Dave Rubin disagrees with Peter Thiel that DeSantis' war on 'wokeness' is a distraction

[@23wtb]

"Before Disney crossed him on gay rights." Oh really, Gillespie, so the Parental Rights in Education bill was an attack on "gay rights," in your view? Not allowing state-employed educators to have secret sexy conversations with students without the knowledge of parents, to you, in your words, is an issue of "gay rights?" Just so we have this clear.

[@wheel-man5319]

If anyone did that and wasn't an 'educator' you'd consider them to be grooming the child to be a sigma epsilon chi partner... IOW you'd rightly consider them a groomer. A pedophile.

[@Justin_Beaver564]

DeSantis could have left it up to the school districts. Instead he decided to court controversy on something that's not important in the first place.

[@23wtb]

@@Justin_Beaver564 It wasn't DeSantis, it was the Florida State Legislature, and they decided to NOT "leave..." whether or not to let Government employees have secret sex conversations with students without parent knowledge "...up to the school districts," because that's insane. If you want to go hard to the paint for pro-grooming, that's your bag, and best of luck with it. Meanwhile the adults are going to wield the levers of power against Government to stop Government stooges from literally grooming children.

[@wheel-man5319]

@@Justin_Beaver564 If the issue is so unimportant then why are they pushing so hard to make sure it's in every school?

[@Justin_Beaver564]

@@wheel-man5319 Everyone has a "they". My "they" is the two party system. Get rid of the reactionary BS on both sides.

[@Andrina-fl9ef]

As someone who lives in a border state, Abbott and DeSantis bussing migrants to sanctuary cities was a fair move. There was no orderly system to their entry and border towns were suffering the most. Even the designated sanctuary cities they were sent to have declared the sudden influx of migrants was overwhelming and they only received a mere fraction of the total that entered. Now they are pleading for assistance in the same way border states were with New York suspending their right to shelter rules and in Chicago, citizens protesting where neighborhoods the mayor is choosing to house migrants.

[@Justin_Beaver564]

Anyone can give migrants bus tickets. Bus is this really the state government's responsibility?

[@23wtb]

@@Justin_Beaver564 Yes. It is the State Government's responsibility to protect its citizens from the malicious actions of other Government actors. This is the second time you've decided to protect malicious Government action. What kind of libertarian are you, exactly?

[@killercaos123]

Haven’t the detentions and arrests at the border gone down after Title 42 stopped?

[@Justin_Beaver564]

@@23wtb You're a paleo conservative, not a libertarian. David Nolan would fundamentally reject your views.

[@johnyoung5392]

As long as there is no border control, all migrants will be used for political/corporate gain. Don't pretend Martha's Vineyard was the first spark.

[@TheRealBrook1968]

Back to basics about property rights and upholding the Declaration and Constitution in a literal perception should fix all these issues.

[@Benignity1]

As someone who considers himself a Libertarian, it feels strange to side with a former democrat

[@ThePoliticrat]

It feels strange to side with Dave Rubin

[@harrydavis6117]

You just called yourself a republican lol

[@leslovesliberty1776]

Nick, we are NOT angry at immigrants, we are angry at our government for failing to stop ILLEGAL immigration!!

[@MaynardCrow]

It can be both. I can be angry that local companies have started using exclusively illegal aliens and hence denying job opportunities to American citizens, while also being angry that the state and federal governments enabled this behavior at the least, encouraged it at worst.

[@zeitgeist888]

If the US would actually fix the border and greatly reduce illegal immigration I seriously doubt the vast majority of conservatives/Republicans would be against more, quality and legal immigration.

[@dustinabc]

Do you believe in the constitution? Can you point out where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to deal with the issue of migration? I'll suggest you start and finish your search with the #10thAmendment Also- do you support freedom to exercise inalienable rights? Do you know what an inalienable right is? Because migration is an inalienable right.

[@JD2jr.]

@@dustinabc Sure, and that right should be protected for all citizens. Even if we restricted *all* immigration in, we still wouldn't be violating anyone's right to free travel; they just wouldn't be able to travel *here*, where we decide who comes and goes.

[@jer1014t2th]

@@dustinabc That's a fair point. 10th amendment - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. But the courts decided it was in their purview, and I don't see states fighting for control of immigration policy. It's a massive resource drain and probably should be uniform and uniformly enforced across the US. I will maintain the right of any Nation to control and regulate the flow of human traffic over its borders. Including my own. If states want more authority over immigration, then I suppose the border states should form a coalition and...well, start exercising their authority in that respect. Until then, a federal enforcement is the only feasible option. Uncontrolled, unregulated, unobserved migrations is a death knoll for any nation except perhaps those nations where no one wants to go. I'm all for legal migration - but illegal migration needs to be stopped and the existing laws on the books need to be enforced. Now, as to inalienable rights? Those are up for debate. Thomas Jefferson described them in the Declaration of Independence as, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." But in "pursuit of happiness," Thomas Jefferson was most likely referring to the Greek word, "Eudaimonia" - i.e. the Greek word for “happiness”, or more accurately, “the flourishing life” or “the good life”. But we are not referring to an emotional state or pleasure, but rather a fulfilled life, one that is lived in accord to our deepest values and aspirations not just for ourselves but for our families and community. In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle writes, “the happy man lives well and does well; for we have practically defined happiness as a sort of good life and good action.” What part of violating a nation's borders is a part of any of that?

[@Lolspeak_brez]

If we made all immigration legal, then illegal immigration disappears overnight. If that's not an acceptable solution for you/others, then maybe you need to stop pretending it's really "illegal" immigration you are against and be honest with the rest of us.

[@harrydavis6117]

They would. They hate helping their neighbors

[@irvinmartin5789]

Thiel is correct

[@Lolspeak_brez]

Actual Floridian here, Disney's "special priveledges" are given to thousands of businesses across Florida and are in no way related to the business of theme parks. Comparing Disney World property to Universal Orlando, which is located in the middle of the city, is completely baseless. It's really frustrating to hear talking points being regurgitated on issues you have personal knowledge about.

[@MC-dn8if]

How does Disney controlling their own special district, basically running their own private government in the area it owns & operates hotels & theme parks on extend to “thousands of businesses across Florida”?

[@Lolspeak_brez]

​@@MC-dn8if Florida "Special districts" are publicly available information, Disney is not a special case. Instead of providing tax breaks to corporations, "special districts" do the exact opposite: they require businesses to pay for the improvements and utilities on the land they control. It's basically a trade off, you get less governmental control over their property but in exchange the tax payer is not left with the burden of paying for it. A Libertarian's dream, but an Authoritarian's nightmare.

[@malinoisnation9392]

All Rubin does is defend career politicians lol.

[@m.iramiles9310]

One of the biggest reasons I split from the libertarian political movement once I became fully adult is that they want open borders *before* ending the welfare state. And the data consistently show that immigrants use more state resources than non-immigrants. Did Nick's grandparents wade across the Rio Grande then send most of their money back to the Old Country?

[@OrthoHoppean]

Read Hoppe on the ideal libertarian solution to immigration (statelessness/private law society) and the position on immigration given the existence of states.

[@holic_shot]

You never were a libertarian.

[@ipeteagles]

@H S thanks for the score keeping, totalitarian

[@wheel-man5319]

🤯

[@VeniVidiVid]

I have one data point for you. Google “Immigrant and Native Consumption of Means‐​Tested Welfare and Entitlement Benefits in 2019” to see that immigrants consume 28 percent less welfare and entitlement benefits than native‐​born Americans on a per capita basis. But that’s one data point. Perhaps you have a series of others to support the alternative. If we discuss decreasing government transfer payments, I’m certainly going to agree with you. But immigrants don’t simply consume resources, they help create all the resources in the first place.

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

As much as I like Nick, the wealthy northerners (Nick) want to keep immigration issues in Texas and Arizona, so transporting them to Martha's Vineyard is a legitimate protest.

[@ybrix101]

He doesn't see a difference in legal and illegal.

[@markstephens2709]

Wow, Impressed Reason got an intellectual juggernaut like Dave Ruben to weigh in on this issue.

[@schenksteven1]

🤣

[@robertnobles8189]

😂

[@johanponken]

Heheh, "juggernaut". Did you notice his Wikipedia short description changed from "classic liberal" to "conservative"?

[@Pascalierity]

@@johanponken Likely he wasn't the one who changed it

[@wwbuirkle]

I'll take common sense over so called intellectualism

[@Maxmaxmax63]

ReasonTV looks like low tier content providers by having Dave “ideas” Rubin on their channel.

[@TickedOffPriest]

If we do not deal with the moral issues, the economic issues will get worse.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

Great points by both

[@skenzyme81]

Uganda Forever!

[@Degarth]

Nick Gillespie is so chill you could almost miss that he was dismantling Rubin.

[@fettman17]

Rubin is simping so hard for desantis, it's off-putting.

[@Muonium1]

Zach just rambles on endlessly if the guest doesn't interrupt.

[@Eukatae]

Doesn't help that they either didn't allow a response or cut his response at least twice. Most people invite guests to hear what they think but I guess that goes out the window when you're sure your right.

[@0b3ryn29]

What dream world do these guys from Reason live in? immigration (legal/illegal) should always be encouraged? You can't allow immigration w/o proper integration.

[@squidly1117]

Sorry Libertarians, I bought your ideas when I voted for Ross Perot and got Bill Clinton elected. Nationalism is the ONLY vote, or we lose it all.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

The argument about how immigration worked 100 years ago just doesnt do much for me. Its funny to me when people bring this up like its some slam dunk defense. There was also a time in history when the US banned Chinese immigration or when immigration in general was quite limitedz wtf is your point? Libertarians talk like open borders is written into the Constitution.

[@Spanishdog17]

Dave believes in whatever the Koch Brother tells him to believe in.

[@shaneturner500]

I thought Reason was a Libertarian publication that supports the bill of rights staunchly and opposes government intervention in society. Why the hell are they supporting “De Fascist Desantis?”

[@johnyoung5392]

In good times, society can afford a philosopher king. We are in bad times, which will require benevolent dictators.

[@23wtb]

Governor DeSantis personally did more to prevent Government intrusion on essential liberties, than any Libertarian or libertarian did or even attempted to do. Seriously. In 2020, libertarians couldn't even agree that refusing to submit to mask mandates or jab mandates wasn't a violation of the NAP. When the next sinister sniffles comes along, any rational, liberty-minded person would take a DeSantis over a Gary Johnson.

[@manofculture584]

How did you come to that conclusion?

[@ybrix101]

Did you or your child miss out on a drag show because of Desantis?

[@MaynardCrow]

Reason has gone downhill for years now. I canceled my subscription to their magazine a few years back. While I wouldn't call DeSantis a libertarian by any means, how is he fascist? If anything, the libertarian response to him removing Disney special treatment by state government is to take issue with any company getting special perks at taxpayer expense. For that matter, the ultimate position is pointing out taxation is theft and special treatment is one of the side effects of government cope with their abusive extortion racket.

[@richardburt9812]

Dave Rubin of course ignore this story : Florida taxpayers pick up bill for Ron DeSantis’s culture war lawsuits. Since Florida’s governor Ron DeSantis took office in 2019 and embarked on his culture wars, lawsuits from various communities whose rights have been violated have been stacking up against the far-right Republican. As DeSantis fights the lawsuits with what critics have described as a blank check from the state’s supermajority Republican legislature, the mounting legal costs have come heavily at the expense of Florida’s taxpayers. In recent years, DeSantis’s ultra-conservative legislative agenda has drawn ire from a slew of marginalized communities as well as major corporations including Disney. The so-called “don’t say gay” bill, abortion bans and prohibition of African American studies are just a few of many DeSantis’s extremist policies that have been met with costly lawsuits in a state where residents are already struggling with costs of living.

[@manofculture584]

Ah yes let educators groom your children because fighting it will be so expensive "don't say gay". Please don't tell me you believe that propaganda line 😂

[@cucubanana4226]

why even bother with the guest if you're going to just speak over him ?

[@somerando7191]

Libertarians never seem to get that their support for immigration is self defeating. The overwhelming majority of the people we import support larger governments and more social programs.

[@Eukatae]

They never seem to get that there is a window here. They are opposed to undue taxation, welfare and social programs ,and are in favor of property rights and equal protection under law. The current immigration scheme violates all the things libertarians believe; yet they bang on about this issue ignoring the rest. If given a choice between open borders for someone else or protecting my life, liberty, and property I will chose me and my family. That is as much, if not more, of a libertarian position than "open borders at all costs". Fix the perverse incentives and the rest will be sorted out along with it.

[@Eukatae]

I should add, this does not reflect all libertarians, in fact Reason does not reflect all or most libertarians or even Libertarians since the Mises Caucus ousted the Lefty Pragmatist caucus.

[@pyroseed13]

So do the overwhelmingly majority of Americans, including Republicans. At least when we get immigrants they promote traditional values and not leftist crap.

[@jsegovia]

Would you say that about Venezuelans and Cubans?

[@somerando7191]

@@jsegovia I didn't say all, I said the overwhelming majority.

[@BOMACs_mind]

RFK JR FOR LIFE

[@worldclass64]

DeSantis 2024 !

[@dogzebra2708]

It' strange, how people either or ignore miss the big picture.

[@dustinabc]

I think they know it will get people like us to comment which boosts their views

[@mikemerlin4020]

Immigration from 100 years ago is completely different from now. 100% different

[@johanponken]

Much more than 100%, as the populations in some countries have grown exponentially.

[@beaudavis3808]

I agree. The immigrants that were coming over 100 years ago were Europeans, mostly. In other words, essentially our brothers and sisters and many of them, if not all, spoke English before coming over here. Today, no way near that.

[@MrMartman777]

Yeah. For me no more Dave

[@alek4811]

Wow…for me Dave’s the guy!

[@ipeteagles]

deep take, said nobody

[@raywillett5996]

The economy of the state of Florida is the fourth-largest in the United States, with a $1.4 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2022. If Florida were a sovereign nation (2022), it would rank as the world's 16th-largest economy according to the International Monetary Fund, ahead of Indonesia and behind Mexico.

[@N.barakos1845]

It’s a powerful state

[@strayedarticle2838]

Californias economy is 3x bigger.

[@mattmarkus4868]

@@strayedarticle2838 California has geysers of cash spraying out of it from silicon valley, like Saudi Arabia has oil.

[@ZZ_The_Boxing_Cat]

Desanctimonious is going to looooose

[@CWills4liberty]

4:11 Immigration

[@ThePoliticrat]

Rubin became such a hack.

[@jrey120]

It IS possible to grant special benefits to all the other businesses, WITHOUT restricting them from Disney.

[@manofculture584]

"Republicans are against immigration" OK And?

[@davidbundesen5867]

Dave Rubin did a great job of defending his positions. @Rubenreport @DaveRuben

[@ErinLynagh]

Dave Rubin saying that human trafficking was "great" is pretty rough. Labor is a resource we need in this country.

[@concernedliberal4453]

They weren't forced to go

[@amazingbollweevil]

@@concernedliberal4453 The same way you weren't forced to give money to a con man? That's not a defense.

[@concernedliberal4453]

@@amazingbollweevil How did they get conned? He offered to take them to Martha's Vineyard and they agreed. I think the two of you are drama trafficking.

[@ucuniversity2869]

I can't tell if either of the guys from truth want complete open borders or not. And gay ideology taught in schools. I guess that's what libertarian is, not knowing? I'm new to the channel but no one made a clear argument on the truth guys side. It was all feelings like usual these days.

[@Gurudesa94]

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[@Iamjoeparkinson]

It’s a war on distraction maybe?

[@hmuniz002]

Mark is not very bright

[@manofculture584]

Lolbertarians

[@Dangic23]

Rubin needs to wake up himself. Ron is not the right person to lead the country. He can fool Floridians, but not the entire country

[@Justin_Beaver564]

Rubin has turned into just another rightwing grifter. I stopped listening to him when I realized he wasn't really a Libertarian.

[@mugsofmirth8101]

@@Justin_Beaver564 "rightwing" SMH learn what that term means before embarrassing yourself

[@ybrix101]

@@Justin_Beaver564 And yet here you are. 😆

[@jonnanderson6489]

Perhaps not purely a distraction, but when Scott left office the economy was growing, crime was down and Republicans were firmly in control. Culture wars were what Desantis chose to further his presidential ambitions.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

🎦 Isn't this Rick Scott guy the reason why Orlando is not the Hollywood of the South (but Atlanta now is)? And why 'Bloodline' got too expensive to shoot so NetFlix axed it?

[@manofculture584]

Firmly in control? Desantis won the election in 2018 by a close shave

[@robertnobles8189]

I couldn’t sit through the 1+ hour full interview, but even these short clips show how intolerable Dave Rubin is. He just spins and spins and lies blatantly.

[@alek4811]

Really, that’s your impression? Wow, he does not lie, and he does not spin…guess, your head must be spinning, so, the world seems to be going around in your mind. But, it actually isn’t! If you just stepped off the merry-go-round, and relaxed a bit, you’d see the reality.

[@robertnobles8189]

@@alek4811 so Florida is the reddest state in the US? He said that and it’s far from true. Florida is about in the middle, 24th of 50. Wyoming and West Virginia are by far the reddest states. Spin and hyperbole.

[@robertnobles8189]

@@alek4811 Rubin says libertarian criticism of DeSantis seeking retribution on private companies and groups is akin to anarchism? Laughable hyperbole and spin. He is not a trustworthy guy. He’s a hack.

[@sectiona1247]

​@@robertnobles8189 You apparently have an axe to grind with the man.

[@Andrina-fl9ef]

@@sectiona1247 Sure looks that way

[@Maxyy40]

As a Floridian Desantis has just gotten worst throughout his tenure.

[@m.iramiles9310]

Based on which metrics?

[@DavidLopez-rk6em]

​@m.iramiles9310 He's focused on a culture war based on morality. He spends most his time talking about woke and gay people. Those people arent making it harder for working class people to pay bills. Insurance rates are starting to get really high and desantis doesnt like to mention it. He'll talk about woke people all day, but he has no problem giving tax dollars to corporations that support him instead of giving tax dollars back to the community. Anyone that thinks desantis is a great politician was either dropped on their head as a baby or doesnt spend the necessary hours studying what kind of man he is. Our standards are so low these day, and people are so dumb they dont realize what a great politician looks like. Right wing media has been protecting ron by not showing all the corrupt shit he does. As a result, a lot of people thinks he's an angel

[@karlpierce3035]

Prove it or shut up.

[@richardburt9812]

Ron ended tenure. :)

[@richardburt9812]

you mean "term."

[@jugg3647]

I feel for Dave

[@RichardPhillips1066]

Dave being attacked by a pair of feather dusters