"David vs Goliath" - Ibanez TubeScreamer Mini vs TubeScreamer TS808 Pro

[@metalmonti]

I like the green one

[@charliehovil4365]

I like the yellow one

[@jackwhite3304]

Same here

[@r.edward5701]

They're Grey. I'm colour blind

[@ConcealedSteel]

You win, lol.

[@yebot]

Yea

[@lolufsen]

Seems obvious to me, that the best way to get a good tone, is to buy yourself a Pete Honoré!

[@vintagepipesnightmares]

Damn fan boys are the worst !! It is such an ugly thing !

[@scaleman6988]

@@vintagepipesnightmares The only ugly thing I'm seeing here is that profile picture of yours 😂 We all love Danish Pete

[@grantburgh1]

that chord progression over first 2 minutes 😍😍😍

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Mini sounds just as good. Close your eyes and you can't tell them apart. The difference (if any?) is miniscule. I'd love to see a Blind comparison. I much prefer Pete to the Chapper, for a more thorough and well informed Demo.

[@Mr131313ck]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@Ryane994]

I have the Mini one sounds great! Great option for a smaller pedalboard and a lot cheaper than the TS808

[@IGarrettI]

really hard choice! awesome playing as always Pete

[@FatihPekbas]

Good Lord, what a great playing!

[@kangaroofoot]

I didn’t really pay attention until this comment. You’re right, it’s so good.

[@rockostiffredi4276]

They compared them on 'That Pedal Show', and the differences were a lot less than in this case. I think it's something to do with the fact they were in individual true bypass loops through the G2 switcher, rather than in series with each other. The mini will get choked slightly by the additional buffer of the 808, which is not true bypass. Not sure if the mini is true bypass either for that matter.

[@kikbill]

ROCKO STIFFREDI yes, the mini is true bypass

[@AlexGroen]

Best Andertons clean sound I've heard so far at this channel!

[@danfleischer6737]

I use the mini because it’s true bypass which is important because I run it into a big muff :) I fully recommend this combo if you have the opportunity

[@jessekerley8625]

I first listened to the entire video without watching and knowing which one was playing. Then I went back and watched it again. They are obviously incredibly similar, but I actually prefer the mini.

[@ts4689]

Good comparison, played well. Interestingly, I would split this test into chords and soloing. Personally I liked the chords better with the TS Mini, because I think the chords are a bit more transparent. The Mini has less emphasized mids. The TS808, on the other hand, brings slightly more meat to the soloing when with more mids and therefore has a more pleasant tone.

[@FabianLanfold]

They sound very similar, minor differences here and there, Personally I liked the TS808 better, but it's not THAT much of a difference, on a live/gig scenario no one would even note the difference and they both would do the job just right, which says a lot about the TS mini. Also, awesome playing, the first two minutes or so were amazing.

[@evansgoff476]

For the price, the mini is such a great buy. I love mine, and it fits in the nooks of my board so well.

[@ApurwaRayamajhi]

Both are amazing. Mini for boosting a distorted amp. 808 for the overdriving a clean amp. Amazing review.

[@JoonKimDMD]

can 808 be used for distorted amp?

[@chiefbrody6935]

Pete - it was only a tubescreamer demo, and you wheeled out one of the tastiest blues loops I’ve ever heard. You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!

[@MarcAndreLevesque]

The mini sounds like a Keeley moded Tubescreamer with less bass and more neutral without the price tag.

[@aaronmichaelmusic_]

Yah. Def less bass and more twang in the higher notes. Not a huge diff... but noticeable on headphones

[@JamesRussoMillas]

Ugh that 808 is just amazing with that guitar/amp combo!

[@DR440]

I've owned both. Both sound great but my favorite is the mini. It is a little brighter in the high end which I like because I primarily use it as a booster anyways. The mini sounds really good with Mesa amps. Some pedals work great with some amps and others don't mesh with them at all. The 808 and mini do not sound identical.....

[@Dorian2ification]

Danish Pete, love your vids and reviews at Andertons, but the issue I have with this particular one is that there was a lot of pickup selection switching when switching between the 2 pedals. Definitely colored the true test of tone for me because it was almost akin to apples to oranges. But like anyone should anyways, I'll check them both out with my rig to see which one works for me. Keep up the good work.

[@dogeycj6189]

Next time i got about buying pedals i'll remember what Ricky Gervais told me.

[@xx-ip7ej]

“Buy on ferry? WHAT?! You’re an idiot. Play a record.”

[@Music_is_fun]

@@xx-ip7ej i prefer to play at home

[@Growlycake]

@@xx-ip7ej how much is that TS Mini? 'Five quid'. I'LL GIVE YOU SEVEN

[@endezeichengrimm]

What did he say?

[@MistaHahn117]

By itself, the full sound of the 808 is more appealing, but thinking how the context of a mix would work out, the bite of the mini would be where it's at for me.

[@dan31789]

Those are some baby making tones right there

[@AJCCycling]

You win the internet with that one! Because it's so damn true!

[@soybesako]

Came here looking for this comment 🤣 don’t know which one could helps more with the assignment!

[@alexhdz8539]

Don’t know why I feel the pro sounds like every other conventional pedal or amp distortion to me, I actually preferred the mini, I think I’ll order it today

[@joepope5793]

Picked up my mini for about 75 u.s., couldn't imagine not having it now.

[@luisangelEXALTA]

so many pluses, takes less space, tone for ages, nuff said

[@jsmuir4722]

Come on folks. There's no appreciable difference - except price and pedalboard space.

[@angelite143]

TS808 has more punchy and mid-bass tone, while the Mini has a natural - kinda warmer sounding feel. Mini for me

[@jaychen2000metal]

Middy is warm, no? Transparent

[@florinsi]

It has exactly the same circuit, you twat

[@jessetate9701]

I love me both but my price range is for the mini

[@sandrosadhukhan]

@@florinsi you're deaf, twat. Welcome.

[@florinsi]

@Pat Vincent Yes, by far not a single nuance any human ear can hear ...

[@IamtheActionman]

Brilliant demo Different tone slightly but either would be a nice addition to any rig.

[@ScottTheNews]

They both sound great. I have a TS9 that has the 808 mod and I have compared it to the mini. Yes there differences but truly they both sound great.

[@markgowans]

Great playing as always Pete but perhaps a comparison between single coils and humbuckers would have been a good idea as well.

[@kikiphallin]

Both sound beautiful (if anything at one point I preferred the mini). Just get the one that fits your pedalboard better.

[@apfelmistnutte]

have the mini. it kicks balls :3

[@xandermeadows2792]

The mini is also true bypass I believe which is something to consider

[@JeffStarr]

I really like this series. I think it would be helpful if you added a few comments at the end to share your thoughts as someone in the room. It would be great to learn about some of the stuff only you can feel, like touch sensitivity to dynamics, the feeling the knobs & pots have ("These feel really solid for the price") or the perceived feeling of "loudness" that might not actually be decibels into the mic. ...If that makes sense. Your playing sounds great as always.

[@homerbunker-simpson2702]

yeah...I agree with this especially since the vast majority of us are listening on laptops...or even worse, on cell phones! there's no way that minor differences will make it thru all the network digitization, cell tower transmissions and crappy cell phone speakers. your personal opinion as an experience player with ears in the room is important. also agree...you have to do these in bypass loops....a/b....not chained together. put a buffer like a tuner in front and then go to the a/b box.

[@yoshiki.g1450]

Pro has bigger, fuller and warmer tone to it while Mini TS has brighter tone to it adding that chime to its tone overall. They both are great tube overdrive pedals. They have similar tones slightly different. It is just matter of taste and preference to each individual and which tone they prefer actually.

[@ArielsSmartyPants]

I just wish the levels had been more even. To me, these pedals sound almost identical but with the 808 being louder it seems more dynamic.

[@niceandgentlemusic6390]

+ArielsSmartyPants yes, that was my opinion too. I think if the level of the mini should be set a little higher, that the difference between the 2 should be less. I like both the pedals.

[@Invisible-Rhino]

808 sounds more full in the lower range, for sure, less brittle sounding for a smoother more satisfying live solo sound, but as someone stated above - in a mix you'd usually end up removing a lot of that bottom end with EQ anyway.,.,

[@gmlasam]

Of course the TS808 is going to sound better, because it cost more. Everyone knows that many of us listen with our eyes and wallet because of bragging rights. This goes for all the vintage gear as well. In a blind fold test, you really can't hear the difference. Everyone is going the hear what they want to hear and try to fight tooth and nail to justify it. Now... let the replies begin....... :)

[@riccc6125]

ayy

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

At last, somebody who understands what goes on in a guitarists mind. This thing cost more or is older so it must sound better. LOL. They sound the same because the mini is designed to sound the same or what is the point?

[@Kuemmel234]

How are opinions like this binary? Yeah sure, a lot of it is price, a lot of it is looks and fame and design and,... . Point is, it doesn't need to be about sound only (although for me personally it mostly is, I'd use a pink ENGL or a yellow Fender Blues Junior if I had to). Older gear is often broken in, it was made with a different set of electronics or it was on a different circuit all around. That alters the sound. That's true even for digital stuff. You have to decide whether you hear the difference or not. We've only heard a mic'd cab, but how do those two compare in the room? I'd love to try that with someone else hitting the switches/turning the gears and me guessing.

[@gabopalacios2028]

The only difference that matters is the "feel" you get from playing it, that's it. The audience can't tell the difference between a Klon Centaur or a cheap TS clon from Joyo

[@lylaznboi01]

It doesn't really matter how expensive or how old it is, what matters is how you use the damn thing. It's like buying a vintage drum set. Sure, it sounds good, but it doesn't really matter when it gets recorded. The consumer cares about how music sounds as a whole, regardless of what equipment you're using. Not everyone is gonna care about every little detail. Shit, even the Behringer overdrive ain't that bad.

[@smiggy1968]

Really nice playing Pete!

[@coldwar1977]

mini sounds clearer, big one more vintage. depends what you want. both great pedals.

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Agree & it does in every video.

[@stebly7]

Both fine sounding, both do their TubeScreamer sound to a tee. I have the 808 on my large board and the Mini on my Nano board. When adjusted to comparable settings, the 808 is smoother with slightly less treble, the Mini very slightly harder (modern?) with a little more brightness. With some knob twiddling they can be made to sound almost indistinguishable from each other. There is a remaining tiny difference but in a mix or band situation I very much doubt that it would be distinctively audible. When choosing the sound of the pedal you prefer, it would be personal taste rather than a qualitative decision. The cost saving of the Mini is definitely a factor, as well as size.

[@rockpinch5177]

So mini is brighter? Tq i like this very much.

[@rockthecasbahs]

I've had a TS9 and a TS9DX , tube screamer style overdrives are my favorite.

[@nsrfreak]

Pete could make any pedal sound great.

[@davidkieltyka9]

My initial take: the 808 has more of a midrange kick, otherwise they're pretty close. Some folks want less of a mid bump…the mini should work better for them. The 808 gives you the expected TS sound.

[@ebikes2xs]

Thanks for sweeping through the knob positions on each pedal instead of assuming setting the knobs in the same position on both pedals is the same. I want to know if the Mini can match the sound of the 808. Yes, vary the knobs to achieve it if possible? One other thing worth mentioning; I don't think the 808 is true bypass and will color the sound of anything after it in the signal. You need 2 separate signal paths like Josh from JHS was showing in a recent video.

[@LeakyBucketHandle]

808 seems smoother, less treble perhaps more bass/lower miss. Sounds more full as far as I can tell.

[@mannyliu99]

Great video, perhaps one on the Fulltone OCD vs Plimsoul next?

[@fpapaleo74]

Fantastic Pete, you are great! For me, mini Ts.

[@shellbournian]

I like the mini better... the 808 pro has more body in the bridge position, but flubs out when driven in the neck position imo.

[@WillowDailyShorts]

They both sound pretty sweet. But if I had to choose, TS808 all the way.

[@cubesandpi]

Pete is the best player for this demo. He plays exactly the sort of stuff I want to

[@michaelgutierrez5979]

i personally would have to go with the mini just sounds more bluesy to me

[@snooze0023]

They both sound great slight difference but not alot. Id want both. The mini for a small portable board and the 808 for your massive home board.

[@UltimatePwnageNL]

This may say more about me than about the pedals but i honestly don't hear the difference.

[@andertons]

+Hatagashira Are you using headphones or speakers? We would recommend it.

[@UltimatePwnageNL]

3 year old Sennheiser HD465's on a $40 c-media based headphone amp of the same age set to 24 bit 96khz. The lows are sloppy due to the headphone's age but it shouldn't be that bad.

[@spartaco1958]

There's a lot of difference in tone. Pro is much more "big" and warm.

[@yoshiki.g1450]

Hatagashira Pro is bigger, fuller and warmer in comparison to the mini TS but mini TS is still a great tube overdrive. It has that brighter chime to it which I prefer actually.

[@oliverjames7315]

spartaco1958 the fact you have to but your description in speech marks means it doesn't really mean anything.

[@nunoandradebluesdrive]

yup, great and helpful review. I own an old ts9, that is getting too old to take to clubs. I think Mini TS might be a good replacement because it's going on a pedalboard anyway, power supply and all, so..why not reduce the weight and size and leave the big boy for studio use in the safety of home? Plus today , as my back starts to complain, lighter is always better, and if I don't need to compromise the sound quality its a no brainer. Waiting for this TS mini arriving tomorrow (bought used) - I need to try for myself.

[@Papaj2024]

Just switched over to the Fulltone OCD pedal after years of playing with the TS808 . These are classic and iconic pedals, but the OCD is just more versatile! Great watch though!

[@luisangelEXALTA]

honestly the OCD has gotten me thru so many different song tonal requirements (high gain, overdrive low gain and mid gain) its a workhorse of a pedal and wont leave my board but i have heard that the mini coupled with the ocd can do wonders so i am going to explore having both on my board :0)

[@keithaustin-brisbane6533]

To me, with tinnitus, I think the 808 is slightly "louder" and just a smidge warmer, other than that, they both seem fairly equal... would be good if you gave your opinion ):-)

[@josephlamanna6530]

You really need both. Use the mini as a beautiful clean boost and then keep the ts-808 cranked up for when you need that more aggressive punch. SRV was known to chain two tube screamers like this

[@jovenwayne19]

which is the chords who finish the progression? in 2:09

[@jmounce50]

Great playing! Which one won? I don't think I could choose, they sound very close and either would do the job needed by a screamer. Please give us some rotary comparisons in the future! Strymon vs EHX's new pedal or something along those lines.

[@andertons]

+jmounce50 Which ever one you think.... :) Good idea, we will ask Pete.

[@Ashbasali]

+jmounce50 Or Strymon Lex Vs Boss RT-20

[@3l84r70]

There's difference in tone, but there was also a difference in volume, with the TS808 being louder, I think because the level on the mini was almost at 11o'clock... and as such we think hear it better.... and as such we think it sounds better... I think the mini would sit better on a mix... and that's the one I'll be getting

[@sandrosadhukhan]

Correct!

[@Benjie_dsnts]

I prefer the mini for lower gain but the pro for higher gain. Go figure!

[@christopherclarke3022]

The large seems slightly warmer however, that may be adjustable and compensated via the tone knob.

[@OvidiuBolocan]

Nice tone... Where did you buy your hands from? :)) Cause The amp, the pedals and the guitar are just a bonus bro. what comes from your hands is the real deal outta here.

[@MrJoeyBoombotz]

They sound the same. I'd get the mini.Less money, less space, less weight.Same result, mid range boost with hair.

[@vintagepipesnightmares]

Hey Pete ! You don’t have to play music to demo pedals. In fact it is better if you only use a few chords.

[@wildbill2122]

@ 6:21, they sound exactly the same on same settings, and I have the MINI.....BUT, BIXONIC 'EXPANDORA' is the TUBE SCREAMER's closest competitor.......

[@robertogrady2798]

I can hear 'stuff' I like more in the 808... but at AUD100 I can't fault the mini... Cheers for the comprehensive vid. Three thumbs up.

[@Mikem-mq2hh]

cool video...but I don't know if in series was a true test. The signal is degraded slightly for the second pedal in line.

[@JonHoltMusic]

Personally I think that the ts808 has more depth to it. The mini is a great pedal, but its more thin. Honestly, the price points aren't too far off. I'd just spend the little bit more for the 808 unless space is tight on your board and you wouldn't be using the screamer much. Then its a toss up to your specific needs.

[@sharlowsgarage]

I own both of these and both are great pedals

[@steveallen2105]

Would the mini work well for a single mesa rectifier?

[@metalprophetPerkins]

absolutely. one of my favorite boost pedals for metal

[@AdultsAreTalking]

Sold on the Mini 🤘🏻

[@SakariKempas]

EHX Lester K versus Neo Ventilator 2? I know they're a bit different, but hey, it'd be fun to hear what Pete comes up with rotary simulators.

[@Kenshen20]

Love these videos! Regular TS808 vs TS808HW please?

[@jennaleadams]

Hey Pete can you do a review on the walrus Janus tremolo/fuzz pedal ?

[@telecastersRthebest]

What a sweet sounding strat.

[@phunkyjunkee]

There are pros and cons of each… it’s worth mentioning that the mini has true bypass, and the buffered bypass of the 808 is not terrible but it’s also not great. A TB loop pedal could mitigate this issue, but that would take away even more valuable board real estate. I just sold my 2 TS9s and got 2 minis. The 9s are digital while the 808 and mini are both analog. A bit of whiteout might help you see the dial settings on the mini.

[@enjoyCarlos]

Nice playing bro!

[@jorisdemeij]

Anyone knows the riff around 2:00? Sounds beautifull!

[@Cristianovcorp]

Wow the mini is very nice. Thanks for this video.

[@Biffen1812]

I know this may not be the easiest to do David VS Goliath suggestion, but I would love to see the Tone City Fuxx Fuzz against Rob Chapman's MXR Hendrix Octavio

[@nunoharris]

Hi. Is the mini more similar to the TS 808 or TS 9 ? Thanks

[@noobpower96]

808 for me. But in a mix/band context the mini might shine since it s a lot clearer

[@KipCount]

I’ve got the Behringer TO800 but looking for something more durable and I honestly just want an Ibanez or at the very least a metal box instead of a plastic one. Which would you go with if you genuinely liked the Behringer and wanted to stay as close to that tone as you can?

[@michaeldebavay5914]

Watched this AFTER buying the mini today (AU$109). Glad I didn't fork out the $149.00 for the TS-9

[@TillTomorrowLtd]

I much prefer the TS808, it has a fuller tone than the TS Mini, but both do really sound great. The TS808 seems to push the amp harder, I like that.

[@doncowie8653]

Think you could get the exact tone out of the mini as the TS808. Having the same settings on two pedals is rarely a fair comparison as the sweep will differ, roll some highs off the mini and it will sound the same

[@oldrocker6536]

Hi Pete, How about a D v G shootout of: Electro-Harmonix Nano LPB-1 Power Booster vs XOTIC EP BOOSTER &/or the Jim Dunlop EP101 Echoplex Preamp Pedal?? Cheers Man!

[@garyjford1981]

I think the 808 sounded a bit fuller all round? Mini still sounded awesome though, and would be more than happy with one!

[@YumeBasil]

Dave Welsh used the TS808, what were his settings?

[@ronnieharrisson]

Can the ibanez mini be used as a booster which is on all the time?? Since I've got a blackstar ht5r tube combo, which doesn't just give me enough gain for a good lead metal sound..

[@adaptiveagile]

Fabulous playing.

[@benm2624]

The biggest difference I can hear is a buffered input vs non-buffered... you really need to use a bypass box or AB box to properly compare two pedals, especially two that are so similar and trying to hear the minute differences

[@fenthedog]

Closed my eyes and I really couldnt say which was which. I own a mini and Ive never thought it sounded thin or lacking in warmth but Ive never had to crank up my amp so i dont know if that would make a differance

[@KarlSheridan]

Can’t tell the difference, but a sound test on KZbin is no comparison as the sound is altered anyway and most people are viewing this on their phone laptop or PC so to not getting the full sound

[@paulsoulmusik4302]

Obviously the TS-808 is more dynamic, you can hear it in the way he plays. I like them both and will get my mini in a couple of weeks. 😍

[@Hominid999]

Noobie here... does the tube screamer overdrive the amp's input (like a booster?), or does it deliver its overdrive sound from the pedal itself? I think I know the answer, but I'm trying to learn the differences between all these overdrive/distortion/booster/fuzz pedals from a technical perspective. Are they all just shades of grey, or really different things?

[@cubesandpi]

A mix! The signature sound of a tube screamer is generated in the circuit in the box itself, but by increasing the level of the signal you can begin to overdrive the amp as well! That's why you will see a lot of people using a ts as a booster by setting it to really low overdrive and instead cranking the level

[@Unexplained_Bacon]

Those Whirlwind cables, are they better than Planet Waves / American Stage?

[@jennaleadams]

Can you do a David vs Goliath with the boss waza craft blues driver vs the tube screamer? But Great video as always Pete.

[@stevematsukawa6342]

What I don't understand is why is it so difficult to turn up the gain AND level knobs to full blast. This is how a lot of us use these pedals for, to get full on scream at non-deafening levels. Isn't that one of the reasons we get these pedals?