Huge IndyCar Scandal

[@EllaGP22]

RLL were so slow at Nashville that even the FBI had to investigate

[@sennadesillva]

Goodness, I know right? Taking info from other teams and to still be that far off sometimes this year.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

FBI raiding a spec series for UP😅

[@Justin-hj9yq]

🤣

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

😅😅

[@schweckles]

We got an FBI raid on RLL headquarters before GTA VI.

[@ayrton42]

Rossi getting signed by RLL then the team getting shuttered by the FBI shortly after would be THE most Rossi luck possible.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Ouch! Did he actually sign with them?

[@criticalfireant3126]

Damn I thought Diddy somehow gotten into Indycar lol

[@crouchb15]

Rahal-Diddy-Lanigan

[@andrewhaywood1262]

💀

[@Maverick33]

Wouldn't surprise me if there was a connection. I mean, Brian Vickers and his wife were found to be in collusion with Epstein.

[@Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo]

​@@crouchb15 😂😂😂

[@davidvasquez08]

1000 bottles of lube found in Diddy’s house

[@Db_SpaceFace]

Everybody assumes this is an Indycar thing. Both of these teams have IMSA GTP teams, those cars carry substantially more trade secrets than the damper package on an Indycar. I'm not saying this to disparage Indycar (I'm a diehard, I don't actually enjoy sports cars), but that would seem more logical to me, that it's IMSA GTP secrets that have been stolen.

[@ther8764]

Well said this dude is like EVERY OTHER “ media member “

[@rolux4853]

Yes, Indycar technology is basically available to every engineering student, but GTP/Hypercar are much further advanced and especially the individual powertrains are very guarded since thats the thing the manufacturers solely develop themselves.

[@bern7851]

Andretti got Congress involved with the F1 fiasco. Now they got the FBI involved with this. Andretti isn’t pulling any punches.

[@Ryzard]

The United States of Andretti

[@StevenG122175]

Michael using his MAGA connections to bring the boom to Rahal

[@Maverick33]

I'm surprised Andretti didn't win that war against the current F1 team owners. Since Liberty Media is a US based company that pretty much owns F1 Group and has to answer to US Congress. I guess US officials couldn't find anything too hard hitting enough for F1 Group to change their minds. If I was Andretti, I'd go to NATO and UN now. Cause Liberty Media, F1 Group and team owners have to be in violation of something. I mean, why is F1 Group pushing so hard into the Middle East??? Are they in collusion with all the bad groups???

[@RabidJohn]

My thoughts exactly, except Andretti isn't even throwing punches; they've asked the school bully to do it for them.

[@Tampabay-m3x]

That’s a strong accusation without any facts.

[@TS0713]

Free David Land Also that Andretti guy had to have been giving RLL fake info because it did not help lmao...

[@debdrake6786]

If Rahal is as fast as they've been (not) with stolen parts, I'd hate to see where they'd run without them.

[@HH78711]

I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@2639theboss]

Supposedly RLL was planning on using tires from the Flintstones before the crime.

[@bartsullivan4866]

@@2639theboss Funny :)

[@WWade-cm8hx]

@@debdrake6786 Stealing ideas is one thing. Knowing what to do with them is another.

[@stymiesnerdly771]

The Hoosier Dome wasn’t paid off until 2020. It opened in 1984 and was demolished in December 2008. It took an additional 13 years after the building was gone to be paid in full. Maybe the FBI can investigate that theft of taxpayer funds while they’re in town.

[@testicat8462]

Pro RCA Dome!

[@bobespirit2112]

That’s not a theft of funds. It’s standard practice - you have to carryover and pay any remaining mortgage balance, regardless of the current status of the structure. The structure would have never been built if not for those unpaid funds being supplied upfront. But they have to be paid back. Just simple banking business.

[@CardinalMB9]

Of all the ways to kick off the Indycar offseason this was certainly one of them

[@bigjon9188]

So basically, it's what happened between Ferrari and McLaren in F1 back in like 2008 or 2009

[@McLMP4-22]

It was 2007. That scandal disqualified McLaren from the Constructors’ Championship, a title we should’ve won that year. It also cost McLaren the biggest fine in the history of all sports, $100,000,000. As you can probably tell I’m still not over it 17 years later 😅

[@brawndothirstmutilator5863]

No F1 are not spec cars. That guy stole the hole car blueprints. This is a case of setup all Indy cars are the same.

[@bigjon9188]

@brawndothirstmutilator5863 I know. I'm just saying there Similar

[@rhodrage]

​@@McLMP4-22there's a guy on reddit with the same name and image as you, is that you?

[@McLMP4-22]

@@rhodrage no. My Reddit image is the 2010 MP4-25 (the F-Duct car), my KZbin image is the 2007 MP4-22 (ironically the centre of the Spygate controversy). So no, we’re not the same despite the similarities.

[@bkbaughn]

I've never seen or hear about so many FBI raids than I have in the last few years....

[@cpcxgsr]

you never "seen" or "hear" about the raids doesn't mean they don't happened. It's all done behind the scenes. Not all of them are broadcast live on tv or on the news. Only the high profile ones.

[@ILSRWY4]

@@cpcxgsr I think that was his point....

[@gregj831]

Shouldn't the FBI be kicking down the doors of soccer moms at 3AM!

[@bob8776]

@@gregj831yeah if soccer moms are selling defense secrets to the Chinese or committing massive tax fraud. The local yokels are usually the ones breaking down doors at the wrong house with all their swat gear that they’re horny to use

[@edg.6163]

David. The IP did not have to do with the car at all, it very well might have been IP relating to the support equipment, such as timing stand electronics, software or algorithms to help with strategy, or tools, test hardware or software, or shop equipment. Anything that the team develops that is not public knowledge is considered IP.

[@bdavis24fan]

The only time I can think of the FBI raiding something related to racing was the whole DC Solar thing. It didn't involve Chip Ganassi but it did have a ripple effect on his Xfinity team and basically lost Ross Chastain a ride. This is a whole other level when it involves a race team itself.

[@tda024]

Basically the Catalyst of him leaving NASCAR all together

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Going back a bit, you had the IMSA int he 80s, first the Beauty Queen Killer And then, the whole 1984 Blue Thunder team. Randy Lanier, though I could be wrong and may be thinking of the DEA given just how he was funding his lifestyle but quite a lot of articles say the FBI were hunting him down

[@TJRoss7000]

@@tda024 that and having no choice to release Kyle Larson, that team literally went into oblivion after Larson left

[@tda024]

@@TJRoss7000 Exactly

[@MrBertstare]

@@jacekatalakis8316 which one was the story about the race team landing drug planes at road Atlanta

[@wallysmith5693]

If that employee took Andretti secrets it sure didn't work. Rahal was awful on the track unfortunately

[@scott_johnson_]

Engineers take secrets with them from team to team all the time. That’s not illegal, in fact it’s why engineers are often hired from other teams. This would have to involve theft of some physical data or products. Like stealing an actual damper. It would seem like a very technical and difficult thing to prove.

[@markhamilton7059]

@@scott_johnson_ Probably why they are looking at computer files. If RLL has Andretti computer files (CAD, specs, setup info, etc.) they are toast. Engineers are hired for their knowledge and abilities. If they bring their software or hard copies, that's theft. And there may be NDAs involved too.

[@scott_johnson_]

@@markhamilton7059 i would imagine they know some setups by heart by now since they used the same specs for so many years now but agreed if they took AA files that would be theft of IP potentially.

[@DaleMeese]

The only way the FBI would get involved is if someone from the team complained at a school board meeting.

[@marks5757]

So you’re not getting any rahal interviews for awhile/forever

[@DavidLand91]

Well, seeing as I spoke to their drivers at Nashville, I'd say this is a Bobby beef not a team beef. Which is fine.

[@PaperBanjo64]

My question is how could David Land piss off Bobby Rahal!?

[@thebigguy5590]

I’m sure federal prison has accommodating visiting hours.

[@mikehergenroether6160]

@@DavidLand91 I feel like Robin Miller would've been blocked by a few owners in the 90s had Twitter been a thing.

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@@mikehergenroether6160probably, and by Tony George for sure!

[@thembanjoko2844]

Spygate 2.0 - Indycar Edition

[@cpcxgsr]

always thought Indycar was a "spec" series. All the teams are running the same components.. Other than the engines. What's there to "steal"? Other than parts?

[@ILSRWY4]

@@cpcxgsr David explained it... teams have complete control over shocks (dampers) and suspension set ups... teams can even produce their own suspension pieces including the shocks.. There could be millions of dollars worth of innovations in that area that could have been stolen by this employee..

[@cpcxgsr]

@@ILSRWY4 sorry missed the entire segment where he was talking about that. David’s dialogue is long and drawn out. I was just skimming through his video. But was reading up on it throughout the day. The news never mentioned what was “stolen”. But good to know that teams can produce their own suspension components. Makes sense if you have a rat that was able to steal IP and Rahal and Co was able to profit off of it

[@AbrahamArthemius]

​@@cpcxgsrIndyCar alongside Super Formula in Japan are what i will describe as a "Semi-spec" series. They may have the same chassis but there are variations or leeway in the engine and suspensions department. A true "spec" series is your F2, F3, F4, FR, etc where all the components are the exact same and the only differentiation is the team's setup. Though to be fair, that Mecachrome V6 inside F2 cars are such a joke.

[@tylerensminger]

Who would have thought this year couldn't get any crazier. Wow is all that I can say

[@username69420h]

ain't no sunshine when Indy's gone, and it's always gone too long every time it goes away

[@llornkcor8880]

I know

[@username69420h]

@@llornkcor8880 I know

[@stever7000]

Whatever the stole from Andretti was crap. RRL has sucked for the past 2 years I have not seen any improvement this year

[@gregj831]

Exactly! Neither of teams is competitive.

[@d.d.7287]

How they gonna steal (allegedly) Andrettis IP but barely get Graham in the field for the 500? 😅

[@scoobyruuuu]

Damn bro you got blocked by Bobby Rahl lol.... Yet to cheat and still suck is pretty impressive on their behalf.

[@thebigguy5590]

RLL might be trading their race suits in for orange jumpsuits. At least it will be easy for competitors to see them on pit road.

[@inglewoodwhb]

Based on Graham's constant "the car just won't pull" comments after every qualifying, it's clear they didn't steal any gearbox setups.

[@ic3man]

Marcus Armstrong to MSR’s 66 Let us give Marcus Armstrong some support during a time of that news getting buried in drama from a different team

[@scottmcneely1927]

How about we give Linus Lundqvist some support to get a good ride somewhere, since he is the better driver of the two Ganassi downsized.

[@ic3man]

@@scottmcneely1927 I don’t know if I agree with him being better than Armstrong but he’s definitely got a high ceiling. I hope he gets a full seat somewhere other than Juncos or Dale Coyne

[@wilburshaw9330]

Is it a crime to impersonate a Racing Team? Maybe that’s it…..

[@shaggysocal]

Safe bet the IP theft wasn't Andretti Global's Indy 500 qualifying setups.

[@johnjettfothergill4231]

@shaggysocial Or, how I (Andretti Global) entered F1 without anybody noticing.

[@tedhalpin4532]

David, you do a phenomenal job! Thank you for explaining what is happening. All The Best!

[@stevenkilsdonk2046]

Kevin Cogan's revenge finally arrives

[@McLMP4-22]

It only took 38 bloody years.

[@LukSter18998]

@@McLMP4-22lol

[@andyhamilton8940]

“ That damned Koogan!” -AJ Foyt

[@briantaylor9285]

Yooooooo LMAO

[@billgulker6187]

Horrible. Will be interesting what evidence was gathered to justify the investigation. My guess is Andretti, like many companies, tracks information taken off company owned computers. I’m guessing they identities IP leaving Andretti computers.

[@brettjones8239]

A former employee of the Andretti Global IndyCar team, who left the team to join RLL in a senior engineering role, and the alleged transfer of intellectual property from their former team to their current team.

[@racerdad6455]

DL with the breaking news covered very professionally once again. Love your channel, keep up the great coverage🏁

[@RoxChaseDi9]

Only 4 days into the offseason Lmfaoooo what The Bloody hell..

[@dsnodgrass4843]

This is a squabble between two corporations, that doesn't harm the public in any way. It should be a matter for civil courts.

[@parker838]

This feels like DC Solar 2.0

[@alanluscombe8a553]

It’s different in every way. Literally the only similar thing is the fbi. They are there for very different reasons

[@jamesstetz9884]

Same…

[@BookwormSkates]

I think you should be highlighting “trade secrets” not counterfeit parts, as that’s likely the case.

[@PaperBanjo64]

The racing this season has been for the most part has been spectacular, Milwaukee and Nashville had great attendance but all the headlines are either about off track scandals or Mark Miles saying something stupid.

[@jamesstetz9884]

Which he does often

[@TheQuinto2010]

I wonder if the Andretti team saw something on the RLL cars they shouldn't of had....

[@txinterceptor8428]

As soon as this news broke I started waiting for your video about it. Thanks for delivering!

[@sams-pg7hj]

did RLL hire Randy Lanier? is he back to his old ways?

[@andrewesau51]

Gotta hide the boats.

[@jamesstetz9884]

LOL you win the internet today!

[@andyhamilton8940]

JP Senior back from hiding?

[@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON]

Randy went the legal weed route. Oh I miss the good old days of dope smuggling teams.

[@sams-pg7hj]

@@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON weed was super illegal back then...... and then he got finallly caught with cocaine

[@lewiskemp5893]

David you are the only source for Indy I go to. Keep doing a great job and go Larson. Yes Im an old Hendrick employee.😂 I'm also an Earnhardt fan so a bigwig at Hendrick asked me if I liked Dale and a Hell Yes followed by a week later he gave me a photo of Dale sitting on Santa Claus lap !!!!! I think it was in NY 1994 at the banquet. He was in a suit with that huge ring on his finger

[@confuse3671]

Is the search warrant public? It should list exactly what crime RLL is accused of.

[@jaxonjaxoff3291]

I immediately called bullshit considering how awful RLL had been of late.

[@ryanschroeder5200]

I mean true, though that doesn't mean intellectual property was stolen..... RLL may just be that bad they had no idea how to use it 😅 Seems pretty minimal in the world today so hopefully it's not a long drawn out thing.

[@Hammerhead547]

It may have nothing to do with "stolen parts" within the context of items being stolen from another team. It could very well be that someone at RLL pulled an Andrea Moda and was committing fraud against one of the teams suppliers by paying with bad checks or outright refusing to pay but putting the invoices into the system marked as "paid in full".

[@masseyhemenway2657]

well, as a 21 year veteran of law-enforcement, I can tell you the FBI does not arbitrarily. Read anyone for any reason and federal judges don't sign search warrants arbitrarily for the FBI for any reason.

[@jjmckay6man1]

you must not have been paying attention to the last 9 years of the Russia Russia Russia investigations and wire tapping illegally of the Trump Campaign lol. Or raiding Journalists for a Diary that was left behind at a prior residence that the FBI claimed was stolen. Ashley Biden Diary. Or the Hunter Biden laptop story that the FBI said was Russian disinformation. A Iie. I could type out a novel with all the illegal things the FBI and Judges have been involved in. I'm sure you are just another 21 year veteran cop, corrupt to the core oath violator to defend the FBI.

[@gregking7926]

If the engineer brought "Stolen" proprietor property without Rahal knowing then they should be fine. It will be embarrassing for sure but if the owners were clueless/ unaware they should be okay from prosecution

[@I_Evo]

Do we know if Andretti went straight to the FBI or tried to resolve this matter via the racing series? I take it there must be some sort of dispute resolution between teams as part of the rules and regulations of IndyCar. Going to the police/FBI really seems like the nuclear option and not a good look for anyone.

[@scsmith4604]

Yeah, this is something that this series really does not need right now.

[@Corew1n]

Andretti did not engage with the Series on this at all. Straight to the FBI / criminal complaint.

[@Corew1n]

@@robbiddlecombe8392 the source is; this not being brought to anyone's attention at all before we're getting news articles about an FBI raid. IndyCar leaks like crazy, Pruett would have included something about getting word of this sooner, if not outright putting an article out months ago if IndyCar was handling this internally.

[@Corew1n]

@@robbiddlecombe8392 my source? How about the Series being a massive leak factory? There is no way in hell a juicy scoop like "a team is claiming another team stole some shit" wouldn't find Marshall Pruett or Tony Donahue's ears within 10 seconds. The fact we've heard nothing and that Pruett speaks of no prior knowledge essentially guarantees that Andretti did not engage with the Series to arbitrate this.

[@jonknick3723]

Maybe that is the best direction to go. (Going around the series) It helps prevent the series from possibly covering anything up.

[@ARM317]

Dang, imagine running donkey in the field and the FBI comes knocking on your door?? F. I wonder if this is isolated to the Indy Car program or could be sports car related also?

[@michaelmartz8426]

I can't wait to see how this story turns out. It may take years, but it will be a fun ride.

[@evansuggs]

The heavy handed nature of an FBI raid would likely imply that there was a fear that RLL would not cooperate or would destroy evidence. Also, this couldn't have been all over a missing setup sheet. There has to be some pretty compelling evidence that a bunch of data and or hardware was transferred by the former employee or from Andretti control.

[@KPDigitalTravel]

Wait, an I suppose to believe they spent money, hired people, and broke the law...and the outcome was making the cars worse?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Like Hank Hill says if you're gonna do something wrong at least do it right!

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

Or maybe, maybe... Graham Rahal is just not good.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@Ultimate23Dragon I think he's washed, he was a regular front runner up until 2018. He's just washed up.

[@jamesstetz9884]

I hear he showers daily

[@caprad]

...almost as if the government decided to field a race team...spend money...worse results

[@testicat8462]

Man why can’t they let the teams have free reign on building cars again like back when we had the diesel roadster and turbine car

[@rexthewolf3149]

Do you want Penske to build another beast and lap the field, because that’s what will happen.

[@DavidLand91]

Yes

[@JonDoe-ln6nl]

Money, money, money.

[@tmscheum]

If that happened nobody would watch and they’d effectively be killing the sport (even more).

[@freedom6919741]

Another reason to solidify that RLL sucks.

[@BearDown69420]

Ip is federal interstate commerce so it falls into fbi jurisdiction it’s that complicated

[@rexthewolf3149]

You’d be surprised how many people don’t understand how their government operate.

[@shredhead4604]

Wow they’re screwed unfortunately, and I hate to say that but what driver would want to step into that mess, even though we know their are plenty who would because they’d never be given a shot like this had Rahal not been in trouble with FBI. Andretti not playin.

[@robclinton9249]

How about Software? Rahal has been worse since hybrid if that is possible.

[@jimmy_styx7463]

"The Federal Government ain't here to help." Best summary of the US Govt. there, hope that the innocent workers aren't effected by this.

[@gnnascarfan2410]

Ah the classic Reaganism… “Anything the government does is automatically evil” 🙄

[@richardpare3538]

Lands speculation about this having something to do with Dampers only goes to show how little he knows about these cars,and how little regard he has for someone who is totally innocent - getting this video out to get revenue-generating clicks is more important to him.

[@ClintSnakeHipsNoname]

I'm sorry I'm having trouble comprehending. Is this what mine and everyone else's tax dollars are going toward?

[@rogerpenske2411]

Enough with the goofball rules. Open up to any chassis, suspension, steering, engine, and especially tires. Also allow different engines: diesel, hybrid, hydrogen, nitro injection, winkle, and turbine.

[@patrickracer43]

Bobby Rahal and David Letterman: "I'm be fresh as hell if the feds watching"

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

So basically a Spygate 2007 situation?

[@deano2278]

Somebody beat me to a Randy Lanier joke !

[@michaelwhite278]

The FBI isnt exactly the pinnacle of integrity.

[@masseyhemenway2657]

Oh yes, they are

[@bobdavidsonm.d.7214]

​@ma 1:46 sseyhemenway2657 No they aren't. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@tomsmith5216]

​@@masseyhemenway2657I bet you believe in unicorns, too...

[@jjmckay6man1]

@@masseyhemenway2657 you are a clown and most likely corrupt as well. 21 year veteran of violating your oath I'd bet on that!

[@johnvirga6181]

said a moron

[@Dreded100]

So how long until HyVee announces they are going with Lundgaard to McLaren?

[@bryonkidder6199]

Bobby Rahal blocked you before you even made a KZbin video about the raid?...lol

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

Not to mention it looks like Bobby's account is private.

[@f1jones544]

Bobby Rahals, the famous business major...

[@CYMotorsport]

Reminds me almost verbatim of how the Jeff Luhnow situation played out upon his transition from the Cards to the Astros. This was precisely when Mejdal and Luhnow championed STOUT metrics and the Astros got VERY good especially their farm system. The FBI got involved because of a tech breach into their proprietary system. Motorsport is full of proprietary data and algorithms. If there’s any hint of significant monetary advantages, there’s an understandable fiduciary obligation to intervene. And from what I remember, mr Luhnow just gave his password to the wrong party. It wasn’t a particularly impressive hack. Having followed spygate very closely then this Cards/astros scandal uniquely as well, I’ve always been shocked this doesn’t happen in motorsports a lot more. My own speculation but there’s almost no doubt it’s an improper data access situation. I assume it touches multiple parties as well to be so sprawling. Maybe tyre manufacturing etc. regardless, def a weird one. Thanks for covering will keep an eye on it

[@jenko109]

Spygate 2: hybrid boogaloo

[@mike95826]

This goes on all time. The teams are ALLWAYS accusing their competitors of spying or cheating or something. It is part of the politics of sports.

[@davidholmer6099]

This definitely isn’t a good look for RLL, but it’s still likely this is an isolated incident confined to one lone engineer. Assuming IP was stolen from AG, if RLL can show they were unaware of their employee’s actions they may be in the clear. I don’t fault AG for contacting the FBI. If you suspect you may have been the victim of white collar crime, you contact the FBI.

[@BjRenton]

I think its a trade secrets issues and i think it going to come out. It happened to the st. Louis Cardinals or Houston Astros a few years ago.

[@speed6725]

This is going to cost RLL big time. In more ways than one

[@scott1krr431]

While I do understand that for some people yesterday was the worst day of their life… The feds were there on behalf of the party that was harmed. So YES they ARE there to help someone. Just not the people who business they were in yesterday.

[@shawnwat5536]

It is easy to figure out how it is going to end. A large number of lawyers will get richer.

[@TJAMES19831]

But shouldn't engineers be placed on garden leave? Like Newey in F1.

[@DougieFresh765]

If Hyvee were smart. They'd put their money on PATO and the McLaren team. Let's be real here guys.... I never watched Indycar... or David Land before Freddy Alonso and that orange Honda powered beast blew up at the Indy 500 in 2017

[@markhamilton7059]

Maybe Hy-Vee going to Foyt is why Foyt does not need a pay driver next year?

[@erik_moenart]

Assuming this investigation goes somewhere, do you think this might delay the beginning of the charter system in INDYCAR?

[@ajwinslow1]

Michael started the season ranting about Penske cheating and finished by telling the teacher on RLL. He's kinda like Mario without the credibility. Whats next? Is he going to blame the popoff valve for a poor qualifying session? I'm still waiting for the disqualification/suspension's from his team rigging Hertas hybrid system to work in pit lane!

[@samuelescalante749]

“Dammit Bobbeh”

[@f1jones544]

I doubt this is related, but the Rahals have always seemed to have a chip on their shoulder about the Andrettis. The rivalry resumes.

[@PaperBanjo64]

No offense but the Andrettis were more talented, Bobby had all the talent in that family at least most of it, but Mario, and Michael and John Andretti were all good drivers.

[@markhamilton7059]

@@PaperBanjo64 Absolutely.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@markhamilton7059 even Marco almost won his first attempt at the Indy 500...after his stint in SRX I think he'd been better suited in NASCAR.

[@f1jones544]

@@PaperBanjo64 totally agree. That chip has always been a product of some sort of inferiority complex IMO.

[@MrBilliam29]

I'm sure someone has already said this, but isn't it possible this could all be on the IMSA side of the respective operations and not Indycar?

[@tomvernia8499]

What was that Rahal recently said about integrity and such ??

[@markhamilton7059]

I forget that! Good point:)

[@Michael-gu5kl]

This is NOT good and I wonder how much trouble they can get in with this if they are in trouble?

[@jstoli996c4s]

Andretti doing a big one-up on McLaren with the use of legal action

[@paulmccourt6185]

Did no one learn from the McLaren vs Ferrari in the early 2000's

[@garyglanz403]

This is my opinion. There is no such thing as an intellectual theft unless you've got a patent. My uncle, in the 1950s, found that out. People are hired for their knowledge. I dont believe in conspiracies, but more is going on here.

[@kurtsaintangelo]

Obviously, 1) the intellectual property from Andretti was nearly worthless, and 2) Rahal Letterman made NO beneficial use of this property.

[@markhamilton7059]

Those are two different things. RLL has been hiring - and losing - engineers for years. I don't think they are capable of using good info.

[@ramblinman4197]

I did not have this on my offseason bingo card.

[@happygster922]

Disagree about not solving problems part. This is similar to the Houston Astros and St Louis Cardinals a few years back. From Wikipedia: "Chris Correa, former St. Louis Cardinals scouting director, was permanently banned on January 30, 2017, for his role in hacking the Houston Astros' scouting database to provide the Cardinals with a competitive edge in scouting. The Cardinals were also ordered to pay the Astros $2 million in restitution, and forfeited their top two picks in the 2017 draft to the Astros. Correa was later sentenced to 46 months in prison for unauthorized access of a protected computer, thus becoming the first person to be incarcerated for activities that resulted in a ban from the game."

[@alistairarchibald1312]

of course he's got a bucees shirt on lol. CAN WE GET ONE IN INDY PLEASE

[@mjgillespie91]

This like spygate in f1 years ago between McLaren and Ferrari?

[@maxairauto1]

Personal opinion if they were using this information and cheating it should have some points penalty if it can be proved. As RLL barely made leader circle this year and should not get that monetary benefit if they cheated.

[@Rebelscum320]

Spygate Indycar version?

[@atomichound1868]

Sounds like a raid on Newgarden’s push to pass button is forthcoming.

[@MrBestshot33]

Andretti and Rahal have hated each other for decades.

[@mikehergenroether6160]

I suspect this is a trade secret issue and we'll find out how high up knowledge of this issue went in the Rahal chain of command. I'm hoping someone at Rahal sounded the alarm, prompting the investigation. I suspect that is not the case.

[@markhamilton7059]

RLL hired the Andretti (Senior) engineer for reasons. I think Bobby/Graham knew all about it. Or should have.

[@bradrock7731]

Never been a fan of Bobby as a team owner & can't stand Letterman. This could be fun.

[@MrHappyMickey]

I can't even name any "senior engineer" that left Andretti to join RLL recently

[@Tampabay-m3x]

Bobby did you a favor by blocking you on Twitter. He created more exposure for you than a ton of advertising could have accomplished.

[@Twinspinner]

I feel like Indycar is trying to take notes from NASCAR in how to get more eyeballs on the sport lol

[@PaperBanjo64]

At least NASCAR hasn't had government involvement in 4 years...all the controversy there has been around on track related.

[@T.N.D.88]

​@@PaperBanjo64 And how many agents were involved over a garage door pull? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@PaperBanjo64]

@T.N.D.88 10? I can't remember, and even the FBI said it was just a garage pull