Mini PC Vs Desktop: More Fair Than You Think

I compare a tiny PC to a big PC.
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[@lemagreengreen]

One day motherboard manufacturers will learn that spraypainting the back of the IO shield black from the factory instantly adds gamer appeal

[@CrocoDylianVT]

High end motherboards have that

[@Boogie_the_cat]

@@CrocoDylianVT yeah, I'm gonna pay $750 for one of those stupid mobos made from depleted uranium, forged in a whale skull, lined with chimpanzee testicle skin, and a dumb screen on the heatspreader that uses terrible software and is made of plastic. I'm just kidding, those mobos are usually 2 grand.

[@commander3494]

@@Boogie_the_cat okay, but for the 0.3% additional performance is absolutely worth it

[@Thenakedbakerchannel]

Normal people don't care what the io looks like concidering it's at the back of the pc

[@xalzor740]

@@Boogie_the_cat Except you dont really need to spend 750$ on a decent gaming motherboard... More like 300-400$

[@bluecollarwatches7048]

Got the wife a newer PC as her aging celeron needed replacing, bought a refurbished dell optiplex i5-8500 but was considering one of these mini PC’s. In hind sight I should have bought her a mini PC, she does crafting and has programs she runs for that and cruises the internet and some KZbin tutorials, very light usage. These mini PC’s are impressive for the casual user.

[@thesilentgametestr]

i have a mini, nothing special, but with an intel N100, 16gb ram and a 512gb ssd(soldered) it pretty good and snappy. cost me under 200 british sterling on amazon. Ryzen ones would be better if you needed a bit more graphical power

[@sumitchaudhary343]

What about durability? Are mini pcs durable with small motherboards

[@duljayasavinu3814]

@@sumitchaudhary343why would it need to be durable?

[@sumitchaudhary343]

@@duljayasavinu3814 if motherboard gets burnt then how to buy new one

[@duljayasavinu3814]

@@sumitchaudhary343 there is very low chance of that happening . If it does however it would probably be better to just get a new one . If there is warranty it is better but I guess maybe some repairers may have extra motherboards

[@sysfailure]

All PC builds require a blood sacrifice. Good to see you appeased the PC gaming gods here!

[@briliankamil4594]

Now that build have a soul..

[@bobjohnston1239]

Blood for the Blood God!!!

[@lindah6954]

The dam rivets are like mini razors.

[@annieworroll4373]

My last PC build didn't extract a blood sacrifice... but it was a retro build and holy fuck do the hot ends of soldering irons hurt.

[@Lurch-Bot]

For some reason, when i PC for sale as being built with blood, sweat and tears, it tends to turn people off.

[@MoultrieGeek]

RE: The Swing I'm scarred for life now. Thanks Dawid!

[@Indisposable]

I'm more scarred by the thought of gaming on a PC "that with enough effort can fit inside your person." - Dawid

[@DA_COOLEST_DUDE]

same 👀💀

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Amazon BDSM swing review in the works.

[@MoultrieGeek]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Will the cattle prod make a return?

[@3000TonnenKoala]

That last sentence disturbed me, made me think (which I better hadn't) and made me laugh. Well done :D

[@ParanoidMarvinMk2]

"With enough effort can fit inside your person." That is a disturbingly succinct way to put it.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I've known a few people over the years who would take that to be a challenge.

[@spritbong5285]

Hahahahah

[@hecker4758]

Didn't expect the mini pc to be chiller than big boi Mini PC's are evolving at scary rates !!!

[@bigreddt73]

love the tab from the backing plate covering the hdmi port on the motherboard. cheers Dawid

[@ThePhoenix198]

Been there, done that! 😐

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I was too distracted by my nailed bed type injury to notice. 😂

[@johndoecake]

OH GOD ...that rear I/O HDMI with back plate metal in it

[@Tmtrnr]

dont forget the DVI VGA connection everyone uses those still

[@renerant]

"It's actually a feature" so the user doesn't connect the monitor to the motherboard instead of the video card 😂

[@HighIgnition]

Had happened to me in a few occasions, hahaha!

[@Xfade81]

since it's hdmi, it might even spark a bit for some extra flair.

[@Atari5732]

The last build I did I forgot to push those little tabs on the IO shield apart and a couple of them inserted into the motherboard inputs. It seems like such a simple thing to include a better IO shield.

[@Tankdmps]

everything aside, that rx 6600 is an absolute steal

[@aboohoo]

yeah, really! I know the mini is supposed to be the star of the show here, but that's a seriously impressive build for less than 600 bucks

[@premiumsomdier]

"in 10 years we will all be gaming on pc's that are tiny enough they can fit inside your person" 🤣🤣

[@Max_Ivanov_Pro]

Dawid's builds always have that perfect balance of humor and informative content. Keep up the great work!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Thank you! I appreciate the nice comment.

[@alex.g7317]

@@DawidDoesTechStuffhe’s a bot 🤖

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@alex.g7317 Oh! 😂

[@alex.g7317]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah, a way to tell is by looking at their channel page, or if it’s obvious - looking at their pfp and username. I’m practically physic now.

[@falcon_224]

@@alex.g7317 wait what?? seems like a normal channel to me

[@gnarlin4964]

06:22 Dawid forgot to bend the IO-shield's HDMI brace-tab inwards so now it's blocking the HDMI port. He'll either have to unscrew the motherboard, move it aside and bend it in or bend it in and out until it breaks off.

[@flexxx222]

with that 5500 he won't need that hdmi port.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

You can't use those ports unless the CPU has integrated graphics anyways.

[@Thanos0001]

Dremmel time!!!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

@@Thanos0001 You can break that tab using your fingers. It's very thin.

[@talibong9518]

maybe he blocked it on purpose

[@hellmalm]

The highlight of the week is when Dawid uploads a new video! Please never stop, I do live for these small moments of happiness!

[@Styrofoam-ee]

For people who don't know or don't want to learn, with even kids who play Roblox or Minecraft, it's not a bad idea to pick one of these up for relatively cheap. Cheapest one goes for $150 honestly though past $500-$600 is a bit ridiculous, you're better off learning how to build a PC if you're going past that price range. Ofc the cheaper the Mini PC the less likely it's going to perform well with gaming, overall it's a pretty good market for Mini PC's right now. A lot of parents and businesses could use these.

[@brandonvo9727]

Now put ur custom built pc against a $600 prebuilt lol

[@1-upanimations878]

We know how terribly that’ll go. Unless it was that Craigslist guy who souped up that old Desktop…

[@cv990a4]

When he says "screwing and cable management" - is that a reference to the computer or the sex swing?

[@madvoador1]

yes

[@steelfox1448]

Yes

[@mraltoid19]

With Time you can get a little better for a little more, I did my media PC with the following: Ryzen 7 5700x - $150 Radeon RX-6650XT - $200 32GB Samsung B-Die Generic Brand - $65 2TB M.2 NvME - $75 A320 Motherboard - $55 SUGO G Case - $50 450watt PSU - $55 Took 2 months looking for deals, so $650 for a modern-ish PC is pretty good!

[@mraltoid19]

@@token7443 it's an FSP Gold-Rated, and the 5700x and 6650xt don't eat that much juice.

[@catto-from-heaven]

5700x on an A320 mb OOF

[@lonergothonline]

now imagine the steamdeck competitors with the new thinner, blower style fans, with newer hdr-whatever-oled screens, which themselves probably would be running at 1080p120, with an optional lower screen display akin to the nintendo DS, for maps/macros/quick shortcuts, heck on on screen keyboard or whatever. running at 15w and outputting low-med setting games easily.

[@zephaniahgreenwell8151]

Much closer than expected

[@buildyourcomputer]

i like that your set is right next to the emergency exit in case one of these videos goes bad.

[@joemayne2265]

I ended up getting mini PC with OCulink port for eGPU goodness. Yes it’s more expense, but it provides a means by which to access high end gaming if I want it and an upgrade path too. Price to performance even with an eGPU will of course be in favor of the larger system. You’re paying for form factor with the mini pc, just like with small form factor builds. But there’s definitely a market for playing games at lower specs but being able to easily travel with it (Steam Deck says hello).

[@georgeyreynolds]

Isn't the eGPU limited/throttled by the bandwidth of the interface and the max wattage of the enclosure though. Or is it as good as it can be ?

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Very few GPUs(PCIe 4.0 GPUs) are limited by PCIe 4.0x4 bandwidth. You'll have no problem with an RTX 4070 Super/4070Ti. Even a 4090 loses "only 20%" performance when not using an external monitor and next to nothing when using one. Regarding power, it depends on what PSU you are using.@@georgeyreynolds

[@rustler08]

That's a terrible idea, as eGPUs are massively limited by the bandwidth of the connector and that's not even factoring in the extra latency created from the less direct connection to a CPU. It's fine if you're running something like a cheaper 20-series, but don't for a second think that you're going to throw in something powerful like a 3080 or better and get anywhere near intended performance. If you're lucky, you'll get like 80% of the performance of the GPU. And it gets worse the more powerful you get in GPUs, which means you can't just talk about how the external GPU will allow you to keep upgrading over time. Add up the cost of this mini PC, a good GPU, and an eGPU enclosure and you could have just bought yourself a 4070 or 4080 laptop.

[@rustler08]

@@georgeyreynolds Yes, it is. eGPUs were fine for when GPUs were less powerful, but honestly at this point it's kind of a waste of money when you realize the power of modern laptops.

[@Slvrgs]

At that point why not get a tower pc with an igpu and later add a GPU.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

I'm 98% certain that the encoder is present in the apu's just for some reason amd don't let you use relive on them. This has been a thing since the first ryzen apus and there are workarrounds.

[@Crustenscharbap]

The Mini PC has Video encoder. It also can encode AV-1 which the RX660 can't do. But this function is blocked in the mini PC. You can use OBS instead.

[@lachezardonev9381]

We all know not to plug the monitor in the motherboard's HDMI port, but accidentally blocking it with the IO shield is a strategy I haven't seen before... 😆

[@mvanalst2003]

Holy smokes, man! I’ve been looking for a video JUST LIKE THIS! Amazing job. Thank you for the content. BIG thumbs up and a like. Please keep them coming, sir.

[@Twintania]

working on computers can often result in injuries surprisingly. Can't even begin to count the amount of times working on a older or vintage computer I've cut my hand on sharp metal

[@LordOfNihil]

anywhere you are working with sheet metal. was a system integrator back in the p4 era, using cheap steel cases that were all sharp corners. was amazing how often we restocked the first aid kit.

[@arkd1711]

Dawid, love your content. The humor is always just right. :)

[@gamertrojan4038]

Ahh so I am not the only one who blood sacrifices with every new build lol

[@netdudeuk]

PC cases used to have slot backplates that you had to wiggle around to break out of the back of the case itself. I’ve seen more than a couple that were like lancets with a sharp point on the end.

[@charginginprogresss]

3:20 that DDR5's sky high CL will make up for having higher frequency than the DDR4, don't worry.

[@maxmurphy6932]

This is peak entertainment

[@adamweb]

That ASRock mobo triggered my 90's PTSD from I/O shields that would never completely snap in place or line up with cases back then!

[@bigal2688]

Also remember the Ryzen 5500 only has 16 Mb of Cache compared to the 32 Mb on the 5600 and the 5500 is also limited to PCIe Gen 3.0 so with the X8 interface of the RX 6600 there will be a bit of a performance hit there too!

[@matuzaato]

Does it really affect performance though, for a higher end gpu a it could be, but with a 6600?

[@asuschrist]

@@matuzaato It does because it has x8 interface. If it had x16 it wouldn't be an issue.

[@sehabel]

The 5500 really isn't great for new builds, but I got one as a cheap upgrade for my old B350 motherboard since I can't use PCIe 4.0 anyway. I would only recommend it if you don't have a lot of money and still use something like a R5 1400.

[@WAFFLED_GMR]

The 6600 uses around 8 the majority time​@@asuschrist

[@WAFFLED_GMR]

​@@asuschristno gpus really use 16x

[@victoresarey4036]

I have a kamrui mini pc with 16gb ram and a ryzen 7 5700u and it's pretty good running windows 11 pro, probably could use more ram to help the vram but still good for 300 bucks

[@Collin_J]

That case looks slick. Very nice update to the old & sad Deepcool cases

[@kandym3478]

my kids have gaming PCs similar to what you built, exact gpu even. When they start to age in the next few years I think mini PC will be their next systems

[@Grommet2007]

Nice comparison! Those mini PCs are getting better and better. FWIW, I've never used AMD's solution for gameplay capture. Windows-G brings up Windows' built-in gaming menu, and from there I can select to record the last 10 minutes of gameplay. As I never last longer than 10 minutes in any game, that's all that I need :-).

[@mr.bamboozle3053]

Short answer: not really

[@Daniel-ru8je]

Cpu wise its not that far off but the igpu being equal to a 1650.... yea no.

[@the_0hd251]

Bro why did you spoil it

[@frankwong9486]

Or another short answer : It depends

[@georgeyreynolds]

There are Ryzen 9 based mini PCs now 7940HS and 6900HS. DDR5 4800 up to 64GB ...

[@OHutchinson04]

Shorter answer: No.

[@CheapBastard1988]

The main component I would change on the desktop build is the power supply. I would get one from a reputable brand like Seasonic, EVGA, CoolerMaster, or Corsair. Thermaltake is always a gamble.

[@victoresarey4036]

My desktop is a late 2021 alienware aurora r10 ryzen 5 5600x and a rx 5700xt with 32gb ram it's an amazing system with a 1000w psu. Paid 450 total

[@seventhblessing.7371]

Have you changed the UMA frame buffer on the mini PC? to match the vram amount on the RX 6600

[@username_1985]

Waking up from a very alcohol filled night, eating some chicken nuggets and seeing the random canadian guy from youtube uploaded a new tech stuff video. As best as this sunday could get 😁

[@thesilentgametestr]

the funny thing is the xbox one/series sx and ps4/ps5 are already gaming pcs in a smaller footprint than a desktop pc. what would be cool is if you could replace the os of the consoles with windows and see how they perform in gaming in comparison.

[@wyattkane]

I appreciate this channel’s commitment to holes.

[@PhilKulak]

“Screwing and cable management” may be the best way anyone could spend a Saturday night.

[@stephenarkless9444]

I get all hot and flustered when I see one of your videos pop up 😆

[@HunTaoLee]

Would be interesting to connect the RX 6600 on the mini-pc via the M2 eGPU connector...

[@neogenesiseva01]

With the extra Nvme port on the mini pc can you put a extern graphic card on it ?

[@yissnakklives8866]

The Minisforum um780 xtx comes with an occulink adapter and a port on the rear to plug it into without the need to case mod. But yes, it's definitely possible. Seen guys on here do it with this ser6 max and just cut a hole in the housing

[@massivemancomputers]

The Montech Air 100 ARGB is an excellent budget m-ATX case.

[@Danilo_Kesic]

The timing of this video is perfect because i just recently purchased an rx6600....currently waiting for the rest of the components to build my new pc 😅

[@Danilo_Kesic]

Omg i just realized the processor and ram are same as well 😂

[@gundalfthelost1624]

Great GPU for 1080p/1440p gaming on high (or even ultra) settings. Got the PowerColor Fighter version of the RX 6600 in one of my rigs myself. Runs cool, performance is extremely stable and it's such a good value. I do suggest changing the fan-curve (from factory the fans are off until the card reaches 60c in temp). The fans aren't loud so there's not really any reason to keep them off, better to have a solid curve via MSI Afterburner for example so they are always on. A cool running card, is a long lived card after all. Mine runs at 40% until it reaches 60c, then it climbs to 65% followed by a steady climb until it matches 100/100 temp/%. Since I changed that, I have never seen GPU temps over 58c, not even while playing Dead Space Remake or Cyberpunk with the graphics cranked.

[@Danilo_Kesic]

​@@gundalfthelost1624Still havent built my pc, but I will look into the fan curves when I complete the build...ty for the advice 👍

[@jasonlewis810]

I'd be curious to see how they'd compare if you used that same GPU with an external usb4 enclosure... Would the beefier CPU make up most of the difference in bandwith for the usb4 GPU?

[@Tellea]

I'd love to see if that mini PC works with an external GPU , you could have a very nice travel set up

[@greenbirdstar]

The RX 6600 is a god's blessing after owning a GTX 1060 for a long time

[@bigman7083]

im still running a laptop with a 1060 lol its a razer and does fine for basic gaming but i wish it was more powerful, granted the laptop looks and functions like a brand new one for normal desktop stuff, so i cant justify buying a new one

[@bentpen3423]

Loving the regular uploads ma boi. Easily the best tech channel by far for both humour and information. Love ya loads babes xoxo

[@Tarukeys]

"Vaselino vision" HAHAHAHA!

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Dawid the Mini PC's 7840HS has all the encoders needed, it even has AV1 hardware encoding! But A-hole AMD doesn't provide Re-Live on their APU drivers!!!!!! Your only option is OBS where you'll get access to the hw encoders!

[@akin242002]

Unless you are competitive gaming (professional gamer or paid tournament gaming), you rarely need a big tower PC. The only other needs are freelance video editors, Machine learning programming, or using CAD. Most people who are more focused on work than gaming are fine with a mini-PC playing 2-4 of the highly optimized 1080p games (Fortnite, Forza Horizon 5, CS Go 2, Apex Legends, or Leage of Legions). As long as the iGPU is Radeon 680M or higher, the casual user will not care.

[@niewazneniewazne1890]

I missed the timeframe in which Dawid became Jesus Does Tech Stuff.

[@that1kidonyoutube]

Is there a way to run the mini pc with an external gpu?

[@mmstick]

Yes, through Oculink or USB4.

[@XXIIXIIIXXXIXXXIX]

That mini PC is better then anything I've ever used 😂😂😂 Or probably ever will.

[@SelfcareForTheMind]

I know y’all are gamers but I just need it to check emails 😂

[@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861]

Only Dawid can compare a computer chair to a sex swing and make it make sense.

[@LadBooboo]

6:20 yep, that's where i expected that stupid tab for the HDMI port on the i/o shield to end up. Very realistic build process, Dawid 😂

[@RuruFIN]

Funny how HDMI is mentioned in the graphics card box with big letters like it's a totally new feature.

[@UncannySense]

Hi Dawid seeing as you've had sponsored access to Bequiet cases, I was wondering if you could test standard vs inverted motherboard case configurations. My 20year old LianLi PC-V1000B case which I am still using nowhas the inverted motherboard arrangement which I believe is better... But I am curious if there is any performance/cooling benefit. I think some Bequite cases can do both orientations so it might make for some interesting results....?

[@Akotski-ys9rr]

3:45 I actually was considering buying that cooler master case for a really cheap pc build

[@FSK1138]

you can add a gpu to the mini pc check oculink egpu adapter

[@Oxide445]

Thanks Dawid for the furniture suggestion, I now have a great idea to spice up my next funeral

[@user-uu8in9ix2d]

11:27 Bold of you to assume mini PCs today, with enough effort, can't fit inside of me.

[@RYUU_kij]

Dawid saying you can gain access to its insides through its bottom reminded me of the war crimes he commited back in "97" I'll never forgive you Dawid...

[@spartangaming7223]

"You can get access to the insides through the bottom" me pretending to be mature 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dauntae24]

I’m adding a 4070ti to a Beelink SER 5 Max today. Should give some desktops a run for their money.

[@mbwahaha]

I have the Ser 5 Max too, paired with a Radeon 6650xt, and i put an AMD Wraith cooler, on top of the Ser5 Max heatpipes, silent, powerful and tiny.

[@dauntae24]

@@mbwahaha do you run it without the case or did you mod the case to fit the cooler?

[@dauntae24]

@@WhiteG60 I’m using an M.2 external graphics card stand. It’s mostly an experiment. I use the mini PC for to play Minecraft with my son and for some emulation. I was going to sell the GPU or use it in a mini ITX build but I figured I’d try this and see how it works. I’m expecting a pretty large bottleneck but if I can get some decent 1440p out of this setup I might just keep it. I have everything mounted to one of those little aluminum extrusion rigs and is pretty cool looking.

[@mbwahaha]

@@dauntae24 yes, without a case, for now. I plan to make a custom case.

[@mbwahaha]

@@WhiteG60 Thunderbolt penalizes the performance a lot, I use a PCI express adapter, sacrificing the SSD slot, but performance wise it's really good.

[@TheGamerCouch]

should find a way to use that m.2 to pcie adapter on this mini pc

[@TripleHalt]

Seems like your affiliate link for the Ryzen 5500 might have accidentally gotten duplicated with the one for the Corsair RAM

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

6:20 I see how you didn't ben the tab back on the hdmi and now it's blocked, lol.

[@Lukelovell2]

Ive said it before, this is hilarious and so clever. So glad I found his channel

[@Revoku]

Thanks for that visual at the end lol

[@davidsanders890]

The minisforum em680 is $400 for the 32/512 variant right now. Pretty much the best price/performance/footprint available. It would be interesting to see how a custom pc build would stack up to that.

[@lindah6954]

How much torque do you put on a screw. A 1/4 turn before it snaps.

[@youcefzaouali5636]

Lol it got all the holes that you want this got me cracking. 😂

[@CaveyMoth]

You should do a side by side video, showing the entire build process of the custom PC on one side, and struggling to get the miniPC out of the box on the other side.

[@rafalst]

Now you should try getting a external gpu for the mini pc and check again. Maybe compare to a upgraded version of the big boy.

[@dhyanvohera]

Hey David hope you read this recently i had came accross a short where a person buys a similar mini pc and connects it to a rtx 4090 somehow maybe you can try something similar

[@VicariousModder]

I think it’s your mic, but your shirt reminds me of TC Tuggers shirts from ITYSL. 😂

[@jeffreybarker357]

The phobia line had me dyyyying! Lmaooo ohhhh, my gaaaawd!

[@stefanmisch5272]

The 6600 can drive up to six monitors with Display Port MultiStreams (i.e. with a DP hub or daisy chain able monitors)

[@daflipbizkit]

How about doing a major gaming upgrade for these systems? The mini pc gets an egpu and the budget system gets a cpu and a gpu upgrade.

[@edwardferebee6119]

I would be interested to see a similar video with the adlink rtx a500 added to the beelink.

[@jessen00001]

Mann do i remember trying to build a pc media gaming center back in 2009.. Was soo huge M3 wise and noisy 😆

[@TheSchwarzKater]

Every good PC build needs some blood sacrifice.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

"This is a surprisingly powerful pile of stuff." Drugs, or the parts for a budget build? You decide!

[@AndersHass]

Not sure you can use all 4 ports on the GPU. At least with my GTX 980 I am limited to 3 displays despite having more ports.

[@jeffie8696]

Under no circumstance would I use a Thermaltake PSU I have replaced several that died , the only brand I have ever had to replace.

[@97BuckeyeGuy]

That's actually a really nice looking Deep Cool case.

[@FrgottenFrshness]

the I/O shield that is bent in towards the HDMI connector is a bit concerning not sure if you noticed that yet at 6:20

[@JoshuaHealton]

3:48 Exuse me, sir, my gaming computer is built in that exact Cooler Master case. It runs perfectly fine. (Until my cat lays on it blocking the top mount AIO.)

[@user-pg5sz2vn1w]

i got a rx 6600 for around the same price on black friday and i love it. it slayed anything at a1080p for me. i recently swapped it into my mining rig and its killing it in there too.

[@SequentialSnep]

That introduction went places XD

[@TheEik08]

There’s something so wrong and sinister (but hilarious) about using a ratcheting screwdriver to install delicate pc hardware

[@alexmcd378]

But how do they compare at compiling the Linux kernel?