I Got Into A Heated Argument During The Writer Cup

Kirk and I got into a heated argument over the rules of golf. Watch the full episode, presented by High Noon here: • Major Controversy to S...
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[@DavePortnoy]

Watch the full episode of the Writer Cup here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaWQmnapbcRqeqc

[@dbeck82]

If golf was really this exciting, I might actually watch (the pros)

[@DutchKing]

Not sure how Dave puts up with this guy, so much disrespect and instant talkbacks even when he's in the wrong. I would fired his ass long time ago.

[@dbeck82]

@@DutchKing This was my first time seeing their dynamic.... Wow.

[@37running]

I would rather watch the wnba than a bunch of idiots argue rule 2.3c page 37 of the rulebook. Take this garbage away.

[@Johnny-mo4xz]

Kirk owned you Prez!! Klemmer and now Kirk. Looks like you lost your fastball?

[@mariuszarszylo1476]

Kirk is the type of golfer I will NEVER play with.

[@richardcarbery7035]

this is how Bostonians talk to each other

[@joeyparm9887]

​@@richardcarbery7035ridiculous comment smh

[@davedanger7558]

He seems like he has never been punched in the face

[@matthew8921]

Kirk is technically right…but if he’s being serious he’s a DOUCHE BAG. This is like calling a 3 second violation in a pickup basketball game.

[@seancalvin4317]

Kirk is the type to move the goal posts to always have it his way.

[@markdeegan4113]

technically right, the best type of right lol

[@jasongrgr]

Hes 100% correct on his call. Nobody follows this rule in a general scramble, BUT IT IS A RULE.

[@drewdamon7119]

@@jasongrgr not a USGA rule, you can get a USGA rules app on your phone for free.

[@seancalvin4317]

@@jasongrgr agreed, but then Francis calls him on a rule but that's not cool, that's what I meant by moving the goal posts

[@BGamblez]

if you're going to call someone out on a small non game changing penalty you better be ready to play the rest of the holes abiding by all usga rules lmao

[@drewdamon7119]

Not even a real rule, USGA rules don’t govern scrambles

[@monicawhitm9335]

Everyone should play that way all the time. Unless it’s on course practice

[@jamieg81]

Life’s too short to give that much of a sh!t over an amateur game. They’re all as bad as each other!

[@tylerfengler2884]

“Non game changing penalty” bruh its a whole stroke difference and they are playing for 30 k. You are a moron

[@stix1775]

For $30,000. I’m calling that a 5 as well

[@SilkyMJohnson]

I've never wanted to see a person get punched in the face more than this instance.

[@joeviv]

Who, Dave? I agree.

[@JoeyCox-qt9rd]

Why don't you do it if you have the guts. Bet you dont

[@drewdamon7119]

@@joevivwhy Dave, he’s right that it isn’t an actual rule

[@joeviv]

@@drewdamon7119 seriously, it is, and the pro confirmed it. Dave was just being a baby, as was the writer, whoever he is. However, Dave shouldn't be punching down, it's a bad look, and he was wrong for it

[@drewdamon7119]

@@joeviv I just read through section 9 of my rules book, no rules governing scrambles to be found. I agree that both are being crybabies though.

[@STROKEnDISTANCE]

to follow the rules that tight but then not mark your ball on the green is hilarious, Dave was living rent free by that point 😂

[@patricktaylor5109]

You do realize Kirk went on to carry his team to the win right after this and francis and arian collapsed right? Portnoy got in his own teams heads, he gave Kirk motivation

[@DChappelle27]

"But we've done that like 4 times already" "I don't care, we're enforcing it now"

[@iillestrs2153]

@@patricktaylor5109that’s irrelevant and just showed how petty and contradictory it was lol. Not even about winning or losing, it’s about becoming a douchebag. Dave was upset because as they were ignoring the petty rules it was all fine and then when dude went down it suddenly mattered, so then Dave became just as petty. Winning this tournament was pointless when you make yourself look like a clown in the process

[@Kansasgolf]

Played in a million scrambles and have never seen this rule enforced. Thanks Pres for keeping the game real!

[@jamescameron204]

Were you playing with $5,000 of your own money on the line? They exploded a rule and that's it, might be petty but it's a full on competition.

[@Kansasgolf]

Just played in a 150K Calcutta scramble in Nebraska. 26 K to the winner. NO ONE would even think of calling a stupid rule like that out unless you wanted your ass kicked. There's no difference than saying it's good, compared to swiping it in the hole from a foot out. I bet you're real fun to play with.@@jamescameron204

[@JustMe-yh1ps]

Then we should enforce Hank teeing up in front of every tee box because those extra 2 inches make a difference with 20 handicaps

[@drewdamon7119]

@@jamescameron204 USGA rules don’t govern scrambles

[@jamescameron204]

@@drewdamon7119 it's a match play scramble, you finish with a ball in the hole that's your final stroke count unless given which it wasn't, simple,,it's petty but it's legal, PGA tour Joel Dahem clarifed it

[@bilyan5003]

Not marking the ball is the best part of this entire video hahaha

[@hoddtoward]

Kirk vs. the Dragon Pizza guy: who wins in a fight?

[@jj3nvl]

Kirk

[@ryanrandall1727]

They both end up hugging 😅

[@venice2823]

Dragon Pizza guys shirt gets stuck when he tries taking it off lol

[@topher.m]

No one. They're both losers

[@realtalk5931]

She’d be tight. Lotta flailing and slapping

[@deejayriney2031]

I never loved and hated someone as much as Kirk..

[@KD-er9ui]

It's all hate over here this is the first time most of us have ever heard of the guy

[@tylerwestendorf9798]

All hate from me too. I can't stand slimy little weasels like him

[@madmartian2]

@@KD-er9ui same for me. This is my first impression and he seems like a POS. 🤷‍♂️

[@ealbertson318]

@@KD-er9uiunfortunately being from Boston, Ive known of him forever. Hes a scumbag. Unreal he gets away talking to Dave like that.

[@GreenThumb27]

More-so, disgust and repulsion. Id never invite the guy back.

[@PFI1957]

Wow, Kirk is unhinged. Even if I agree with his interpretation, calling people “stupid” and “shut the F up’” is nuts. He should be DQ’d for being an A hole.

[@tylergargas7524]

He should be fired lol

[@rubydad8127]

NOW THIS IS FUCKING CONTENT

[@avfc1985]

Stupid to not have a rule book and state that they're playing to that before the tournament. Arguments like this was always going to happen when everybody is so competitive.

[@Krow52]

I agree but thats what makes the content better for not having an official ruling in place

[@CrosswaIk]

When money is on the line

[@drewdamon7119]

Rule book is useless here, no rules govern scrambles

[@housefly121]

Nobody has ever enforced this rule .. you can find videos of even GM golf doing scrambles with pros and you’ll hear something along the lines of “we’re in for par but [fill in a name] is up for our birdie putt”. And whoever is in this comment section I GUARANTEE has done the same

[@BogeyBoys28]

GM golf doesn’t play for 10k tho just saying

[@jimlahey3919]

He’s right, technically speaking, but no one has ever been petty enough to try to enforce that rule

[@albassett9755]

Depends on what hole you're on and what the score is!...lol

[@AGgaming58]

@@albassett9755 also depends how much money you are playing for

[@iillestrs2153]

@@AGgaming58problem with that comment is then be that way from the start, can’t suddenly be a stickler when you think you can lose. Either be that way from the start or don’t do it at all. Especially when dude probably would have got his ass kicked by most there while he’s running around yapping his mouth

[@steveniemyer9288]

The guy in red is technically right, but when you start being a dick about it plays out just like in the video…it becomes a pissing match.

[@drewdamon7119]

Guy in red is not right. Since no USGA rules govern scrambles and Dave is acting as the tournament director, his ruling is final here.

[@Sportsbreak149]

Well there also playing with 20 handicaps that don't golf all the time.. it's not like there playing a professional event.

[@sickofidiots4095]

So you're saying he IS RIGHT, but should just submit to Zuckerburger's authority? Weird.

[@sickofidiots4095]

@drewdamon7119 Thank you for clarifying, now go SUCK Mark.

[@jimmystrudel]

This isn't a PGA or USGA event. Never in my life has this rule been enforced in a scramble tournament.

[@JackMartin-hm6vu]

Fair but there is a lot of money on the line healthy debate

[@jimmystrudel]

@@JackMartin-hm6vu healthy debate, doesn't change the fact that this isn't an official USGA match, healthy debate. Healthy debate if you bring up these kinds of rules in a scramble it makes you a massive asshole healthy debate.

[@drewdamon7119]

@@JackMartin-hm6vuno USGA rules govern scrambles

[@bart-o-lini]

If you play 3 on 3 basketball at the park, can you just run out of bounds without it being out? Will you allow travels? All because there's no official? Rules are rules.

[@drewdamon7119]

@@bart-o-lini not what I’m saying. The “rule” this guy is quoting doesn’t actually exist in the USGA rules of golf. There are no rules that govern scrambles in the USGA rules book at all.

[@simonforester424]

Now this is reality tv material right here!

[@jtintheuk297]

Kirk had the high ground until he called Francis a C U N T for applying the letter of the law after he was enforcing the 5 on the previous hole 😂

[@Capshockey1234]

“No one is disputing it is a rule.” 5 minutes earlier “It is not a rule!”

[@christopheles7198]

One thing these guys should not be worried about are “the rules”. They each broke about 18 rules of golf each on one hole…🤣🤣🤣

[@realtalk5931]

Kirk is absolutely insane. I would have fired his ass on the spot

[@experimarketingpodcast2544]

Fire Kirk. That level of disrespect to you was out of control. Can't let that stand.

[@tonymatheny4034]

I don't think you can rule out this being masterful psychological warfare by Kirk.

[@evanblauser6717]

Imagine telling your boss to shut up over a company game

[@DanCornish-wj7wk]

Dave should have made a rule book if he cares so much

[@TylerNomadic]

Calling El Prez "irrelevant" when no-one has ever seen this guy is ludicrous.

[@pete8634]

he clearly meant his opinion was irrelevant

[@RubenOceanGaming]

He said “ you’re irrelevant in this “. Meaning that Portnoy didn’t have a dog in the fight and his opinion wasn’t necessary.

[@incognito2461]

you must be new here

[@JoeyCox-qt9rd]

1 your heard what Kirk said wrong 2 Kirk>portnoy

[@TheGalwayjoyce]

He has a RABID fanbase, in the northeast. This is just how 2 Boston guys talk to each other. They’ll be fine by the end of the day.

[@nickybutt9733]

Old homie Kirk has his khaki shorts on too tight man. He reminds me of those uptight teachers nobody likes.

[@exnvys]

thought you were gonna mention the Dragon Pizza guy lmfao

[@robbiewhite2351]

At the end of the day. The rule is 100% right. Once it’s holed, that’s the score. I’ve played corporate scrambles where it’s never enforced and I’ve played club Ryder Cups where it has been enforced.

[@AdrianEmbrey1979]

I got a rule: No other “man” talks to me like that without repercussions.

[@powerhouse9868]

If anyone needed to start Drinking again it is Kirk.

[@parkercallaway8580]

Laughed when hank compared this to different cups

[@creez1]

Absolutely never seen that rule in a scramble and I've played in 50 plus. Kirk is nuts! And getting that mad... Wow!!

[@mrkush6141]

It’s a rule.. if you cheat in golf it says a lot about a person

[@creez1]

@mrkush6141 nobody was cheating Kirk was being a psycho and a baby.

[@mrkush6141]

@@creez1 not following the rules is cheating buddy

[@creez1]

@mrkush6141 Clearly there was no consensus on what the rules were.

[@mrkush6141]

@@creez1 the rules of golf are the rules of golf you can’t make them up as you go there is a book you can buy that tells you the rules and that is the fact of the matter

[@tonyw1w1w14]

I am a scratch golfer, play a lot of scrambles and it is 100% a rule of the game, I love you Dave but you are wrong. That being said not every scramble enforces this as it slows down play. To be honest I think it should be reviewed as it will speed up time on the greens.

[@KemperFi13]

Portnoy said himself towards the end of the video, he’s not disputing the rule but I’ve also played 100+ scrambles and I’ve never seen that rule enforced once. It’s super petty to enforce it when it was a tap in and another player still has an opportunity to putt. Unless this is the Ryder Cup (it’s not), it’s unnecessary negative energy to enforce something that doesn’t give that team an advantage. If you’re going to violate a rule that actually gives you an advantage, then you have every right to enforce it. No reasonable person in a charity type event enforces this

[@tonyw1w1w14]

I live in Thailand now and Australians and people from the UK enforce this rule but the US guys don't like it, I think its a cultural thing.@@KemperFi13

[@KemperFi13]

@@tonyw1w1w14 Fair point. Def correct that most Americans don’t enforce this rule. No real advantage tapping in for the automatic score and letting the guy behind you try to improve on it. Now if the putt was 5-6 feet out and gave somebody the advantage of seeing the line, different story. But on a tap in??? Kirk is dirty for trying to enforce that one

[@bobbyjones3657]

I just want to say this is amazing content. I’m enjoying every second of it. 😂

[@decadentdevil]

Me too 😂.

[@paulhughes8604]

Kirk is a real tool bag enforcing this rule. I’ve played in many scrambles and never would play that card. Ugh!!!

[@bradparks5744]

As a golf pro yes that is 100% a 5. When the ball hits the hole that's the scoring ball.

[@Sivique]

It is a rule, when I was a kid I violated it by tapping in the missed putt and the other team gave me a warning as it was my first scramble and I was 10-11ish years old and ever since then I have never forgotten it and I always give a warning when I see it happen and anytime after that I would call it on them but it has never come down to that as of yet

[@CeK-er2ku]

The rules are the rules, this is very scummy, play by the rules or don't bother playing.

[@mikal]

Some of these people are way too uptight to be playing golf.

[@Noname30000]

I don’t even follow hockey but this was a great argument

[@BIGGLESLIFE]

Me too.

[@Azzury.]

I don’t even know what they’re talking about but the drama is gripping.

[@zin.nesis1]

Imagine living a life as an adult and this is so much bothering you that you act like a child

[@JayShockblast]

The truly hilarious part about this is that if Kirk was wearing a blue shirt, Dave would have been running around saying well... it's a rule, well, it's a rule, but it's a rule, you know, it's a rule. It's funny watching him do everything to strong arm whatever benefits his team and then acting indignant about the whole thing. #KirkWasRight

[@thebroker01]

@jayShockblast Kirk was right? Kirk’s a loud mouth prick and should’ve gotten his face smacked. ANY sob playing in any group I play with would never be invited back and just might’ve walked away with a real handicap

[@HereForLaughsAndLearns]

Dave is the only boss that let's his employees speak to him like that😂

[@frankkoolosko4255]

The guy in the red shirt is exactly right as soon as that guy hit the putt , I knew , they screwed up. Common sense would tell you that finishes the hole

[@Tunanocrust1]

Anybody who’s played knows this is the equivalent of calling a hit by pitch in wiffle ball

[@thebroker01]

Beat post I’ve seen yet on here. Applauses!!😂😂

[@murphaa9564]

This isn't Nam....! There are rules here!! MARK IT 5!! Mark it 5 or you will be entering a world of pain,,,

[@jkro2814]

He's right. It's kind of of douchey, but he's right.

[@grizelda4526]

As long as you’re all having fun.

[@johnmack8904]

😂

[@AmayzinOne]

Everyone mad at Kirk is only mildly justifiable. A rule is a rule. Getting mad at someone wanting to enforce a rule for a 30k tournament, is like getting mad at referees enforcing rules in any game. Clearly it’s a stupid rule, but it is a rule. The rule exists because sinking the putt for 5 would take off some of the pressure on the prior putt, giving the team a small mental advantage. Yeah, it would not be fun playing with Kirk if he’s like this in pickup games. But in competition, you should know the rules.

[@Ryansteezy]

Yes people don’t understand with this amount of money on the line best believe I would be enforcing any and all rules

[@TheGalwayjoyce]

This is just Boston dudes talking to each other like Boston dudes. They won’t give a fuck about all the shit they said to each other, literally minutes later. We like to fight, we like to argue, we like to talk shit.

[@TylerKino]

I hope this is how the entire tournament goes

[@qiqi9057033]

I have absolutely no idea what is going on, but I am invested and heated along with em

[@jaysheck88]

Strict rule followers are the absolute worst.

[@mrkush6141]

People that don’t follow rules in a game that requires honesty and dignity are the absolute worst

[@jaysheck88]

@@mrkush6141 they were being completely honest and the dude in the red shirt had no dignity. You tap the ball in instead of marking it, because it’s a gimme and any rational person knows it’s just way easier to putt it in instead of marking the ball 2 inches away from the hole.

[@mrkush6141]

@@jaysheck88 any rational person would realize the rules of the game matter most and it takes dignity to enforce them

[@jaysheck88]

@@mrkush6141 okay nazi

[@ej9477]

I can’t tell red shirt never been punched in the mouth .. he talks too crazy

[@ETERNAL_RAVAGE]

Bruh! That is crazyyyy! I’ve been golfing from age 8 to now being 21 and have NEVER seen that rule enforced or come in to play

[@Hinklekevin]

It's a 5, everybody knows the rules!

[@joshfuchs5411]

Dave and blue team completely in the wrong here. It’s okay to not know the rule but once you’ve broken it own up and concede the hole. Basic golf etiquette - call a foul on yourself when it happens, or else you are gaining an unfair advantage

[@JRill-s1j]

Lol did you know it’s illegal to stand behind and watch your team putt in a scramble? Arian did that in this video and I don’t see anyone complaining about that. See how dumb it is to enforce every little rule?

[@joenichols3901]

Lmao even the comments are completely split on this

[@richhoops2413]

I don't understand how a grown man can tell another grown man to shut the f#$% up plus numerous other insults, and not expect to throw down right there.

[@dayman5417]

Agree. Those are fighting words

[@thebroker01]

Dudes I play with? Poor Kirk would be limping home calling out for Mama 😂.

[@Catchyalater_Fishing_Co]

lmao i swear Dave is the last person id want to get into it with. i mean if you want to get petty dont get mad when everyone else gets petty

[@Strawny4]

Idk how this guy in the red didn’t get hit in the face… swearing at everyone crazy move and crazy disrespectful

[@L-Jay1147]

How do they talk to Dave like that 😮😂❤

[@zigyparker2945]

Scramble rules are legit 5 he’s right in red shirt

[@dakb2344]

They didn’t even finish the hole? 😂 picked up their marker. Guy in red is a clown

[@AGgaming58]

once your team holes out the ball, tap in or not, that is the score you get. which is why you don't hole out the tap in until everyone putts. pretty simple. some people dont care when its a charity event or friendly tournament, but for big money it matters a lot.

[@jamesfea4663]

Blue Team is wrong on this…

[@XxFBoxX]

For 30k and it’s the rule.

[@burkzzy]

2:10 vs 2:35

[@brianhavey]

Possibly the worst guest at an event ever.

[@bigdaddy1818]

How's playing the rules a douch bag move

[@DB_________]

I remember one comp I played, I got called out on a Par 5, hitting my 2nd on the green out of turn to help speed up play. Whilst waiting nearly 25mins for the rest of the group to find their lost tee shots, redrops, fatted 2nd shots, pressure from groups behind waiting. I told the opposition your gonna need to pay for a new Scottie Cam once I've wrapped it around your head. Did the trick.

[@ej9477]

His attitude changed up when Arian Foster told him he from the projects and all the tough shit don’t matter for him 👀👀👀

[@wlieffers333]

Dave did Kirk and Hank even finish the hole? It looks like Kirk picked up his ball marker before they finished. So even if they count Arian and Francis as a 5, Kirk and Hank should have finished putting for their 5. If they missed that putt Arian and Francis would win anyway.

[@pootie3181]

What is happening?! LOL. Guy taps his putt in to speed up the game. And red shirt turns into a cnt.

[@mrkush6141]

Actually a tap in there only slows the game down

[@robd1789]

Kirk keeps saying disgrace. He’s the the disgrace. What an angry petty guy he is!!!!!!

[@bradcarlson7828]

Kirk is in recovery, yeah thats obvious

[@rodneychernowsky5687]

This is the equivalent of making a 1$ bet with a guy, winning and then throwing a fit when he says "ill get you tomorrow" 😅

[@aimalpahrand1607]

What you guys don’t understand is this game is for 30k. It’s not friends playing golf together.

[@prestonphillips3375]

What you don’t understand is golf

[@drdontpassone8164]

red shirt guy is nuts

[@phukyew14]

Blax appropriating a European sport is cringe

[@BrokenRRT]

Nobody knew the rules.

[@jasonroberts2049]

Ummmm. Rules are rules. Might as well just take birdies all day and cheat lol.

[@amossauceda9972]

“Come up with something different” is code for “Stop calling me out, I know I am wrong”

[@Hooligan6R]

That's 5, clowns. Don't drop your ball.

[@chiefstonio3183]

I hate kirk so much id pay dave to fire him lmao😂😂

[@kcalhoun1993]

The reason why it’s a dispute is bc if he would’ve missed the tap in for 5 and everyone still shooting for 4 after him missed, he would’ve gotten to shoot again for 5 at the best ball

[@Johnnyvaughan2129]

lol note to self…. Never play golf with a guy named HANK😅

[@johnnybgood7442]

😂 I love that it got more and more petty

[@yeahdefinitely6607]

When you win an argument with your wife on a technicality, but get blue balls

[@Josh_Co]

God, I didn't think golfers could be any more insufferable. Also why didn't Dave hire an official to enforce rules? Just watching Barstool content it's evident theres a bunch of scumbags that are around. This behavior isn't anything new.

[@RickGrimes807]

Lol

[@rickhall517930]

I have no idea who these people are or what they are arguing about.

[@alexisfawcett2155]

Great comment lol

[@UserName-ip9lw]

It’s a 5

[@fras2point028]

Rico arguing anything is the funniest joke in the whole video.

[@mrkush6141]

Dave is wrong here

[@34muggsy34]

You holed it for 5. That's the rule.

[@eh7401]

I've played in nearly 100 scrambles and I have never heard that rule before that's BS.

[@djthur01]

I have seen this in competitive scrambles before, but not in an event like this. That guy needs friends.

[@stephenberklay4033]

there are no golf rules in a scramble,they are not covered, my club says you can put out for your partner to have his putt as this speeds the game up instead of marking the first ball, sort the rules before you play, simple

[@stk2mln887]

Seems staged I remember a video very similar to this of Dave and Whitney yelling at each other on the course 😂

[@barryholiday8998]

Kirk is so grumpy 😆

[@MattMacKo]

I have never seen that rule enforced....ever