Which TINY Camera Is For You? Not That Obvious...

[@dvdaltizer]

My short review on the new small zoom lens from LUMIX: It's small and slow. Not going to use it TBH. Maybe outdoors occasionally, but not good for indoor use.

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

While it's indeed not very fast, even ISO 51200 is acceptable on the S9 / S5 II so the lack of speed IMHO isn't that big a problem.

[@chinocoratatero4657]

The Fuji is wayyyyyy smaller, allows the use of a flash, costs a lot less, the kit lens has OIS, can record Open Gate 6K... and because it's made for photography as well as video IT HAS A MECHANICAL SHUTTER (otherwise it could not use a flash). From my point of view (and I work with both Fujifilm an Panasonic)... The question is, Why Panasonic did not make a M43 version of the S9?

[@GungKrisna12]

So, like GM1 II?

[@gearobsessed]

Panasonic S9 has rock solid IBIS and stabilisation for video whilst the Fujifilm XM5 has no IBIS so needs a gimbal unless on a tripod.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Not necessarily, alot of Fuji lenses comes with OIS so no need for a gimbal while vlogging or shooting

[@minorrhoads5318]

SPOT ON . BECAUSE IF ANY ONE WANTS SERIOUS VIDEO THEY WOULD STILL NEED A GIMBAL UNLESS THEY WANT A CRAZY JERKY ACTION SHOT WITH THE FUJI AS LENS STABILIZATION JUST WON'T CUT IT FOR WALKING FOOTAGE SCENES , SO I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY .CHOW

[@tshiring7]

Comeon really, we all know fuji's stabalization is dog shit when it comes to video and don't get me started on AF.

[@ZeitouniJad]

No mechanical shutter on the panasonic is a deal breaker

[@shira_yone]

From what I heard, stabilizing in post would be better than trying to fix jello due to imperfect IBIS anyway. You get 6k opengate, plenty of flexibility to crop and stabilize while keeping the camera ultra light and small thanks to not having IBIS.

[@masterofcamera]

The S9 IBIS is next level, and with the new update, no record limits, Frame guides etc the S9 is even better… love using it, but man that Fuji price is really good. 😮

[@alucardhellsing1037]

Don't forget their new Lumix Lab app.

[@Mo2008di]

I preordered the fujifilm x-m5 ....I'm Lumix user and will also buy the S9 too hahaha.... both are amazing cameras for me

[@houghwhite411]

Seems like both have their strength and compromises

[@fromia1]

I think ppl have said from the start that the S9 should've been a M43 camera. The smaller lens line up works really well. Having said that, I would get the S9 after a price drop.

[@dominikgelien]

I am fine without mechanical shutter, fine without evf, but IBIS in camera in 2024 (at least some) is a must. So S9 is no brainer to me

[@GungKrisna12]

Also fine without any ability to use flash?

[@komandagleby_GB]

@@GungKrisna12 Actually, it is quite possible. For example, my primary camera - and camcorder! - is Olympus EM 5 III, and I have never used its tiny supplementary external flash. And I dislike S9 - because what's implemented in it should be in the updated MFT camera!

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Stabilization is something that can be fixed with the priper stabilized lens. But mechanical shutter is gone and can't be remedied and so is an EVF to some extent

[@banana_necessary]

Fuji makes fun cameras for normal people which pro's can use, Panasonic make cameras for camera nerds. Nothing wrong with both approaches, but I'd personally go with Fuji and save the money. If I want a pro tool, I'll buy something from Sony as they have great AF and a massive lens line up.

[@mmaneage86]

After the firmware update, I am getting the S9 . However, the big reason is because I feel like I can use it alongside my S5 IIX. The smaller form factor + LUT button I believe will help me get clients for restaurant photo/video. I like the idea of an ultra fast on site turnover to show a prospective client. However- the fact Lumix decided not to add a headphone jack is just a bad decision on their end. Some of the choices they make are real head scratchers. I can actually live with no EVF (though again- head scratcher. If I wasn't already a Lumix user I would definitely buy the Fuji- as it's giving beginners all the little things they need. Lumix used to do this with their MFT G80/85/95 cameras.

[@dvdaltizer]

i totally agree S9 is a great little b cam and a great every day carry. but this new fuji will appeal to a larger demographic IMO because of the price

[@michelecintramika8482]

Does the S5IIX have 39 LUTs like the S9?

[@joematiacio3449]

How’s that AF on the Fuji? 😃

[@CLAYNPOTTER1]

I love s9. I have GX85 and G9 along with big Nikon D810. I like S9 because it is compact and provide excellent I.Q. and video. S9's full frame I.Q. provide superb image quality and low light sensitivity. Voitlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 works amazingly on S9, specially with Leica monochrome profile. Only two complaints are missing EVF and bad simulated shutter sound... I bought cheap $7 View Finder (35mm focal length) that sits on the cold shoe, and works ok with the Voitander 35mm... Looking forward for a pancake 28mm f/1.4 prime....

[@2dtommy293]

Still happy with my X-T3 but this new X-M5 is tempting. No EVF will hurt but as an EDC I might snag one eventually.

[@dvdaltizer]

seems like a solid option and alternative to an X100 (sort of)

[@intheblues]

Another great video, David! Nice work mate.

[@dvdaltizer]

just a quick ramble! LOL. sometimes i can't help but get things off my chest!

[@DavidMBanes]

You're summing up why I sold my S9. The X-M5 is a LOT smaller than the S9, it's the same size as the older X-M1; so I just ordered one to sit alongside my X-S20 'main' camera. The X-M5 is really an S20 with no IBIS. The new Fuji app is as good at data transfer as the Lumix.

[@DavidMBanes]

Yes it has a mechanical shutter.

[@MrAntpre]

Really, their app is good now ?

[@DavidMBanes]

@@MrAntpre Yes, I used the Lumix S9 app for a few weeks and now the new Fuji app with my S20 and there’s no real difference when transferring photos.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Its also faster now that you can use a 40gbps USB cable to transfer from Camera to phone

[@UgurSoygur-s3d]

Hi David, First of all thank you for your detailed video. I wonder how long it can stay on at the highest resolution, without battery, only with hdmi output. Which one would you choose if you wanted to capture more than 2 hours. Thank you.

[@Wildridefilms]

The S9 is a better video camera and the XM5 is a better photo camera. The XM5 is better value without a doubt though. If the S9 was weather sealed or $300 cheaper, then it might actually be great value. Also I think you're too harsh on that 18-40 lens. For its size, it has a very interesting zoom range and is not that slow if you take equivalence into account. In APSC, that would be a 12-27mm f3-4.2 and in MFT it would be a 9-20mm f2-3.2.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

Lumix s9 is a great camera, but not for 1500$

[@Wildridefilms]

@@HungTran-wf3gu agreed. It should cost no more than $1200.

[@Tigerex966]

Ibis and focusing? Firmware support service updates built quality

[@RickMentore]

Great cameras, however, their weakness are glaring! Just dont understand why they would make such fantastic cameras without viewfinders and in Lumixe's case without flash capabilities? How much more would it have cost to add viewfinder and flash.

[@breakfastforyousoul]

For the price, that's amazing. A lot of it will hinge on autofocus as well and overheating.

[@VynZography]

What IS REALLY obvious is how this X-M5 makes those over-positive "reviews" of the S9 when it came out look even more ridiculous. The S9 was untenable back then and is untenable now. Didn't FUJI fly anyone to Japan? LOL what a joke. BTW I am a S5II and a7-C II user.

[@nandysullivan3005]

Downside for fuji side autofocus 😢😢

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

​@@nandysullivan3005 Apparently they've updated and improved the Focus Algo but I'll wait for real world reviews to shine a light on that

[@baihu4u]

"Over-positive" reviews of the S9? Wow! I'm a bit surprised to see you make this comment. It's speaks very loudly to me that your REAL problem with the S9 is two-fold: 1) The price that Lumix put on the S9 because you cannot afford it at this time . 2) Lumix did not invite you to Japan as they did the other "over-positive" KZbinrs. 3) Lumix did not offer to send you an S9 "to test" as you asked them to in your 'non-experienced' review video that you did on the S9 where you were quite "over-positive" about the S9 (even compared to Fuji's offerings) as well. Yet now after you have not received a camera for testing from Lumix, the S9 was then and still is "untenable"??? LMAO! For further context, I observed in a response to a comment on your S5ii video the couple of very small gripes that you had in your assessment of the s5ii, mainly being a bit to slow (initial boot-up) and just a bit too large to be a perfect 'travel camera'.. Interestingly enough, if you could afford to buy the S9 to try it you would see that those 2 gripes have been solved, making it your perfect travel camera and companion to your S5ii, again, according to your S5ii review. In which case you probably would be inspired to publish an "over-positive" review as well, like maybe some of the other influencers who found it to be a great solution for them. Lastly, where are the a7-Cii videos, photos or reviews or comparisons to your S5ii on your page? I don't see any on your page. If you actually own the very cool a7-Cii surely it would be showcased on your channel like the many mobile devices, your S5 and S5ii. You sir, cannot be taken seriously at all! You've 'Undone' yourself! 🤣

[@letslyk]

Fujifilm xm5 is almost perfect for me in every way except the lack of IBIS.

[@jebeq2007]

Honestley the Panasonic S9 smokes the XM5. Just a list of a few things that you have mentioned.IBIS, you can just hand hold this camera and it looks like you have a gymbol., Auto Focus on the Panasonic smokes the fuji trust me I also have an X-T5. The Lut ability on it is on an entire diffrent level than fuji's recipes. I find the fuji recipes very gimmicky and I just shoot raw in them. The posibilities with the Luts and the Lumix lab app far exceed anything the fuji can even dream of. Lets' not even mention how much better the Full frame sensor on the Panasonic is, and of cours the color science coming straight out of the Panasonic is pretty much the Leica colors that everyone craves for. Hands down the Pansonic S9 superseeds the XM5 even if it cost a little more. I think you can just use your Iphone if you are thinking of the XM5. Also forgot to mention that the XM5 is using the dated X-t3 sensor from 6yrs ago.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

The sensor in the s9 is basicly the same as the s5 from 2020, and u crazy to think that the s9 have superior IQ to the xm5, it better but not that much. Yes it dom't have ibis and Af not as good, but have mechnicl shutter and hot shoes for flash. Lumix maybe a better cam, But the main point here is the lumix is 2x the price, which is crazy

[@gothix114]

Xm5 uses the trans 4 sensir

[@jebeq2007]

@@gothix114 Yes the X-T4 uses the exact same sensor as the X-T3.

[@TristanLaughton]

What do you think of the 18-40mm lens for the S9? Keep up the great work with the thumbnails!

[@dvdaltizer]

thanks bro! it's really compact, but it's just simply too slow for me man.. hate to say it, but i just can't bring myself to use it, even in bright sunlight. it's just not enough bokeh for me LOL

[@walrusgumboot]

@@dvdaltizertrue but don’t forget there’s a full stop advantage from the sensor size. So an f4 performs like an apsc f2.8

[@komandagleby_GB]

@@dvdaltizer Yes, we all need bokeh at 18, 20, 24, 28 mm. Leaving alone "portrait-oriented" 40 mm.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

​​@@walrusgumbootThats only true for Depth of field, an F2.8 APS-C lens will be brighter allowing faster shutter speed to be used

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

​@@komandagleby_GBYou are sleeping on Environmental portraiture, one the best looking styles of portraits and is mostly done at the wider angles

[@Vetalvaltron]

used xt4 or new xm5?

[@dvdaltizer]

xm5 for the size

[@KOUGA108]

for photos stills especially I will probably choose xm-5 but for videos the ibis and more reliable autofocus of the Lumix S9 is just a no-brainer.

[@pdcorlis]

The X-M5 is a real dragon slayer - now, point me to an appropriately small APSC anamorphic lens to pair with it and I’m all in.

[@marklion315]

Mate there are no cameras with the features that the S9 has at the 1k price point, 1.5k is justified for now at least. The S9 gives full frame, ibis (industry leading btw), better autofocus, way more record options , better high iso performance, handheld sensor shift as well as tripod for super high res shots. luts are more granular than fujis film sims that only give a few customizations. The missing hot shoe and missing pancake lenses are an issue but we must assume the lens issue will be resolved sometime soon. I think this video is half baked ngl.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

I like what I see with that X-M5 :) Even a dial for the most used film emulations. Now that is useful. Sure the EVF/OVF lacks but eh, for that size. Looks sooo nice.

[@vrapan]

You do have small primes for the lumix, they are from Sigma and they are really very good. I don't know why everybody is ignoring them. The Fuji primes aren't all that small despite being for a smaller sensor. The only viable pancakes for the Fuji are the 18mm (which is arguably not a very good lens) and the 27mm which is better but that's it. Also why does everybody feel the need to compare every camera to the X100 line? The X100 is a rangefinder style fixed lens camera. The X-M5 and the S9 are neither of those things. The X-M5 fills a price gap in the Fuji lineup agreed and it is very competitively priced but it does not compare or try to compete with the X100. Sorry for the rant

[@3Havoc]

What fuji primes are we talking about here as the f2s generally are roughly 2x the height of the 27mm f2.8 as it seems they are more the intended line up of primes for it.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

Love lumix but the len range of fuji is much better, because of third party lense. I mean just look at viltrox, compact good quality len for half or even 1/3 the price.

[@alucardhellsing1037]

Why is no one actually talking about how bad Fujifilm is at implementing AF in its cameras.

[@dvdaltizer]

i haven't tested this camera yet so to be fair... i need to put them head to head...but you're right. i should have mentioned it. they have really bad AF and IBIS compared to the new LUMIX

[@adidabax6809]

It's tempting. Lumix has ff and ibis. But the lenses and man, that's a nice looking camera, where lumix gives us 'black' and gives the rest of the world the non-skater colors. if i wasn't so into the lumix system i'd be really tempted.

[@dvdaltizer]

Lumix S9 is super great. I just think Fuji hit a home run with the pricing and your average consumer won't pay the price of the S9 as easily

[@ZeitouniJad]

I think the XM5 will be a top seller. A lot of video features packed into a small body. Choosing an Xtrans instead of a normal bayer sensor is a huge plus

[@EricLouisYoung]

Actually, nikon pioneered the whole "recipe" thing, and it's been on every camera for many years. It's "picture controls" in the menu.

[@blackbirds1440]

A camera for the content creators without IBIS! S9 over the XM5 any day. You can use sigma L mount prime lenses with S9.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

I think the s9 is not good value even compare to fuji xs20 and sony a6700. But the xm5 is the best value right now. Pair it with sigma f1.4 lense or the 18 50

[@pureheartvisuals]

Crazy, how we want it all. FF, Anamorphic, world Leading IBIS, Anamorphic IBIS, Crazy LUT implementation, 6K Opengate, at the price of an APSC. I would have loved to see this Fuji against the Sony ZV-E10 before this comparison. Different Audiences here. Great review though.

[@pwtn224]

There’s no incentive to buy an S9 over an S5II. In my region they are the same price and you’ll be using the same lenses. The L mount started out as an APSC system and IMO the S9 could have been an APSC camera. Sigma already offer their APSC lenses in L mount and Leica TL lenses are still floating around the used market.

[@Metro6am]

The incentive is the size

[@Metro6am]

Money no object which one would you buy?

[@dvdaltizer]

S9. full frame, better video, best IBIS in the game.

[@doggosupremme]

Honestly the S9 would be a dream camera to me had it not been for lacking a real hot shoe... that seems like a massive oversight. It's not that much cheaper than an s5ii, without a mechanical shutter the s9 is not a professional grade camera. Costs around $1500 and can't use it for professional photography. Meanwhile the xm5 seems like a huge tech achievement and like something I really want to have as my carry around camera and could use a flash if I wanted (and the price is good for that). I really hate how the s9 lacks so many essential features for photography.

[@RB-pp5tv]

Did Fuji also fly you and other reviewers over to Japan and then give them the camera for free?

[@Tigerex966]

M43 is the answers.

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

BTW, in addition to low-light performance and (obviously) the IBIS, the AF system (particularly CAF) of the S9 is leagues better than that of any Fuji camera. As a matter of fact, even contemporary Fuji cameras have extremely bad CAF; far worse than anything else (except for Pentax).

[@GungKrisna12]

Or even might do the reverse of focusing?

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

Well it really not that bad, still usable for most of the time, better than the lumix range before the s5ii for sure lol:v

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

@@HungTran-wf3gu LOL, anything ia better than CAF on pre-phase detect Pana cameras :D It's a nightmare.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 yes, using it now. plan to update to the s9 but the xm5 is tempting

[@ttbirds1082]

if only a similar mft camera with ibis was made like these.

[@definingslawek4731]

But instead mft cameras are somehow larger than fullframe.

[@legend240891]

The S9 is already selling well, I don't think they should bring it down to as deep as 999. If they do that no one would dare to buy a brand new Lumix camera anymore. And people often forget R&D is expensive too. If you are not letting camera companies making good profit, you will see repackage of old cameras. You can't ask for everything in life.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

Well it sell well now, but after the XM5 release i think the market will be different.

[@PaulFeinberg]

Love what Fuji is doing there….crazy. Still a Sony fanboy but wow that Fuji is going to sell like hotcakes

[@dvdaltizer]

yeah the pricepoint is killer!

[@Jawad.1]

XM-5 is APSC, not full frame. You can't compare these cameras!

[@ZacharyPawlowski]

Panasonic S9 (mini?) haha the S9 with micro four thirds and add a headphone jack would solve so much.

[@ttbirds1082]

agree with the suggested pricing

[@timc9132]

What about image quality though? This review seems to be more about $ cost.

[@minorrhoads5318]

I hate vertical videos , but hey if you like em ! knock your self out i never have , and i hate fashions and trends , great review by the way . subscribed today , but been watching for years now , loved your review a good while back on the GH5S with the 12 to 100 mm Olympus lens that had built in stabilization as a handy all purpose walk around vlog set up for people who are not worried about size or what every one else thinks lol . chow 😊👍🎧📸

[@weiyang6417]

I forsee even more price drops, and still, it won't sell. There are just so many better options in terms of value.

[@juliussternfeld428]

Sigma made the perfect lens for the S9. But it’s not good enough for you? Wtf?

[@dvdaltizer]

What lens to you is perfect? I guess I need to go for it and give it a shot. LMK what lens is best.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

Just look at vitrox and sigma for fuji, f1.4 f2.8 etc range lens, with very good price too. In L mount it simply don't have that competition

[@NorthernMigrationTravel]

Fuji-no IBIS… end of argument

[@sohrubjoshi5189]

I got from BH today for $1348 with 20-60 lens

[@dvdaltizer]

oh sweeet! great little deal there!

[@edvard2942]

you forgot ibis and autofocus, a fuji prime 23 1.4 is double the price of that 35 you showed , also bad screen

[@definingslawek4731]

And with fuji you have access to the cheap viltrox f1.4 primes!

[@DBomber_24]

I didn't know that Daniel Ricciardo is now reviewing cameras on KZbin after RedBull fired him in their F1 sister team. 🤔

[@edjefferson9175]

The Fujifilm apps have been crap compared to Lumix.

[@user-le7vq6nv2l]

I think you are so handsome, David !!! 😍😍😍 beautiful nose and dimple 🎉

[@Albertoepicness]

The Lumix g7 is quite cheaper and better in every way

[@RPP403]

The typical user of this camera wont buy any other lens. Stop listing the “buying into fuji lenses” idea as a merit of this camera. In practice, if you want to do that, you dont buy the simplest entry level camera without stabilization and viewfnder. The S9 is so superior that I would chose it over any Fuji apsc camera, not just this one.

[@EricLouisYoung]

How stupid that cameras "come out" a month before they ship.

[@kentmemories]

ibis

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

The Fuji indeed produces better video than the iPhone, apart from AF, stabilization and dynamic range. In the latter, the iPhone (if you shoot at its sweet spots; that is, not using any kind of software zoom) is better than even the S9, let alone the Fuji.

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

It really not better. Better u mean better at color, pixel peep or anything:))).

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

​@@HungTran-wf3gu you mean the iPhone isn't better at AF / stab / DR than the (ANY) Fuji or, for that matter, most or even all fullframe cameras? Have you ever shot video with a recent iPhone?

[@HungTran-wf3gu]

@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 iphone using much more DOF so the AF is easier. we talking IQ why u taking the stab here. and also the usable DR in iPhone is not better. And please prove your opinion on detail video comparison or give me some link, anyone in the internet can have such claim, and I don't see any video prove your point anywhere

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

​@@HungTran-wf3gu First, I'm not an Apple fanboy, just compared shooting on the iPhone (most importantly, the 14 Pro Max and the 16 Pro Max) to shooting on quality FF systems (most importantly, the Lumix S5 II). 1, "iphone using much more DOF so the AF is easier" - Lidar is much superior to anything. Try AFing on the sky (birds, airplanes NOT taking up much of the screen) and you'll see what I mean. The Lumix (and, for that matter, ANY FF camera, even Sonys!) will hopelessly hunt. The iPhone won't. And that isn't because of the difference in DoF - when the iPhone focusses wrong (for example, it doesn't regain far focus after quickly focussing to something near), the image also becomes hopelessly unsharp. 2, "also the usable DR in iPhone is not better" - surely the sensor isn't better. But with clever image stacking, even in video mode, the iPhone (Samsung, Pixel etc.) delivers significantly better results, DR-wise. If only FF cameras used the same level of image stacking - they could probably easily reach even 20-30 stops of DR... Currently, phones are doing better because of the massive image postprocessing / stacking. Of course it's an artificicial image - however, they're still way better at, say, preserving the sky. Note that the IQ of the Lumix is WAAAY better than that of the iPhone 16 PM. I don't debate that. It's just that in these particular areas the iPhone (Pixel etc.) is better than the Lumix (or Sonys etc.) For generic video shooting I almost exclusively use my S5 and only in very special occassions (when I don't want to / can't lug around my Lumix) shoot with the 16 PM. "and I don't see any video prove your point anywhere" - for example MaxTech has posted comparison videos between phones and FF Sony cameras with the same results; most improtantly, DR.

[@chamithathukorala1985]

What happen to indiy mogul

[@yojik_creates_stuff]

Man you have to work on what you want to say

[@WhoIsSerafin]

The S9 is not a camera, it’s a video camera. It just happens to do photos.

[@Sorennn94]

Fujifilm has the best colours even jn standard mode.S9 has the worst colours straight out of camera ive ever seen

[@dvdaltizer]

i have had the S9 for months and love the colors on it. especially with the LUTs

[@Sorennn94]

@davidaltizer I don't speak about the luts my friend...many of us want a simple workflow and colours in standard mode straight out of camera

[@aravind.gdinesh5903]

If only s9 had an hot shoe for flash😢😢 i would jump right on to it

[@michelecintramika8482]

Sony A7CII has more advantage than Lumix S9. The only thing that Lumix S9 has an advantage is in 39 Luts. Only.