The 209 Primer 12GA Adapter

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[@pinocchiocozad1222]

.72 is 12gauge (with modified choke, .69 for patched ball) and around 90 grains. -- since noone else has answered.

[@guskoerner75]

To help you in your calculations there are 7000 grains in a pound. If you shoot 70 grain loads, you'll get about 100 shots. You'd get exactly 100 with no waste.

[@runlevelzer0]

One huge advantage that I see with this is the ease with which you can unload your muzzle loaded weapon if need be. Great job Mr. Canterbury, as usual. Thanks for all that you do for the community.

[@SirThunderPants]

Dave - Several times now I've thought that I have learned all that I can from you. Then you go and teach me something I never knew existed. It is really surprising to me, how much information you have to offer. Thank you sir.

[@johnmelland2093]

A car radio antenna works for ram rod and emergency cleaning rod. I've done it before! Great shotgun adapter too!!!!!! Awesome video!

[@brandonbowerstx]

8 years later and still very applicable.

[@hunter62786]

I would like to see a video where you demonstrate how to load different types of loads. I'm particularly interested in learning about buckshot, buck and ball, and slug loads. A loading chart similar to a reloading manual that lists powder and shot measurements would also be useful.

[@NomadShadow1]

Dave, great idea. Have you considered making the thing a couple of inches longer (the full length of the chamber) so you could load it like a shotshell outside the firearm (removing the need for a long ramrod)? Seems to me like it would be a bit less complicated that way

[@dustinmcpherson6640]

just a little tip for pyrodex, I use a clear ketchup bottle with a cone top like you'd see at a restaurant and you can give it a couple little squeezes and it comes out alot nicer. there only like a buck at walmart for 2 of them and they work great for me

[@11thganter]

Love it. I work for Winchester and have personally made millions of 209 primers. I appreciate your videos and hope you keep them coming. At work we are cranking out ammo as fast as we can, so hopefully the shortage won't last.

[@adameater]

Dave proves again why this is my favorite self-reliance/primitive skills KZbin channel!

[@RamblinAround]

Excellent idea Dave, looks like it works really well.

[@MikeJamesMedia]

Excellent, Dave! Thank you so much for your continued work on these useful adapters. Options are good.

[@ringokidd387]

Awesome! Thanks David Canterbury

[@GunsAreEssential1975]

This is a great idea! Thanks for the video as always Dave! I never knew why I should spend my money on this when I could just reload a shotgun shell until now. The " no tools required" reload makes all the difference in the world! Just when I thought the single shot 12 ga. couldn't get any better..

[@robertlundquist5450]

Excellent timing on the video. Just bought a NEF single shot 12 ga with modified, I say again, modified choke and have ordered the adapter. Hope to play with it next weekend. Thanks!

[@dracobushcraft3523]

Now that is one cool idea. Your point of versatility is really relevant right now. I have a 50 cal muzzle loader but having the ability to shoot shot is really worth while.

[@janrobertbos]

...I thought this was brilliant when I first watched it........................and I still think it is bloody brilliant........thanks Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!

[@SoloCamXTOutdoors]

That is pretty slick... Got to love the 12 gauge... That is a great back up kit.. Love it

[@erikcrytzer5328]

I just got through test firing one of the adapters today. Works great, loaded with suggested powder charge, wax paper wadding and birdshot along with a few loads of buckshot (#4s and some .45 round balls)

[@JayDubz425]

Very cool Dave!! I've been loading my H&R single 12 with spent shotshells and even the all brass shells like you showed in other videos. I'm definitely going I have to get this adapter.

[@byronmiller807]

Big fan love your vids their always helpful and easy to understand really appreciate the variation of information especially for the budget minded Thank you.

[@bigjim379]

Way cool Dave Thanks. I took a Savage Stevens 12 gauge 2 3/4 in had it cut back to 19 inch barrel and a mod screw in choke installed makes a great carry gun. With the plastic stock it really light, kicks like hell though. I would really like to try this black powder adapter. I like some of the other adapters too but gun is only 2 3/4 and they don't fit

[@vonsvinpals]

Thanks for some awesome info! Much love from Sweden !

[@maritimespook]

down and dirty piece of kit Dave thanx for sharing brother !

[@jhippl]

a small folding tent pole makes a great ram rod they store really easy in your shooting bag, you can find them all the time on ripped tents at yard sales/thrift stores any word on making an adapter for an intermediate rifle round like 223 or 7.62x39

[@sargefaria]

I dont wanna be unprofessional and cuss or anything........but that Sir, is why you are the fn man!!!! Love it and getting one for sure. Never cease to amaze me brother, never!

[@akn7able]

I'm sure yall know this but I thought I would pass it along I live on the eastern shore of N.C it's humid as all get out in the summer and I keep my powder in a powder horn I put a few grains of rice in the horn to help cut down on my powder clumping up it doesn't get rid of the problem but it dose help. as always Dave love the videos

[@Cornbread_1776]

oh man, seeing that single shot pardner again, i grew up slingin lead down range out of a pardner exactly like that, that gun can take a beating and throw lead before the barrel warps, good choice Dave !

[@NomadShadow1]

The problem with a shotshell like you said is you need a tool to pop the primer out. I have been contemplating using a full brass shell (the kind like they use for cowboy action shooting) and enlarging the primer pocket a bit to remove the need for the primer tool. I love your videos man, lotsa good info in that noggin of yours :-)

[@robertengland8769]

Thank you for these educational videos. Goes to show I don't know everything about firearms.

[@nickglass12]

The choke is at the end. Some shotguns are threaded on the end & you can screw in different chokes. I keep the different chokes in the stock like some people store extra shells in the stock.

[@aarontolleflatlander6393]

knowledge is power. good job Dave pretty cool

[@TYPHIS4]

Thank you. Very good backup.

[@buffalo1a1]

Hey dave, Would you/could you make a video with a variety of different shot loads? also could you show a buckshot hunt? incase of a survival situation if slugs would not be available. thank you for everything you have been teaching and showing us.

[@firemanwill100]

Dave that is so awesome!!!!

[@davidlee8551]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@frankiepizzurro]

I really want one of these singe shot 12g but I already have a maverick 88. It has a birdshead grip and it’s pretty cool. Just got it back from the evidence vault😂

[@TheKodiak72]

Fantastic product.

[@SwampRatProductions]

Seems LA got lucky....our shelves are fully stocked with all ammo. Slight price increase and purchase limit but almost no price change. Awesome product !

[@popswrench2]

owning several H&R's and a rossi , and having shot slugs i FULLY AGREE with your repeated "MODIFIED CHOKE" . slugs or similar deform too much to be accurate . even with bead only sight , my 20ga is quite accurate to 40yd easily . i havent tried black powder yet , but certainly will be . the Oring is excellent idear to keep a slight seal and prevent blowback .

[@jorgamund07]

Fantastic idea!

[@jamesteffertiller7813]

With a hangfire keep the weapon pointed downrange for at least 10 seconds to avoid a "cookoff" (delayed ignition). I had this happen with a 45/70. The shell went off 7 seconds after I pulled the trigger. Had I ejected it right after misfire it would have detonated in my face.

[@MrLtcslick]

Just ordered me one of those adapters for the old H&R.

[@jginsc]

Great item but I would like for the adapter to be longer so it could be loaded and then inserted into the gun for firing. That way, you could load with a short ram rod. You could also have more than one adapter loaded with different charges.

[@1guyin10]

The H&R single shots do have a transfer bar trigger so it is safe until you draw the hammer back.

[@Vx777infonet]

The point I am trying to make is on a cap, or flint lock the primer is loaded last. This may not be a problem with this setup as you state. The hammer may have a bar over firing pin, such as in fall saftey. Stiil it appears on almost every other muzzle loader the primer would not be active on loading. So again it may not be a problem but it an exception, if it is not a problem.

[@Hondo79]

Great video. Thanks. You just never know.these days when u might need this........

[@arthuredwards8562]

Dave I wish I had bet money with Critter or the other Pathfinders I know that you would have worked on this concept. We seem to have the some thought process, I have an old H&R huntsman in 12 ga and it just seems natural to make an inline breech plug adapter for the regular H&R/NEF shotgun. Whats cool is the forestock from the huntsman will fit a regular H&R giving you a collapsible cleaning/ram rod.

[@docwilkey]

Nice concept!

[@acecamper]

I've used some in .38 and 9mm and the pattern is wild at more than 10 feet. They're marketed for close range rodent or snake elimination. I didn't shoot enough to see any long term effects on my barrels. I would definitely NOT recommend pistol caliber shot shells for hunting our self defense. But they are fun so I would buy some if you're interested.

[@kullcraven]

I just checked them out, they are a rifeld barrel, so would be basically a pistol barrel inside your 12 ga. So you say they are 8 inch long, so would be a 8" pistol barrel so good at like 40 yards kinda thing eh? so the purpose is the versatility of using the ammo you can find? They look like they are like 4 inchs, or are they 8". Im thinking i may purchase one hmm thinking rifled sites may work well if adapted to fit.

[@carolinaprepper540]

love this video. thanks

[@joannevandegrift813]

You CAN shoot slugs out of a full choke. Accuracy MAY be SLIGHTLY affected depending on your individual gun, but there is zero danger involved. The hot lead squeezes right out of the end of the barrel with zero problems whatsoever. I have done it many many times and I know older men who have done it for years and years with no problems. One of the biggest misconceptions I hear about shotguns/choke sizes is that it is dangerous to shoot slugs out of a full choke. People say that you could blow the muzzle apart, or blow the interchangable chokes out of your gun if you have those, or that your gun could just blow up in your face. Completely ridiculous. IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE TO SHOOT SLUGS OUT OF A FULL CHOKE. Please note that i have no experience with shooting Powerbelts or any type of solid copper slugs out of a full choke. I am talking about lead foster-style slugs ie. Remington Sluggers.

[@ewanhamilton1012]

Would you happen to know if this is still safe to use in a 3 and 1/2 inch chamber? I have a NEF Pardner and would love to have one of these. But it doesn't specify on the Short Lane website if it's safe with 3 1/2. Some of them say only 2 3/4 or 3, but the 12 gauge doesn't say either way.

[@BushcraftBuddyO]

Got it Modified choke, Great video.

[@jerryreid6880]

Your awesome Dave. Ill buy two

[@deerslayer303B]

What choke do I need again?? HAHA Seriously though, isn't it .690" Roundball for a 12 Ga.? I have a H&R Single Barrel with a FULL choke that I will get this adapter for and shoot shot. Thanks for the video that product is AWESOME.

[@GoGeronimo]

That is an awesome idea. I have one question. Will it come in 20 gauge as well?

[@Usushdhgsgd]

The website says to max load this adapter with only 80 grains. Is this a misprint or did the specs change?

[@TeamOutlaw17]

Great vid brother

[@GenScinmore]

Dave!!!!

[@acecamper]

What kind of choke? lol I will definitely be picking one of these up to use in the H&R 12 gauge I bought about a year ago on your recommendation. I already have everything else I need because I've been reloading high brass since I saw the long hunter video. Your 12 gauge videos are some of the most valuable to me, and yes I have a modified choke. Thanks so much Dave

[@roho1967]

Hey Dave, I just bought a 209 muzzleloader adaptor from you all, and this is all new for me, but I'm anxious to get started. I'm going to start out easy, and learn the proper way of doing it, before I try a round ball, and I know you don't recommend it but, I was wondering, how many grains of powder do you use for your 12 gauge round ball?? I've been enjoying your videos ever since the beginning, keep em coming.

[@1guyin10]

If you want to do that then just buy some brass shell casings. You could also use this adaptor that Dave is showing and roll your own "cartidges" similar to the musket cartridges used in the Civil War. Just prime, rip the end off the paper catridge, dump the powder in and tamp the rest in behind it.

[@KJRivera1]

i bet the wax paper makes a good moister barrier too. pure genius

[@bhill652]

This is a very intersting product! I know you said that there is no danger of setting off the primer with the hammer down, but even so, is there any reason not to load the shot first with the adapter in place but no primer, and then open the action and insert the shotgun primer?

[@kullcraven]

Dave that is a very cool idea, love the design and the versatility. so you will be selling these on your site in the future, that is correct eh? Um you mentioned about a three step insert to shoot long rifle, 20ga and 44, um does that go the entire length of the barrel, to get accuracy? All sounds very amazing ideas bro. take care and appreciate a reply

[@evildaddyz]

Do one more video with this setup with leaf and maybe stones for shots Please, just want to see how awesome this could be :3

[@markbrown7449]

Miss you not being around dave

[@nathanielrhill]

Great idea Dave and i cannot wait to get my hands on one! Any chance i would be available in .20ga?

[@leschapman6013]

Excellent idea. Awesome vedios. Thank you sir and GOD Bless. 🙏👍😁🦌🦥

[@darrellapthorpe9550]

Can 2 muzzle loader adapters be used together in a double barrell shotgun.

[@MrMattyord]

Great product

[@ffemt602]

Dave, great video as always. 1 question....if you were going to use this to hunt deer or other big game, what kind of load would you use? I know buckshot would be easy to load but how about slugs? What caliber slug would you need?

[@flamedrag18]

if you're using the bore size to figure out how much powder you're using, it's about 100 shots per pound of powder. 7000 grains in a pound, 70-72 grains of powder as per bore size of .729 means 97-100 loads.

[@Captain-Electro]

I wonder what the possibility is of using shotgun brass but taking some sandpaper to the primer hole to make it easier for 209 primer removal and insertion. It certainly wouldn't be as strong as a milled out piece of steel but a po boy might could use it a few times.

[@Jenult]

Awesome, i'll get one of those

[@ra777wow]

I will get one of these adapters .

[@MatteoSixTwentySeven]

That is excellent! Cooler than the invention of sliced bread. I know I'll be getting at least 2 of them!!!

[@DFX2KX]

Yeah, that's why I'm a muzzle-loader guy. Never ended up getting a modern firearm, and with ammunition shortages and whatnot, it's quickly becoming a pointless endeavor. at least with my cap and ball I can make two of the three components I need to shoot. (just need a crucible and mold for the lead, and to make a nice ball mill for the powder) caps are cheap, and I might even see how hard it would be to make them, as well.

[@wildernessfreak81]

That for all the thought you put into ways to adapt things I like that power measure Was that your Idea?

[@nacholibre1962]

10:46 Just a safety point. With a hang fire, it's a good idea to wait 30 seconds or so with the firearm pointing in a safe direction before opening it up.

[@atomiccat2002]

I already just reload Spent Shotgun shells with black powder, and bought some Full brass Shot shells and modified them to take 209 primers

[@steelers90802]

Great product.....SOLD!

[@fizihkull]

Nice! I like it!

[@SurviveTribe]

And when is the adapter coming out? All I can find is the BLACK OUT. Thank you for your time, ideas, and service.

[@WORRO]

Very nice,, I like it!

[@surjracer56]

been checking the shortlane site everyday since the vid and nothing but the longer version with the double o-ring is for sale. when will this adapter be available?

[@WWI1903A1]

What is the life expectancy on the O-ring? Is it a 'standard' size which can readily, accurately, and efficiently be replaced at any local hardware store or is it a proprietary size/thickness?

[@ki4clz]

please reiterate the safety issues with black poweder, if there is an "air gap" between primer and charge or charge and load this can lead to excessive expansion and possible breach explosion, this is why proper seating and sturdy ram rod use are essential to sucessful loads minor point but worth pointing out...

[@mojsmg]

Will this be able to be used in a pump ? It's a very cool product btw. Great job.

[@JonathanJONeill]

Could you take pyrodex to a mortar and pestle to make it have a finer consistency? Or would that be too unsafe to do?

[@SurviveTribe]

Dave, where do you get the shot and can you make a video on cleaning the black powder out of the 12 gauge? Also cam you make a copper pipe measure and sell it on your website? Thank you for your time, ideas and service.

[@terryqueen3233]

Under this was about eight years ago maybe you'll read it and maybe you won't. I've tried the other way that you showed by cutting the plastic off of the brass on the shotgun shell and it works like a charm but you are right about trying to get the primer out. It seems to me that using the adapter that you're using would be much faster loading so as soon as I can I'm going to get me one of those and try it. Thanks Dave you sure have showed me a whole lot about 12 gauge shotguns. I do have one question I hope you might be able to answer. The shotgun that I have is a 1900 old Iver Johnson. I did not know about the modified choke or full choke when I got this moons and moons ago. But I have shot slugs through this with no problem and it says full choke on the barrel period why am I able to do that? Could it be that it's so old and been shot so many times that the full choke part is been blown out of it? I don't know maybe you can answer this question and if you can't that's okay anyway because I know I can shoot slugs out of it. I can also get a dime down the barrel and yet it says full choke. I don't know maybe you do. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! P. S. I doubt I'll get an answer

[@ericjones3146]

Do the instructions say whether you should load the 209 before or after the powder and shot? In another video by a different youtuber demonstrating this same device, he recommends loading the primer after the powder and shot has been loaded. I have always loaded the percussion cap after the powder and projectile have been loaded in my inline, as a safety precaution.

[@sticknstonesbrkbones]

Dave, I don't know a whole lot about gun chokes. What is the title of the video where you describe them? If you don't have one up already could you make one? I think this insert as well as the other inserts that shoot the .22, .38, .45,.44, etc. are an awesome addition to the 12 gauge. One day I will have the money to buy all this cool stuff...I hope.

[@walleyefishinrod3115]

Love the idea Dave. Are you selling the 209 adapter on your school website or do I go to the source. Great idea!!! Thanks....Rod

[@CM102888]

Can you use black powder pellets or do you have to use loose powder?

[@Vx777infonet]

I agree with comments load primer at end of loading. I am sure it was just an oversite or just to show what is happening but agian maybe not, but does not the shell casing eject? If it does it may be hard to load primer at end because would that not disturb packing of shot?