteamPoweredSmurfette]

Uh yeah there is, it's called the second anointing didn't you listen to the video? (I'm being sarcastic as an exmo in case that isn't clear 😅)

[@Helen3691]

The terminology sounds like something a group of sixth graders would make up for their secret club. 😆

[@ImFundingDirect]

She’s lying

[@bevtaylor2856]

Called a cult

[@donnahalczyszak7057]

The he-man's women haters club Spanky is the president.

[@debfox]

@@ImFundingDirectno she’s not. Research is more!

[@bobdavis9727]

= an elaborated story embellished over time

[@sunshinelizard1]

WHAT? Oh wow, this is how gurus go down the path to cult and sexual abuse. OMG, this is horrifying, cart blanche to do anything, sick. That misses the entire reason to practice morals and to care about your impact on others, and the foundations of love. This is a smack in the face to Christ.

[@debranightengale4352]

These LDS LIES, ARE SO UNTRUE.🥸😵‍💫😪😢😭😱

[@4jgarner]

​@@debranightengale4352 all LDS lies are untrue. That's why they are being exposed.

[@LizzaJo]

​@@kylethedalek false God

[@halodisciple8459]

She's mistaken. This is not true. I'm not familiar with the "2nd anointing" or whatever it is she called it, but I guarantee you they are still held accountable if they commit any sins. Ridiculous.

[@carmensandiego7749]

@@kylethedalek Because they won't be held accountable for future sins. Like taking a dozen other 13 year old wives. All you have to do is look at the "Fundamentalist" Mormon groups that still exist today to know what Joseph Smith 's intentions were. And the man that was heading up that group is in jail for child rape and trafficking.

[@debbieclark9469]

This is such a contradiction. Sin is evil, but if you are super religious it's OK. Spare me.

[@joharrison6014]

Well, just look at the things Abraham, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young did. They were not real good people. (At least it seems real bad from what i can understand)

[@susanmurphy958]

Yeah really, I'm with you Debbie.

[@trishparham7426]

you have to be a member of the Cult and willing to be brain 🧠 wa$hed

[@Tinyoak2]

OR the three different levels of heaven : Celestial kingdom, Terrestrial kingdom, and the Telestial kingdom. Only the holiest of holy get to go to the Celestial Kingdom where they sit at the feet of God Himself, The Terrestrial is for the rest of the Mormons ( Only Mormons) and the Telestial is for those "who received not the gospel of Christ, nor the testimony of Jesus." It will also include "liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie", as well as "murderers, and idolaters". Apparently having a 3 foot solid Golden Angel on top of a pure while marble Temple that only elders and the most righteous are allowed to enter is not Idolatry. The curtain ripped when Jesus said "it is done" , but the Mormons sewed it back together. That is the Church I sadly grew up in and thankfully left.

[@debbieclark9469]

@@Tinyoak2 I also left at the age of 17. I was always torn between which God is he...love and mercy, or vengeance. Still, I tend to lean towards a God of mercy and love. Wherever he places me in the afterlife, I will be happy.

[@MichelleCreate324]

Thanks so much for sharing that!😊’m an active member of the Church. I love that the wife got to wash her husband’s feet! ❤❤❤ I love that each of the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed the feet of his disciples. So the wife symbolically was included as one of Jesus’s disciples by getting to wash the felt of her husband! There’s nothing demeaning in that whatsoever. I know of an amazing couple that had their “calling and election made sure” in the temple! 😊 Such a sacred and true ordinance that can only be performed under proper authority in the temple. It would be interesting to hear what her father actually said about “any” sin being covered after the ordinance. We believe in keeping our covenants but we still sin even if we’re doing that. He probably didn’t mean that they can go out and commit adultery or get drunk. I’m so grateful to know that the church is true. I hope I get the honor of washing my husband’s feet in the temple one day because of that ordinance. It has everything to do with honoring women disciples of Jesus Christ, not demeaning them.

[@elijimenez7710]

Huh

[@kayfitzgerald309]

You "hope" your husband gets to have his own planet & be a "god" too😂

[@droundyCubby]

why not, there's a whole universe out there and ever expanding. @@kayfitzgerald309

[@roxyweka]

Looking at the relationship between Jesus and his disciples and you looking at it to support the wife washing the husband's feet doesn't stand right. It should have been the other way around , the husband washing washing the feet of the wife.

[@annedavis3340]

​@@roxyweka shhhh don't burst her bubble she won't reply anyway

[@pfoxworth7]

The church has brought me so much joy. Literally the greatest blessing of my life. Everyone is held accountable for everything they do. This is a misrepresentation.

[@danhoen4129]

The entire point of the second anointing is that the ones that receive this already have their "calling and election made sure", meaning that they have already punched their ticket to heaven. Which means they don't have to account for any sins from that point on. If you believe "this is a misrepresentation", you are clearly ignorant regarding the second anointing.

[@koltoncrane3099]

Well that’s one way to put it. I wouldn’t say a free pass. Clearly people still sin. But it’s like when the scriptures say don’t ask for things you know you shouldn’t. If someone gets the second announting you probably have shown you wont go out and commit a serious sin like rape or murder. Makes me think of wiki on war crimes. France committed as many rapes as the Russians did during ww2. It does seem odd it seems like it’s a free pass, but the few that get it probably have become such a person that they’d behave better.

[@danhoen4129]

@@koltoncrane3099 Yeah, I doubt that many of these people are going out and committing serious crimes. However, there is a rumor that Tim Ballard received his second anointing. If so, perhaps that is why he felt justified doing the things he did. Perhaps the most interesting thing about the second anointing is why it even exists in the first place. Why have something that makes the atonement obsolete?

[@CarlosWashingtonMercado]

Probably it is.

[@taylorphillips5189]

@@danhoen4129 this is not true Joseph smith taught about this directly and stated himself these blessings are conditional among remaining faithful . Aka obstructing from sin and living the gospel as you should.

[@lindsay644]

This explains soooooo much. So much of the arrogance of many of the men and why they get creepier and creepier for the most part. I could feel it as a kid.

[@TheMullerator]

You are a dolt!

[@Candy_Mountain]

Why there’s so much porn & sexual abuse

[@jeremygunter8806]

That's just your prejudice against old people and your way of justifying it. This random woman on the internet is making it up. Receiving a second anointing doesn't give someone a free pass to sin. It means the men and women who receive it are held to such a high standard they need to be highly cognizant of sin and avoid it. How do I know? From time to time, leaders in the Church have been excommunicated for behavior that probably would not have caused a general layperson in the Church to be excommunicated.

[@Raero3764]

When uv been a member for several years and then only learn of soooooo many hidden truths. Your world is turned upside down. So grateful I have an understanding and testimony of God and jesus. God is everywhere. He is within and around and I'm grateful for Finding my truth outside the restraits and doctrinaire of the church. I love my lds brothers & sisters always but I choose to walk in my truth with God and not falsehood. Peace & blessings to all :)

[@daisydriver5877]

Good for you , 🌹 As they say, "All that glitters is Not gold". May God guide your steps and may your faith remain pure and untainted!

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Isn’t the truth all in the bible?

[@MichelleCreate324]

In the temple the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed his ancient disciples feet, the wife washing her husband's feet means that she's one of Jesus's disciples. It has nothing to do with demeaning women. It has to do with honoring them. Also we believe in keeping the commandments of God. We can't hear what her father actually said. I'm sure he did not mean that after the ordinance they can go out and commit adultery or get drunk, whatever. I know an elderly couple that got to go to the temple and receive that ordinance. It was absolutely sacred and wonderful. It has nothing to do with getting a free pass on committing serious sin. Those that receive the ordinance are very righteous men and women.

[@waynelacroix8870]

It's their way of welcoming you to the inner circle of knowing things that are not told to lesser members. It's a way of controlling you by giving you something special and using it as a lever against you. It's a huge lie about the Lord and about the body of Christ.

[@debranightengale4352]

NOT TRUE!!!

[@galesk344]

@@debranightengale4352 ok

[@marciagallardo3437]

😂😂😂😂 No!! Far from it. It’s laughable.. this is what happens when people believe everything someone tells them. It’s hearsay, it’s what she believes. But doesn’t make it true.

[@ImFundingDirect]

This woman is lying trust me been in the church 40 years she’s telling lies. If you choose to believe Her then you look ridiculous because it’s not true

[@waynelacroix8870]

@@debranightengale4352 the leaders of your church are not telling you everything. There are things that you are not allowed to look into. What does that tell you about your church leaders? What does that tell you about the Mormon faith when it is forbidden to research it's history? Think for yourself!

[@LaurenRichardsEvans]

You can literally search it on Wikipedia the second anointment, and it's proceedings. It's not a secret, and it's not as disturbing as she's making out.

[@teemarie5478]

Someone being told they can do whatever and it wouldn’t be considered a sin is disturbing and ridiculous. Only in cults would this make sense.

[@LaurenRichardsEvans]

@@teemarie5478 Cult needs to stop being used to describe this because cult means open/knowledge, all churches & religions are by definition cults but an occult is secret/closed knowledge, so this woman is claiming to reveal 'closed' practises when it is not closed, it is public knowledge. You are correct that no one should be encouraging sin, but that is the fault of the person in question telling her and not church doctrine. The church in the past always ex communicated such a person for twisting church rules.

[@scottpound411]

Thank you 🙏🏻!!!

[@Clara-eu3mp]

@@LaurenRichardsEvans when people say "cult" in this context they mean a high-demand and high-control group. Cults can be secret or public, religious or nonreligious, small or large.

[@CJ-im2uu]

2nd Annoitting sounds like women must submit to to men/their husbands, much different meaning than the woman who washed Jesus' feet with her tears. Islam still practices "cleansing" before enteriing a mosque. Jews practice the mikveh or keri - a ritual cleansing. Christians practice batpism

[@DarisLancaster]

My mother was a physically abusive very controlling communal narcissist. Of course she had to tell me the moment she had this done in the temple. Since she'd never asked for anyone's forgiveness for the abuse she doled out to us over the years I just kind of laughed at it. I'm sure she never planned on sinning but loved to tell everyone else how sinful they were! SMDH😂

[@janice2992]

Did they kick her out?

[@DavidGomez-le7if]

I am LDS, but I still like to do my own research upon the church

[@lancebauer5010]

I'm lds to I believe the gospel I've been to the temple 1 time baptism for the dead but I've hear crazy things and wonderful things I'm not very active but it's not because of the church

[@tonidavis1045]

There is NOTHING, in the BIBLE, about this mess!! DON'T BELIEVE IT!! Just some of the lies that cults use!!

[@lennielefler2081]

Well, Truly if you’re still mormon but doing research- you aren’t doing it right. Pick. ANY mormon belief- and it’s wrong and probably has been changed over the years… but don’t give up!! I did the same years ago and I found all the lies

[@trex2092]

Take the RED PILL.

[@halodisciple8459]

I'm LDS and also do my own research. I have found what she's saying to be false.

[@BenjaminGessel]

A “free pass” to commit (grievous) sin… No, this is false. There is no such ordinance or rite, etc. where a person can commit any sin afterward, and that’s ok. Being Godly means being Godly. That’s it. The WHOLE PURPOSE of EVERYTHING about the church is to help people to be MORE Godly, not less. This is patently false.

[@carmiadkins6716]

AMEN TO THAT!!!

[@neurotika]

Definw "being godly".

[@BenjaminGessel]

@@neurotika The kinds of things that God does, or is happy with others doing in his presence.

[@goneballistic]

BenjaminGessel is right. there is no free pass for sin.

[@sandybartlett1333]

False. There is no right or ordinance that allows a person to commit sin. All ordinances are attached to and with even more difficult commitments and commandments. So quite the opposite Nice try tho

[@jakeostler6110]

This couldn't be farther from the truth

[@nicoledeloncrais5940]

Wow 😳 she is publicly displaying her inability to hear and comprehend. ABSOLUTELY no one gets a free pass sweetie. Praying 🙏 that she overcomes whatever hurts she is obviously carrying in her heart.

[@user-he5gw5mk6j]

Quit trying to block her truth people 👀 If you weren’t present with her stop trying to rebuttal what she is saying.

[@user-er1wf7kl3i]

​@user-he5gw5mk6j HEr truth. That is such a stupid saying and I'm sick of hearing "muh truuth" hate to break it to you but truth is not subjective. Don't care what the hell she thought she heard or her interpretation of it

[@110everyday6]

When I was baptized and became a member of the Church, it changed my life forever, I’m grateful for the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@blue-planet-cinema]

You were sealed to a covenant with the devil

[@bewitched3912]

The founder used religion as the excuse to commit crimes and serial adultery. The cat's outta the bag, Baby!! 😅

[@johnchildree782]

I have never heard of this before. There is no such thing as a free pass for sin. I don't know if she even knows what she is talking about. I hear so much stuff about the LDS church that is not true.

[@marcus.H]

I have heard of it, and I'm not a member. Have you researched it yet?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

I'm ex-mormon and I'm telling you, out of love, you are being lied to.

[@tylerdurden4080]

​@ASMRyouVEGANyet I take all my faith based advice from former members. They give me advice and I do the opposite of what they say. So far it's worked out great.

[@marcus.H]

@@tylerdurden4080 here's where there's a slight problem - for decades, all the things in the gospel topics essays were said out loud by the exmo community Were they right? Well, the church certainly seems to finally agree. Yet for decades these opinions were widely called "anti-mormon lies" Turned out they were true The rock in a hat ✅ The multiple wives for JS ✅ The Adam God doctrine ✅ All established and true. Yet the church widely accused exmo people of being unreliable The truth is better than a lie. It's more powerful when an exmo says "Joseph lied to Emma, lied to the church, and lied to the government" rather than making something up that later turns out to be false I'm not an exmo. I have never attended an LDS church. But please may I ask, _has any exmo ever actually lied about the church?_ I'm not a member but I'd be very interested to know what exact falsehood you accuse them of please

[@goneballistic]

@@tylerdurden4080 this is a good plan actually

[@debfox]

The insanity is that they literally elevated themselves to the level of God, pushed Him off His throne and decided they knew better than God Himself! 😮

[@nance1111]

They don't tell you any of this when they're recruiting you. There are a lot of things they conveniently omit from the missionary lessons. I guess they figure if you find out the crazy stuff a little at a time, you won't run screaming away.

[@MrSparklespring]

Yep, you're sucked into it and you're informed on a 'need to know' basis. Clearly controlled at the top by the dark side.

[@ah5721]

There is alot to cover that can't be told and most missionaries aren't told this so it's not their fault.

[@nance1111]

@@ah5721 I agree that young missionaries are not at "fault" in the deception that's clearly occurring.

[@kathleenterry4733]

Most of the church members aren't even aware of this or about the leadership receiving stipends. I guess it's on a need to know basis.

[@isaacserville2110]

Actually the reason for this is a verse in D&C which is used to promote information control. The gist of it is "They're not ready to know". In terms of cults, this just means that you shouldn't spill any secrets until your sure they've been brainwashed enough.

[@rickwilliamson9248]

Would help if we knew what "top leader" was her father.

[@franktorelli5456]

Right. I call BS. The words I've heard don't comport. It's the Second Comforter which is direct ministration of Jesus and those people aren't supposed to discuss it. What I understand is that all sins committed after having your "Calling and Election made Sure" requires personal accountability, making repentance more difficult. I need an active, seasoned member of the Mormon Church confirm and acknowledge my understanding.

[@goneballistic]

@@franktorelli5456 there is no free pass from sin. She's just speculating

[@chrisberry4945]

I know someone who some people could call a "top leader" (he wasn't... he held positions of responsibility some thought were really important), who was lying to his wife and children his entire life. He was doing all sorts of crazy things and telling them he was fine. That's one person's narcissism and mental illness. They won't say who it is because she knows it's not true.

[@franktorelli5456]

@@goneballistic In fact, I've read that in this special relationship greater trials come to them, and of those directly related to their choices thereafter.

[@tylarsen1198]

If you look at the full length video it tells you exactly who, Hartman Rector Jr

[@Ren-wd9oc]

Mercy cannot rob justice and justice cannot rob mercy. No one can sin and be saved in the Kingdom. Satans plan was to save us in our sins. Heavenly Father states that “He cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance “.

[@BSmithPPG]

I’m always amazed at how people who have supposedly left an organization never really leave and don’t move on.

[@Witchypoo5576]

Nothing like cult brainwashing

[@JR-playlists]

By cult brainwashing, you mean every religion uses brainwashing & fear, kind of like faux "news"

[@halodisciple8459]

What she's saying is false. It's not true.

[@Witchypoo5576]

@@halodisciple8459 never been around Mormons have ya

[@lynettecash4229]

So, you going to believe this? hogwash! Come on man! She is sitting there flapping her lips and you people want to take it as gospel truth! WOW! You sure can't think on your own!

[@nancyj.ellington6407]

Smacks a bit of Scientology BS.....

[@queensarah5945]

Wow, I'm disgusted!

[@ImFundingDirect]

Don’t be fooled she’s lying

[@ImFundingDirect]

What a lie that she’s telling is disgusting? Why don’t you do some homework? The LDS people are very upstanding and beautiful.

[@queensarah5945]

@@ImFundingDirect lds people treat me like garbage. They are not upstanding and beautiful.

[@ImFundingDirect]

@@queensarah5945 well they saved me with there kindness sorry to hear your bad experiences but the doctrine should help us become Christ like . Hopefully those people will understand they were responsible for your bad experiences

[@queensarah5945]

@@ImFundingDirect thank you for your kind response.

[@DeannaWalsh]

That lady knows so little of Christ, so she just appears to spin a web to ensnare those that will be as beguiled as she is. Close your ears and go to the Lord for your answers and the “the truth will be manifest to you by the power of the Holy Ghost”.

[@ChristinaMarilynCook]

No free passes for sin. We must REPENT & ask God for forgiveness each time we sin.❤

[@dr.garyhatcher8364]

Man that's better than a get-out-of-jail-free card.

[@sawfiler1958]

Just imagine standing before God and knowing that this free pass to sin was not free at all. For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23

[@ah5721]

100%

[@markmiller6751]

Never sin if they sin???? Oh.come on. Sounds like a good ole boys club to me.

[@droundyCubby]

She doesn't understand. The people who take on something like this know that to commit something other than the little things we do every day would be to do an unpardonable sin and whether you beleive it or not, they do and they are the kind of people who would not want to commit an unpardonable sin.

[@user-eu2yt2zi5i]

I am a member of CJLDS.. and i learn that we are free to choose but we are not free to choose the consequences, accountability is important. I have an accountability of every choices of everything to God. Weakness is never was happiness. No unclean things can dwell in the presence of God the church and the temple reminds us to be faithful in keeping the commandments of God, that salvation without exaltation is damnation.. Yes we believe that all mankind may be save(but) by obedience to the laws and ordinaces of the gospel.. (and also a principles of the gospel) i learn also to the restored gospel that our God can judge us according to the scripture i mean according to His words that is written in the scripture. And also according to the disire of our hearts, He did not expect us to be perfected but He expect us to do all things in our whole heart minds and strength to follow His will and that is enough.. I want to tell also to this sister that there is no washing of feet.. inside the temple except if you will go to the comfort room to wash your feet..✌

[@waynelacroix8870]

I just love how Mormons use words like gospel and testimony out of context trying to sound like Christians but seasoned Christians can pick that up right away!

[@marciagallardo3437]

😂😂😂😂

[@kristhebliss2024]

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@antoniopetisce3417]

Oh really 😂

[@kaimybendecidayvictoriosa3683]

Yes!!!

[@patshepherd784]

I have been lds for 40 years and don’t know what she is talking about.

[@rociocontreras-hayes7996]

I have been a member of the church for almost 15 years and I can assure that our church will never lead you to do evil or wrong . My understanding is this is what she wants to believe and this is what she wants to understand and that’s her story her reality and no one can argue that . One thing is you will never hear this from an active member who is aiming to be their best versions of themselves.

[@nedacoffee7778]

You're wrong, do some research on second anointing

[@sandburgmartin7947]

Years ago a military sgt invited a group of us young guys on post to his house for big spaghetti supper with all the trimmings. We went, ate up, enjoyed, even offered to help clean up. Were told all was good & to relax in living room. A few minutes later two "missionaries" came to door, came in, gave spiel about "one true church". This reminded me of Am..y or timeshare sales hook. Most of us were either protestant, a few Catholic. We avoided this sgt as much as possible, it was never brought up again. We did not like trickery of a cult.

[@mattbybee5354]

Yeah it's a cult but so is the Catholic Church. Yeshua is the narrow gate to the father. We come one at a time to the Cross admitting we are hopeless sinners and are sealed with the holy Spirit till the day of redemption. False gospels and churches are idolatry.

[@mitsuracer87]

Yet you follow another so called cult. Makes sense

[@droundyCubby]

you got a meal out of it! And a good one, too.

[@TainuiaKid1973]

Let’s not smear an entire religion because one person’s zeal exceeded their tact.

[@bethelightdesigns]

Making stories up to cast darkness towards the church of Jesus Christ is simply "bearing false witness".

[@prestonsmith8205]

So is lying to the IRS, SEC, and followers about 100 billion dollars

[@prestonsmith8205]

@@GH23d7sL45 nothing is certain but some damning evidence about making fake businesses to hide wealth and remain tax exempt has been presented with church leaders dogging questions about it like a politician would.

[@theconservative1967]

@bethelightdesigns There is only 1 true Church of Jesus Christ, and that is the Roman Catholic Church. The LDS is the Church of Joseph Smith, a Sinful Man

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

You may want to learn of the history of this church, Jesus is not created, so many unbiblical doctrines in the Mormon church, you need to learn about the Mormon doctrine.

[@ryant6134]

Inactive member here. Served a mission and was married in the temple. All of my family is active. This is a little known practice for the elites and higher ups in the church. It’s not made up at all. You can even Google this and find where church leaders talk about it, particularly early church leaders.

[@judipoll5866]

She looks hard and rebellious. Each can choose for themselves. The world usually ridicules spiritual things that are far beyond them. REMEMBER, " Your ways are not my ways."

[@trishparham7426]

Run run as fast as you can.

[@NihilIslands]

That is the kind of psychic suggestion I would get from A.J. Miller when entering and standing in front of a certain crook president!

[@MichelleCreate324]

In the temple the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed his ancient disciples feet, the wife washing her husband's feet means that she's one of Jesus's disciples. It has nothing to do with demeaning women. It has to do with honoring them. Also we believe in keeping the commandments of God. We can't hear what her father actually said. I'm sure he did not mean that after the ordinance they can go out and commit adultery, etc. I know an elderly couple that got to go to the temple and receive that ordinance. It was absolutely sacred and wonderful. It has nothing to do with getting a free pass on committing serious sin. Those that receive the ordinance are very righteous men and women. I would be honored to wash my husband's feet for that purpose.

[@GregorSamsa000]

...You can't catch me, I am the mormon with the free pass man!

[@loud_laughter]

Please believe me: this is not a thing. The more responsibility one gains in the mormon church, the more righteousness is expected & required. There is NO free pass.

[@alexisvalere4095]

Liar

[@ColinTaylor-td9vy]

No I can confirm he’s telling the truth. We don’t reward people being righteous with allowing them to commit “free sin” it sounds extremely unsound if you break it down

[@HardNigga-tr4uy]

WRONG. OPEN YOUR EYES! you think ALL of the people who have talked about and experienced this are lying? Every single one a part of some bizarre conspiracy? Come on now, use your big boy logic.

[@ScottBird17]

Every hater has their two cents of objective. She had no clue what she's talking about. You can tell the way she's speaking.

[@endlessrandomprojects]

She misunderstood the last part. It’s not that they can’t sin… it’s that they shouldn’t sin. They are now held to a higher standard.

[@Tahimate]

She misunderstood. Calling election make sure mean you absolutely know. That is where denying of the Holy Ghost and blasphemy come to play a role. There is no forgiveness after that.

[@jpr9863]

​@@Tahimate Not true. That is not the intent or purpose of that ceremony. It's to boost the egos and loyalty of high-paying tithers.

[@kerryhoyle7569]

this is very true. And also one of the reasons , as I got older and learned more, I left the church.

[@MichelleCreate324]

In the temple the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed his ancient disciples feet, the wife washing her husband's feet means that she's one of Jesus's disciples. It has nothing to do with demeaning women. It has to do with honoring them. Also we believe in keeping the commandments of God. We can't hear what her father actually said. I'm sure he did not mean that after the ordinance they can go out and commit adultery or get drunk. I know an elderly couple that got to go to the temple and receive that ordinance. It was absolutely sacred and wonderful. It has nothing to do with getting a free pass on committing serious sin. Those that receive the ordinance are very righteous men and women.

[@deniseduclos5987]

I'm Mormon I have never heard of this. It's not true. I've been a member almost 30 years

[@JamesTudsbury]

I was a member 10yrs, I heard about it many times, it's well-known amongst church members.

[@MichelleCreate324]

In the temple the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed his ancient disciples feet, the wife washing her husband's feet means that she's one of Jesus's disciples. It has nothing to do with demeaning women. It has to do with honoring them. Also we believe in keeping the commandments of God. We can't hear what her father actually said. I'm sure he did not mean that after the ordinance they can go out and commit adultery or get drunk, whatever. I know an elderly couple that got to go to the temple and receive that ordinance. It was absolutely sacred and wonderful. It has nothing to do with getting a free pass on committing serious sin. Those that receive the ordinance are very righteous men and women.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

You don't need this to get into heaven.. Mormonism is a cult, Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

[@AlexLightGiver]

Listen up. God doesn't make demands..but religion does. Let that sink in

[@louiserosenstock8281]

Mormon Stories is run by inactive/X members, very rarely do they interview members to discuss their anti-mormon rhetoric. I am a member, it matters not to me which version of the vision is accurate, or if there is DNA proving the Book of Mormon over a 7800 mile radius. What matters to me is that the Church of Jesus Christ has the same leadership structure Brought in my Moses, in fact it is closer than practiced by todays Judaism (my family are Jews also). I remain a member because the structure and lifestyle helps me stay close to the Holy Spirit. I have nothing against other faiths, or those who do not have a faith, so why these people are running this hate campaign is beyond me.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

It's a cult

[@marleyelmer4294]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyetwhat’s your definition of a cult?

[@pandorasrevelations9873]

Boredom, bitterness, hatred....clout, money, fame....all of it.

[@MissDarknSpooky]

I am very happy that you have found a place of worship that serves your needs! To answer your question regarding the hate campaign, it's because so many people have come to harm because of the belief systems and bad actors within the church. No one hates the believers of these systems, they hate the harm that they can cause. I hope this explains it well. I want to reiterate that I'm glad that you identify and love your religion, I think it's important to have morals and beliefs that are close to your heart, but make sure to extend grace to those who have been wronged at the hand of bad actors and hurtful docterine including trans people, people of color, people with disabilities, and women. I say this with love and hope you have a great day!

[@curtisdecker3175]

Yes!

[@cyasmiles4613]

Oh wow! My ex father-in- law received this. I had no idea.

[@halodisciple8459]

This isn't true. They don't let them "commit all kinds of sins" and aren't held accountable.

[@cyasmiles4613]

@@halodisciple8459 oh most definitely, they can't go all willy-nilly because the general public would find out.

[@findingouradventure_]

@@halodisciple8459 they are told that their calling and election is made sure, if they commit sin after then they are pardoned! Just because they don’t teach it in church doesn’t mean that this doesn’t happen for them! Wake up!

[@drew8256]

Women in the LDS church would never forget, no matter ow hard they work, they won’t have more authority than any 12 year old boy in the church.

[@lynphillips2109]

No. I highly, highly doubt this. If someone who makes this covenant she referrs to breaks a Commandment, they will be held accountable and their punishment will be more severe.

[@Livetoeat171]

Nope.

[@rabbithole2015]

Study up on the second annoiting.

[@Lynn.Panadero4242]

I’m calling her out on this one. Calling and election made sure is that you have become righteous enough that you would not commit sin. If you continue to sin, then you didn’t make it.

[@droundyCubby]

Disagree slightly, you might commit sin, that is what we are here on earth for, but you would immediately seek repentance and it would certainly be something small. Just because a person is the offspring of someone important does not mean they know diddlysquat about what their parents know.

[@LClayton67]

Someone needs to figure out how much a member is worth in "tithes" over a period of their lifetime... that's the price of admission for secret rituals.

[@Ofa337]

A free pass if you commit what is considered a sin. And where does that appear in the bible? Mormon bible? A mortal man named Smith makes up a religion and the teachings for that religion. Sounds Mighty Dangerous.

[@jackywhite880]

I don't accept any religion because I simply don't share their beliefs. But I object to both Mormonism and Scientology because they're patent modern frauds.

[@AlexSLopez-oe2bd]

Sorry people feel the need to make things up. Why spread untruths?

[@taxat10n1sth3ft]

There are things in the Bible which could lead a foolish person to believe that this is a true Christian practice. That is why it's important to know the full counsel of the Gospel, so that you can identify when something is not right. We have to practice discernment.

[@alyssaoconnor]

That’s usually how religions start, mortal man starts telling stories then people start believing them.

[@halodisciple8459]

What she's saying isn't true. It's not anywhere in our doctrine. And "our Bible" is the same Bible all the other Christian churches use. The one with Genesis, Exodus, Mathew, Mark, Luke. Etc. The Book of Mormon is not the Bible. It's another book of scripture written by ancient prophets comparable to the Bible.

[@roysmith7087]

I don't understand this teaching. Jesus washes the disciples feet. Jesus showed them through service like a servant. You don't get a free pass for sins You have to do the will of God and not just hear it Jesus Christ said " if you love me, keep my commands"

[@beeapprentice2725]

What she is saying contains many falsehoods, haven't you heard that you can't believe anything on the internet?

[@marcialandakanebeaulieu9229]

"Pride goeth before destruction and a hauty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18.

[@johnfairchild3421]

No free pass

[@kristhebliss2024]

There’s no way that is even possible since it’s directly in contrast to doctrine

[@lorihone7478]

I agree ! Such bull shzzzz

[@weskory3854]

Pretty sure there’s zero “normies” in the church that have ever had their calling and election made sure-I.e, the second anointing. This is all exclusive to the brethren and whomever they want in there.

[@douglaslang2218]

Heresy is dangerous and so many Christians are so hyper concerned with hating another church instead of living their own gospel. They need to cast stones because it makes them feel empowered. I hope one day they get to know Christ like I have.

[@ritaconley9544]

If only they knew the real spirit none of this would be necessary. Next, they will be selling tickets to Kolob.

[@red4power1]

She’s so completely misinformed it’s laughable!!!

[@natassiahammond323]

My God bless her soul inspite of her spreading false doctrine. 🙏🏽

[@plumtree8713]

The real doctrine is whosoever is born of God doesn't commit sin. To say we can sin without being held accountable. Is false, for if we go on sinning willfully. There remains no more sacrifice for sins.

[@CEturd]

That last part is bogus. What she's referring to is having something close to a perfect knowledge of God. Which holds you to a higher standard. What a twist of words.

[@TheAzmountaineer]

The more power someone has, the more corrupt they become. Why? Because they can.

[@PsychicReverendDonnaSeraphina]

I am wondering if Chad Daybell could have already gone through this anointing and that could have been part of the reason why he thought it was okay to murder people?

[@ryryrysilver]

Exactly why the leaders are so confident in their hypocrisy

[@kanatajones3005]

Thank you for breaking the secrets behavior.

[@halodisciple8459]

This is not true. The idea that they can commit all kinds of sins and not be held accountable is a lie. She has no proof. She's going by something she heard how long ago? She's mistaken.

[@mortenle]

"More Sure Witness" because their membership commitments aren't enough to keep each other silent about lies.

[@10christypa]

This doesn’t mean a free pass to sin…it means you are humble and repent consistently and have NO MORE WILL TO SIN. Also, your mom was able to perform a ritual. That’s cool! She was representing the Savior in that moment? Again, very cool.

[@ljones98391]

This would not be the first example of "a dedicated faithful leader" thinking they had a special deal with God. Not just for LDS men. Diabolical doctrine to rationalize sin.

[@suzannenixon8870]

They don't just pick faithful members. They pick members with status and money.

[@davidbeattie4294]

I love these rules. The con men that invented this scam really knew how to build themselves a good thing. A free sinners pass for the most devoted is sheer genius. Everyone's going to want to buy into that.

[@janice2992]

Yes but real devotion is hard. I come nowhere near.

[@droundyCubby]

Not that easy.

[@dadhacks9449]

I keep seeing this topic popping up on KZbin and it surprises me that people are surprised by it or that they are just learning about it. I learned about this on my mission some 30 + years ago. It never made sense to me but back then I believed everything so was like whatever🤷🏼‍♂️

[@AlexSLopez-oe2bd]

There is no such doctrine in the LDS church. No free pass....no committing sins and not being held accountable.

[@michelereber8680]

You are very wrong. Member for 57 years here. Thankfully x-mormon now.

[@DarisLancaster]

Not that you know of...

[@philrichmond957]

No. It's the exact opposite. If you have this, you make big time covenants to God, which means big responsibility and if you break those by sinning AT ALL, you can't repent

[@alycran]

Yup

[@krisgordon4851]

A FREE PASS FROM SIN?? Man, the higher you go in the hierarchy, the more the entitled, misogynistic MEN you find!! I wash no man's feet if he doesn't wash mine first!

[@ah5721]

funny thing is - Jesus washed his disciple's feet ...

[@halodisciple8459]

What she's saying is not true.

[@emptynesters2520]

This is insane. If the majority of the church body knew, trULy understood this concept, they’d be out!

[@richardbilodeau8532]

You can become a God is a teaching of Mormons, Stay in Truth

[@lornamoffett3326]

This and similar posts about the temple are very inappropriate. I have regularly attending the temple for forty years. I feel the peace of God when I am there. Be careful how you speak of sacred things. Pray for understanding. If you feel insecure or unsafe - those feelings are not of God. You should not go into a situation, of any sort, if you feel unsafe. Report it to the temple matron or your Ward or Stake Relief Society Pres

[@Caspersboo]

Barf, sickly sweet Mormon lingo. You are so wrong and should leave the "church" and go to cult counseling

[@MichelleCreate324]

In the temple the apostles wash each others feet like Jesus washed his ancient disciples feet, the wife washing her husband's feet means that she's one of Jesus's disciples. It has nothing to do with demeaning women. It has to do with honoring them. Also we believe in keeping the commandments of God. We can't hear what her father actually said. I'm sure he did not mean that after the ordinance they can go out and commit adultery or get drunk, whatever. I know an elderly couple that got to go to the temple and receive that ordinance. It was absolutely sacred and wonderful. It has nothing to do with getting a free pass on committing serious sin. Those that receive the ordinance are very righteous men and women.

[@suburbanhomesteadliving9212]

Wow, religion is so selfish... It's all about the relationship with Jesus Christ! Blessed Trinity!

[@edsedlak6827]

I can see where Chad and Lori got some of their ideas. I guess once you have bought into some mumbo jumbo why not go all-in.

[@christineleblond7777]

She's not credible. She even stumbles in trying to explain it. Not a reliable source. Sounds disjointed. Although I think SHE thinks she has some kind of inside knowledge of this. Kind of embarrassing for her.

[@anneriggs6609]

There is No Free Pass, and if You commit sin, after having the Calling and Election made Sure, your Eternal Welfare is in MAJOR Jeopardy. As in being cast into Outer Darkness, or what's commonly referred to as Hell. I feel so sorry for this woman. She's saying things that are insanely untrue, and she'll certainly answer for it, but not to anyone on Earth.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Oh bugger off. Threatening people in the afterlife is maximum cowardly garbage

[@KatieKat75]

I don’t believe that. Free pass??????? No

[@or529]

So sad. Man constantly changing the Word Of God to serve his purpose instead of God's. I pray we as his children keep our own lives straight with God.

[@peggys121]

Ugh. This is so gross. I heard her whole story. I’m still fuming! While I’m living the MOST perfect life I can and handing over money I should have used to feed my kids…. No bad movies, no I’ll speaking, no anything.. oh… and only did in the bedroom what the brethren said we could do… 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@Mr.Ut21]

This is what the BoM calls 'priestcraft'.

[@austindecker7643]

Except it’s not priestcraft is teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ for a price or for self riches or for selfish reasons like money

[@tammymyer5347]

Yes, spent many years of your life so somebody can lead you straight into hell. That’s exactly how the devil works. It amazes me that people don’t pick up the Bible and read it for themselves and make a decision. They follow various religions and allow them to direct them through the Bible.

[@halodisciple8459]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is lead by Christ himself. Some day everybody will come to know this.

[@johnleonard9102]

I heard a bit about this from one of my mission companions, and honestly I didn't doubt it because it makes sense. Christ washed the feet of his Apostles, but you don't see anywhere else where he washes other people's feet. I can see this being interpreted as another covenant that an Apostle would make as they are called to that high position. We as regular members don't know too much about it because this isn't a requirement for salvation; all we need to really strive for is being sealed in the temple and anything extra after that depends on how actively we can engage in helping lead the church. It's like with the military how you don't need to be at the very top of the food chain going into all the top secret security clearances in order to be an effective member of the military.

[@kateysandon]

I’m pretty sure God does not see women as beneath men. A lot of these religions call for women to be the weakest one. This is modern times and I’m glad people are speaking up

[@billystanhope5855]

I refer to South Park. dumb da, dumb. dumb, dumb

[@pbjsilverstudio4882]

‘All the brothern have had it’ and ‘you can sun but you’re not held accountable for it’. Holy 💩. That carte blanc to ‘do’ to others, basically kids and older young people and it’s no wonder they are not made to go through what the victims and women are made to go through to regain ‘worthiness’. Makes me want to spew every cuss word I know. No wonder my family is soooo messed up.

[@halodisciple8459]

Too many sheeple believe what she's saying. Do your own research, but sadly many of you won't. You don't care to find out the truth about what she's saying. She is mistaken.

[@keepinitreal938]

​@@halodisciple8459 clearly you haven't researched it.

[@HaleStorm49]

Makes sense...Christ instituted the practice... but only for his Apostles telling Peter that "What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this" If Peter didn't understand it at that time I don't think it's fair to assume antimormons and strip mall sectarians would get it either.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Coming from you, this is a fabulous compliment.

[@hardhittn8063]

The wife washing the husband's feet is linked to Mary's anointing Christ prior to his death. Wife doesn't just wash the man's feet, she also prepares his body as if he is dead and then lays her hands on his head and gives him a blessing because she's been made a priestess and now has the priesthood! They forgot to mention that part. This entire thing is so secret that I found over 100 sources of it on the internet in about 30 seconds.

[@acuerdo3]

I don’t believe that person she talked to was right.

[@lorihone7478]

I agree

[@taxat10n1sth3ft]

You mean, her dad, who experienced the ritual himself? Yep, he's totally wrong about what happened behind those doors.

[@rabbithole2015]

Why don't you think she is right?

[@keepinitreal938]

​@@lorihone7478 it was her dad who was a general authority 70. Research it

[@joybischoff9558]

She definitely got some things wrong. I'm certain her father presented the information differently and she is twisting it.

[@MrRickle]

This is insanity. It’s sounds like insanity.

[@AlexSLopez-oe2bd]

It sounds like insanity because it is... Because it is not true

[@MrRickle]

@@AlexSLopez-oe2bd oh, wow. You actually believe it isn’t true? I believe it’s 110% true, it’s just complete insanity. Mormonism is fucking insanity.

[@danielslc88]

The way she said and the world says it SOUNDS like insanity.

[@buenaonda4808]

Isn’t it interesting that so many things are talked about by people who do not know? This is entirely incorrect. There are no free passes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is such a blessing to my life and I would not trade nor deny its teachings for anything.

[@PInk77W1]

I went to SLC temple square on a Sunday morning. The church was all locked up and chained. I went to the Vatican on Sunday morning, St. Peter’s was open and 1000s of tourists milling about.

[@HaleStorm49]

Render unto tourists what is tourists' and unto God what is God's.

[@PInk77W1]

@@HaleStorm49 Yikes

[@HaleStorm49]

@@PInk77W1 you nailed it.

[@cindymacferran331]

That’s because they are renovating Temple Square-little detail left out...

[@SabrinaMeShell]

because.. renovation.

[@georgegreen4407]

You don’t get a free pass. The point is that the person going through the ceremony has proven that when they do commit sins they repent fully, relying on the merits of Christ, and that due to their faithfulness, they will not commit any sins so grievous as to jeopardize their salvation. I can understand this woman’s concern but she just didn’t understand the doctrine or the context of what she was told.

[@dexterwarena1601]

If her parent is a top leader, what is their name please

[@shawnjensen3896]

Hartman rector jr. A very popular seventy in the church in the seventies and eighties

[@kj7653]

Thank you for sharing this with us. What she is saying is not true. There are some things she got right, but very little of it is correct and most of it is HOGWASH.

[@marilynpruitt7905]

Add who is the speaker.?

[@garthbarrett6067]

What a class system!