CHANG CHILI CRUNCH DRAMA AND RIP TORIYAMA

[@NerosEdits]

I love hearing the producer laugh. Shit catches me off guard

[@VRSanctum]

I think the issue is that crisp and crunch are two commonly used words with definitions that can used interchangeably. My opinion is that you can't compare that to Kleenix, Xerox, or McMuffin since those are unique brand names (words you can't find in a dictionary) that have been synonymous with their respective products over time due to great marketing. An equivalent of the David Chang issue, would be if a company picked two words out of a dictionary and trademarked products such as "paper tissues" or "muffin sandwich." What David Chang should have done was trademark "Momofuku Chili Crunch" and not solely "Chili Crunch."

[@to4217]

this is the comment i was looking for. David talking about Crunch as if its some highly unique name to come up with and comparing that to the likes of Xerox and Kleenex didnt make sense.

[@ifeelikerain]

The real tragedy is people paying 15 bucks for chili oil (fly by jing) 😂

[@bethnichols2875]

Thank you for the added in info, David. Good discussion. And always nice seeing Ed on the show with you.

[@jasonlee0290]

My dad LOVED Dragon Ball because a lot of our parents were fascinated with 손오공 (Korean for Sun Wukong for those who don't know) probably in their history class in their school. Sometimes he randomly plays the Korean version of the opening theme song lol. Dragon Ball has gone through 3 generations from young boys to even old men. Akira Toryiama is a LEGEND!

[@hellohi1925]

Dragon ball is my favorite Chinese story with a twist. Goku is wukong

[@alexyummmy]

I know people in the restaurant PR/marketing world and I am not surprised at all about hearing this about David Chang. I'd rather give my energy in supporting kind and humble people like Roy Choi.

[@Amaxinh]

I understand wanting to protect your brand but chili crunch isn’t unique enough like mcmuffin or kleanix. Even then trademarks that fall into that genericization can be revoked

[@to4217]

Thank you. Momofuku is the brand name. Theres no need to trademark Chili Crunch since theres bound to be tons of others using it when you def didnt come up with it.

[@easyteh4getperson]

i've never used "chili crisp" lol i use "chili oil" even tho it's mostly chili. i never even knew laoganma printed it on the bottle. and vietnam is the next outsourced animation hotspot.

[@Nicole-tk8xv]

love being able to unwind and listen to this podcast

[@pinkteddy21]

Omg the segment talking about our Korean parent forcing us to go to school despite our health, sooo relateable! I've still gone to school when I was covered in poison ivy from head to toe (I have classroom photos lmao), with ringworm on my face (yes! My face), stomach flu, bad cases of flu, you name it. And I'll get escorted to the nurse's office and have my mom called in and reprimanded that I can't be going to school in this state lmao. My mom and I can laugh about it now bc its been so long and she's mellowed out as she's aged, so she knows that she should've handled it differently. Only saving grace, though, was if I was throwing up. That was a guaranteed stay home excuse that worked on her haha

[@lueisadude]

Chili crunch chili crisp? Originally I thought it was called chili oil?

[@JulioBreckwichMendoza]

Original Chile crunch is salsa macha, a Mexican oil based chile oil. The creator Susie Hojel sued traders joes for using the name “Chile onion crunch” and she prevailed. Later she sued David Chang for using “Chile crunch “ and he decided to buy her trademark. Chile crisp is Chinese but Chile crunch is salsa macha, a Mexican chile oil

[@ifeelikerain]

Huh no one I know says "chili crunch" everyone says "chili crisp"

[@Basedphantom]

The Toriko mention honestly gave me whiplash, never hear anyone talk about it.

[@saiixceela]

Wait David please don't shut down Lookism. The animation isn't finished yet and it ended on a cliffhanger, which is why I understand your point. I read the manhwa (ongoing) and the moral of the story is to show how ugly our society sets standards of beauty. Later on, the ML starts to realize that looks isn't all that and how his "friends" aren't really good. He starts to love his OG self and even starts to have a sense of self. It's an amazing story about self worth and self love. I'm hoping they continue the animation because it has such a unique story

[@Papaya-Dood]

Couldn’t have said it any better tbh ^^^^^ I’m currently reading the webtoon & it’s probably one of the best stories I read in a very long time. The anime plot doesn’t even scratch the surface of it imo.

[@ShinParkFFXIV]

Imo the manhua lost me on its story . from high school , gangsters, to random superpower shit, I stopped after the workers arc .

[@maiwey9764]

love your podcasts brother, been listening for around 2 years and i hope you continue doing them

[@johngocong1734]

I genuinely appreciate the cut and info interjected at 4:55m/s of the podcast. I personally agree with your open minded perspective and correctness. For some reason this topic still bothers me, but I really appreciate this. It reminds me to stay open minded to what is actually happening.

[@elstepeeno23]

23:02 Ed I had the exact same pain you were describing and it turned out I had an enlarged appendix which got removed, so please get it checked before it bursts :/

[@hadiza1]

I actually didn't notice the animation on Invincible it looked great to me! Just glad it's getting another season....

[@MrLucky5001]

41:05 who would win? this character or that character? people can argue all they want, but in the end it's up to the author/writers to decide. any character can defeat any character, if that's how it's written.

[@HN-fb6md]

Notice how you can talk about anime allll day! Lol the power. David was like we ran outta time.

[@eazzycheesy6642]

McMuffin is not comparable with this chili crunch fiesta, you call tell McDonald’s brand by McDonald’s ‘Mc+food’ format, and where is David Chang’s personal tag in ‘Chili Crunch’? Plus, crunch, crisp whatever, what’s the major difference? We all know it’s just a game of words, trying to trademark it is like that reaction KZbinr trying to copystrike every other KZbinrs who tried to do reaction video, f-ing ridiculous.

[@tomlee7091]

I'ma just say this it's been a while since I commented but we need a Ed Park VP, Julia Chow, David so Genius Brain Podcast of you three talking about animation. Like favorite series, movies animation in general. It doesn't matter what country it's coming from. Also we need Boze back.

[@pingpong5877]

I remember having a VHS on one of the Dragon Ball films that was Hmong dubbed. It was not good.

[@GrimM0nk3y]

As a kid from the ages of 8-10, I used to charge up before a fight like in DragonBall then I got jumped and never did it again

[@hueyyang10]

I actually really enjoy a lot of animes/cartoons because of the different art styles and animations. So hesring you guys not feeling a certain IP because of animation is very informative in a way. I would say try looking into smaller animes with smaller whole stories instead of these long ass shonen ones. The small ones tell such a good damn story with beautiful animations.

[@wm6549]

David So is so stupid. The problem is that chili crunch is too descriptive to trademark. Chang is bullying these small businesses because he knows these people don't have to resources to fight his company.

[@shsueh21]

Goddamn these korean Davids

[@Ffoo_ffighter]

I'm Korean and these guys are a disgrace

[@DamnAwesome]

Akira Toriyama is the goat! May he rest in peace.

[@mb_249]

David, how is Hunter x Hunter similar to One Piece? When I think back on both animes I can't immediately see a similarity other than both being shonen

[@Milly56]

If the convo is flowing, feel free to go over an hour!

[@DavidSoComedy]

It’s based on how long I booked the space lol shits expensive lol!

[@margiebella760]

I feel the same with Chef Rick Bayless and Mexican food. That foo knows waaaaaaay more about Mexican food than I do, and I'm Mexican. My mom adjusted Mexican recipes to fit my dad's taste palate.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Great watch as always 👊🏿💥

[@slapdatbutton8931]

Small disagreement on your take about Lookism. I haven't watched the anime, but I read the webcomic on Naver's Webtoon app for a few years. Lookism is kind of a criticism on how looks focused South Korea is. Whether it does a good job or not is debatable lol. There are themes I believe it does a good job on, but there are others where the lessons were forgettable, or I didn't know enough about the topic to know if it was good or not. I dropped the webcomic because it evolved into a highschool gang war type story.

[@YannaeYannae]

Does anyone know the name of this manga documentary on youtube?

[@HH_Julius]

The loser becoming the hero is the basis for most anime. Good to see David knows his anime though 😎

[@azntimmy1235]

Genius brain anime podcast episode? Take my money!!!

[@kikithekaka]

Yo David, what’s the brand of the sweater you have on?

[@prittybetchy]

Spent my childhood watching anime. Dragonball was forced upon me by my brothers because that's all they would like to watch. It was really eye opening to see how many artists and writers Toriyama inspired, like Kishimoto and Oda. RIP Toriyama ❤ Also the funniest shit that came out of this news was the hoax that the cartel called for a ceasefire to honor his death bc Mexicans lovvee DBZ and the fact that some people believed it 😂

[@salmahernandez3142]

I thought the reason for Invincible's animation was because it was to look '00s western superhero-esque just sharper Also Lookism is batshits crazy - it starts with popularity and goes into gang turf wars. If you are a fam of Fast&Furious this is your jam!!! Out of all the web tools I'm still waiting for HIVE to be animated

[@escaflownia2]

The episode on The Last of Us was great to listen to. I wonder if you and Ed might do another one for the new Fallout show. Video game adaptions are coming out the ass as of late and it's always interesting to see of they're going to try to appeal to the the fanbase it's cultivated or try and push it to mainstream media and somehow butcher the source material as so many have done before. If you guys haven't played it before, it'd be an interesting discussion to listen to.

[@tucfang2577]

That's what I've been saying about this whole chili crunch situation. I thought everybody called it chili crisp and thought I was having a Mandela effect type thing. I remember falling into a little bit of a rabbit hole on tiktok maybe 6 months or so ago where I saw a lot of chili crisp vids. Everybody called in chili CRISP. Calling it chili crunch seems legally distinct enough to get a trademark on it IMO. And it seems like everybody is tricking themselves and lying to themselves that Chang was trying to trademark a broad term like the Fine Bros trying to own "React." This situation seems a lot different than that situation.

[@jame254]

one word Gintama! best satire to date

[@artofdon]

what lookism is at the start is nothing of what its like later lol, it turns into a kkangpae manga lol and wtf david are you watching the old hunter x hunter or the new one. the new one animation is good o.O

[@rousseau327]

I find it strange that people aren't pointing their frustration at Margeurite Zabar Mariscal, who the CEO of Momofuku. David Chang's the founder, but I'd imagine the CEO is more involved than he is on the business side of Momofuku.

[@INCINERATEDD]

First time here because of the chili crunch/crisp drama Hitting that subscribe 🎉

[@bbbbbbbbbbbbbb392]

Crunch vs crisp isn't strong enough to trademark when both are translated. It would be like trademarking potato crisps. Nowhere close to McMuffin

[@slumptydumpty3058]

I recommend reading "Barbarian Quest" great manhwa. Great story, great art.

[@AmosOdi]

Did you mean to say Avatar the Last Airbender's animation wasn't good?

[@angeLxLaw]

my heart broke a little hearing that but even though personally i like the animation, i can see why it's not their cup if tea🥲

[@CrazyLikeChris]

Wait X-men 97 animation is actaully decent. Or am I going crazy?

[@kazkazee]

No, youre not crazy.. i personally like it too.. could it be better? Hell yea it could.. it just comes down to time and budget, but what we got is pretty fucking dope.. not to mention the story 😢

[@cheekydelinqwent9080]

I was waiting on this topic lol

[@CuongChanster]

I was watching Dr. SLUMP before Dragon Ball. And I knew the artist was the same. The world was the same

[@SUNUMPIMP]

Please review Shogun. It's the best show I've seen in a whileee.

[@stevenvu8395]

Hey David! You plan on reviewing that UFC match between gaethje vs holloway?

[@jerrymemitchell490]

What's an example of good animation? A lot of the good shows they talked about were bad animation.

[@回合-g9p]

No body was using chili crunch to brand chili oil before him? U sure?

[@Kinro-y]

U guys need to fkn watch Vinland saga, ranking of kings, Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, fmab, hells paradise, jojo, erased, mob psycho, golden kamuy, and to your eternity

[@pangcakesandsyrup]

Naaaaahh Avatar the Last Airbender and X-Men 97 got great animation, Imma die on that hill (Invincible tho I can see your point, although the story carries it for me tbh)

[@excll808]

The solo leveling anime is weird. Pretty sure it was a Korean anime studio it's cast is Japanese, and all characters have Korean names

[@IkarusWalks]

Who are they referring to about the Korean guy talking shit about Korea?

[@luisguevara5820]

Do you guys like the animation for Attack on Titans?

[@HH_Julius]

Ed is 1000% right relating sports to war. Proven fact that it's a substitute for killing people 😅

[@MrCjlance]

Duh duh duh duh dudes behind the foods, oh its the dudes behind the food, dude that was good!

[@Kinro-y]

Zom100 animators also went on strike😭 it ironic af

[@AndrewGarcia-yw9lu]

Sports fans are the only group I know that will say stuff online and in real life. Usually its because they're drunk or just absolutely dumb thinking a pro athlete won't talk back or do something about. I've noticed it in the NBA more recently past few seasons. Multiple vids of Westbrook and KD going back and forth with people in the stands. Although every sport has fools seeking attention

[@CuongChanster]

Always like David's insight. Looking from the outside. We need to stop being so quick to cast of stone after 1 disagreement

[@invisibleadversary]

I don't think anyone's arguing what you're arguing. I think the public outrage is warranted. Yes, everybody knows he is well within his rights to enforce the trademark but whether he should've done so is the question and you agree the way he went about all of this was trash. He's a corny man who does corny things.

[@DavidSoComedy]

Nah lol that wasn’t the ORIGINAL narrative everybody changed their tune and took back all their comments and videos after they found out the original condiment was chili crunch. All the trademark Tik toks corrected yall. The great thing about the internet is all the receipts are online if you go back to the original outrage and early comments. So let’s be honest and say, we didn’t know that BUT we feel that it’s ethically wrong.

[@invisibleadversary]

@@DavidSoComedy If that was the case then I stand corrected but the prevailing narrative now acknowledges that he owns the trademark so I don't think a dead narrative necessarily needs to be addressed. Everybody knows now. Owning the trademark and enforcing it is bad enough. Honestly, my exposure to this fiasco in the press and on social media is folks acknowledging that he owned the copyright but was unethical for enforcing it but yes if there was a previous narrative then I do stand corrected but I don't think anyone's pushing the old narrative anymore so I don't think it need to be addressed really. Though his crisis management team wrote a script for him to read yesterday on his podcast so let's see how that tempers things.

[@DavidSoComedy]

@@invisibleadversaryno that’s not the point… If everyone, I mean everyone was taking him down and adamantly saying that it’s because he’s trying to own the whole condiment you can’t suddenly say… WELL EITHWR WAY! it’s wrong after you found out that you, not you personally, were intellectually and factually dishonest with your cancel culture takedown of HIS branded product. So yes it DOES matter what the original narrative was because it was a hit piece that was misdirected based on non facts so the level of criticism would have been different. It wouldn’t have been: “DAVID CHANG IS TRYING TO OWN A WHOLE CONDIMENT. ITS LIKE TRYING TO OWN KETCHUP” It COULD have been: “ David Chang owns chili crunch, is it still right for him to send out cease and desist for his own product that he created against other businesses in his community?” If someone accuses you of something and you disprove their original accusation but the come back with BUT BUT BUT THIS OTHER REASON IS WHY IM STILL MAD. It would be considered a reach. It’s not just whatever. It’s important.

[@invisibleadversary]

@@DavidSoComedy Respectfully, I feel like you’re fixating on a moot point. A lot of people were reacting to it for the first time knowing he owned the trademark. If there was nothing to be critical about now then people would’ve left him alone after the initial misunderstanding. The fact that he owned the trademark was clearly irrelevant. It's a bit more nuanced. McDonalds, Xerox ,and Kleenex have different relationships with their customer base than Chang does so even that is a false equivalency. There isn't some shady movement to take him down. He was more than fine before, he’s only a famous multimillionaire chef with adoring fans including Asian Americans. No one’s out to get him unless justified.

[@DavidSoComedy]

@@invisibleadversary”a lot of people were reacting to it knowing he owned the trademark” YO LOL! That is definitely not true at all and you know that. You a 💯 know that lol cmon… lol that’s kind of ridiculous lol NOBODY knew that’s the one of the points for why people are outraged… what are you saying now you can’t just make shit up! Now you’re just saying things lol get outta here!!! Silly!

[@hellohi1925]

Dragon ball is my favorite Chinese story with a twist. Goku is wukong

[@strobeable]

Itatchi defenders go hard in the comments for no reason 😂😂

[@mightym.5560]

I respect your opinion on HxH even thought it's not in your liking it's on others liking 👌

[@BIGJOHN12581]

I feel that David and ed might like mushoku tensei

[@DavidSoComedy]

That’s my shit!

[@DamnAwesome]

I absolutely love Invincible but I also wish the animation was better!

[@zeryang85ify]

Im a season holder for years and some Lakers fans are the rudest thats why.

[@wanpingchan8362]

Both of them from Taiwan?

[@DJMinty92]

I hate to break it to you, David but Solo Leveling was animated in Japan. Still, Korea never lose because Japan adapted it.

[@Kinro-y]

Nah not David coming after one piece and hxh bc of the animation

[@zeehighness2733]

DavidSoooooooooo 🎉

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Damn why the title got me hungry though? 👀👁👁👌👌 But seriously though rest in peace to the MF GOAT AKIRA TORIYAMA that had started it all and made my childhood and whole life mainly.

[@levi99]

Awww…wished David liked Naruto cause it’s definitely my top 3 anime. Lol

[@Kinro-y]

You guys are talking about power scalers, they don’t represent some of us they’re cringe

[@23JAMESTHEKING]

Dragonball super was amazing lool

[@nebeker]

i was with you until you called hunter x hunter a crappier version of one piece 💀💀 how dare you pit two kings against each other hahaha. there are 2 versions though - the 90s one and the 2011 one and my understanding is they’re mostly the same, but the 2011 one is more widely available. but i love one piece even though i’m just barely past the time skip there’s a lot of really good high fantasy anime out there that i hope you get to watch and maybe review someday! ranking of kings, dungeon meshi, sousou no frieren…sooo many shows that aren’t just your typical shonen or isekai

[@jsungk5]

Lol, did you really just pronounce Ranma as "raen-ma"? Even the english dub pronounce it as "rahn-ma". Also, looking good, keep it up!

[@chingalingdraws2150]

please talk about avatar next!!

[@zeehighness2733]

Davisdsoooooooo 🎉

[@xXNezzuXx]

I hate how seen I felt when these dudes started talking about anime for 30minutes...I need to touch grass.

[@V4Now]

Toriyama is soo talented you know his art when you see it. That is incredibly hard to do as any artist to be THAT distinct that a few features can identify you. That's speacial.😊

[@DavidSoComedy]

RIP 😢

[@ZrKy7]

Ive been watching action cartoons for awhile and i gotta say. Y'all are too hard on yourselves. Xmen 97 animation is on of the better looking shows art and animation wise. Take the W Ed and David 😂. Studio Mir is one of the premiere studios in Korea. They did Boondocks.

[@hadiza1]

💙🩶💜

[@19Elicar]

I heard CCP my mind went south quickly 😂.

[@jside108]

Yall should listen to dave chang podcast he talks about it.

[@kshinokevin]

the first time I heard about this was from those Fung Bros.: the David Chang "Momofuku" chili crunch sh#t. It is like Huy Fong's "Sriracha" (hot sauce); a competitor brand could be called "(Asian fusion) Rooster Chili Sauce." I think that David Choe (the artist), Ming Tsai ("East Meets West with Ming Tsai (2002)," Martin Yan (1984: "Yan can Cook"); I grew up watching Julia Child; (1985) "The Frugal Gourmet" (Jeff Smith); "Iron Chef (America: 2006)" = it was treated like a sports game: Japanese chefs with English subtitles (it was more like a classic 1970's (Hong Kong) Kung Fu movie (a bad voice dubbing technique); Mark Dacascos (a Hawaii-bred actor); it was narrated by: Alton Brown, and had celebrity chefs, like Bobby Flay and Wolfgang Puck ("Spago's"/due to his appearances on David Letterman's "Late Night" talk show (NBC, before Letterman moved to CBS); those Emeril (LaGasse) commercials; "Chopped (2010)" (the Food Network); much later on, I watched these three gals: "Nigella Bites with Nigella Lawson" (2001); 'Giada at Home" or "Giada Entertains" (Giada De Laurentis); "Top Chef" (2013: hot (Indian) chef, writer, & show host: Padma Laksmi); "Hell's Kitchen with Gordon Ramsay (2005)"; not (1968: Galloping to) Graham Kerr (british guy); Joyce Chen (1966: "Joyce Chen Cooks") tv show; north Chinese cuisine: a trailblazing show; it was way beyond my time) or that "Dom DeLuise"-lookalike, Paul Prudhomme (1995: "Fork in the Road"); Anthony Bourdain, Guy Fieri ("Diners, Drive In's and Dives (2009)"), Adam Richman ("Man vs. Food"), Bobby Flay, Martha Stewart (who chilled with Snoop Dogg; went to jail for insider trading) or Paula Deen (the southern (diabetic) cook; she crapped on African-Americans/the Black people, with the "N-word"). The last four personalities: I just like them for their backstage/IRL antics and controversial stories.

[@navseal345]

👍👍

[@Kinro-y]

I love you guys but you’re dragon ball takes aren’t it😭

[@zeehighness2733]

Yooooooooo

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

How many times are you going to bring this potato back on? Give us Nick, Pat, Alex, just SOEMBODY else

[@DavidSoComedy]

Forever

[@ZENLASOL]

Hell nah bro we love Ed 😤🖕🏼

[@bethlehemy4601]

Ed is the best duo ever

[@saiixceela]

Ed VP is one of the best guys on this podcast! He brings so much insight and opinions to the table! This guy should be the one touching grass frfr 😂

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

@@saiixceela He belongs underneath the grass, where potatoes are grown, bc that’s basically what he is