David Fitzgerald Skepticon 3 Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus

[@Scorned405]

David, Aron Ra, Seth Andrews, Derek Lambert, Richard Carrier, Robert Price, and many more have really opened my eyes and challenged my world view and made me reevaluate a lot of what we are taught about Jesus and Christianity

[@Marabarra94]

try to read Raphael Lataster. a scholar and a mythicist. he wrote a peer reviewed book on the historicity of Jesus. very good. also the work of Dennis mcDonald is very interesting.

[@ghenulo]

It's unfortunate that he couldn't do his entire presentation.

[@StevenLoby]

Best introduction ever

[@pgsmith22]

A powerful presentation. 👏

[@veganatheistandmore]

Great video. Thank you for sharing this!

[@woohoo273]

One off the best presentations of Jesus mythicism on the interwebs

[@joshdarius5995]

It would be great to get 1 that proves that 🤡 existed

[@toddcott9510]

My Labrador is called Jesus. He is the son of dog.

[@henryhill7223]

😂

[@nicksapp6543]

And he’s real!

[@gowdsake7103]

Thatsssss funnyyyy

[@DMRoper1]

🤣

[@trigonzobob]

When he is a good boy, do you praise him? 😂

[@cdzlink7115]

Christianity may have started in the second century.

[@baderel-safadi6603]

Glad that you were able to see and expose the truth about that mythology. That people believe in it blindly without thinking. They are not any different from the previous and present pagan worshiper who can become even fanatics. They are attributing things to Jesus who probably never claimed or said. They made their own religion like all the many others. Thank you for being objective.

[@potrahsel4195]

Excellent 👌 Thanks

[@newnoggin2]

Since the New Testament was written in scholarly Greek, nobody in the area could read it except the very few scholars in the area.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The fact that Jesus never wrote anything is troubling if he was indeed a god who wanted to deliver accurate instructions on how to be accepted into his kingdom. What we have instead is a guide to cognitive dissonance.

[@OrthodoxJoker]

That’s the belief though. The bible is Jesus. Inspired from the word.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

You seem to forget that the bible is full rape , murder , genocide and degradation of women, Which shows the ignorance and disrespect for the mothers of humanity. All religion`s are terrorist organisations NON EXCEPTED.

[@scienceexplains302]

⛪️ *What’s a Church?* The word translated as Church meant “assembly.” It didn’t come to mean a building dedicated to Christianity until later. The first building built for the purpose of worshiping Jesus may have been the Church of the Nativity, dedicated in 339.

[@gary100dm]

Aristotle was more influential through history.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Aristotle was ignorant superstitious misogynist. Do some research on that piece of ancient faecal matter.

[@gowdsake7103]

Amazing how the apologists cut off all comments when they try to defend their book

[@sparks2749]

One detail simply not mentioned is that these writings were not widely read by the masses - they were written for the elite and the priest classes,... so the information contained in these writings has a purpose and very small audience,... usually these were "like-minded" people.

[@lewisabraham936]

Very true.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Christians literally burned alive anyone who even tried to read the towns bible and even those who tried to make copies to spread the 'word' Real sick n twisted

[@SleepyPenguin-8og]

Flya than alien aircraft driven by a martian Jurors found me innocent chris Darden

[@JohnKoenig-db8lk]

"Super awesome!" Oh, please. Can we leave the talking to the adults?

[@darthvirgin7157]

when you say “even christian biblical scholars agree that the gospels were NOT written by those named after them”... ...you should say “even HONEST christian biblical scholars agree...”

[@Wong-Jack-Man]

Jesus existed you just have to decouple Jesus the ordinary teacher vs Jesus the myth. He came at the time and place for the mythical character to be birthed with the merging of all the rich cultures of Judaism, Hellenism and roman myths and vacuum that was right for a revolutionary to spring up.

[@gowdsake7103]

ZERO EVIDENCE

[@ossiedunstan4419]

If jesus existed why does such a higher life form who according to the texts knows everything , But not one inkling of the Australian Aboriginal people, the chinese , the north Americans , the south Americans , etc, etc, That's because the people that wrote the biblical toilet paper back then , Had no idea. Rich cultures of Judaism, Are you kidding the jews where back then worse than koranic islam. Look at what happens when you arm jews , They are trying wipe out Palestinian's so they can have the entire Palestinian nation. Rich culture , if you deem destroying every other culture and replacing it with the ignorance and superstition that is all religion. I was born an Anti Theist, After reading the koran twice, I am now also KAFIR. Rome never fell until after christianity poisoned it.( It is bad in the bible to clean your hands ) Same with every civilisation in history that was ruled bye religion, no longer exists. Australian Aboriginal's, 65,000 + years of civilisation and culture and not one middle eastern genocidal kill thy neighbour death cult until 1788, when british christians landed and found out that women where equal in Aboriginal society and started slaughtering whole mobs, Just because women had equal rights. To me your un educated scum bag, As i am Aboriginal you are also being racist to me , my people our ancestors and the mother of all Aboriginal Australian's, The Australian continent, over 65,000 years of land management destroyed in 235 years bye white ignorance.

[@RobertoGaspar69]

LMAO!!!! There is no jesus. There is no god. Accept the reality and move on.

[@glen6945]

listen and learn

[@cedricvaz6112]

The Bible (Old and New) is no different from Greek and Hindu mythology just like the Pegasus and a mermaid !

[@seanhammer6296]

The Bible is different because it's premise is moral iniquity it applies to mankind, which is utter nonsense.

[@andy-the-gardener]

its just another pagan religion. im sick of hearing secular historians going on about chistianity replacing paganism. doffing their caps in fear of causing offense to the faithful. its almost as annoying and bad as the human vs animal or ape false distinction. the current dominant form of anything likes to distance itself from its hideous relatives. likes to put on airs and graces. those dirty pagans and apes are much too close for comfort. the hyacinth bucket syndrome

[@DaliLllama]

I cant leave a thumbs up and corrupt 666 likes ...

[@glutinousmaximus]

Next - Examining the Existence of an even more Historical Hero - Newton!

[@danderran]

I don’t understand how Christian communities were already established during St Paul’s time. He visited them and wrote letters to them. I find it difficult to believe that they sprang up as a result of hearing a few stories about a fictional character called Jesus.

[@HughJaxident67]

So an argument from incredulity from you then.....

[@shauntaylor8115]

The Jesus that Paul and his followers worship is a gnostic/celestial Jesus not the historical Jesus that Mark wrote about in his gospel. What Mark did was to place the gnostic/celestial Jesus back into an historical setting and humanise him.

[@AbandonedVoid]

It's good to ask where these other Christians came from and what they believed. It's not good to assume that they believed in a historical, physical Jesus or that such a belief would indicate that there really was a historical, physical Jesus. We don't know. So it's better to be honest and say that we don't have any evidence for Jesus.

[@gabepearson6104]

@@shauntaylor8115 lmao, even though he calls Jesus a man, comparing him to Adam, and says he was “born of woman” and, “born under the law” implying he was of a Jewish descent.

[@RobertoGaspar69]

Not even sure that this superhuman Paul ever existed. 😅 The only thing we can be certain of.. is that this book is a fictional piece.

[@glen6945]

DAMN-THATS DAMN GOOD HUMAN -TALK -BYE YOU

[@DavidLeeMenefee]

@2:55 - My friend you have the wrong Caesar Augustus for there were several Caesar Agustus'. Caesar Augustus 23 September 63 BC - 19 August AD 14), also known as Octavian, was officially the first Roman emperor who reigned from 27 BC until his death in AD 14. Octavian Caesar Augustus was actually the father of Caesar Augustus the one that you mis-referenced. NOTE: Cyrenius the governor of Syria from 51 BC - AD 21) you failed to even mention this verse is the time stamp for the decreed tax, I hope this helps. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BTW - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Back in July, 1983 I was personally taken to HEAVEN and so I saw it all for myself! I was given a tour of HEAVEN by GOD himself and then sent back here to Earth to inform people like you that yes indeed HEAVEN is 100% real; GOD is real, he was real kind to me by the way, and JESUS is 100% real. Sorry guys and gals but you all have been 100% LIED! to. I am sorry about that. GOD sent me back here with this mandate to inform you of the TRUTH! I now have over one hundred anecdotal examples, evidence if you will on my other channels, feel free to peruse at your own risk, Dave.

[@HughJaxident67]

*Back in July, 1983 I was personally taken to HEAVEN and so I saw it all for myself! I was given a tour of HEAVEN by GOD himself and then sent back here to Earth to inform people like you that yes indeed HEAVEN is 100% real; GOD is real, he was real kind to me by the way, and JESUS is 100% real* Cool and your demonstrable evidence for this is what exactly? 'Because you say so?' Anecdotal evidence is the flimsiest there is, we have countless people from other religions who adamantly claim that they have had an audience with their deities and extend the same message you have about their own gods. Why shouldn't we accept their claims but believe yours? Unfortunately, you have nothing, just baseless claims you cannot substantiate so zero reason to believe you.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Then i can charge you for all crimes committed in your gods name , and their are 1,000`s of them. here are some , In 1788 when white genocidal christians landed in Australia, They where horrified that woman in Aboriginal society had equal standing with men, they where included in all civil matters including law, These white christians then started killing whole Aboriginal communities, Men woman children new born`s because my people refused to deny the rights of woman who had had those rights for over 65,000 years. USA 150,000 native American CHILDREN slaughtered bye christians because they would not convert. vatican island 1 well , over 30,00 skeletal remains of mainly young females = the Italian government has never held them to account, So are complicent and accessories to crimes against humanity. ireland , Over 900 very young to new born babies starved and thrown in a sewer because they when not blue eyed and blonde haired( sound familiar), If the where blue eyed and blonde haired the where sold to the USA federal immigration department for 5,000 to 15,000 odd dollars, Who then on sold for a profit to white christian childless couples.. The Polynesian people are the best natural navigators on the planet and because of christianity those skills where almost completely lost. This is christianity, every country they have infested, Genocide and cultural destruction followed. religion specifically christian religions are racist towards me and every native indigenous population on the planet, religion has tried to wipe from the planet. You are a liar, personal incredulity is not evidence of anything but your twisted and racist mind. I would also like an answer to the question of , Please exp0alin 65,000 years of godless civilisation and culture with out your god or any gods from any where on the planet until the date above 1788. You a e a disgusting advocate for rape, murder, pedophilia and genocide.

[@adams481]

How are anecdotal examples evidence? What you had was a nice dream. Prove me wrong.

[@DavidLeeMenefee]

Prove to me that you are adams481? @@adams481

[@Vic2point0]

+Mark Angellotti "William Lane Craig's arguments rest on a series of unfounded assumptions." I call bullshit. Which of the premises do you think is false? "First, he assumes God exists." That's... no part of his arguments, no. You don't have to assume god exists to see *any* of the premises are more plausibly true than their negations. "Then he assumes God is good." That's not in any of his premises, either. I'm beginning to think you're faulting him for being a Christian before/without even *looking* at the arguments he presents. A sort of premature dismissal of him on a personal level... "Then he assumes objective moral values exist. But he has not proven any of this." While that is indeed one of the premises in one of his arguments, it isn't just an assumption. He gives a *reason* to believe in objective morality, this being our moral senses. And he argues (and I agree) that for any argument you can run to be skeptical of our moral senses, we can find a parallel argument for skepticism of our *physical* senses. Moreover, the moral argument isn't essential to his cumulative case for Christian theism. So even if I granted your claim that it rests on unfounded assumptions, it wouldn't affect his other, more essential arguments in the slightest. "The problem of evil is extremely potent." Then you need to be the one to support its key premise. Why do you think we can be confident that god couldn't possibly have morally sufficient reasons for permitting suffering/evil in the world? "If God exists, why allow children to starve to death and suffer painful deaths?" That's not an argument, just a question. If this is to be more than just emotionally charged rhetoric, you need an argument to show that there can't be a good reason for such things. And remember, if we exist for an eternity, that would surely have to be the realm of significance, not this one. "Sure, theists can say, "But God works in mysterious ways. God might have a good reason for allowing children to starve to death." But as long as the reasons are not provided, we have no reason to believe God exists-" That's a non sequitur. It ignores all of the *other* reasons (Craig's other arguments, personal experiences, etc.) that one could have. "and if God were to exist, we have no reason to believe God's reasons for allowing children to starve are valid reasons." But no reason to believe they *aren't* valid, either, which is the point. The problem of evil is an anti-theistic argument. You as the proponent of the argument have the burden of proof to show that the aforementioned hidden premise (that god could not have morally sufficient reason to permit suffering) is true. Unless and until you can do that, the problem of evil argument fails. "All the suffering in the world supports the idea that we live in a naturalistic world, not an intelligently designed world." It doesn't support either in and of itself, no. You need that other premise to form an argument.

[@HughJaxident67]

It's evident Mark Angellotti grew tired of your apologetic nonsense and removed himself from the discourse, so posting this random entry he will no doubt, never see seems rather pointless. Either way, how about you comment on the content in this presentation? I have little to no interest in philosophical musings based on theological constructs as such argument are not evidence, besides, I find WLC to be intellectually dishonest and morally compromised by his Christianity. So, how about you comment on this video as it actually deals with objective evidence within history?

[@Vic2point0]

@@HughJaxident67 How is WLC intellectually dishonest or "morally compromised"? The fact is that Craig *deals* with a lot of the arguments in this video and others, and so this other KZbinr and I were having a conversation about it. But now *you* want to make allegations in passing and not be called out on them. You can perhaps start your own comment thread for that.

[@HughJaxident67]

@@Vic2point0 To repeat, comment on the content of THIS video rather than your irrelevant brown nosing of WLC.

[@AbandonedVoid]

Dude, literally ALL of William Lane Craig's arguments sneak the existence of God as an implicit assertion into one of his premises. He even does that when arguing aesthetics. If you don't see how, then try reforming any of his arguments out into formal syllogisms. It becomes apparent very quckly.

[@Vic2point0]

@@AbandonedVoid Not at all. In fact, you can agree with any of the premises without believing in god (Indeed, Craig often quotes atheist philosophers and scientists who agree with the premise he's talking about in his debates). But if you think there's a premise that requires the assumption that god exists, feel free to identify it anytime.

[@paxmule]

2:02 "Past half twelve."

[@laserbera19]

I'm glad someone else caught that too

[@AGirlGivesAManHisOwnName]

In Britain, this makes complete sense. It would mean "just past twelve thirty". It could be that he's using a British colloquialism, as I've heard many Americans use, such as "rubbish", "cheers" as a way of saying thank you, "tick" (✔️) instead of "check", "bloody..." as an expletive/intensifier; as well as others. Meh, but then again, maybe he just made a mistake and meant to say "half past twelve", lol., which, again, is much more common thing to say in Britain (half past...) than it is in the U.S. (...thirty).

[@laserbera19]

@@AGirlGivesAManHisOwnName that does make total sense thank you! 😊

[@DJMICA-bz3qz]

Crazy how this caused a shade of confusion to scholars even for 2000 years.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Jesus is a nick name for Joshua messiah, it was very common name, still is not evidence he ever existed , Which he never. I am Australian Aboriginal we have Mungo man and woman , Dated at 40,000 years old , where was jesus then. EXACTLY.

[@baderel-safadi6603]

They made him God yet he was so down to earth and was preaching to them to worship God not himself. The real evil one is Paul who changed the whole message to make it appealing to the people and Roman at that time.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Provide evidence he actually existed, let alone preached, Non of the earliest surviving christian toilet papers, State very clearly he made it planet side, let alone preached, He is as i have stated, Above a figment of ignorance and superstition. Please provide the evidence.

[@DavidLeeMenefee]

By the way, did you know that the name "Caesar Augustus" see Luke2:1 is not even a name! Caesar Augustus is a persons title it's NOT! a persons name.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Caesar is a title not Augustus, do some F`ing research. Watch some Bethany Hues.

[@gabepearson6104]

Wait, did he say it was talking about another Jesus? It says Jesus who was called the Christ.

[@BROWNDIRTWARRIOR]

I am not sure what the non- existence of the Christian Jesus has to do with strengthening the atheism argument. Any sensible person with spirituality knows that Christ, if he did exist, was not the son of God but this does not exclude the existence of a creator. Organized religion has always been a sham.

[@StephenGrover-zc4hp]

I'll bet you'll sing a different tune when you stand in.front of your creator! You'll believe then, and you'll remember doing this podcast for eternity!

[@joshdarius5995]

When you find out u worship some made up garbage and deserve hell for being to dumb to live and Satan will welcome you dumbs

[@glen6945]

ACE

[@josegaleano1530]

Jesus was an ordinary nobody whom no one noticed but a few fanatical followers Jesus was the name of celestial being. subordinate to God with whom some people hallucinated conversations Jesus was Euhemerized the stories were created that placed him on earth interacting with historical figures Religion was invented when the first conmen met that first fool. Twein Thankyou for this program excellent

[@gabepearson6104]

Jesus was not the name of a celestial being, Philo doesn’t say his name is Jesus, but “Rising”

[@crb4059]

And He was God.

[@newnoggin2]

​@@crb4059 He never said so. Read Bart Erman's research.

[@jrgnc1]

Learn to proofread before posting.

[@danderran]

The speaker has a slightly anxious, annoying tone of voice, which I find somewhat discomfiting, like he is trying to (somewhat reluctantly)

[@danderran]

... convince himself that Christ did not exist.

[@danderran]

At home with the Fitzgeralds. Bedtime. Mrs Fitzgerald: What are you doing tomorrow, dear? I thought we might go for a walk in the park and have lunch somewhere. David: I thought I told you. I’m flying to Milwaukee tomorrow to give a talk. Mrs Fitzgerald: Oh. David: Well, aren’t you going to ask me what it’s about? Mrs Fitzgerald: Is it about that Jesus stuff again? David: At least, try and show some interest. This is mind blowing stuff, you know. We need to get this stuff out to the whole planet. It’s vitally important. Mrs Fitzgerald: But, we never seem to do anything together. David: Look, we agreed when we got married: this is my life’s mission. Nothing else matters. People must know the TRUTH. Mrs Fitzgerald: Oh, did you remember to put the green bin out? David: I can’ believe you said that! Pause. Mrs Fitzgerald: David. David: Yes? Mrs Fitzgerald: My mom believes in Jesus. David: Yes, well, the less said about her, the better. Now try to get some sleep. I’ve got a busy day tomorrow. Good NIGHT! Mrs Fitzgerald: Good night, David. David eventually drifts off into a fitful, delirious sleep, muttering away: Jesus doesn’t exist... Jesus doesn’t exist... no... no... get back! Get back... get thee behind me, Satan... nooooo, pleeeeease... not the closet... noooooo, aaaaaaargh! Mrs Fitzgerald: David, David! Wake up! You’re having one of your bad dreams again. David wakes up, sobbing: Yes, it was awful. It was so real. What’s happening to me? I think I’m losing my mind. Mrs Fitzgerald (hugging David): There, there, it’s OK now. It was just a dream. You’re right, Jesus doesn’t exist, sshhhhhh, rock-a-bye baby in the tree top ......

[@HughJaxident67]

@@danderran I think it's more accurate to imply you're projecting, Fitzgerald's presentation is certainly not 'anxious' at all, it's rather informal and engaging

[@JorgeGarcia-ur7ez]

@@HughJaxident67 Agreed, this guy is totally proyecting

[@HughJaxident67]

@@danderran *At home with the Fitzgeralds* If I were you, I wouldn't give up the day job, you're about as amusing as cancer.

[@DJMICA-bz3qz]

If this guy was less snarky he’d of come off a lot better.

[@gowdsake7103]

Its called humour you wouldn't understand

[@daydays12]

what does 'snarky' mean?

[@gowdsake7103]

@@daydays12 Mocking or condescending !

[@daydays12]

OK Thank you. In that case I don't think Mr Fitzgerald was particularly snarky. A pity he ran out of time though... the Alexander the Great part sounded as if it would be exciting ! @@gowdsake7103

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

The ash heap of history is piled high with those trying to compete with Jesus.

[@michaelparks5669]

David is just laughed at by 99.9% of the world's scholars.

[@ryanjones4150]

Why would you sat that ? He didn't say anything that wasn't accurate. Did you actually watch the whole presentation with an open mind ? Or did you just come here to troll. There is no historical evidence at all that Jesus existed, and there is a lot of glaring omissions in the record that should absolutely exist if he did and was as much of a big deal as you think he was at the time. The fact that he didn't exist and was made up makes perfect sense as to why Christianity and the Bible make no sense. There was no garden of Eden, Noah's ark, Tower of Babel, Moses etc. etc. Face reality, it's really not that bad without your mythology.

[@Dr.zaidi4]

Why does everybody spend more of their time talking about Jesus? Those who love him and those who hate him alike.

[@williamwatson4354]

Because Christianity is a powerful influence on the world. Shouldn't we know if its real or fiction?

[@ossiedunstan4419]

because those who believe in jesus are willing to do anything, Here are some examples of christians following the GOOD book, In 1788 when white genocidal christians landed in Australia, They where horrified that woman in Aboriginal society had equal standing with men, they where included in all civil matters including law, These white christians then started killing whole Aboriginal communities, Men woman children new born`s because my people refused to deny the rights of woman who had had those rights for over 65,000 years. USA 150,000 native American CHILDREN slaughtered bye christians because they would not convert. vatican island 1 well , over 30,00 skeletal remains of mainly young females = the Italian government has never held them to account, So are complicent and accessories to crimes against humanity. ireland , Over 900 very young to new born babies starved and thrown in a sewer because they when not blue eyed and blonde haired( sound familiar), If the where blue eyed and blonde haired the where sold to the USA federal immigration department for 5,000 to 15,000 odd dollars, Who then on sold for a profit to white christian childless couples.. The Polynesian people are the best natural navigators on the planet and because of christianity those skills where almost completely lost. This is christianity, every country they have infested, Genocide and cultural destruction followed. religion specifically christian religions are racist towards me and every native indigenous population on the planet, religion has tried to wipe from the planet. This is why, to stop these genocidal maniacs from killing every one. What kind of god is happy his followers look after blonde haired blue eyed Irish children , and starve the rest then throw then in a sewer. These children in ireland where taken and paid the christian abductors to abduct these children from unmarried mothers, yet not one chrstian or the irish government have ever ben before the Hague for these abhorrent acts in jesus name. Bye your i get the feeling that you are ok with christians doing the above.

[@gowdsake7103]

Because your claiming something that cannot be demonstrated to be true

[@johnthomas6174]

He lost me at even though none of us believe this. It's easy to speak in a crowd of your own peers

[@HughJaxident67]

And in saying this, you confirmed you have no interest in critical thinking.

[@gowdsake7103]

And there we have it you have no interest in PROOF all you want is unjustified belief

[@johnthomas6174]

@@gowdsake7103 so you believe nothing exploded??? Big ang of nothing. Sounds sketchy.

[@johnthomas6174]

@@gowdsake7103 come on man. Come up with something better than that.

[@hellmouthisnogod1952]

I fully believe the Bible: A) Jesus was born 2 years before the "Slaughter of the Innocents" and B) Jesus was born in the year of the Great Imperial Census (not a small local one) when every citizen of the Roman empire had to travel to the home of his ancestor (not any ancestor: pure male blood line) lived 250 years before Rome was founded; "king David" is supposed to have been born about 1000 bCE, Rome began writing its books in 753 bCE. hm ... maybe I just start thinking .....

[@gowdsake7103]

Oh dear Romans did not require subjects to return to their ancestral homes to be counted, rather, they made them return to their present homes EVER You fully believe that bats are birds ? Wales are fish? Do you wear clothes of mixed cloth ? Eat shellfish ? believe in slavery and stoning a child ? Your seriously fucked up if you do

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Sorry but the first or stated properly , The earliest roman book is dated at AD 79, keep lying for your genocidal leader that never existed. You are the reason the USA civilisation is dying.

[@gowdsake7103]

The Census as described NEVER HAPPENED stop being ignorant Dead sea scrolls are 100 percent of the time to 100 years after your fantasy. Guess what? Lots about the old testament, not 1 single word about Jesus or the new testament

[@hellmouthisnogod1952]

@@gowdsake7103 Did I say that this census happened?? YES - IT DID HAPPEN IN THE YEAR OF THE BIRTH OF JESUS: NEVER SAME AS TWO YEARS AFTER THE SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENTS which never happned: NEVER THERE NEVER WAS A JESUS GUY WHO COULD BE SOURCE OF THE BIBLE STORY.

[@daydays12]

well pointed out @@gowdsake7103

[@ossiedunstan4419]

5:30 in , I am Anti Theist, and Kafir.

[@myart1336]

Read 'The Authenticity of the New Testament (Part 1). The Gospels.' By Bill Cooper and you will soon see that the guy giving the talk has no clue what he is talking about.

[@gowdsake7103]

Milton William "Bill" Cooper (May 6, 1943 - November 5, 2001) was an American conspiracy theorist, radio broadcaster, and author known for his 1991 book Behold a Pale Horse, in which he warned of multiple global conspiracies, some involving extra-terrestrial life enough said

[@daydays12]

Thank you for that info!! Indeed enough said about Mr Cooper!@@gowdsake7103

[@danderran]

The speaker jokes about Jesus saying upon this rock I will build my church, what’s a church, they didn’t exist then???!!! Church is a loose translation of ecclesia, which means a community, especially of chosen people. He obviously hasn’t done his homework. Every time I listen to a segment of this talk, something ridiculous stands out like a sore thumb.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

If you are going to post, you should work on posting something that provides value.... Just a thought

[@daydays12]

Why did Jesus call Peter a 'rock' if he was to 'build' a community or assembly?

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Quoting a philosopher is like quoting the bible, Philosophy is personal opinion stated from a perceived place of authority. Their is no peer review for philosophy so it is not good pathway to the truth. I do not believe one word any Philosopher even today has to say. Einstein used Philosopher's to get an ignorant view of his work. Not answers.

[@williamramsey5464]

Let's think critically and go with the odds. Best I understand the process, there's about 19 steps, in order, to change Lanosterol to cholesterol. Cholesterol, of course, is used all over the body. That comes out to 121 645 100 408 832 000 or so. 121 and a wad of zeros after it. There's that many ways this could go wrong and be out of order. Factorializing 19. It struck me one day that that number to 1 could be, yes, perhaps in some ways, the odds that there must be God. Sounds a bit humorous, but it does give someone reason to stop. At least if you don't believe by faith alone. Not to mention that process has to be encoded in your DNA to even make it happen at all. Let's pretend that's a proof of God. Now. What were you saying?

[@LucasChoate]

Why a god? Why not a cholesterol genie? Or, better, a physiology genie? The thing is, it is just plain poor logic to insert a hypothesis as the solution to the question. That said, outside of abiogenesis, how life works is well understood. The origin of cholesterol included. When the facts are stacked up together, the case for a fully natural evolution from chemical origins becomes really solid. No gods needed for that.

[@danderran]

Lucas Chemical origins? So, how did the chemicals originate? Maybe, from energy. So, how did energy originate?

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@danderran If your proof of God is your unproven assumption that all things originate from something, then that would have to include God by necessity, and thus there can't be a God. You'd instead see time extending infinitely into the past. Please come up with something more original than the Clockwork Fallacy. Give us hard, observable, verifiable evidence and not some long-debunked philosophical rhetoric you pull out of thin air.

[@gowdsake7103]

Is a super nova proof of god ? Does god make all snowflakes because as far as we can tell they are all unique ! How about your fingerprint is that from god because its a 1 in 64 TRILLION chance

[@gowdsake7103]

@@danderran Go on then how did your god originate ! Waits for special pleading

[@wagdywilliam1869]

This man acting as a clown surrounded by foolish people giving him a clap for his deceptive delirious and superstitious talking. What can man expect from someone raving on things he has no conscious of it. He is considered as an atheist has nothing to do with the truth,for he lives just into his fantasy world. He enjoys his body mind only. He has lost spirit. He is considered as dead person, no life in him. I feel pity for him. I hope that one day, he may be revived out of the deaths people.

[@HughJaxident67]

What a waste of space you are. If you're going to make a critical comment, then make at least some effort to offer counter-arguments to the points being raised rather than throwing insults around.

[@OrthodoxJoker]

Looking at what you follow I think you need Jesus Hugh

[@HughJaxident67]

@@OrthodoxJoker *Looking at what you follow I think you need Jesus Hugh* Looking at your supposed advice, I think you need to start placing value on reason and evidence.

[@OrthodoxJoker]

@@HughJaxident67 don’t like that do you. There is plenty of evidence. Look at the state of society today a godless society full of degeneracy. Biblical prophecy coming true all the time. Wake up

[@HughJaxident67]

​@@OrthodoxJoker *don’t like that do you* LOL Don't like what? Your facile and baseless comments? I couldn't care less thanks ;) I couldn't care less because you've presented zero arguments or evidence so you're not even taxing me or anyone. *There is plenty of evidence* No there isn't, indeed, there is precisely zero objective evidence any god has ever existed including the one you blindly worship. *Look at the state of society today a godless society full of degeneracy* WTF is a 'godless society' even supposed to mean? You see, the god described in your bible was a genocidal, vindictive, vengeful and child killing monster. Now our society is far from perfect, however, it's a lot better than a society that would align itself with how your god allegedly behaved. And 'degeneracy?' Again, what's that supposed to mean? Of course, none of what you said here is remotely evidence for any god's existence. Try harder, much harder. *Biblical prophecy coming true all the time* Not one single claimed prophecy in the bible fulfils the criteria for a genuine prophecy, not a single one. So no, none of your so called ambiguous, open to interpretation prophecies have 'come true' as none of them have ever qualified as such. *Wake up* No, you grow up and stop believing in something that is indistinguishable from something that doesn't exist. Perhaps listen to what David Fitzgerald said in his presentation in this video and make an effort to hear the points being made. If you cannot present any valid counter-arguments then that ought to set off alarm bells with the position you hold. Either you care what's actually true or you just want to believe what you want to believe. So let me spell this out for you - If you're planning on responding then do so with argument or qualified criticism, if you intend to post the same crap you've already posted, then do us both a favour and disappear.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

here you go the Greek word for plagiarism, Which is what all middle eastern religion`s are built on, That word your looking for is plagion, All middle eastern religion are built on the religion that came before them in the case of judiasm and christianity, At least 240 religion prior to christianity. The torah the jews follow to day is nothing like the torah from early judiasm, their where many gods in early judaism, They turned into the various character's you see to day. The great exosus was abbling account of 40 jews taken as slaves bye the persians and taken to a slave center some 40 odd days from where they where taken. Thier was not millions wondering the desert for 40 years, the logistics alone would take years of planning even to day with technology.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Today their are over 50,000 different denominations' of christianity on the planet. Why don`t jesus and god come down and sort them out !

[@ossiedunstan4419]

Caesar never taxed Australian Aboriginal`s , Please correct the racist diatribe, So Caesar never taxed the whole world , Seems ignorance is bliss with this atheist as well