David Fuller: What happened to Jordan Peterson?

[@nataliebutler]

I'm surprised by this. I think Jorden is currently far more practically oriented, rather than philosophical, and there's a good reason for that. It's what's required right now. Anger is a healthy response to boundaries being crossed. I'm grateful to him for speaking up so plainly as so few dare to.

[@ThePdeHav]

Well said

[@hittitecharioteer]

@@ThePdeHav 👏🏻✅

[@maxtroy]

Yes. Rebel Wisdom are fence sitters Jordan Peterson is a man of principle willing to stand up for what he believes in

[@MojoFilter]

My feeling too - J.P is alive and well and being very honest about himself and what is required right now. This David guy is a coward and wilfully blinded by his own intellect. He says a lot without saying anything meaningful. Rubin and J.P are very much a part of the conversation and recognise the need to be vocal and not a fence-sitting commentator. Glad Freddie pushed back a bit here.

[@psychologyrelated538]

Well said

[@gobabawonan2199]

The only thing that's changed is that Peterson has gotten more focused and determined to confront legitimate threats to Western civilization. He's also appalled by what's happened in Canada over the last year or so, being Canadian (like myself)

[@charlo7518]

Absolutely!!

[@sharonleis1365]

No more mister nice guy. As a cranky 70 year old Canadian that can not believe this great country has become so complacent and whimpy. I think a bit of agression against the ridiculous last two years is called for. Go get them JP. ❤️🇨🇦

[@jameskfouri1896]

💯

[@guillaumerusengo9371]

A threat that exists in reality in people's heads.

[@j6077xxd]

It is appalling. Utterly.

[@patrickh9937]

If you watched what Trudeau and his cronies did to the truckers and their supporters, and you don't know where you stand, you may not be persuadable.

[@oldben101]

And what exactly did the PM do to the truckers and their supporters? Are you talking about the vast majority of truckers who kept working and had nothing to do with the protests, or just the small but vocal minority that the majority of Canadians did not support?

[@re.natured]

@@oldben101 - refused to meet with them or discuss the issues in any basic, level-headed, respectful way. - cowardly fled the scene, instantly - publicly name-called a large, diverse group of citizens with prejudice slurs, and orchestrated a major smear campaign. - Abused his power in an unprecedented way in Canadian history and dishonoued the basic rights of citizens to peaceful protest. The majority of Canadians were ill-informed on the true intentions and realities of the protests by a smear campaign largely fuelled by government and carried out by the msm.

[@lovesees4320]

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[@lovesees4320]

Interestingly My first comment Disappeared 🌬️

[@Dianawales]

@@lovesees4320 Perhaps the owner of this channel used their free will to delete your comment. Imagine that.

[@hannuorn]

Anger is the appropriate response when boundaries are being broken. By and large, there is an appalling lack of healthy anger in our society. Beware of the moralistic, pseudospiritual idea that anger is always wrong or inappropriate.

[@ahumandoing6813]

Just don't confuse hate with anger.

[@myown2101]

@@ahumandoing6813 These days any definition could be change to fit the narrative)))

[@paullambert8183]

And also, don’t confuse a joke with hate

[@globalman]

@Hannu ...... I agree totally with you. People are either drugged pharmaceutically, asleep or indifferent so they don't feel the outrage when they perceive injustice. Suddenly this reminds me of the Film "Network" 1976. It was a great success. There was a line in the film which became a mantra for a time. I never forgot it. Sadly aside from a few of us everyone returned to the status quo. The line was "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more". It was a great scene. The more the character (Peter Finch) said the line on his tele show all over the city people began screaming out of their windows that same line. Alas, cinema did not become reality although it was even needed back then. We need a majority to wake up and join voices and intentions and of that I am unfortunately pessimistic.

[@kahyui2486]

Anger is just a emotion that can be expressed in many ways. Jordan choses to express it through agresion, usually passively.

[@ThePdeHav]

I think David Fuller doesn’t like JBP joining The Daily Wire. Neither does he seem to be aware of how close we are to systemic disaster.

[@cassandraotroy6325]

He'll find out soon enough, sadly

[@richkamminga4283]

I get the impression hes just watching clips of JBP, not entire arguements or podcasts. He is correct that further right lines are mire common but the nuance is still there.

[@lambsquartersfarm]

I don't think David Fuller likes David Fuller ... you can see it a few times in this interview, it's a bit of a bottom feeding role to spend time taking someone down behind their backs, and it's a bit sad that Unherd gave him the platform.

[@luisjgt1]

Fuller is just griffting.

[@ChiIIOutMan]

him joining daily wire, aka going commercial was the last step in ending my following, for all it matters

[@MindFields_NI]

I have been following Jordan for several years now and have to say that he still isn’t particularly right wing but I think his tolerance of the radical left is being eroded by their attacks on him.

[@CANNIBoy]

Plus Twitter has _never_ brought the best out in anyone. It’s time Twitter went the way of Vine if you’re asking me, which I appreciate, you the reader, are not.

[@miketomlin6040]

Jordan appears to be so dim he calls the Centre Right, USA Democrats, the ''radical left''!

[@johnnysalter7072]

He is not quite as right wing as Poud Boys, Klansman but he caters to them.

[@tobedownloaded6277]

Twitter has picked a side just like Facebook. They are mainstream now.

[@johnnysalter7072]

@@tobedownloaded6277 Why are you people so whinny, thjey kick liberals off as well.

[@albinosquirlz]

I don't know if a "side" was picked, but the situation is CLEARLY bad enough for Jordan to have decided to fight against what he believes to be a danger to our basic way of life. And we we will need him, cause the danger is real.

[@nicolejegathesan7056]

With you right there, Kevin!

[@Bgrosz1]

Peterson chose the side of reason. This makes him a major enemy of the Left.

[@literatious308]

One cannot negotiate with totalitarianism.

[@Badtastemamma]

Oh man.. So TRUE!!

[@johnjacob5990]

Ellen Page is a total Chad compared to Incel Jordan Peterson.

[@evedotcom]

Very much appreciate Fuller coming out with this, it can’t have been easy. He’s probably alienating himself from a fair portion of his audience shared with Jordan, as well as the audience on this channel. I’ve followed a very similar trajectory, being a huge proponent of Jordan’s for several years, still appreciating elements of his work (namely on Christianity, personality, mythology, meaning, Jung), but now noticing this shift which I find concerning and less aligned with me. I don’t have all the answers, but it’s refreshing to hear this, thank you David.

[@spartanguitarist6579]

Same here, I used to look up to the man and learned quite a lot of from him; it was because of Peterson that I began reading and exploring mythology psychology and philosophy, i think that made me a better person. It really saddens me to see him like this, he is like a completely different person from before 2020

[@rosem5041]

Yes that’s understandable. He seems to be having a mental breakdown and needs time out. Unfortunately being seen with Shapiro and not questioning Nitinyahu on the genocide of indigenous palestinians is unnerving, unsettling and accusations against all Muslims. He has come across as a compassionate person yet this is total opposite.

[@gandydancer9710]

@eve: You know the wokester "regulators" are trying to cancel Peterson's ability to practice clinical psych in Canada for, among similar things, tweeting a criticism of Trudeau for siccing Child Protective Services (or whatever it's called in Canada) on truckers who brought their children to the demonstrations? Peterson says he's enraged at this attempt to cancel him professionally, and he ought to be. But this Fuller is a useless gutless puerile little soyboy whiner who isn't worth a damn in a fight, and I want to hear no more from him.

[@AlanAverillNemtheanga]

The pandemic and lockdown (along with his personal struggles ) clearly changed his game, and I don't think either of you acknowledge that in this conversation, he came out the other side of that with it seems an opinion that the authoritarian left (Trudeau for example in his own country of Canada) made incremental gains in terms of control/power/economy over personal liberty/freedom of speech during the pandemic and he's coming out swinging.....(if you watch his chats with Rex Murphy over the trucker protests you can see this clearly) feels like he thinks the danger is far more perilous for society/civilisation than he did 5 years ago, so it speaks to logic he's shedding some of the followers of his more esoteric/intellectual worldview....

[@jdoe1744]

Love this!! 🙏 Thank you from Canada and this Jordan Peterson supporter, admirer and fan ❤

[@excel04]

He's also seemingly supported people who are making a difference and actually taking action to resolve issues. Jordan's interview with Magatte Wade is worth a watch.

[@careybuchanan]

very helpful comment for me to read - thanks

[@thetrappedchatterbox7941]

@@careybuchanan Just wanted to say that that is actually just a nice comment to see someone leave. Have a good one 👏

[@richardgoodley7845]

@@excel04 very much so!

[@superdeluxesmell]

How about this? -He did what he could to improve the world for as many people as possible. -He was attacked viciously for it. -He now sees that most people aren’t worth saving so he just addresses those who are. It’s a pretty typical life trajectory for smart, kind-hearted people who have self respect.

[@Thomas...191]

"Saving" gives slightly cultist vibes. I like peterson more than I like a lot of his followers.

[@gedofgont1006]

Very well said. There's only so much room in the lifeboat.

[@joel6633]

@@gedofgont1006 indeed haha. indeed.

[@TurdFerguson101]

@@gedofgont1006 That's what Noah was told, back in the day.🍁

[@gedofgont1006]

@@TurdFerguson101 😂😂😂 Good one!

[@lambsquartersfarm]

Say what you will about him, he is a Canadian, and at this moment in time we need a voice like his, with the breadth of audience that he has. If you have been following Canadian politics and media, we are essentially a totalitarian state right now and they are right about to clamp down on what we are able to view or hear from media, yep, straight up North Korea style. Jordan is fighting, we need more fighters, because apparently a good percentage of our population are hypnotized by the Great Leader Justin. So please consider that when you knock him down in this time of an entire country losing it's freedoms.

[@janetstead7032]

Beautifully put, thanks.

[@lambsquartersfarm]

I also wanted to add as I watch this video more and listen to David ... I think there are also multiple versions of David, and he has shifted as well, it became very apparent in the videos over the past 6 months... his new heterodox is criticizing the dissidents which makes me wonder...

[@jdoe1744]

As a Canadian, I thank you for this comment and standing up for our incredible Jordan Peterson 🙏

[@fiveleavesleft6521]

Can you expand on what's happening in Canada or suggest links please? Genuinely interested.

[@Linda-gj6kb]

Jordan Petersen is an oddball and kind of a egomaniac- BUT- I agree with much of what he has to say and we need more like him with the courage to speak up against the mob.

[@davebowden4010]

I know who I would prefer to listen to every day. Dr Peterson.

[@spnked9516]

What I'm hearing here is two non-Canadians discussing why the rhetoric and content of a Canadian has changed so drastically in the last few years, all while they largely ignore the situation in Canada that might have caused this drastic shift. Look, I get it. Canada on the global stage is the political equivalent of the change you lose in your couch cushions and forget about, but come on. You can't talk about the Peterson changes without seriously understanding the changes in Canada- especially over the last two years. Canada is heading towards a bad place, and for a man like Peterson, who I believe truly loves his country, this is an absolutely unconscionable and unacceptable state of affairs. The lockdowns and mandates of the last two years - the actions of the Trudeau government, more broadly speaking - have forced a sort of tipping point in the minds of many socially and politically aware moderates - such as Peterson himself. If the compelled speech of progressivism in 2016's Bill C-16 was the social equivalent of water being slowly boiled to cook a frog, then the last two years in Canada have been the equivalent of tossing the proverbial frog straight into the deep fryer. I would love nothing more than for Peterson to go back to giving lectures on Jungian thought, but unfortunately, here in Canada, we have a severe lack of sizable, well-spoken voices willing, and able, to call attention to the malignant (or just plain incompetent) cancer that's been eating this country from the inside outside.

[@dnormore1814]

Bravo!!!

[@graytoby1]

Best reply here, nailed it

[@fersuvious]

Well stated and wholeheartedly agree. Sadly Canada and it’s politics are mostly ignored, most of the time.

[@robyn2628]

exactly. jordan knows whats at stake. the situation in canada calls for people of courage and conviction, not lukewarm limpdicks. and the problem is, there is an urgency, a sense that "if we dont right this now, it might be too late to do anything about it later". im grateful to jordan peterson for recognizing that and stepping up to the plate.

[@richardabbot8724]

Good point. The situation in Canada must have a bearing on his situation.

[@randygault4564]

It's unfair to single out Malone and McCullough as people who need challenging. That assumes that Fauci and Birx and WHO and CDC/FDA/NIH were challenged, and that never happened. So what Rogan did was simply air the other side. It is on the majority to permit the debate, and they refused.

[@ash9058]

Yes, that’s the alternative part of the alternative media…giving voice to the alternative views and narratives that the mainstream put out as unchallengeable fact.

[@hansmeiser32]

I would have preferred alternative media to do what mainstream media didn't do: having a discussion. Instead they did the same just with the other side. I'm still very disappointed with e.g. Bret Weinstein that he e.g. didn't host a discussion between both sides on the Ivermectin issue. I very much distrust the mainstream media/narrative but because of this I distrust Bret Weinstein a little bit more than before Covid.

[@andrewmclaren6974]

@@hansmeiser32 You (and this interviewee) seem to think that would have been an option (i will give you both the benefit of the doubt).. Part of corporate medias efforts are aimed at making sure there can be no debate. Any scientist / doctor etc willing to debate would quickly see the error in their ways or else become "much maligned", "controversial" etc (do you not see the language used by corporate media and their owners ? ). Wake up. You can see it in this interview alone though this gentleman is more careful with his words than many.

[@tamashumi7961]

@@andrewmclaren6974 careful with words, exactly. Watching you can see how much he tried to (and did) avoid "deadnaming" Elliott Page, and without doing so one needs to go in clumsy circles to explain the context. Luckily the host was less hesitant and just said it.

[@Economics21st]

Exactly. As far as I know, Malone and McCullough would be happy to be debated by people with opposing viewpoints, but none of them will. The fault is with (i) those people who refuse to debate, and (ii) those media who don't challenge the "official" point of view. Science is not a body of knowledge, but a process of weeding out wrong claims, and it can only happen when those claims are allowed to be challenged. I wasn't impressed at all by Fuller in this interview. I think the only valid point that he made was that alternative media need to be prepared to challenge their audiences' beliefs. What he forgot to mention is that traditional media need to do the same, and that part of the popularity of alternative media _is_ the challenge of considering alternative perspectives and assessing their strengths and weaknesses. Joe Rogan, in particular, thoroughly explores his guests' claims, and he does challenge them (for example, picking up McCullough on his claim that you can't get Covid twice). Jordan Peterson has pointed out that his approach is fundamentally truthful, and is what makes him so popular. By the way, did anyone else think that Fuller was going to say 'order' instead of 'view' just after 42:36?

[@joevolcano6720]

"He steered more and more to tickling the funny bone of the right" Let me stop you there - when one side lies and constantly attacks you without any justification or accountability and the other side wants to hear more from you, then how on earth do you see this as choosing one side over the other? Speaking of nuance and responsibility, this guy interviewed here seems to have missed the whole point of JPB.

[@orsoncart802]

Agreed. 👍 BTW it’s JBP. Not JPB, who even more “ahhhsome”. 😁

[@nellywolf8908]

Exactly, Joe. Can’t believe they let him talk about this topic. It’s clear he doesn’t know anything.

[@misael8707]

Exactly, he was attacked for his synthesizing form by one side. Like this guy says its a war. When a neutral party is attacked it can't stay neutral forever and survive.

[@ThePdeHav]

Agreed

[@themountain3461]

Better yet - whoever boils everything in society down to two sides is wrong. That includes JBP if he ever does it

[@kennethklein6213]

You have articulated what I have been feeling for several months. It greatly saddens me, a hope that disappoints. I pray that he will refocused his attention and devote his energies to issues of eternal significance. The culture wars will not last. They do not have any foundation that will allow these issue’s permanence. I pray he will reconsider, focusing his efforts on what is eternal. When I was young everything appeared to matter. Now that my death draws closer all of my concerns focused on those issues has proven nothing but chasing the wind. Please, tell us what the world will need to know decades upon decade.

[@ellantblideschaft3762]

Right on Sir. (Enjoy the Afterlife)

[@danielwalley6554]

If someone with deep and nuanced ideas has concluded it's time to stand against something... it either means he's lost his center, OR the thing in question is bad enough that such a person sees it as reprehensible, OR a little bit of both. And that's food for thought.

[@hallelujah88]

It means he knows who his paying subscribers are and who he needs to keep titillating. Yawn.

[@pesmaxipes1271]

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[@pesmaxipes1271]

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[@ThePdeHav]

Agreed

[@martinzarathustra8604]

Or you are just captured by your side of the political divide and are totally blind to your own incompetence.

[@zoomtulips6039]

To suggest that JP is being more radical because of the criticism he has received is to miss the truth. If you don’t understand what is at stake in Canada, you might think this way.

[@markadams99]

Not only Canada.

[@zoomtulips6039]

@bongo bobby ……And sometimes people with intellectual prowess get trapped in their own mental constructs.

[@biteme8905]

I watched this guy years ago make this same argument, he is only showcasing his weakness. Jordan is taking on child mutilators and totalitarians, I am failing to see the problem here

[@Eric-tj3tg]

And generalized anxiety, for which JP took Clonazepam, is indicative of repressed/suppressed other emotions, such as anger and sadness. The Clonazepam created, for a time, a more peaceful JP. Coming off that drug is brutal, if it doesn't kill you, and, the feelings that were present but unconscious come roaring back. JP is a smart and insightful man, but one cannot think their way out of feelings, effectively. Feelings are in the body, and JP, like many intellectuals, adapted by living there. It is an adaptation made early. I don't know what he's now taking, but you can be assured that as he "angers", and manages to do so without saying/doing anything too harmful to himself or others, his anxiety will lessen, and his ability to manage (which in our crazy culture(s) looks like a poker face) his anger, which for me has always been "right there", will noticeably lessen. I agree that not mentioning this is unfair. In all honesty, if I hadn't the experience, and thus researched "getting off Clonazepam", and read the horrors, and learned of what it does to the GABA system, the long-term effects, I'd have thought it an "excuse." Another walk in another's shoes should be teaching this slow soul, that we just don't know what's happened to, what's happening with another without getting to know them, and perhaps finding the commonalities to enhance compassion and perhaps empathy. I've tired, for the most part, of how clever intellectuals wrestle over increasingly reductionistic concepts and theories.

[@chriskenney4377]

Yup!

[@scillyautomatic]

I'm glad you had David Fuller on your show. I had not "hurd" of him before. And now I won't waste time following him. Thx!

[@analuizakelly3610]

Lol 😂

[@karynwith-a-y6686]

👍👍👍

[@mandyo9690]

Jordan Peterson is a person of great intelligence, wisdom and common sense. He is, as am I, and many people, getting extremely angered by today's irrational , overbearing, and ideological world. This neither right or left wing, it is again, common sense.

[@friarnewborg9213]

JDP has found the TRUTH and decided to embrace it

[@Greg400]

Jordan Peterson is a lot of good things but he is not a champion of common sense.

[@meownover1973]

He is not left wing, he's very clearly on the side of the right.

[@friarnewborg9213]

@@meownover1973 NOPE. He is on the side of the Truth. Leftwingers believe in so many DELUSIONAL fantasies. Proof: they cannot even tell you what a Woman is.

[@meownover1973]

@@friarnewborg9213 it's established by the American Psychological Association that transgenderism is a real thing and transwomen are categorically women.

[@januk525]

You have to understand that peterson understands the danger we are in.

[@nicolejegathesan7056]

Totally agree with you here, Jan. He's an expert in the past evils of communism/ totalitarianism and he sees a mostly unsuspecting present world falling victim to these very same ideology disguised as woke ideals of tolerance and compassion.

[@johnjacob5990]

Which is why he sucks up to Orban and Putin

[@BraveNewWorldAH]

The danger of more far right mass shootings?

[@horseman3222]

Maybe. But as someone who was preaching about responsiblity, importance of clarity in communication etc. we should hold him to a bit higher standards. In videos Fuller is talking about he was clearly unhinged.

[@michaelrose2443]

yep. and it is clear that this guy does not.

[@renzomatunogz556]

im with jordan p. what happens these days when people just try to use common sense, you already come across as an angry far-right extremist. jp or anyone who was able to preserve their sanity will not “baby” bad ideas and absurdities. trying to understand trudeaunt and his madness is one of them

[@sunnyla2835]

Agree wholeheartedly, and I’m not at all a Jordan Peterson fan, but readily acknowledge he’s speaking to a whole host of people who’ve been ignored!

[@Geezerelli]

Trudeau? Far right? Or in league with China? More Communistic!

[@renzomatunogz556]

@@Geezerelli he’s obv far-left - apple doesnt fall far fr the tree

[@LivingSpiritDesign]

once people realise there's no arguing their absurd logic, they don't want to listen or debate in good honesty and faith then what? You have to take a stand. Not just sit back and "let's have a conversation" ....... but actually get radical and stop sitting on a fence. Don't bring feelings to a data fight kinda battle.

[@Badtastemamma]

Absolutely with you... 👍👍

[@chriskenney4377]

David Fuller has consistently ignored or had a blind eye to the real conflicts in the "culture war". I would be interested in what side he picks when the time comes. Freddie Sayers: Very good presence in the interview - much impressed and appreciative.

[@gl2796]

Well said Chris!

[@literatious308]

When Fuller viciously attacked Bret Weinstein roughly a year ago, his credibility evaporated. This is not what intellectual friends do. He's now repeating his holier than thou attitude toward Peterson. Sniffing his own farts comes to mind.

[@Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019]

dont forget the chyna, russia, Qatar interference via social media. lets not forget that organized money want you focused on something else as well.

[@dannnnydannnn5201]

@@literatious308 how did he viciously attack Weinstein? His criticisms are valid in my opinion. Bret made some outrageous claims and made some incredibly arrogant statements that turned out to be false. He refuses to have anyone qualified to refute his claims from an opposing viewpoint on his podcast and he’s doing his audience a huge disservice in doing so.

[@aristotleolympiada4540]

@@dannnnydannnn5201 Turned out to be false according to who? Proof is in the pudding, try these cheap meds and see what they do to you. Then formulate a POV.

[@petersheville9339]

I have followed JP for 7 years now. He often says you need to be able harness the monster in difficult times. JP as a man who has studied totalitarianism has seen his predictions over the years manifesting in the world. Clearly he sees he has a responsibility to stand up.

[@AnemosFPV]

Yes people are blind to what is happening to the west. It’s failings in front of us.

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

He doesn’t have academic qualifications on totalitarianism.

[@extremesplash81]

@@Coastpsych_fi99 So? Who does?

[@aarondavis8943]

Platitudes. So you like him. We get it. The problem is, he has jettisoned what made him different and powerful, and has become like everyone else. Vitriolic, angry and egotistical. A true ideologue. He couldn't take it anymore and h embraced his emotions because he has a weak character.

[@janglandis773]

Please provided examples of his predictions over the years manifesting in the world. When exactly were these predictions made--evidence please--and how exactly did they come true. So now he considers himself a prophet!? Next he'll be saying he's god. He is a narcissistic charlatan of the highest order. Wake up people. He once tried to buy a church in Canada so he could pontificate from the pulpit. The arrogance!

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Jordan Peterson realized how deep the schisms of the culture war really are and feels the weight of his role

[@GQ2593]

Bingo.

[@freedomfreedom6544]

JP realized that he better stfu or his meds will make him crazy and his wife will get cancer.

[@j94c]

and so decided to don a pinstripe suit and film an aggressive spiteful diatribe in a well lit studio... That'll really solve the culture war.

[@hittitecharioteer]

Perfectly said 👏🏻

[@lizmarsden4417]

@j49c. The charge of stoking up the culture wars and thus increasing polarisation is bizarre. The activist lobby has so far succeeded to the point of implementing their ideas. They have been ruthlessly successful in silencing their opponents up till now by labelling them as far right bigots. Now that camp is filling up with the likes of JK Rowling it's a less effective move. To accuse people who fight back of polarising the situation is like blaming anyone who opposes an invading army of aggression.

[@tubedore]

Jordan Peterson apart from being a brilliant mind, has courage. The quality that has become rare nowadays. It’s necessary when you align your actions with your values.

[@ThePdeHav]

Yes, he shows up the David Fullers’ of this world to be nothing more than milquetoast fence sitters with an unctuous line in handwringing.

[@simonbrownbridge9919]

It seems the rebel wisdom guy has now become mainstream wisdom. I seem to remember one of his shows supporting covid jabs all round...Not a lot of wisdom in following propaganda but that's his right. Covid and the collapse of social and economic values have driven many to choose a side and hopefully the more truthful side. I think that's JP 's and Russel Brands stance now.

[@claremilei173]

@@simonbrownbridge9919 absolutely as soon as this Fuller chap promoted the covid jab I stopped listening to his Rebel Wisdom. I wonder if he'll ever admit he was wrong!

[@lovesees4320]

JP is Brave But he is not a brilliant mind... He's a good university lecturer, whether you agree with his stance or not. He is academically & intellectually bright But Brilliant...?!? He is a Brilliant Speaker But his actual ideas are more dressing than content & we have no evidence for how positive the outcomes are. Much like the Jab.🤭 But yes he is Standing Up against the CULTural conditioning of this crazy moment But only in favour of the CULTural conditioning of the past. The very same BS that got Us Here in the First Place.... Western Capitalist Democracy has failed We need somit new that Serves the People & the Planet 🌎❤️ In my Humble🕊️

[@tubedore]

@@lovesees4320 “Western Capitalist Democracy has failed” in your opinion. I am from the former USSR and I know the depth of socialism failure. Nobody is trying to get immigrated to Russia still and somehow there’s a long line of people coming here. They vote with their feet. I agree with you on jabs. “ but only in favor of the cultural conditioning of the past.” Culture is a compounded pattern of survival of people for thousands of years. Has to always be renewed and saved from corruption. Very C. G. Jungian idea too. JP is proponent of renewal also. “ We need something new that serves the people & the planet.” What is something new, I wonder? Does it have to come from someone like WEF? To make me fulfilled? Who is the agency? People or some smart, benevolent caring government, which I don’t believe exist.? You have to watch out for anybody in power- remember, power corrupts…. Especially, socialists and communists love authoritarian style (from my experience). IMHO.

[@kaiserchief9319]

What happened to him? He's acting on his mandate which is taking responsibility. Jordan realises the war at hand and he's picked his weapon of choice: common sense.

[@hughmann9097]

I agree with David - Jordan has lost his mind. He attracted many people because of his ability to synthesize complex topics. Now he's just a typical angry right winger stereo type. Sad.

[@rodpanhard]

@@hughmann9097 Everyone should be angry nowadays given everything they are being put through. People always bang on about the dangers of the "extreme right" and they are continually put up as a boogeyman but in reality there are hardly any of them and they hold no positions of power. The extreme left on the other hand have infiltrated everything and hold power in places of education, religion, politics, both corporate and social media and they get to frame the narrative and set the agenda. The rights problem is they are not angry enough about what's happening to erode decent society, something they want to conserve.

[@gedofgont1006]

You said it right: war. Not a culture war, just war.

[@fs960]

@@hughmann9097 Yes and the Left are so calm, reasonable, decent, deep-thinking, measured and nuanced.

[@ThePdeHav]

Yes. This is exactly the situation

[@gabriellevillecourt5777]

David Fuller needs to realize that the last 2 years have changed a lot of people including Jordan Peterson. No one is static, everyone changes. Yes Peterson is angry like a lot of Canadians and he is able to give a voice to all those who are angry with what is happening. To me it looks like that you are unable to accept that people change and you want them to stay static.

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

But I’d helping or not.

[@Linny95]

The argument is his actions have contradicted what he championed in the past, like seeing things from both sides, not using dehumanising language, etc So if the change is JP becoming a right wing culture warrior then fine, but be honest that’s what he has become

[@G_Ozare]

🎯

[@matweb8195]

The wheels are falling off the fucking bus, can hardly blame Peterson for "getting angry".

[@gedofgont1006]

At least it's an electric bus. 😎

[@raspberrytreacle]

True

[@anonnymous4684]

Peterson is on that bus too, though. He may be a 'distuptor', but he's still enjoying the ride. And his supporters are paying for it too. Nice grift if you can get it!

[@siyaindagulag.]

He has one hellof a lug- wrench. His peers stand ready with lifting jack and repair kit Even a few comedians to pump the tires back up . ....so if the wheels be fallin off the fuckin bus, I'd want him on the pit- crew.

[@rezzob]

As someone that is not into Jordan Peterson, he doesn’t owe you anything mate. If you think there is something to mythologize you go and do it. What do you expect him to do it for you?

[@MaterialSquid]

totally agree Rez, the rebel Wisdom youtube channel rose on the coat tails of Jordan Peterson success ( that glitch in the matrix video is a good one though), and theres alot of good and interesting content on RW channel, but now that RW is shutting shop and David Fuller moving on, this reeks of attention seeking.

[@jaymarshall845]

Well said

[@freedomfreedom6544]

As a JP fan I expected him to follow his own advice and not resort to drugs when things get tough. I’m sure JP wouldn’t consider the “meds” he got prescribed drugs but I do. Ironically he never said anything against the cannabis conspiracy that most of our intellectuals championed.

[@j94c]

Who said he owes anyone? What an unhelpful comment, and very symbolic of the breakdown of nuanced discussion which David was touching on in this interview.

[@NuvoVision]

@@freedomfreedom6544 I kinda feel you on this one...but Remember why he was in that situation...his wife and daughters health prognosis were very, very ominous...and rather than sink into drinking, etc...he asked for professional help (don't get me started on how little I think of psychiatry and medications....). He then got addicted (as you do) and got himself off of everything. ...he was not abusing them for escape- keep in mind, just relief. He's human. He did the best he could given the obstacles. I bet you he learned his lesson tho!

[@stvbrsn]

What happened to Jordan Peterson? Nothing happened to him and his core tenets. What happened is: the world of clashing ideas (and ideologies) reconfigured itself around him. Edit: no David. He didn’t pick a side. The side picked him (all I’m doing is restating the above, using the terms you chose, DF)

[@maytheforcebewithyou2701]

By picking a side, he lost his. His side was not one of the "sides".

[@wayneveitch8325]

Elliot Page? I see you picked a side!!!

[@user-hn9qw7ou8d]

This is the correct take

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

His handlers keep him drugged like Marilyn Monroe then wheel him out whenever there's an opportunity to make money. It's all become an act - the book deals, the stadium tours, he's a show pony turning tricks. He's terrified of becoming an irrelevant old man so he always has to up the shock value to stay noticed.

[@graemejack9040]

I'm a huge Jordan Peterson fan and his book and lectures really helped me get myself through some very tough times. I have noticed a change in him since he returned from his illness. He certainly seems very resentful at the moment. Perhaps he's just been pushed too far

[@Biggiiful]

His return, also coincided with the world experimenting with authoritarianism and woke leftist ideology springing forth like never before. Its not like he's reacting to nothing

[@kburns2470]

He's speaking to the horror many of us feel at what's happening to our country (Canada) and the rest of the world.

[@graemejack9040]

@@kburns2470 yeah I totally agree with you and it's frightening what's happening in Canada. I'm Scottish and its horrifying what's happening in my country too. Our SNP government has introduced new guidelines in schools where children as young as 4 are asked to decide what they want their gender to be and are then free to use whichever toilets, changing facilities they choose etc regardless of how other children feel about it. The really sinister thing is that school teachers and staff are under no obligation to inform the child's parents about anything and in some cases reported they were actively encouraged to prevent parents from finding out! New legislation here also requires police, nurses, doctors and other medical staff to treat every person according to their chosen gender despite any dangers that may arise from doing so! The new hate speech legislation here is ambiguous at best. It doesn't clearly define what exactly constitutes as hate speech or who is responsible for making that definition and what guidelines they'd follow to do so. There are many examples where a person can simply decide if something said to them is hate speech or not!!! It's utterly horrifying! The Scottish government state that they are the most progressive in Europe? They, along with so so many more people ( mostly leftist, woke, young, activist types ) seem to be confused and think that change automatically equals progress! This is simply not always the case!

[@kburns2470]

@@graemejack9040 yes, we are on a similar trajectory here in Canada with regards to gender ideology. I've been worried about and debating people about that since I think around 2016 or so, the concerns around that for women and children specifically, though it affects everyone. The totalitarianism was evident then, too, but it ramped up significantly with the response to Covid. We just want our normal lives back, our human rights back. No mandates, no coercion, no bullying, no censorship and silencing. Not all Canadians understand what's happening, obviously, but some do and the majority seem to understand something is amiss, though we still have a way to go in getting them to understand how serious it is.

[@RaquelSantos-hj1mq]

His anger is righteous and entirely appropriate. He hasn't changed. The climate gas changed. He has not shifted. This David guy is clueless.

[@elllllllll]

I've enjoyed reading comments much more than watching this video, and found them more profound than Fuller's opinions too. I've only learnt about Jordan Peterson last month (yep, I've been living under the rock lol) so I'm not his core audience or anything but Jordan seems to talk a lot of sense. It's understandable why his tone has changed in the last 5 years - the world has changed! The world in 2017 and the world now are two different planets. Thanks to all of you guys for your insightful comments! 👍

[@gedofgont1006]

Just out of curiosity, can you see mine, where I refer to this being war? I've had not a single thumbs up, you see; and I know many who've commented here would agree with my bleak assessment. Thanks.

[@elllllllll]

@@gedofgont1006 I'm afraid I didn't see your comment, sometimes it takes time for a comment to be shown to more people. Hope this helps!

[@gedofgont1006]

@@elllllllll It does. Thanks very much!

[@andisalt321]

Not wanting to watch videos on KZbin all day long but still interested in the topics, I often read comments before watching videos and sometimes I decide the video isn't worth my time! I'm with Jordan Peterson and so didn't bother watching this one. I've heard enough BS in the last 2 years, not to want to hear any more.

[@gillps5130]

@@gedofgont1006 It is acknowledged by many as a war: culture war (against family, nation, church, individual) on a deeper level it is seen as a spiritual war or attack. If you know anything about the World Economic Forum, its young global leadership programne - Justin Trudeau being a graduate - and the UN, you will know that there is a war already in progress against the private ownership of land and property and agricultural production.

[@NR-rv8rz]

The problem with Fuller's position is that he is acting like the left of today are the left of years or decades ago. Peterson is reacting to the absolutely insane, vitriolic, deranged and oppressive state of today's left. So why would his discourse with and about them be the same as it was in more gentle times? Peterson's counterpoints to the left are a proportionate reaction to the great Orwellian danger they have become. Nice try Fuller but your attempt to cling to the centre, oblivious or not caring how far left the centre has moved doesn't wash. The value of being a centrist was in what values it represented at any given time, not the virtue of being a centrist for it's own, expedient sake.

[@abbasalchemist]

Well said. It's like 2 train conductors and one of them is insisting on the tracks that lead off the cliff and the other is looking to make a hard redirection away from it. David sits in the middle listening patiently and weighing both arguments with equal weight.

[@alansouthall8221]

Fuller may not deny any of that Peterson, though has become an utter basket case His mind is addled by all the drugs he was huffing, and he is one of the most mentally frail people on either side of the culture was His fans are more infatuated than one direction fans too

[@lolcat5303]

This is common with these "both sides" types. They never consider the asymmetry you mention.

[@ThePdeHav]

Agreed. David is woefully out of touch with the zeitgeist; intentionally?

[@gedofgont1006]

I like what you said. The whole political landscape has been infiltrated and subverted, by radicals on all sides. Petersen's arguments may have political ramifications, but they aren't inherently political, in any Left versus Right framing. He's concerned with ethics and how a morally unimpeachable human being should act in this world.

[@kittykat3177]

I am coming to this conversation as a traditionally left, working class female raised by a single mother in the UK and regularly consume content from David @ rebel wisdom, Freddy @ Unherd, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand and multitudes of others:) Freddy this was an exceptionally incredible interview, your questions were nuanced and really got to the subject of the matter. David I hope you talk to Jordan again, I don’t think his evolution is the complete result of social media capture as you suggest… I am sure he would have reflected on this and would welcome his insights. Personally, my world and entire world view has been totally upended In the last two years and I will never be the same again, I believe this is something worth investigating and YES there is an urgency to the rise of authoritarianism which I believe you may be missing?

[@chriskenney4377]

Well said.

[@roothogordie1451]

I think many of us have felt our world upended. I was very interested in Jordan Peterson's critique of postmodernism, loved his book Maps of Meaning. His approach to mythic truths in religion, all of that. I even bought his book "12 Rules for Life" in which he wrote, "Tell the truth, at least don't lie." I always wondered what he would comment on Donald Trump, a major world figure who demonstrated being factually challenged on many important occasions. He never had a word to say about Trump in this regard. I felt something was missing there.

[@hh5050]

Bang on!!

[@evolassunglasses4673]

I think you may enjoy KZbin channel The Duran. Best wishes.

[@januarysson5633]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Oh, that’s the show with the ex British lawyer who forged a judge’s signature, isn’t it?

[@zoekyranne5883]

17:08 David hits the nail on the head here. JBP literally turned me from a woke, angry young woman who believed in the patriarchy to a reasonable, more centred person with empathy for conservatives. He did this through his debate on the gender pay gap. At first I was so offended by him, but he won me over with reason. He was calm, stoic, to the point. I couldn’t argue with him. He was right. I just had to accept it. Accepting that truth allowed me to accept a number of other uncomfortable truths about life and human nature. I wonder if the same would have happened if Jordan conducted himself the way he conducts himself now. The old me may have seen him in his suit, in a studio supplied by Daily Wire, getting angry and shaking his finger. I would have just switched off. You gain fans from one side when you act like a shock jock. You gain respect when you act stoically.

[@nynoah]

He’s currently speaking out on brain scrambling children and marching them down the path of sterilization. I can’t believe we live in a time when people can’t see this obvious societal insanity.

[@kiwigrunt330]

I largely agree with Jordan, but yes, he has turned into an angry old man. I wonder if his recent medical predicaments have had an influence on him, or if he is putting on a show. Or perhaps the money he is now raking in is too tempting. Don't know. This is probably the most composed I've seen him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nny4l5l-jbSVbrc

[@horseman3222]

This is exacly how I feel about it. Lately he came out as really deranged. I understand his struggles etc. but as someone who preached personal responsibility, he let anger and bitterness get better of him. I also fear that his popularity has a bad influence on him.

[@Col-T-Invest]

I get what you're saying and i'd like to see him doing a little more of those older style, more empathetic interviews to round things out, but at the same time he always was very strong about certain issues and that draws in a lot of people too.

[@Biggiiful]

This is true, but also a bit of memory holing is going on here. He was plenty angry in some of his older videos. They were also accompanied by way more videos and interviews where he was calm and collected. But his anger showed at times, in certain areas. Never really out of place either. And while I understand why people are seeing him slightly differently now, I'd like to remind them that they are really only focusing on one tweet and one video. He had a conversation with Kyle Kulinski after that video, where he comes off way more calm and reasonable about that situation. And he's also not reacting to a 2017 and 2018 world anymore. A world where he was warning about authoritarianism and the left "going too far." Jordan is now reacting to 3 years of authoritarian overreach and the woke left gaining the most cultural power that they've ever had. He's seeing all of his warnings come to fruition. The man is allowed to raise his voice in one video. I think a lot of people are overreacting and forgetting a few of his older videos where he had plenty of strong stances and tempered anger displayed.

[@YeS1711]

Jordan Peterson is a person suffering with depression, despite that he didn't back down when woke mobs came for him at his workplace, pulling fire alarms, screaming and playing white noise when he tried to do any talks to clear his name when they were dragging him through the mud, the cathy newman or GQ interviews where the hosts are clearly going after him on purpose and yet he black belted them like a zen master. He always said how stressful he found those interviews, and yet he persisted. People were wishing him death when he nearly died from his benzo addiction. I mean...why not join daily wire, where at least he has a whole crew to support him and back him up instead of just him dealing with it alone? I truly believe his near death experience flipped a switch made him take a more aggressive approach. Have you seen the state of canada and the US under progressive leadership? The stuff that he warned about in 2015/16 has come to take place, so the man has to up his game. David fuller can go whistle.

[@thegeneralist7527]

Once you cheat death once nothing frightens you any longer.

[@pulmo1]

David is a weak beta male of little consequence in our ongoing culture war.

[@ThePdeHav]

Absolutely agree

[@ladyj3173]

I agree with a lot of this analysis but he was way more popular and effective before. Now he’s just preaching to the choir

[@YeS1711]

@@ladyj3173 I see what you mean, but isn't that always the trajectory? It's like with bands when they're fresh faced and up and coming there's something special about them, by the time of the 5th album critics say "oh they've become trapped in their image". Feels to me that's what Fuller is essentially saying. He wanted jordan peterson to be David Bowie instead of being Led Zeppelin (maybe my analogy is terrible but I hope you know what I'm trying to say).

[@yannikalajakis5608]

I live in the United States and I think your program is one of the most trustworthy alternative channels on the net. I appreciate how you challenge your guests with thought provoking yet respectful questions. I can always count on your program to stretch my thinking. Thank you for the service you provide in this confusing internet world.

[@paulwhetstone0473]

Well said, I agree.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

An American with genuine gratitude. American really?

[@SAMiracle306]

Freddie Sayers is such a skilled interviewer! Really like how he challenges guests on the show.

[@kathleens.laroche754]

And done in such a gentlemanly way, in which same way his guest responded. We could use a bit more of such civilized engagement on this the other side of the pond.

[@IzabelParis]

I was thinking exactly that. Sophisticated, intelligent, civilized, skilled and charming.

[@bobthecat-rh5dy]

True. Really great level headed character. But let’s not praise him too much, it may go to his head and then he becomes intellectually dead to me.

[@brianmeen2158]

Freddie is a fantastic interviewer

[@MsLickalot70]

This was very good. Agreed

[@dreamweaver4886]

The best discussion I've heard in a while. Thank you so much both of you. It's strange these days how everyone, even David, seems to focus on singular and insular practices, like self development and meditation etc to cure the ills of the world. I would say that going back to the old values of humankind, such as face to face conversations, friendliness and the need to slow down a bit are far more important.

[@schnapsix1836]

I don't see any contradiction here. Practices like meditation etc can be very helpful to slow down. Self-reflection is necessary to relate to others and to have meaningful conversations.

[@gl2796]

Jordan Peterson is one of the few people in the mainstream media who I truly admire to this day. Yes, he has changed. Yes he's angry but aren't we all angry after what we've all been through these past years?

[@biteme8905]

Jordan Peterson is just practicing more about what he has always preached. He often spoke and wrote about having the strength and integrity to challenge authoritarians, now he is just doing it in a challenging and badass way.

[@mazg4707]

So true

[@gizigus055]

Especially if you're Canadian. I am. Have you seen the state of that country right now ? The kind of laws they are trying to pass, the Trudeau government, the worst covid restrictions in western so-called democracies, the sky-rocketing cost of life and absolutely no power fighting back all that crap.. well, I can understand sometimes why he's angry. I know a lot of Canadians who feel that way right now. We feel like we had a great country that is being destroyed right now and there's nothing, absolutely nothing we can do.

[@ansielubbeprosser9072]

Excellent point!

[@jamesbarlow6423]

He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

[@elroy3421]

I’m actually glad that David Fuller is leaving Rebel Wisdom. He used JP to prop up his show and now that he’s leaving he’s kicking him to the curb. He lost all credibility when he cross examined Bret Weinstein. When the results were in favour of Bret he didn’t concede or apologize

[@LivingSpiritDesign]

indeed mate........ that drove me crazy, now the light has been shined on that topic there needed to be a comprehensive look back. Not a double down. RW was awesome in the beginning but has fallen into a hate platform of how his guests have lost their ways. ........... funny he still bangs on about BW saying IVM was 100% effective, but doesn't bring up the fact that fauci said the vax was 100% effective. LAME

[@russellsharpe288]

As I understand it, he's not so much leaving Rebel Wisdom as closing it down.

[@benhudson4014]

Yeah David " we need to have a conversation " Fuller.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

The Weinsteins are opportunistic monologists

[@bryr5768]

@@russellsharpe288 clearly wasn't making enough cash off it, ridiculous business model and concept

[@mloney9772]

At this point, how would anyone appeal to “both sides” as you say? Peterson’s message hasn’t changed nor would I expect it to change. If Jordan is anything he seems to be an honest person who says what he believes. Jordan doesn’t appeal to conservatives. Conservatives are drawn to him because he believes in freedom despite the risk of being offensive. And for the same reason the Left have always hated him. Jordan has the courage to speak his mind, and no one who does that will appeal to everyone.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

The Left doesn't hate him "because he believes in freedom." He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

[@mloney9772]

@@jamesbarlow6423 as you say it was likely not JP. That said, in all the lectures and interviews I have seen, I have never JP be unfair. People may take offense for what he says but if you breakdown the logic of the argument I think you will find his opponents are being unfair holding him to standards that they neither hold or even attempt themselves.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

@@mloney9772 . I hold to my standards too, and nowadays I'm not so sure it wasn't him. The morally indignant frequently can't tell who is on their side and who is not.

[@mloney9772]

@@jamesbarlow6423 I am glad to hear you hold to your standards. Hopefully you didn’t think I had said otherwise. Indignation has a haute, ignorant connotation. I am curious which, of JP’s comments were indignant, persnickety, or unfair.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

@@mloney9772 . The one he made to me, as I wrote in here

[@muskratdove]

I've been a fan of Peterson since 2016 and am Canadian. While I feel he has become more strident - Is it Passion or Performance. As a frightened ageing Canadian, he is reflecting my fears, and the difficult of simply expressing an opinion, rightly or wrongly. He is amplifying the problem, possibly to shock Canadians out of our political complacency. It's a national malaise, decades long. I don't have to agree with everything Dr. Peterson says, but I support his right to have an opinion, however harshly stated. His call is to Wake UP!

[@HelenA-fd8vl]

I wonder if his being on a 100% meat diet has had any effect on him. (Just to clarify, I eat meat regularly. Vegetarianism doesn’t appeal to me in any way.

[@rugbyguy59]

Peterson is simply wrong and his misrepresentation of the real issues is simply disgusting. Those with power pretending they are the victims. From C-16 on he's been making claims about things he doesn't understand

[@muskratdove]

@@rugbyguy59 lol, and you do?

[@rugbyguy59]

@@muskratdove Understand all the things? No, but when you listen to.prople who.do understand Bill C-16, Marxism, Postmodernism, gender pay gap, lobsters, dominance heirarchy, etc, etc you just see how wrong he is. You don't have to fully understand a topic to see when someone else is obviously wrong.

[@muskratdove]

@@rugbyguy59 It's funny, because I have been listening, but simply drew a different conclusion than you did. He is a lot more right than wrong. Please save your disgust for the ones who are actually manipulating you.

[@sonofabear]

I like the new version of Jordan Peterson! He taking on the WEF and the great reset

[@nickbrennan3389]

Yes...he was silent during the early stages of the covid lunacy, but he has come good

[@Jaapst]

@@nickbrennan3389 he is vaccinated…

[@dave9547]

@@Jaapst so what, he's still doing more to expose the lunacy than any of us ever will. Be grateful.

[@Jaapst]

@@dave9547 yeah but he fell into the trap i dont have respect for that especially someone like JP. I dont like him anymore

[@dave9547]

@@Jaapst so youre against vaccinated people? Regardless of whether theyre against mandates and lockdowns? Why?

[@r1bew42]

There comes a time when gentle negotiation or discussion ends. We are very near to that time. David Fuller would be the first of the people loaded on to the Cattle Carts, whimpering. Jordan understands how close we are to complete collapse as do I. The time for discussion is sadly ending.

[@TheYknuf]

I share the same feeling. I hope we are wrong.

[@stellabryan3734]

I completely agree with you. If a person is in hysterics, there is no point just whispering to them. You have to slap them around the face so they snap out of it. That is the place we are now in with this very Orwellian agenda.

[@biteme8905]

Jordan is forcefully speaking up about child mutilation and the rise of the authoritarian left, especially in Canada. I am failing to see where the problem is

[@gillps5130]

Absolutely agree.

[@agatanakonieczny2213]

Peterson knows more about brutal history of communism/totalitarism and he is aware of its "beginnings". Moreover, if you do not express anger when you are angry, you usually become depressed. I always thought that he needs to get FINALLY angry (to show it) to stop being depressed. I think for him now it is better to be angry and active than depressed and weak. At the same time, I watch him less. I enjoyed his analysis more.

[@Oo27254]

It's actually rather pathetic when you acknowledge that Rebel Wisdom came to life off of Jordan Peterson's name and now all of a sudden David Fuller feels the need to distance himself. On top of that Jordan Peterson hasn't even changed his fundamental message on anything during this time.

[@what.if.youre.wrong...]

Boom, right there, hence why I stopped watching Rebel Wisdom

[@johnbuckner2828]

I hear what you’re saying but I kind of disagree; if David really feels JP is being pulled into an echo chamber by audience capture, it would be pretty disingenuous & grifty to continue riding the JP phenomenon for views or money… if David’s goal is peace and synthesis rather than picking a side & fighting with a team in the culture war.

[@nathanliteroy9835]

But he did change, and he did change his expressed views

[@Oo27254]

@@nathanliteroy9835 If his views have changed then give some actual examples.

[@nathanliteroy9835]

@@Oo27254 The tweet about Elliot Page? He was ok with being transexual before.

[@meganjperry9489]

Jordan has said on a few occasions in the past, he asks his wife to keep an eye on him now and then to make sure he doesn't go too far. He openly admits he can do that, cant we all when pushed enough. Weather he has gone to far yet I'm not sure, but I do have reservations like David. In the last few weeks in particular, I have started to think he is beginning to get more pointed, bordering on aggressive with his language & demeanour. Most noticeable examples of that are his recent appearances in the Daily Wire, which he has now joined forces with. Personally I think that will end up being a mistake, I don't think he needed to do that, he was doing just fine using his finely tuned linguistic skills and academic background. I prefer the Jordan who holds a deep & meaningful conversation, whilst remaining composed and winning his position through dialogue, not drama. The Daily wire with it's Black & White background and camera angles to portray Jordan as man not to be messed with (bit like the men in black :) ), accompanied by synchronised short bursts of music as it zooms in, followed by Jordans short very to the point message about physicians butchering our kids in the name of compassion for those who feel born in the wrong body, is really not helpful at all, even if he has a point. Shock tactics can be very effective I know, but I just don't like that style of discourse. He doesn't need to do that. That said, I continue to follow him with admiration and never tire of his conversations, but silently hope he doesn't go down the Rabbit hole of toxic words designed to sow the seeds of division, to avoid that, he would do well to note how Jesus spoke, whose words and meanings behind them were clear, truth and wisdom without reverting to emotionally charged language and pointing fingers.

[@the_0ther_0ne_59]

From my point of view, Dr. JP has calibrated his attitude according to the evolution of the power grabbing around the world, especially in Canada, according to the confirmation that he recieved from the public and so many other things that changed. We need people to be different, to act differently. One Russel Brand is enough. We also need a Dr. JP. I appreciate the balanced attitude of the host. In return, the guest is definitely tilted towards the approved authorities and towards the approved/ official narative and plan.

[@nicolejegathesan7056]

Well said! Especially that observation of our cowardly guest's inclination

[@gillps5130]

A great comment

[@saintdominicreview]

@@nicolejegathesan7056 Yeah, just the guest's shirt tells me all I need to know about him, Another weak man, in love with the sound of his own voice...

[@ktex4873]

Peterson grew balls. Maybe this isn't about politics, but about right and wrong. I'm proud of him for feeling confident enough to stand for what he believes in. This guy talking in this video sounds like his feelings are hurt. Leftist

[@robertdrew6571]

The whole conversation is about this man's feelings... "I feel that...", "It seems that..."... Pathetic. The only genuine concern is his support is being astroturfed with crazy on social engineering sites. Still, a straw man.

[@MrWallinor]

I have been around since day one when rebel wisdom started (dont like using the word wisdom when what he is doing is the opposit of the true meaning the word wisdom) And yes he is a massive woke leftist. He is a globalist and love multicultural societys. His channel is packed with "those we can not name" pushing their agenda 2030, NWO etc in a plethora of ways. He is a total nobody compared to Jordan Peterson. Tbh this David Fuller is sooo fu.. arrogant, and it makes me furious. He is the true narcissist personified. The only reason i stay on that channel ond many other channels like his is to gather info and se how they work. Observating, listen and reading up on and about his guest etc.

[@celiacresswell6909]

I don’t think growing balls in the middle of a gender dysphoria debate is very helpful.😐

[@MrWallinor]

@@celiacresswell6909 Was it a debate about gender dysphoria? Has the phenomenon of gender dysphoria always been as evident as it is these days. Or is there something in society that has in some progressive way caused this insanity to increase? Maby im missing your joke here..

[@celiacresswell6909]

@@MrWallinor yeah probably not a very good joke - sorry!

[@amygolds2435]

A person like Jordan Peterson can’t stay sitting on the sidelines and not fighting for society. Especially with how things have changed. I love that man! So this opinion means nothing when you realize the left has lost their mind.

[@presterjohn1697]

...throw us a few points that demonstrate how the left has lost its mind.

[@janglandis773]

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

[@tmssp]

Strange? Can't see the replies

[@Valentine-xr3ic]

Agree he can’t stay on the sidelines, but his righteous indignation just feels more like vitriol these days.

[@randyevans7235]

That’s exactly right Ms. Golds. Fence sitting is how we got into this horrid mess to begin with.

[@zanizone3617]

Honestly, I think his terrible health problems are the reason of this change. That level of illness and suffering can bring out a lot of anger. I think his rational calm and detached intellectual demeanor were easier to him to maintain as long as his _experience_ of suffering in his life was something manageable. He now has experienced a level of pain that he probably didn't even think was possible. He had certainly seen it in his clinical practice, but experiencing it first hand is another beast entirely. Him losing his coolness and now lashing out isn't surprising.

[@willfareed3826]

good point.

[@gandydancer9710]

I'm glad it woke him up if that's what did it.

[@juliettailor1616]

I've never seen Jordan Peterson, before or after his illness and near death, loose his cool or lash out and he has been so disgustingly attacked by so many far, far beneath him intellectually that it really took superhuman control not to strike back. I do see less of a detached demeanor but I wouldn't be surprised if to learn that he suffered brain damage from the Clonezepan hell and near death he went through. The writer Robert Greene suffered a stroke and says he has trouble controlling his anger now.

[@vincentvangogh8092]

no he just stepped out of his lane for dollars

[@gat2asp919]

He was also on massive amounts of benzoz

[@ekrukowskabinczyk]

I loved the questions Freddy asked in this interview. Love UnHerd .

[@BagOfEyebrows]

came here to say that, saw you already said it :)

[@alexlongman5053]

He is the stand out interviewer of his generation.

[@kelloggs7447]

Yes- Freddy is a true journalist-teasing out the info without taking sides-a rare talent in this day and age.

[@usefulcontent9894]

I'm with Peterson. Never heard of David Fuller, but he sounds like a 'useful idiot'. Fuller is someone who will happily usher in the misery that is authoritarianism and still say he was correct when proven wrong.

[@no-one-knows321]

Yes, time for empathy and comprising has passed.

[@Vgallo]

lol fuller is part of the reason Peters became so famous, you musnt be a long time Peterson follower

[@usefulcontent9894]

@@Vgallo You are correct. I no longer listen to anything Peterson has to say. I would say why but I'm not allowed to which is why I don't listen to him.

[@Vgallo]

@@usefulcontent9894 so David fuller was right then? And your comment was rash? I also don’t listen to Peterson anymore, he’s become the ideologue he warned everyone against, basically everything David fuller says here was spot on and yet look at the comment section, it’s full of triggered culture warriors who are totally blind to Peterson’s corruption. I don’t understand why you can’t say you don’t listen to him anymore

[@cesarx4133]

What the world needs right now is MORE Jordan Petersons, not more fragile fearful woke "pacifists". Besides, people don't want to understand, they want to BELIEVE. So, he's found his formula and his market. That is AWESOME!!

[@rpierce0419]

Or what is worse, the non-Woke yet still pacifist against "the Hun" that is currently besieging the "Rome" that is our Western Enlightenment values

[@TheMarsCydonia]

I do not see how the world would benefit from more fragile, weak, self-righteous narcissists.

[@mariamurmis4915]

I am so thankful for this interview. I have been feeling uncomfortable with the changes in Jordan Peterson. This explains it so well and also spells out clearly his valuable contributions.

[@Uriel-Septim.]

Same here, as his sickness have made a changes (no wonder) but after joining Daily Wire he have become something els, a different animal, I´m just glad that I try to stay away from idolizing people and follow them and instead try to listen to ideas. Follow Ideas Not Men: ★ If a person had done an extra ordinary achievement and helped most of the people , we come to a conclusion that he is good and we can follow whatever he says. ★ This is the Cognitive bias - a systematic error in thinking. ★ We think that a sample taken from a enormous quantity is same as that of others surrounding that sample. ★ This is the problem of sampling. eg : a kind of thought that a sample of rice taken from a rice bag is same as that of the other rice samples present in that same bag. But the truth is that all the rice samples in the bag may not same. ★ When we realize that the person whom we followed had done a bad thing ; we would get struck into the halo effect. ★ Halo effect is the tendency to judge a person based on a previously formed favorable or unfavorable impression. ★ At this point we would come to a cognitive bias that whatever good things he had contributed to the society is meaningless and his achievements are meaningless. ★ The identity of that person makes us blind from observing his good thoughts and ideas. Here that person is not the loser but we are the losers. ★ The solution is Don’t Worship Men if you like their ideas . Think about their Ideas and fit those ideas into your life if those ideas made sense to you.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

You are becoming the kind of person that Peterson warned about, unable to see someone as multifaceted and nuanced. Peterson has always been the same person, he just expresses more of his own personality these days. You were ok listening to him while he was essentially lecturing saying things you agreed with but now he's often commenting on more contentious topics you are not 'comfortable' with it.

[@Musicdudeyoutub]

Peterson put his foot down on the trans issue. He clearly states that gender exists on a spectrum, but it is irrational to be offended by someone who will only refer to you as your biological sex, because men are men, and women are women. We shouldn't be pretending that someone's FANTASY IS REALITY

[@SteveC-Shaman]

I feel even stronger about "furries." I refuse to be drawn into their weird fantasy. Sorry, not sorry.

[@josharmstrong2476]

Yes, but then he expects people to grant respect to people's religious fantasies. Blatant double standard. And that's the problem. Peterson is simultaneously inconsistent on how we treat cherished belief AND he's aggressive about it. You guys are letting your biases get in the way same as Peterson. I deplore all irrational belief systems equally, and I understand their necessity equally. Why can't Dr.Peterson do the same?

[@Musicdudeyoutub]

@@josharmstrong2476 He doesn't expect anything from anyone. It sounds like you are upset with Peterson's work because his thoughts about religion differ from yours.

[@adampagorski4062]

The reason Dr Peterson has decided to pick a side is because there comes a time when there is a clear line between right and wrong.

[@janglandis773]

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

[@vincentr8704]

Yep. If your harmless your useless

[@robertholland7558]

Sadly there no longer is a “right”. Everything is a lie these days, everything is wrong.

[@willardmusick1187]

Bingo!

[@randyevans7235]

Here Here!

[@roseannatyrrell4498]

When half the knowledge is hidden to suit corporate greed there is definitely a need for people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson to balance out the facts and weed out the lies the world is being fed.

[@miranaradivojevic469]

Yes indeed.

[@Bradley9967]

Would he have the same issue with joe rogan.

[@roseannatyrrell4498]

@@Bradley9967 probably yes, - with anyone who is not spouting the crap the regular *media/propaganda are spouting

[@lovesees4320]

👏👏👏 Exactly

[@chriskenney4377]

Yup!

[@arnaldobellucci9033]

JPM did not pick a side, he was always on the common sense side, and this is what people like about him, criticizing him about it is pure bad faith.

[@geoded]

There is no "centre ground" when you're talking about people castrating and mutilating children

[@sheRoyals]

100% THIS!! We have strayed so far from sanity at this point if you don't have some righteous anger, I doubt your pulse!

[@barbarasherman4870]

Exactly!

[@foolfether]

I'd go further and say JP is not radical enough. When he talked to D Rubin on gay parenting, I just couldn't stand it. So, let me put it this way: there should be radicalization when talking about damaging children.

[@plrt6794]

@@foolfether. Like indoctrinating children with religion?

[@philgarrett1981]

Freddie nails it; (paraphrasing) why bring a mainstream narrative (which we all know) into alternative media? In essence it exists to challenge.

[@GGTutor1]

Not only that, but the mainstream has done this for decades. Put two opposing views on that seem to represent both sides for the viewer to make an informed decision. This is, of course, not what happens nor is it their real intent. They just want to frame the debate and will not allow views that they want promoted to actually be challenged. Any genuine challenge to the orthodox view will never be shown, this is the very reason that alternative media arose. I would far rather have a single view be fully developed and argued and then I can find the opposing view myself. The responsibility of a citizen is to make their own informed decision and to seek out diverse views and sources of information to do that. Fuller is not advocating that, he wants to frame the debate, just as the MSM that he came from does.

[@dancroitoru364]

Only that Freddie has his biases as clear as his white shirt: pro Ukr Nazis, pro "intersectional" harmony (radical fems and radical trans should live together in harmony making films for the Reich's culture ministry), anti Russian, etc. The rest is all buffoonery (hands waiving like "look at me how stiff I am") and fashion show

[@grannyannie2948]

Yes it is extremely patronising to think we are incapable of finding alternative views for ourselves. The mainstream shows us what they want us to believe. Alternative views are exactly that.

[@ash9058]

It’s the alternative part of ‘alternative media’ that gives you the opportunity to hear the views and arguments being put forward which oppose the narrative being fed to you by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, BBC or here in Australia the ABC.

[@philsandele]

Agreed. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to hear both views at the same time. The exchange, the conflict even, of ideas is what is so interesting. Maybe that is what Fuller is alluding to. This requires a format where there is enough time for the arguments and counter arguments of both side to be developed. Because of the time limits in MSM, you never get such in depth, prolonged exchanges. But neither will you get this in alternative media, when only one view point is presented at a time.

[@kerrygold6494]

When David Fuller says " we're literally in a situation now where we don't understand each other, we don't even understand how people can think the way that they think". For me David Fuller dropped the ball with that statement, it's is easy for me to understand how some people around me think, most people I know are busy people, they go to work and then deal with their kids each day after work. They do not watch KZbin or any other alternative media, they watch the local news or read the headline news on their phone and call it a day. So when it came to something as big as Covid for example, they only heard one side of the argument.

[@gillps5130]

I understand that but when I have said to younger people, I know you don't have time but I do so will you listen to me, they won't.

[@bryncannon4279]

Exactly. When he was saying that, I was thinking “those in power don’t understand the rest of us, and don’t want to, while the rest of us completely understand both sides: our own largely censored view, and the dominant narrative because it’s inescapable and those in power won’t shut up about it.”

[@jamesbarlow6423]

Lemmings. Civic virtue in america

[@jackdeniston6150]

Yes. This pussy is a reporter. Not an agent for change. Understanding is complete, now it is time to say, and demonstrate, 'you are wrong'.

[@nattyswede]

Yeah. What Fuller needs to do is be the change he wants to see. For example, why didn't he host Bret Weinstein AND someone with an opposing view on Rebel Wisdom? What he did do was host them separately and try to come to some conclusion as who was right. To me, it is on the incumbent media (MSM) to be unbiased and present different perspectives. That is what I expect from them. In that regard, the mainstream is failing us badly.

[@jerrybennett6034]

It ain't about you Freddie! You are arguing how Dr Peterson describes how women argue, through reputation assassination and everything being centered around your feelings. Jordan Peterson sees a catastrophy coming and is trying everything within his power to stop or minimize that catastrophy. And what are you trying to do about the state of things? Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way!

[@nikk3251]

Thank you for having him on, Fredfie. It's an interesting conversation and I wanted to listen to the end 🤔 But I concluded this guy (I'd never heard of him!) will sink without a trace. Whereas I applaud your 'benefit of the doubt' devil's advocate approach 🙂

[@raytracy5906]

David Fuller's cry for nuance in a conversation that no longer exist due to cancellations.

[@ThePdeHav]

Only a fortnight ago Jordan Peterson gave credit to Post modernism, as he often does. He’s perhaps more angry because the world is teetering on the brink of disaster. Be interesting to see how well this interview ages.

[@thegeneralist7527]

The world is not only teetering on the brink of disaster, it is teetering on the brink of self-inflicted disaster.

[@Thomas...191]

Thats the thing, old peterson was cool under fire and "very carful aboot the words I use" now he seems to speak more out of anger. Similarly to greta thunberg, who speaks from a purely emotional place; while I dont disagree with her that we need to find solutions to climate problems, hysterical sounding rehtoric only speaks to people who are bought and sold already on your bias. The nature of politics is dialogue between a populace, something he once did more so, he no longer is attempting to integrate dialogue between opposing thought. Echo Chambers I feel, are the antithesis of what politics should be so I'll walk away from what I find less valuable.

[@thegeneralist7527]

@@Thomas...191 Only the most intelligent can be persuaded by intellect and rational argument. The others must be persuaded purely by emotion. So much for the illusion of human intelligence.

[@bluj78]

The two are not mutually exclusive. I often thought that his behaviour, according to his psychological profiling, was more right than left even though he describes his personality traits as being aligned with the left. Perhaps his "new" direction and cultural power has forced his internal hand. Perhaps he's thought, "fck it, let's go for broke". Perhaps bennifer shrimpo put enough money on the table. Perhaps he's been co opted as controlled opposition. Perhaps he always was. Truth is, we'll never know and that's why it's a good idea to never idolise another human being. We are all equalised under the concept of God and in this sense, he is being deeply contradictory. To me, it depends if you want to act like jesus with regard judas, or jesus with regard legion. Imo, the second choice is not available to a humble human, only a human consumed by hubris.

[@sjofas]

@@bluj78 controlled opposition.. I feel that he always was :(

[@RaquelSantos-hj1mq]

His anger against the tyranny in Canada is completely justified.

[@gandydancer9710]

Exactly. I couldn't take very much of this whiny little soyboy Fuller. The pose of earnestly trying to convince the determinedly inconvincible enemy while getting kicked in the nuts doesn't have the virtues he imagines it has. Mainly it arouses contempt, and not just in who he imagines is an interlocutor.

[@RaquelSantos-hj1mq]

@@gandydancer9710 Yup. I had that same comptemptuous feeling. It made me physically nauseous.

[@almavieja3219]

What the interviewee doesn't want to acknowledge is that sometimes things get so irrational, absurd and unfair, and it's consequences in our daily life so evidently negative, that peace-making practices, like dialogue, compassion etc, are no longer effective, useful or even possible, and confrontation becomes more than a moral duty, the only resort available. Peterson's turn to a more aggressive, confrontational attitude in his decision to pick a side is a proof of that; not even someone with his intellect, personality and wisdom could find investing so much resources trying to make peace and avoid conflict sustainable. Imagine how wrong things must be to trigger someone like him.

[@pnwlady]

Yeah, I’ve witnessed the left deny the humanity of the right and deny conversation, willfully shutting down any speech they reject- so JP moving to the right and/or engaging in similar behavior doesn’t surprise me. It is unfortunate for us in the middle and trying to return to sanity. I can’t stand this managing voices on the right but not the left. We have to stop pussyfooting around how often the left calls for violence, minimizes or justifies violence and how dangerous dehumanizing opposition is. The left is mainstreaming the precursor for genocide and/or war. First you deny their humanity, than you can kill them without any moral guilt.

[@gedofgont1006]

Your last sentence catches it in a nutshell. 👍🤝

[@pmatti01]

I agree that a just cause is worth standing up for, and when oppression causes harm it should be confronted. I disagree with many who say that everyone must take a side the culture war, in terms of the woke v anti-woke thing. I think there are a range of ways of looking at society/culture/ human beings other than through the lens of the woke or the unwoke/antiwoke. I suspect wokism would have been a relatively short lived phenomena had it not been for the equally self-righteous anti-woke movement.

[@huskerfan-el4jx]

JP got cancelled for calling Elliot by his birth name but is routinely called a Nazi by the people who cancelled him. There is a time to get fed up with the BS. I still listen to JP and i still respect what he is doing.

[@StaalBurgher0]

David Fuller... the oh so reasonable centrist that is directly responsible for the mess we are in. People like him hand held wokeness into existence.

[@tonybalzan3160]

Totally agree. He just fence sits and wants to appear balanced by not offering opinion therefore never having a position. In his world view the likes of the Buddha and Christ would be under scrutiny for also having " polarising views " .

[@nuqworld]

I'm curious what reason he is choosing to collapse his business? What did you get from this interview. Speaking of the 'centrist' 'struggle' he's always not quite reflective about what is so obvious to see, from watching him on important subjects. He being closer to MSM on any topic we have seen him present. Not alternative at all. Where though I've enjoyed the long form emails. Some of the creators he platformed whom I would not have heard from. I could watch and disagree. However on some of those live or die subjects we are confronted with, his objective pretense was unwatchable. I don't love unherd however watch because of the interviews. The list of key figures who appear here. Helps me find my own centre.

[@johnsullivan8681]

@Staal Burgher Agreed, but Fuller is not a "centrist". Until a few years ago he'd have been called out as the far-left nutter he is.

[@ash9058]

Yes…by treating everything as a ‘delicate discussion’ full of ‘nuance’.

[@StaalBurgher0]

@@johnsullivan8681 fair enough, it shows how insidious the leftward movement of everything has been that he is feels comfortable portraying himself as such

[@iolo6933]

It was time to stop listening when the interviewer said "who IS now a man", of the actor who now self-identifies as male. No, that actor is NOT now a man, and never can be, as that actor's doctor must at all times bear in mind. That actor can only ever be both of their biological sex and a transman. In a society which respects diversity or plurality the transman is accepted as being of equal worth to a man, a woman, and a transwoman. Just as we cannot claim that a man is a woman, it is irrational to claim that a transman is a man.

[@Kefuddle]

I don't think this guy has realised that the classical middle of the road of reasonableness has shifted right. Also, he should not be imagining what Peterson would say. Either he has said or he has not. Is Fuller deliberately trying to sabotage Peterson's base?

[@richkamminga4283]

If you followed the entire Page convo, its obvious thats the intention.

[@Kefuddle]

@@richkamminga4283 tbh I could not justify the time watching this garbage all the way through. It isn't as if I even have a hard-on for Peterson, I just think these tactics are dirty tactics because such people cannot rise to the challenge. Good on Unherd for supporting all voices, with them I would not be aware of such skulduggery.

[@Kefuddle]

@Jane B Robbins Exactly, so the traditional middle of the road views have now considered right-wing.

[@Kefuddle]

@Jane B Robbins Well if you think an ad-hom interview destroy somebodies reputation without actually refuting the points that person makes is reasonable then I'm a fascist.

[@Kefuddle]

@Jane B Robbins Am I in an alternate universe or something?

[@debbielondon1809]

We wouldn't be in this dreadful situation if the mainstream media hadn't been so one-sided.

[@kevinfalls662]

Exactly, if proper left wing views had been represented in the MSM we would not be here.

[@betrayedcitizen5135]

@@kevinfalls662 what??? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡

[@daviddad7388]

This is the second time I see Fuller on my feed. Twice it's him attacking someone for their work.

[@callmeej8399]

@@betrayedcitizen5135 and this is why political discussions are broken

[@Derrar7164]

This is what social media does, create something or someone and break ( cancel them) if they don't keep the fine line... that said Jordan Peterson is just a person who says whatever he wants to say, right or wrong...why judge him ?

[@Robsav-yx6vi]

So accurate Derrar . This is incredibly sad .

[@conscious_being]

So who are you going to judge: someone who says what he/she doesn't want to say?🙄 People _are_ judged for what they say and do. What else are you going to judge anyone by?

[@tobedownloaded6277]

Exactly Derrar Speak loud JP speak long don't let anyone silence you. For the record I do not agree with everything JP says. Why should I? We all should be listening to a wide variety of speakers and making our own minds up. No one is 💯 percent right but voices need to speak and not be silenced.

[@johnnysalter7072]

He spreads evil.

[@tobedownloaded6277]

@@johnnysalter7072 in what way?

[@rubix71]

JP is a sensitive, open person who was viciously attacked, ceaselessly and with no attempt to understand him. It's been hit piece after hit piece. His physical health has deteriorated, but I fear the toll on his psyche has been far worse. I don't blame him for being angry or taking a stand, although the truth is he didn't pick a "side" --he got boxed into a corner. I had hoped that he would retreat from the public eye, to heal and spend time with his family, but I understand why he feels he has been called to action; to fight for the good of mankind, and has put his own wellbeing aside to do just that. I agree with Fuller in a way, I too prefer the professor to the madman, but Fuller would have to agree, the Left has gone preposterously too far in the past two years and we need JP's voice to help rescue us from ourselves.

[@aranisles8292]

Excellent comment. Thanks.

[@nic8093]

So far what I understood from this conversation is that Peterson was enlightened when he answered to media mistreatment of him from a place of surprise but while he is being assertive not so much. Let’s remember that it has not been only social media attacking his character and inquisitive manner over taboo subjects but also traditional media ( television, newspapers, magazines and so forth). Also let’s remember that assertion is a quality of confidence and Peterson him self has said that highly assertive people are high in disagreableness, hence why he now might appear so dislikable to some that found him inspiring before, when his manner was more passive and inquisitive. Also I have not managed to find the propuse of this conversation sans Peterson. Why have it now instead of waiting for him to responde to an interview request? Would any of this new detractors be part of such an interview ?

[@jamesbarlow6423]

He rationalizes intellectual unfairness as disagreeableness. He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

Peterson is meh compared to Ben Shapiro. Shapiro started as unlikable and stiff, Peterson was very lively and passionate. Now it's reverse. Peterson is like a hermit in the woods while Shapiro has become a likeable version of Alex Jones.

[@wil7803]

39 "thumbs-up" and 2 "Chadonnay Liberal" replies..... This 47 min. and most of the replies sum-up the reality that there are no-more open-minded critical-thinkers still left in the mainstream Liberal class.... The 39 "Ups' agree with you but don't want to reply because they fear reprisal from the woke mob.... Peterson has "had-it' with the Mob, and the Chardonnay Libs, who like everyone to "Play-Nice", don't like him being too assertive.... Mainstream "upwardly-mobile" Libs and men who wear white Tab-collared shirts, like their social commentary to be "kinder/gentler"....

[@jamesbarlow6423]

@@wil7803 . Childish assessment. Your attitude has been noticed. Go make your bed.

[@harrymills2770]

@@svenjorgensenn8418 Shapiro's a neocon. Peterson's a classical liberal.

[@Darvistas]

David, I think you've missed an essential point in regard to Peterson positioning himself politically. He's chosen his position for very simple reasons. Living in Canada, Peterson was faced with a virtual dictatorship and made a choice to place a stake in the ground and push back agsinst the radical left madness occurring there. In strategic terms he's using his influence in the best way he can.Its irresponsible to return to more nuanced narrative of worldly affairs when one's country is falling before one's eyes. In essence, He found a hill to die on and I applaud him for it.

[@parvent3556]

Exactly!

[@aspicboat]

Then perhaps he should've stayed in fucking Canada then.

[@microfarming8583]

Fuller is wilfully ignorant and as such complicit. Unfortunately weak men like him are the problem in 21st century western world.

[@TiagoZorg]

Please, instead of judging Jordan’s “decay”, why don’t you discuss the actual attacks he HAD to face just to preserve a basic sense of reality and his right to express it out loud?

[@troig43]

He lost all credibility when he became addicted to Benzodiazepines.

[@agatanakonieczny2213]

@@troig43 I would not say all but much, especially in terms of advice (rules for life) on self-management. IMO he is just a human under too much pressure/attack/stress. It looks as if he has been rebuilding himself recently. Getting healthier, more focused, braver and stronger is good I believe.

[@janglandis773]

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

[@judiechamblee9581]

Peterson was being attacked for many things of which he ,and many other people, disagreed upon..and he just said no and stood his ground..he was one of the few first people who had the guts to say know to woke ...peterson is a hero and now the tide is changing back to tru reality and old time values

[@burnalog7861]

Fantastic interview- Freddy at his very best. I don't know David Fuller or his channel but nothing he said made me want to explore it. He strikes me as too intelectual and scared of conflict. I am no historian but did get a good sense of the situation of how Hitler was allowed to create an authotarian state and erase civil liberties because other nations were too scared of conflict. The authoritarian and woke threats are real and powerful and I think we are way beyond intellectual and spiritual discussions, especially because the intigators of these threats are not really intetested in discussions at all. Fullers weakest criticism imo was that alternative media didn't give the mainstream guys a platform or that they didnt push back enough against the altetnative experts like Malone and others. Calling Malone "hughly controversial" clearly shows which camp Fuller supports. Right from the beginning, before I ever heard of Malone, pushing a new untested secret experimental vaccine on anyone but the truly vulnerable, was highly controversial to me. Faucci & Co. were the controversial ones from the start. They were supported by a billion dollar undemocratic corrupt propaganda machinery. Any expert, including Malone or vander Bosche, were totally silenced and only thanks to a few small brave alternative media outlets we know of them at all. Faucci already reached the vast majority of people - and Fuller critisizes the small alternative media for not inviting him? He would never have showed up. Steve Kirsch tried everything to entice the other side to debate (even a million dollars) - they are not intetested Fuller doesn't get the extend and seriossness of this war on democracy and civil right. Calling it a "culture war" is intellectual bla bla. This is a real war (although a mostly non-violent war), and people need to pick sides and it seems JP did that. There are many examples in history where deeply spiritual and philosophical leaders decide that it is time to pick up the sword and fight (practically and metaphorically speaking). The idea that a spiritual person is always a peaceful non-violent person is wrong. Some are, some are not. Jesus, for example, was way more fierce than the churches often descibe him. He resisted the powerful Jewish spiritual leaders and the Roman oppressors and showed acts of violence and anger in the temples. So let JP do his thing and be grateful for it and stop this woke bullshit.

[@lovesees4320]

🎯 👏👏👏 The World Mr Fuller lives in has fallen... If it ever existed In reality we never had Democracy & Prosperity It was All Built on systems of Plunder.🌚🤑 As for Freedom Apparently that's now a Right Wing Conspiracy talking Point🤦‍♀️ If You Believe You live in a free society Just try saying No! As the Canadian Truckers have The Dutch Farmers The People's of the Donbass The list is endless 🕊️

[@amarieski5832]

Never heard of gender dysphoria BS back in the 80s. Stop with this WOKE ideology crap and messing up our children!!! JP is a genius and knows the score

[@sundara888whelan5]

Right on brother ♦️

[@burnalog7861]

@@amarieski5832 According to one source in Matt Walsh's documentary it's between 1 in 33000 to 1 in 110000. It's very rare but I met a kid once that really seemed to be in the wrong body. But what going on at the moment has nothing to do with gender euphoria imo. My own 15 year old daughter suddenly feels like she is a boy one day while on most other days she happilly does girly stuff (make-up, buying dresses, hair, nails, fancy boys etc.) That got us alarmed and after digging deeper we realized how aggressively it's pushed in her school and social media. Thete is a bigger agenda going on that has nothing to do with the very rare real cases of gender dysphoria.

[@karolinagrunberg4772]

He is not scared of conflict as much as he understands the nature of confilct and how most conflicts begin with the intellectual, and through discernment and rational judgement conflict can be minimized and de-escalated.

[@Helmutandmoshe]

David Fuller is a pretty good interviewer, but not an important thinker himself. His misunderstanding of Jordan Peterson is on par with his mistaken assessments of Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. His deeper political beliefs are creating an undercurrent of a type of intolerance and blindness - his commitment to heterodoxy is eclipsed by a pre-existing vision that is starting to show.

[@YogGroove]

Perfectly put

[@simon-ec5kv]

Tried to give the guy a chance but gotta agree

[@youlig1]

I think you meant to say Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

[@Helmutandmoshe]

@@youlig1 Yes, thank you - I corrected it.

[@graytoby1]

The comments section provides such fascinating insights. It's more interesting than the actual interview. Bravo

[@JLDenelsbeck]

It is precisely this politeness at the expense of truthfulness that has allowed things to get as bad as they are. If one side is willing to take a stand and the other is not, what might we expect to happen?

[@horseman3222]

No, Peterson just got angry because he got banned from twitter. His twitts were not some intelectual masterpieces, don't kid yourself. You win over culture by writting books that will be read by all future generations. Not by posting up to 280 messages on twitter. Peterson presented himself in the discussed video as bitter, deranged and narcissistic.

[@JLDenelsbeck]

@@horseman3222 If Peterson was primarily a Twitter personality, this might make sense, except for the fact that he wasn’t banned. His account was suspended on the contingency that he delete the tweet. He took a stand on principle. You don’t have to like it, but it is factual. To your point, his books are massively popular, his KZbin channel is massively popular. He has thousands of thousands of hours of lectures and interviews dating back to the mid 90’s, decades of clinical work and consulting work for multinational corporations to improve workplace dynamics and female participation at all levels. His self-authoring courses are tremendously popular. Now, you may not like him, or his views, but denying his influence is delusional.

[@adamsmith307]

Shouldn’t the question be what happened to David Fuller and Rebel Wisdom?

[@stoniblue3569]

David Fuller lost me with his biased critique of Ivermectin. Safe effective early treatment. Still

[@RobLanderos]

Fuller's critique of ivermectin became more of an attack on the character and intellectual integrity of Bret Weinstein.

[@ansielubbeprosser9072]

The time to flip flop is over. Decide what your moral convictions are and stand up for them. You handled the interview really well, thank you Freddie.

[@the-quintessenz]

David's arguments make perfect sense if you ignore what happened between 2020 and 2022.

[@RobMcGrath0]

@@the-quintessenz As Sir Roger Scruton would say '...I looked into the abyss and then stepped back...', Jordan Peterson has been looking deeply into the abyss and lately maybe is just a tiny bit too deep in, but on the part of Fuller it looks like he just has no awareness of what is going on out there - creeping totalitarianism.

[@BraveNewWorldAH]

@@RobMcGrath0 more far right mass shootings? Is that what's coming?

[@BraveNewWorldAH]

@@RobMcGrath0 aliens?

[@RobMcGrath0]

@@BraveNewWorldAH good point...

[@richardvaldes3959]

" even if you think it's the most important thing in the world" who's this guy crying about Jordan?

[@pulmo1]

David is a codependent weakling not up to opposing the lunacy of our progressive brethren.

[@bettynotzon2998]

Peterson has become more focused. It's not fair to equate this with narrow-mindedness. He has been a victim of personal and existential events that don't allow him to be a neutral bystander anymore. All people of good-will are having to take up gauntlets we would have fain refused.

[@matthewpadgett9526]

Jordan Peterson....I have much respect and admiration for him. 👏🏽

[@1justpara]

I'm sure Mr Peterson will be heart broken that you don't fancy him any more. At least he's standing up for his MORAL conscience and not just being a people pleaser, that's YOUR job. Jog on.

[@FaroukGulsara]

Having Jordan to rebut all of David’s allegations would be interesting!

[@GGTutor1]

Should take about two minutes. Not that I am a supporter of Peterson, but the criticism here is facile and pointless.

[@benjamin1720]

JP has better things to do

[@Bradley9967]

In summary he has an issue with tone.

[@PeterQuentercrimsonbamboo]

Indeed - but just reading the comment threads here are sufficient… no need for JP to spend his far more valuable time on doing that -

[@benjamin1720]

@@Bradley9967 yes, a very feminine, nanny-like complaint.

[@purpleniumowlbear2952]

I've been dealing with a lot of the same concerns as David Fuller, but it was nice to see him use a platform to say them out loud. I for one, think David is not crazy at all for feeling this way. I have really greatly admired Peterson, and was sure I'd be one of those people who if I ever saw him would tell him all the ways he helped me get my life together and make him cry. But these days, he sometimes feels like he's edging closer to being just another Dave Ruben, or Stephen Crowder, or Ben Shapiro. I have nothing against those guys, but I didn't like JP for being them, I liked him for being Jordan Peterson, which entailed everything David Fuller described. Still have nothing but love for the guy, he's already done plenty that I'm thankful for, but I feel like his days of being a distinctly wholesome, restorative, and refreshing voice amidst the chaotic polarization of our culture has ended, at least for now.

[@G_Ozare]

The time for holding hands and singing Kumbaya is over baby.

[@alvareo92]

@@G_Ozare Because it's either holding hands or yelling at each other, right?

[@ged999]

Of all the things Unherd could talk about, they choose to interview David Fuller, the front man for an incredibly boring podcast. He's ending the podcast because no one is listening anymore... Jordan peterson now has a lucrative contract with the Dailly Wire, so he's gonna be different. It doesn't require a piece on it. An interview with an independent journalist with some contrasting opinion on the Ukraine war would be more informative...

[@ged999]

@Patsy Stone that's an opinion, which might be correct, but whether it is 'a rag' whatever that actually means, it is still a massively successful, close to be billion dollar business with millions of members, so it is clearly successful at what it does...

[@glennstanley2892]

Can't vouch for Peterson, but I will go to bat for Weinstein. Unlike many, I believe he has been forced into partial bubble confinement by powers that we should all be concerned with. Bottom line, he has been more right than wrong regarding COVID, and the powers that be have been more wrong than right. Based on this alone, he deserves to be considered.

[@georgieb1471]

I agree. I think Brett has integrity and if he is proved wrong, he'll admit it.

[@Economics21st]

I was concerned by Bret's and Heather's apparent support for compulsory medical interventions early on (e.g. discussion over whether to take AZ/J+J or mRNA), but I still listened to their point of view, and it was interesting to hear how it changed over the space of a year. It's so important not to be stuck in your previous belief just because you don't want to admit that you now think it was wrong.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

I never bought the Weinstein shtick

[@RaquelSantos-hj1mq]

Agreed.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

Me too. It's Eric who's all P.T.Barnum

[@Dakinisimo]

The world needs warriors and it needs peacemakers. It’s a shame that the peacemakers can rarely acknowledge that warriors are the ones who give them enough space to be able to make peace without being slaughtered. I think JP knows how close we are to having peace and freedom snatched away. Its a quarter to midnight and David Fuller thinks it’s still noon. Perhaps from the UK it looks that way. But to JP in Canada it certainly does not.

[@peterc3262]

You're right and what you're seeing is "polite britishness." I hate the fear that runs through tpublic figures in the UK because they don't want to be shut out of the establishment, but that's what I hear here (and I hear it from Freddy a lot). That's why Im only a sometimes watcher.

[@harrymills2770]

The British have a strong sense of duty, which is good and bad. That "go along to get along" attitude has them rolling over for infringements of their natural rights. Getting arrested because someone was offended by a tweet? Really? Arrested for reporting on the court cases of grooming gangs? Really? That wouldn't fly in America.

[@dt6822]

Except it isn't true. Consider the possibility that everybody here is an error. When it comes to the truckers in Canada that's a perfect example. This is not a legitimate movement. A branch of the movement was arrested in Calgary at the same time they were in Ottawa because undercover agents recorded them saying they plan to go to the Calgary airport and take hostages. When the cops busted them they found over a million rounds of ammo. The guy's in Ottawa were demonstrating and shutting down the ambassador bridge which is Canada's largest access point for imports and exports to the United States which is the largest trading relationship in the world economically and had that blockade been permitted to stay even for hours longer they would have created such economic havoc that are grocery shelves would have gone empty. It became a security of the state issue. When have you heard Peterson ever put it in those terms to his audience? The group urinated on the tomb of the Unknown soldier and drove their redneck pickups onto the memorial to the Unknown soldier commemorating Canada sacrifices in fighting Nazis, and then proceeded out of the truck having driven onto the mall where they're not supposed to be with cars and having created grooves in the grass around the memorial from their tires, they then proceeded to walk around the tomb of the Unknown soldier carrying swastika flags. And this is a legitimate protest movement? According to Peterson none of this really happened this way and it's all Justin Trudeau's fault. Nonsense not only does the Prime Minister have intelligence that he's not going to publicly disclose to the rest of us but 95% of Canadians are in support of what the Prime Minister did. In addition to that Trudeau has been reelected three times and still has high approval ratings. Peterson presents himself as a classically liberal Democrat, but yet advocates against a fully elected Democratic leader of a country who's been reelected countless of times. Should he be rallying people into rage and fury instead of encouraging them to go out and vote if they want to see change?

[@janglandis773]

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

[@paisleyplaid4074]

1000%

[@peterwestgarth1477]

Given what Jordan has endured I think it is extraordinary that he has held back for so long. Is it coincidental that the issues he addresses and the attacks he endures come from left oriented players? That coupled with his crystal clear view of the horrors of communist totalitarianism set him clearly against the woke and the far left but not necessarily on the right. I still see him as firmly on the side of common sense.

[@siddhartha_1]

I feel about David Fuller as David Fuller feels about Jordan Peterson.

[@lukeannett]

Fuller is a coward. Only a matter of time before they come for him too.

[@janglandis773]

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

[@secondotranquilli3973]

It's refreshing to see so many comments that "read" Fuller for what he is.

[@ioanparry]

Whilst I suspect I agree with what you're insinuating, what do you see David as?

[@twohands475]

@@ioanparry Fuller shit?

[@ioanparry]

@@twohands475 😂👏👏

[@crystalclear2089]

Yes, an useful elite idiot, he has no idea he will be crashed first once the communist authoritarian regime takes over, just watch former KGB Yuri Bezmenov’s interview and his full lecture at LA 1983: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society.

[@jessewest2109]

I totally agree with David. JP had become what he hated. A true sith

[@realspokengermanwithtomek3441]

Freddie Sayers does an amazing job! Thanks a lot!!!

[@drewmccu258]

The Rebel Wisdom guy seems so genuine and passionate about getting to the truth, being ethically and logically consistent. It's like the UnHerd guy can't relate with him. Quite a contrast