Modifying Brass Shotgun Shells to accept the 209 Primer.wmv

[@Rev-D1963]

Candle wax works great to seal the over-shot card in place too. Have done that since I was a kid; never had a problem with it. Thanks for the cool videos. :)

[@BubbaRountreeOutdoors]

Hi Dave... I've been a reloader for over 30 years... Love your vids brother! The primer seat in a standard shotshell should be drilled 15/64ths just as you did. The standard 209 primer is 1/4" in diameter so you need a 'slightly' smaller seat drilled so that the primer will seat and hold under pressure. I would use a 5/8' wooden dowel 'or equivalent' to slide inside your brass to impact and seat your primer as not to damage the mouth of your round. I love this new series!

[@Regules010]

Super helpful I would have never thought about drilling them to accept the 209 primers.

[@lmomechtech7709]

Super kool job! I can see where those full brass cases are a boon and a lasting supply of ready rounds far into the future. Thanks for passing on this information and ideas!

[@Nomadnaz]

Dave, I've been watchin your vids for years and I'm a huge fan! Just wanted to say that I think this 21st century long hunter series in awesome!!! I love where your going with it and I can't wait to see more! Thanks for all you do!

[@olechuga2]

Mr. Canterbury. Great video, and as has been my previous remarks on ALL of your survival ideas and their presentation, thank you Sir, very much, for your information in helping us survive in the field. Oscar

[@Woodenarrows]

Dave, I think it’s great that through the years, even today with your great success the last couple of years, you’re still concerned about cost and showing ways to save money for us, the common man. Kudos to ya. 2 questions: If a person got too sloppy drilling out the pocket, could you end up with blow back when fired? And, I’ve not played with primers. Could they go off driving them into the brass like that. I wasn’t concerned when you were just pushing them in with your thumb.

[@Eulicidcfinder1]

this is a nice series of videos you have here, this deserves to be a lot more popular

[@seti6equj5]

Found it! Thanks Dave! I never saw this one...didn't expect to have ALL the questions I had to be answered. Nice surprise!

[@drrogla]

Great idea with full brass shells!

[@shampoovta]

these are amazing new videos Dave. Very interesting next level stuff.

[@mapbike]

I load/reload piston, rifle & shotgun ammo and have been doing so for 30+ years, here in Texas where I live the 209 shotshell primers are always either the same price as the pistol & rifle primers or maybe just slightly higher, but Dave makes a great point about usability in the field, the #209 shotshell primer is way better.....Thanks for the great info. Dave, Also after the shell is loaded you can put some red finger nail polish over the primer that will seal out moisture protection once dry.

[@francismarion4097]

I like this idea much more than the normal high brass shells...

[@MTNMANTIM]

awesome info. thank you.I'm not a reloader and i had no idea you could reload in the field, great stuff to know. Tim

[@JACMAN02]

is this called firearmcraft? the versatility of your firearm will prove it's importance in the field. well done and i look forward to more of the similar fashion, thanks.

[@specdel]

Super idea, here in UK you can buy 209s on a regular shotgun certificate but to buy large pistol primers you have to have a firearms certificate which is more difficult to obtain (many more hoops to jump through before the police will issue one) so this would be a great way round this. I hope you realise how lucky you are in USA compared to us Brits!

[@Survial9999]

Dave, Sweet. I love the idea. Think out of the box Out standing.

[@loknlode]

That would be a no brainer. I would prefer one set of primers for my shells without having to drill out my brass ones. I'd rather buy them already done that way.

[@johnlea8519]

Your videos are not only interesting but I would say essential viewing, who knows what the future may bring.

[@BrockLowell]

Timeless video and still great information brother!

[@edgarroop3689]

I have a number of years experience handloading ammunition, and I know the difference in the ignition/burning rate of different sizes and types of primers. Therefore I know why only shotgun primers should be used in shotgun loads. I wish you had explained to those who don't know the difference why it is dangerous to use rifle and pistol primers for black powder/Pyrodex loads.

[@Zarthalad]

God bless you Dave! You make great videos thank you for posting!

[@ChaplainJoe1]

U made a tool by drilling a 1/4" x 3/8" hole in the end of a 3/4" x 6" dowel. Saw slits along the length and sand slightly to prevent air lock from getting dowel stuck in the shell. Square the primer as best you can, invert the shell, drop the dowel inside and a few crisp raps with a mallet seats them easy enough. I recommend a primer pocket cleaning tool. Over time the pockets foul, making repriming increasingly more difficult.

[@okwahomohawkpride7243]

Dave I really enjoy the channel , I have learned a lot about frontier skills from you. I am looking at getting into black powder hunting, I was wondering what would be the best load for hunting hogs with the full brass shell ..Thank you and God Bless

[@92GreyBlue]

I actually prefer when a primer doesn't drop in easily. I know that the more pressure it takes to fit the primer securely will help keep moisture out of the finished shell which is something I would worry about in a survival situation.

[@ImagesandWords]

You put out some great vids. Thanks for your time and effort.

[@TenThirtyTwo]

6mm drill bit! You can use these in 4gauge/26.5mm flare reloads.

[@jasnonya3005]

Try a 1/4" bit I use them to make a 222 rem and a projectile to make rat/ varmit round no powder, very quiet if in a less than rural setting, but the 1/4 " bit makes a perfect hole for me

[@JoeRitrovato]

Dave this is a video on the Black powder reloads that I think I could use. Thanks again for a useful video. Hope to see you if you make it out to Northeastern Oregon. Joe R PS I really like the coat your wearing..JR

[@JamesBrown-rm2rd]

love your show man ,your a smart man.

[@camerl2009]

also dave you can take a 3/4" dowel rod with a holt in the middle and one with a pin in it to reprime and deprime the shells

[@EatCarbs]

I was wonder when we were going to see a Monster can target LOL Great stuff Dave! Thanks for the great vids.

[@dk48rfgj]

I would leave some shells intact, being able to use other primers would be pretty useful.

[@Boogra]

Beautiful video man. I love how you drilled the hole, loaded the shot and poured the tallow in the field to show that you don't have to have a $300 reloading tool to load shotgun shells. What's your opinion on loading slugs in this manner?

[@substance1]

This is excellent info for the H&R single shots. Thanks.

[@MrHilltopper52]

Just ordered a box of 410 and 12 ga from ballistic products , will be here thurs. can't wait! Dave, how's the school property after all the wind we've had?

[@tacticalfumble]

dave just watched this video again, large pistol primers are half the cost of 209's a box of small pistol primers are 100 to the box. i do see that seating 209's are easier to seat n the feild and if your careful could be recovered from other gauges of shells, being that the primer cup is sepatrated from the primer body.

[@jnsX2]

After thinking about it, tallow should probably only be used in cold weather. I would guess it would have potential to melt into the powder causing ignition problems in warmer weather. Paraffin or beeswax shouldn't have this problem. Other than that, love these videos, just keep telling people they need to take responsibility for what they put in their firearms.

[@WeaponX831]

how about using a cartridge deburring tool to chamfer the primer pocket. just an idea. Great vids!

[@BamaBackwoodsman]

oh yea i get my straws from Burger King or McDonalds so they dont cost me anything except time spent in cutting, premeasuring, and sealing. i use an old clean butter bowl under the measure when i load so if i spill any powder i can reclaim it easily. i also use a home made paper funnel to load the powder from the measure into the straw.

[@Kane856]

May be worth contacting Midway to see if they could run a batch of #209 primed cases for your store ...

[@xXxCatsnakexXx]

Dave are you going to be doing any video's on reloading/re loading primers? I've heard of people doing it but am clueless...

[@michaelpriest6242]

At the present time (early 2018) 209 primers cost 1.25 to 3 times what pistol and rifle primers cost.

[@davemaxwell7262]

Bass Ackwards lol. Thats very very clever my friend.

[@alzathoth]

can this method be used to reload with traditional 1 oz slugs? another great video dave. wish i could find the brass since all canadian distributers seem to be sold out... :(

[@Waldhandwerk]

Great stuff, cool rifle, shoots everything!

[@BamaBackwoodsman]

Hi Guys and Gals a helpfull hint I found works for me is to seal the end of a drinking straw by holding the end with my multi tool then measuring and pouring my powder into it. I cut the other end if the straw about 3/4 to 1 inch above the powder level and pinch it shut with my multi tool again and melt and seal it too. You can make a bunch of these up ahead of time and even in different loads of powder. If i make different loads i write the load size on with a fine tip permanent marker.

[@tazmun]

Would it be worth after drilling the main hole to load up the next size larger drill bit and just slightly touch it...brash will be soft so maybe running the drill in reverse would be good since you want it smooth and just a very slight depth?

[@weaponlover32]

"so I have to do things bass aquords all the time" Bass aquords. Never heard that one before. I might have to start using that.

[@dgr8zod]

Revolution indeed, Dave. Rather takes the shotgun into the metallic reloading realm, with the muzzleloading as a plus. I see no reason these full length brass shells would prevent doing so..

[@MuzzleMike]

I do not know if you will see this Dave but wouldn't this be ok with a black powder setup. For deer season. Yes the adapter would be better but this would be nice in the " toolbox " and use a couple of times so you would know what you are doing.

[@richardperry4115]

I’m new to reloading shotgun shells but have been hand loading, rifle and pistol rounds for many years Now but why couldn’t you have left the primer pocket small pistol. Many thanks interesting vid .

[@dgr8zod]

@JACMAN02 Black powder recipes are prevalent on the internet. Recreate any of them with care, as black powder is tempermental. Projectiles are the issue.. The only components you can't easily make are the primer, and the brass. Dave is using a common firearm to demonstrate alternate ways to maintain use of it in a survival situation. This is providing you possess the firearm to begin with.

[@chopperboi89]

Can you use tallow with the normal plastic shells, or can you only do it with the full brass? Cool video, keep up the great work!

[@MarkNovy]

called em back today and they are not going to retool for the 209. As they claim it is too costly to retool. So I ordered mine and with shipping from MAGTECH IT WAS 31.00 AND WILL BE SHIPPED IN 2-3 WEEKS

[@aru05001]

Are those waterproof? or can water get in to the gunpowder past the primer? Plz make a vid to show us!

[@MrDaleaaaa]

thas what i'm doing from now on .im only getting store bought for back up.thats realy cool

[@MITCHMIESTER]

How well will the tallow or wax plugs work in 100 degree weather? But most hunting is done in the winter so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

[@BamaBoat]

Lovin this series!

[@daleharvey3278]

Been wondering if pressure would be too high to convert .45colt and 45-70 to 209s w black powder.

[@BamaBackwoodsman]

Sorry i didnt proof read my last post to well i melt and seal the end of the straw with a lighter while holding it with my multi tool after measuring and filling it with powder i leave 3/4 to 1 inch then cut and pinch that end with my multi tool and melt and seal it. i have a reproduction .44 cal cap and ball pistol and i get 3 measured loads per straw at 25 grains. it will give you a waterproof premeasured load that all you have to do is cut off the end and pour into your barrel.

[@tompowers8495]

Thanks Dave!!!!

[@fukumann]

Hi Dave, You must have bought the last box of the 2 3/4" brass. Midway only appears to offer the 2 1/2" brass now. Are you certain those brass casings were 2 3/4"? Great video! :)

[@robertwieditz1]

Great Presentation! also one of the more bountiful resources here in Northern Mn is good old spruce pitch I used it to repair my Birch Canoe on occasion; but would also make a good sealer mixed with fat to top off a shell it is a bit gummy but would work in a pinch I have an old forty Buck shotgun 1900's vintage eastern arms I put back together the stock was in five pieces taped with 50 year old electricians tape hard as a arm cast I just have to put it back on face with a shim and will test out the pitch idea.

[@LoCoZoMbiEKiLleR]

Cordless 18v dewalt drill, PRICELESS bushcraft tool. lol J/K great vid man!

[@fgytshooting8335]

This maybe a Solution for UK here you need a firearms Ticket (FAC) to buy Pistol/rifle Primers If you only have a Shot gun Cert (SGC)you can Only by the shotgun primers so cant use Magtech Brass shells

[@alzathoth]

finally found the magtech brass. very nice brass! :) i was just curious to know how difficult it would be to reprime in the field using large pistol primers, since they are half the price of 209 primers.

[@407ForRent]

They ever work like a waxer slug? Does the talo ever hold the shot together so that it hits like a slug?

[@ZorroFox-do9oe]

How many grans of RS powder do you use for 12 gauge and 20 gauge if someone knows it would help me a lot

[@mrpaintballguy100]

thank you so much dave u have teached me alot and you are frieking awesome man

[@MrOnutz]

Great vid....where did you get you gloves that you wearing... are they LLBean? I have been looking for a good pair of gloves to pair with my heavy mittens

[@bryanschaefers356]

Could these brass shells be modified to use a black powder primer as well??

[@BrassCatcher]

Good video aside from the fact bees wax is used in many bullet lube recipes

[@futuresonex]

The reality is it's not really going to make a difference either way in the power of the load. If you are using the small pistol primers and plan to hunt in really cold weather you should use magnum primers though. You'll get more reliable ignition that way.

[@tonymoore2500]

Can you seal with borebutter

[@MarkNovy]

Just got off the phone with Magtech and the idea is being "kicked around" for the 12 ga. brass shells to be machined to accept the 209 primer. The MFG. is wondering if the demand for sales would be there if the tooling were to be done.

[@tylerpienta]

i have a rossi 20 ga. and i wanted to know if loading ammo will be the same at the 12 ga. just less black powder

[@doogoo55]

where did you get the fur bag i want 1

[@MrDaleaaaa]

load it like a musseloading shotgun they use a thin wad to keep everything in the right place

[@depewrob]

how do u think this would work with a 20 ga.

[@BamaBoat]

Hey dave what about rock salt for less than letha

[@93jeepTimma]

Your the man dave

[@jimmyjunkmail]

Another awesome vid!!!

[@siddepoo]

im sure you could. but i would try load something like a waxslug. you can find out more about how to make it all over youtube

[@iwantosavemoney]

this is a great idea am wonder if this this will work with a wax slug if it was done the way that Iraqveteran shows how to do it. with putting the wax and the shot in all together with smaller shot. just an idea great video

[@RenmarStriff]

man I cant find the 2 3/4ths shotshells anywhere! all I get is 2 1/2. Can anyone give me a site or such to find the 2 3/4ths? I'd greatly apreciate it. Love the video and cant wait to try this out myself lol

[@scottiematthews5844]

Can you drill a 16ga. brass shell like the 12ga. for the 209 primer?

[@camerl2009]

dave rember you need to clean brass that was fire with black powder as it will weeken the brass you can clean it the same way you clean you gun with water

[@xdmatt1320]

How many reloads can you get out of 1lb of powder ??

[@otm646]

They won't turn into wax slugs because you're pouring the fat only over the mouth of the case. With a wax slug you mix everything together then pour it in. You could try mixing the fat and the shot together first. I think the fat may be a bit too soft compared to the wax.

[@dlighted8861]

Freaking good patterning on that tin can.

[@bensmith8950]

do i need to use under powder for this?

[@MrPeacerocker]

Can u use triple seven primers if u r using pyrodex

[@MarkNovy]

Dave, will these brass casing and the reloading you do with them, if loaded one at a time work on a pump action 12 ga. like a mossberg 500?

[@93jeepTimma]

Awsome dave awsome

[@tylerpienta]

that ceramic magnet can shatter very easy btw

[@cowboy477989]

@frugalwoodsman Modern powder is measured by weight. Black Powder is measured by volume. Please do your research.

[@MattNificent903]

have you noticed any ill effects over the long term doing this mod??

[@Lavrentizodiac]

it work in a pump action shotgun??

[@stealthyspider]

Great vid. I love em.