Does Cloud Gaming Still SUCK In 2024?

[@mohammadismaeel3964]

When I was a child, I used to think that if my computer can play a KZbin video of a certain gameplay it means that it can run the game perfectly. Boy was I in for a big disappointment

[@Carnage_Lot]

Me watching Minecraft videos on my 2005 Dell Latitude: "I can totally play this!" Can you imagine my disappointment? It led to where I am now, R7 5800x & 7900 XT lol

[@volvo09]

Haha, cute childish thoughts

[@mohammadismaeel3964]

@@Carnage_Lot that's a pretty nice build. Unfortunately I'm still on a relatively bad laptop (i5 7200u and an AMD R5 M430) but I plan on upgrading once I graduate and get a job

[@HunterTracks]

Same, but my laptop at the time couldn't even deal with streaming video at its full rez so I guess it prepared me nicely for a decade of low-end PC gaming experience.

[@denisruskin348]

Yeah, when my mum was gifted a super expensive enterprise Dell laptop in 2009, I thought it would run anything on the planet. Bought Prototype because it looked super fun, spend the night installing it only to never get into game because of an unsupported iGPU from the 70's. Ah, child innocence.

[@sokarash]

I think Shadow started as a game-streaming company, but then got bought up by a enterprise-streaming-service, which then sold off about 2/3 of the GPUs at the height of the scalpocalypse and seems to now use the name.

[@malvinchau2056]

They went bankrupt after a couple years of service and were bought by some european company to be used for office 365 work.

[@dilutedoxygen]

Didn't shadow get in trouble because there was a massive security breach that leaked the data of thousands of customers (since shadow offers remote pcs, all the data stored on said pcs was leaked) due to their incredibly low security?

[@gamagama69]

that would explain the weird hardware choices lmao

[@thephoenixking1086]

@@dilutedoxygen - The Data on the cloud PC's is secure, it is not this that was leaked it was the data of your subscription, email and so on (so your account info, NOT the info on the actual cloud machine). - I was one of those customers that had data leaked, they emailed me 6 WEEKS after it was stolen, SIX WEEKS after, meaning the thieves had PLENTY of time to cause havoc with my information and I would not have known at all (thankfully my accounts are secure and this did not happen, but it could have and Shadow did not tell me in time). Shadow PC has many flaws and in my opinion, is only really useful for running AI-Models and 4K/8K Video rendering, where you can use the GPU and CPU to their fullest. - They offer an RTX 6000 24GB GPU with 48GB Ram and a 24-Core or something CPU. This is NOT RTX 4080 or even 3090 performance but that massive VRAM, DRAM and core-count is very useful for AI-Training, rendering high-quality videos and so on. > Otherwise I do NOT recommend using Shadow for games, the latency is too high, the cost is more than doubly GFN-Ultimate yet nowhere near as good and so on.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

No way! That's wild. I was so surprised how poorly it worked and hard it was to set up.

[@Zatchillac]

That Shadow PC you said it doesn't come with any storage but on the screen it shows it comes with 512GB SSD for the C drive. That storage you added was for the D drive

[@julian5956]

Bump

[@Andrew-we1ny]

Noticed that too. Easy miss, Dawid.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Can't believe I missed that. I looked at that page so many times. Thanks for letting me know.

[@user-dl7es2jp7f]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff This video is terrible. Lmao. You half-assed every service

[@37Kilo2]

I think the biggest hurdle for cloud gaming, at least in the US, is ancient infrastructure. ISPs were given billions to upgrade the Internet infrastructure, which should have been fiber lines, was simply pocketed. That Logitech handheld looks childish, like a Leapfrog device. $300 is absolutely mental.

[@WGK90]

The US, or at least some of it has mad infrastructure for high speed internet, Europe in comparison is way worse

[@christophervanzetta]

Not for me. I have gigabit fiber for cheap. But I also have been with Verizon fios since the very beginning.

[@kmemz]

Once you leave one of the big cities, you notice it a bit. Once you get on the outskirts of one of the small towns/cities, you *really* notice it. I live on a dead end back road that branches off another back road in the outskirts of a very small area, for decades I was barely able to get 56K and later DSL, only in 2019 did I get a coax run on my street's poles. Even then, best service I can get is a rather exhorbitant 100Mbit service from the local Charter monopoly. The 30Mbit service I do have from them isn't much cheaper.

[@RoseFBN]

I live in the heart of the SF Bay area, (silicon valley!) and I still get absolute garbage tier internet. There aren't good options whatsoever.

[@davidbentham9586]

UK is the same as US, shit infrastructure 😂

[@dbsterben3902]

What I find ridiculous is you could build a amd 1400 with rx580 pc for a similar price to a year of the subscription

[@seanld444]

Yeah these really aren't worth it. Unless you're fine suffering through the free tier, just build a PC or buy a console. Save your money.

[@Flyon86]

The main use I could see is with gamepass, if you're paying for gamepass already on pc or Xbox it could be nice to do streaming while traveling for work or something. Otherwise yeah, a cheap used part gaming pc or even an xbox s would be better for the money.

[@caseball-uk386]

£150 per year for a RTX 4080 that wipes the floor with anything less than £4k

[@Miss-Foe]

I pay 240 a year for the 4080 tier because I have a low end PC. 240 isn't going to make my low end pc significantly less low end, but it can allow me to play games that i would normally struggle to run, at max settings through GFN. My PC is also running Linux so i can use GFN to play CoD and Destiny 2 which wont work on Linux without having to stoop to installing Windows. Money well spent imo.

[@Flyon86]

@@Miss-Foe For around $240 you could buy an RX 7600 graphic card. You won't get 4080 performance, but it can play anything on 1080p high at least 60 fps with no lag.

[@UltraVegito-1995]

Dawid: *ah yes the cloud gaming technique I haven't used since the heian era*

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Man, that just makes me imagine Dawid in a Heian-era noble outfit.

[@fatrobin72]

I remember seeing something on the retro one before... I believe you can have multiple people connect in to have online couch multiplayer given old games typically only have local multiplayer.

[@RusticRonnie]

Its also free with ads

[@A.DanielPop]

There's a ghost pinching your t-shirt in the first part of the video.

[@koolpiecetv7131]

its his mic

[@Huisiky]

@@koolpiecetv7131it’s a ghost.

[@AnnaDoes]

It's a really pesky ghost that has a thing about his chest hair... It's obsessed.

[@Tatoebot]

@@koolpiecetv7131no it’s not it’s a ghost you bot

[@koolpiecetv7131]

@@AnnaDoes Of course, my mistake

[@hiawa23]

The G-Cloud has become my portable Xbox and Playstation handheld thanks to remote play, and it is now my retro go device as I now have all of the retro apps running flawlessly. It is now my portable Dreamcast, PSP, N64, PS1, Gamcube, Mame, Super Nes, Genesis player on the go. I love the G-Cloud.

[@malvinchau2056]

Queues (for GFN free) on busy times can take up to hours to actually get into a game. I used to have priority but just decided to build my own system instead. And also, sometimes the priority does have a queue, which is annoying.

[@Fielith]

Yep, thats right! i live in a 3rd world countries and ive been playing on geforce now free tier pass for, idk maybe a year or so And i love the free tier xD as long as it is free xD

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

Im so glad they fixed this… some months ago it could take a whole night and still not enter in the game, that was insane.

[@Fielith]

@@xbgsheikiii3593 what server did u play on?

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

@@Fielith US NA and US SA

[@blaux]

$300 for a device that does less than my phone with a gamepad attachment is criminal. If you're the person to buy a g cloud, then spend $60 a month on game streaming, you could buy an xbox and pay $30 a month for hundreds of games you can play locally, while also being able to gamestream them to your phone

[@TheEllord33]

Or you can pay 0$ and setup a VPN at home for cloud gaming from your own PC.

[@brandnew61384]

I have an RTX 3060 laptop and my wife and I really wanted to play couch co-op Baldur's Gate 3 together. We subscribed to the top tier GeForce Now so we could play on our 77" LG G2 and it worked flawlessly. I will say that if you want to play games that benefit from the high tier hardware and do not require the fast responsiveness then it will work perfectly. Perhaps it's because we played through an Nvidia Shield with a wired connection, but there is no noticeable latency in a game like that.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Exactly. Games that suffer from cloud are anything competitive online. When just playing a 3rd person open world campaign, it's honestly very passable. Heck I just used steam link while at a friend's house to do the electro boss fight in the first spider man (first time playing) and it worked great!

[@bodinhocaliente4469]

The 3060 laptop runs gfn better than the shield, because it supports 4k 120hz, reflex, and g-sync in your LG G2

[@brandnew61384]

@@bodinhocaliente4469 I didn't run GFN from the laptop, I said I own a laptop, but used Shield to run GFN so we can play BG3 on the TV.

[@GReLLz2497]

sweet, im in this position for wukong lol. bout to try the day pass and hope it works good for me. ive seen muiltiple people saying geforce now works great

[@RealIxen]

as a geforce now user, i can tell you that we wait 700 hours for a queue unless we spend 20 bucks. infact, i am writing this comment while there is 139 people left in the queue.

[@wadestun9268]

Pay 10$ for a month and you dont have to wait and it runs pretty good. Only reason why ive paid for a month is because my pc broke and is currently getting repaired, so im stuck with a crap laptop.

[@RealIxen]

@@wadestun9268 oh nah my dad is refusing to get the membership

[@SkepsterzIOS]

its a free service

[@mattermajor]

You should try comparing these to parsec and sunshine/moonlight gamestream.

[@verifeli]

Yes, the cloud gaming is finally rising, especially in developed countries.

[@lemagreengreen]

I have always wanted to see a tour of the GeForce Now data centers, it must be a pretty impressive operation.

[@mari2.]

probably a bunch of Intel Xeon/AMD Epyc Servers with a few Quadro/Tesla/RTX cards Straddled to them, running a few gaming sessions, the 4080 Tier probably actually has a 4080, but the others get Workstation cards, maybe even Volta/Pascal cards for the Free Tier.

[@Cyba_IT]

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if they actually have one GPU per user (doubt) or have some fancy sli/crossfire like setup where they can use fewer GPU's to get the same results.

[@rfbeck1]

@@Cyba_IT No, the 4080s are one per person, they are not Grid cards. They cant be split up that way.

[@HasturBeta]

@@rfbeck1 I didn't think I was going to notice an improvment going from the 10 to 20 dollar tier because I only got a 60hz monitor but gdamn is it there., its crazy.

[@actioncooltv6837]

well i tested GFN, XCloud, PSN, Stadia, Luna, Netflix with different devices and i got by far the best expirience with GFN and the Logitech G Cloud at least in Europe. I think the G Cloud is a Great device but it is too expensive. 200 €/$ max would be a good start. BTW, the Backbone Phone Controller is licensed with Playstation, so it should work nativly with PSN and a phone. Love your Content, keep up the good work.

[@gamagama69]

yeah but like just use your phone is kinda the moral of the story.

[@actioncooltv6837]

@@gamagama69 of course, that is totallly fine and possible. But it depends what Phone you have....my Phones don t have an 7 inch Screen and also the aspect Ratio of the Phone Screens is different, and the controlls in the g Cloud are really good. I tested the Razer kishi v1 , the backbone and the gamesir x2 and only the backbone comes near the Fidelity of the G Cloud. As i Said, i wouldnt get one for the retaill price, but If you get one for 200 or less It is really a good choice.btw, Emulation Up to some ps2 titles ist also working great on the g Cloud.

[@CandyChannel1966]

Does PSN cloud work on g cloud?? I don’t own a PlayStation

[@actioncooltv6837]

@@CandyChannel1966 you need a Playstation 4 or 5 for streaming on the g Cloud...

[@CandyChannel1966]

@@actioncooltv6837 I didn’t need one for the steam deck when I used the PlayStation plus app

[@malcolmmoore9938]

Hosting your own cloud gaming with moonlight on your PC or using PSplay to connect to your PlayStation (especially when the hosting devices are wired) has been revolutionary for me

[@pacosanchez7216]

Agreed. 5 years ago I slung a heavy gaming laptop. Now I carry a slim laptop and remote in to built PC for everything, including gaming.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

While that's definitely an option, that presupposes you already have a gaming PC that can play those games. It's "free" after you spend several hundred or thousands of dollars on a computer.

[@MunchenerFrance]

Exactly. And 5 years of GeForce now ultimate is basically half of a good gaming PC​@@Mister_Phafanapolis

[@toututu2993]

You haven't tried vr then 😂

[@shakeyourbunny]

Do you also try to test Steam Link with different conditions? Would make a great followup video.

[@danngamerz]

for me, i dont really have a problem about latency in geforcenow. maybe i am closer to the servers. xbox cloud is quite good just like he said. i could not really test other platforms like shadow and playstation premium but i did try oneplay which is available in asia and that is good aswell.

[@lobban2]

Yeah, in Sweden both xbox cloud and geforce now works excellent. Especially when you stream to a smaller screen like a Steam Deck.

[@KreekyCraftyClips]

Cloud gaming doesn't suck people's wifi does

[@toututu2993]

Cloud gaming doesn't suck for scammers which tricked someone like you into thinking is worth it but in reality, if you have awesome internet with 4k tv running at 120hz, then you can easily buy a decent pc build that you don't need cloud gaming in the first place

[@tutacat]

Except all wifi is higher latency, and that depends on all your access point hardware, device hardware, and closeness. Behind one wall can drop dramatically.

[@toututu2993]

@@tutacat And internet will not be 100% stable no matter what

[@PanzerShrimp]

The only "cloud" gaming setup that i have been impressed with was "moonlight game stream" I played overwatch on my PHONE hundreds of miles away from my computer with like, 20-40ms of latency Disclaimer: Using a bluetooth xbox controller connected to a samsung fold 5 (on LTE). Host computer is 7900x Ryzen with 3080ti (on gigabit fiber) ironically this is probably the total opposite concept to this video given that the setup costs more than a moon made of premium cheese, guarded by space cows with laser beams.

[@robertcastanpn288]

I tried it with the steam deck tryna to play genshin but I can’t get the controls working

[@Carnyzzle]

That, Parsec and Steam Remote Play are the only forms of cloud gaming I'd use

[@airplanenut6242]

@@robertcastanpn288there is a virtual Xbox controller app you have to install on the pc running the game. It’s called “nefarious virtual game pad”. I think it emulates an Xbox 360 controller and fixed the controller issues for me streaming sunshine/moonlight.

[@JerziTBoss]

But Moonlight or Steam Link are not necessarily a cloud streaming services... They run on same network as your gaming system. They are fine to use. I use them to play games on my TV PC with games that require more powerful hardware because my main PC is in different room but I wouldn't call them cloud.

[@bagushikachi]

​@@robertcastanpn288not sure about the deck, but I've very good luck streaming hoyo's game on Android devices (and Windows) from my desktop with Moonlight/Sunshine and Parsec, maybe try Parsec next time, Hoyo's game especially Genshin does weird stuff with controller detection

[@HunTaoLee]

The cost of cloud gaming (including premium internet cable connectiong) cost a lot...The Geforce Now (AU) entry level doesn't support RT, so get an 2nd hand gpu is more cost effective....

[@roundduckkira]

it certainly isn't cheap but I think it has its niches, I pay for ultimate (parents pay for internet anyways) and considering I am stuck with a Mac mini only atm, it works in a pinch for the moment for some competitive games until I get a proper PC again. Because I do have a high refresh rate monitor I can actually take advantage of that tier and get low latencies, like similar to what I'd prob get at 60 FPS natively, still worse than the 165 framerate's native latency, but good enough and not as sloggy as running GFN at 60 FPS. hopefully in the future I can move on but my main problem is I want to keep the Mac around for ARM development and thus I don't need just a second hand card but all the parts I need over time.

[@toututu2993]

Cloud gaming and local gaming doesn't compare. You can't have same value as with playing actual hardware no matter how much or less you'd been fooled to pay for such scam

[@jeffreybarker357]

More of my main man's one-liners! Let's gooooo!!! I could watch Dawid talk about paint drying as long as he keeps using those off-the-wall descriptions. I love this man.

[@Ceielo]

This is the exact reason I subscribed lmao! He's too good with them.

[@CrowContinuum]

The main appeal with Antstream is the ability to participate in challenges and complete on a leaderboard or against your friends. It's not necessarily just playing the old games.

[@oblivioncreations]

My experience with cloud gaming was never bad, but I would never say great, I kept up with my friends in destiny 2 strikes and Halo PVP fine on game pass on my phone with a bluetooth controller, even played some of the beginning areas of hollow knight. But there was always a point about 2 hours into a high graphics game that the visuals would die on me, mind you, that was about 4ish years ago now

[@oliverhoschi6135]

The Price of the Logitech thingy is hilarious. For what reason would you pay 300 bucks for this? I would invest the 300 bucks in a low budget gaming system. WAY BETTER!

[@christophervanzetta]

But a $300 machine isn’t going to play many, if any, modern games…

[@grimzkunk]

Why do you compare à gaming computer and a mobile cloud gaming device?

[@DigitalJedi]

I think given the target market, the better comparison is a cheap tablet and a decent controller or one of those controller snap-on devices and a budget phone. I actually have one of those controller things and use Parsec to stream my PC to my phone.

[@TheMasterwitcher]

​@@christophervanzettanone

[@RusticRonnie]

@@christophervanzettasteamdeck oled can and will. If you buy used parts you could easily find a decent PC at that price, also it would be a platform that could be upgraded once you have more time

[@shakeyourbunny]

I know that is not related to this video, but are you aware of Scott Ross' (Accursed Farm) campaign "stop killing games"? He made a video about that and I think he deserves a broader coverage. It's about a campaign to force publishers to keep service games in a form alive be it with private servers or something; it got ignited by the shutdown of The Crew from Ubisoft. ... well it is related to cloud gaming where you don't really own the games.

[@veduci22]

You can't force private businesses to keep unprofitable services alive or just give them away for free...

[@shakeyourbunny]

@@veduci22 If they have unprofitable services, they should offer a possibility to let the gaming community to continue a services, as the customers already have paid. If you deliberately sabotage a sold product you sold and don't want to provide a solution for continuing use of said product, this is breach of sale contract.

[@joshd108]

I love game streaming but not from servers but my own consoles and Pc. Fun to see it perform when I’m far from home, but it’s only a fantastic experience when I have at least 3 bars of 5g or on a decent WiFi network. At home it’s always been awesome having wireless monitors all over the house. Even the ps4 did a good job playing in my pc in 720p, and things only get better with time as high internet speeds are getting more affordable

[@WijaTheMidga]

always a good day when Dawid uploads

[@laiir2958]

Hey Dawid, I think you could prolly open shadow on the Logi Cloud and, if it works like a desktop, go to >control panel >tablet pc settings >configure >and tap the screen when it tells you. Source: I use a touch screen monitor as my 4th monitor, if I don't do this then the touches from my monitor show up on my main 27 inch screen

[@arthurdurham]

Not sure what you did wrong with Shadow, I use it almost daily running many games at 120hz with little issues.

[@Yuriel1981]

When are we getting the Retrogaming thermostat video? Super excited!

[@joeschmoe5009]

Xbox ultimate is a full package, they say the cloud is beta because it still sucks. But anyone with the ultimate can use it

[@Juliencharb]

True cant wait until its not in beta anymore but i feel like this will happen when xbox launch a handheld and i'm pretty sure it's coming sooner than later

[@greenprotag]

I would LOVE a follow up to this video where you test using your OWN equipment for cloud gaming. Keep the Chromebook, your phone, and the G-cloud and try using Moonlight, Parsec, and steam-link to stream your beast gaming PC to your couch AND to a local coffee shop on wifi OR at a friends house on their wifi.

[@MrMCDiggles]

The answer is most definitely... Cloud gaming will always suck. Take the money you would spend on service and buy a pc.

[@mrman6035]

Yeah especially the $40 virtual desktop. At $40 a month you could save up for a used handheld PC or laptop in less than year.

[@inlandish]

Glad you wanted to ruin the video for me before I even watched it.

[@tyler6602]

@@inlandish literally cry about it

[@justsomeguywhowatchesanime6810]

Cry​@@inlandish

[@powerfulshammy]

Isn't this Final Fantasy 14 a MMORPG where it's full cloud gaming while you pay for the entrance fee same with game pass $15 every month for entrance fee to library of games

[@allenellisdewitt]

4:04 Just this last week(?) they announced that it WILL carry over from many of your GOG games. That makes a huge difference.

[@dgevert]

The secret sauce for game streaming hardware to work well isn't the cloud. It's local streaming. Moonlight/Sunshine on PC, PSPlay for PS5, XBPlay for XBOX, etc.

[@POLO9999]

Also a suitable combination for any beginner streamers who doesn't want to move all their setup from one room to another for stability.

[@PavoMagico]

I'm so in love with ps remote, steam link, and xcloud. Playing everywhere is now truly possible. Yes, it still must be polished, but it works much much better than i expected

[@paladingeorge6098]

The premise of this video feels like a rhetorical question.

[@aefilmsweddings]

I bought an Abxylute handheld, it's basically the Logitech G Cloud but for $200 instead. Having the option to use cloud services like XCloud is nice, but what I primarily use it for is in home streaming so I can play games on the couch or in bed instead of at my desk. I did have a controller to use with my phone but having to take my phone out of my case to use it, and being interrupted by calls/texts/notifications made it worth it to me personally to get a dedicated device for it. It's a creature comfort for sure and not a budget gaming replacement but I love it.

[@riseabove3082]

xbox/s with portable monitor works really good for doing this. skip the cloud.

[@SubwaySweden]

nopeing out of anything that is a subscription, walked out of a bunch of sales where they required me to have a subscription and will continue to do that no matter if it's games, cars, phones or whatever else.

[@seanld444]

I'm fed up with the constant rent-seeking.

[@michaelb2westgaedu]

​@@seanld444I agree. Subs for gaming will get no money from this household. With steam relaunching family sharing recently there's hardly a point to any sub anyway in my household.

[@Asadc1995]

Geforce now at the beginning was unstable when it came out. But overtime it improved alot becoming more stable. It shall be noted that it is not always ones own internet connection that is the issue. In terms of lag. Sometimes it is from the servers data centers end. Which many people think it is. Which sometimes is a misconception

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

I'm so glad everyone is rejecting cloud gaming

[@dadgamer6717]

great video. very helpful! i think this might be useful at xmas when i go to my parents or if travelling on work. i usually lug a laptop which is a combination of heavy to be able to run stuff but not as good as my home desktop pc. this would allow me to bring a netbook.

[@stuartrobinson1188]

Gave up on game pass cos of lag on my rubbish Broadband. Got fibre a couple of months ago resubscribed and it’s sweet as a nut

[@BowsettesFury]

Same had it less than a month and even have video proof of how bad it actually is. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ros100200]

you can set the controls to the touch controls with built in key mapping function. hold down the home button

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

Eventually cloud gaming will be the norm, at least in densely populated areas

[@arch1107]

every person knowing how good is to play in real hardware and hating input lag will nt adopt it, stadia counted on that idea you wrote there, look how it went nvidia is not better, it is not happening

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

@@arch1107 its better than it used to be, why assume it can't get better than it is now?

[@cyluk358]

@@arch1107What nonsense. Nvidia is not better? Then explain how it has better latency than a local console? Go tell Digital Foundry their tech Review is wrong.

[@misterthegeoff9767]

I live in a densely populated area and I have given up on streaming services and started buying DVDs again with how terrible streaming has got lately so they are gonna have to pry my gaming PC from my cold dead hands. I'm never gonna trust a cloud gaming service not to suddenly decide to remove games from my catalogue at no notice and then add unskippable ads to the premium tier.

[@kadrix732]

@@cyluk358If you watched this video, you can clearly see what you're saying is bullshit. Not to mention, impossible. A cloud solution will never have the same latency as a local console/PC, let alone lower latency.

[@BeHempy]

The G Cloud is awesome. I remote play my PS5, Series X and 4090 PC and it's perfect. I like streaming with it better than my Steam Deck OLED.

[@ltpunisher6666]

I use GeForce Now instead of using my storage up on my PC for certain games and it’s amazing. Granted I have a 2GB internet hardwired in. I forget I’m even streaming it it’s that good 👍. I have the Founders Edition Ultimate. Zero Latency control issues. I play CS2 a lot on there as well

[@thiccbaron]

There is always going to be latency with streaming

[@ltpunisher6666]

@@thiccbaron I don’t notice any. I’ve been helping beta test it since 2018-19. It was horrid then.

[@cyluk358]

@@thiccbaronThere is latency, yet according to Digital Foundry Geforce Now has less latency than a local console.

[@ltpunisher6666]

@@cyluk358 that’s crazy! When did they post the video about that?

[@POLO9999]

Did played some PS Link bound with my PS5 in order to play in my computer when i can't reach the PC. To be honest, it's a good compromise between Real Cloud Gaming (from Internet) and home console. No input lag at all, decent quality/framerate. The only concern is when the network drops a little... You have to relaunch it as it doesn't resume properly.

[@arch1107]

the cost doesn't matter, the internet connection doesn't matter, the real problem is the input lag if my wireless controler starts to disconnect and i feel some sort of lag i have to turn off the controller and turn it on again so it works well again or i can't continue playing because i feel i cant drive or aim or do anything cloud gaiming is not for me, or anyone who knows how good is to play on real hardware

[@AndrewPL5]

Hard disagree on internet connection. You DO in fact need a good internet connection for streaming. If your latency is high and speed is slow it WILL affect the game.

[@Fetidaf]

@@AndrewPL5 you dont really need that fast of an internet connection though, i think thats what they were getting at

[@AndrewPL5]

@@Fetidaf the internet connection does matter tho, that includes more than just speed. Your latency and connection matters. If your latency is high and your connection is weak or unstable then you will have many issues streaming a game...

[@Fetidaf]

@@AndrewPL5 right… so the speed of the internet connection doesn’t really matter that much. That’s literally what I just said. And even the other stuff doesn’t really matter all that much either. Most people aren’t going to notice a 10ms delay. As long as it’s not constantly cutting out it’ll probably be fine.

[@AndrewPL5]

@@Fetidaf you must not understand much...that's fine. I know how it works and I don't need to convince you.

[@kubanitos]

I was hoping for a test with an old desktop PC with a wired connection. Cloud gaming and wifi will never be a good match since it is not stable enough for streaming mostly because of the input lag.

[@cagos]

Yes it sucks

[@maximumsettingscloudgaming]

Thanks for the mention Dawid ! Looking forward to more amazing content

[@Tyrian3k]

Seems like building your own PC is easier than figuring out those pricing models sometimes.

[@ertugyigitgezici7634]

Cheaper too

[@christophervanzetta]

@@ertugyigitgezici7634Thousands to build a decent PC plus buying games but

[@imretix8081]

I'm still playing natively on a 5yr old pc and still playing today's AAA title like horizon and helldivers. GFN doesn't have them games and doesn't have wheel or vr support. It's cheaper trust me

[@Theendgamelv3]

The thing I like in Dawid's videos is when he does tech stuff.

[@meam11]

Tbh, most games these days have servers in most areas, and games have been getting less and less demanding by the day, and hardware prices are slowly dropping. Cloud gaming isn't really that helpful these days in my opinion

[@AndrewPL5]

I have to disagree with you there. Games are NOT getting less and less demanding. Why do you think newer games have a hard time running on older hardware? Why do you think GPU's each year get faster and faster to be able to play newer games? Common sense bud

[@unionofslavstanrepublics2317]

Games, at least quite a few more recent AAA titles have been getting more demanding, some partially due to a lack of optimisation but generally speaking hardware requirements are going up, not down.

[@HunterTracks]

I mean, it depends. I'd say that games are increasingly less demanding _on average_ relative to hardware (i. e. even a $500 PC can last you around a decade if you avoid the AAA space, which was not the case a decade ago), but the most demanding games are growing more demanding by the second.

[@Kingkoattack]

Kids in my French class are always playing Fortnite via GeForce now on the school Chromebooks with almost no latency. It’s kinda crazy.

[@GeneralS1mba]

I saw some guy playing Fortnite with GFN in my school's library and he was astonishingly calm. He could pass it off as studying easily! (Kind of)

[@NeptuneSega]

What kind of a question is that? Cloud gaming has sucked, currently sucks and will always suck for gaming. All control removed from the gamers and subject to change without notice

[@maddoggaming1171]

Great video! I had actually been looking into potentially buying a Logitech G Cloud this week because I had heard that streaming was a lot better these days, but it looks like it still has a little ways to go to meet my preferences. I'd be interested to see how well local streaming is. Like Phone/Steam Deck/LGCloud streaming steam games from your home desktop.

[@williamhill4163]

My dad has worked in IT since the stone age and he was mentioning this as a solution rather than a bandaid to owning a desktop glad i chose the desktop as you can build one that performs about as well as some of these services for a decent price

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Old idea of mainframe vs home computer.

[@cosmo1253]

short answer is yes it still sucks

[@NotoriousScarFace]

wow you did alot of hard work for this one video. thank you. I can only muster on cloud gaming setup before i start losing my mind. Great vid.

[@NotRafa07]

No views in 30 seconds? Damn Dawid really fell off

[@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu]

4 likes with 0 comments? let me fix that

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

So many npc comments

[@WaifuEndMyLaifu]

Oh, is it your turn with the shared brain cell?

[@ThePike220]

really fun that google has all this ai tech, but we cant shadowban shite comments like this

[@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu]

@@iHaveTheDocuments 5 likes with 5 NPC comments? let me ruin that

[@zerohbeat]

Somehow I started just playing more and more games on xCloud over the last year. Its just soo comfortable with no need to download anything and my internet is good enough. I even got an Turtle Beach Atom controller to play on my phone too.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Be sure to use a wired controller on the console to get the best out of it ✌️

[@vladrazym9955]

Cloud gaming is a scam like Chromebooks

[@7ctony]

How’s it a scam?

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Chromebook is not scam

[@SOF006]

I'd rather just have everything on my PC, via Steam and be happy. Literally no one can beat Steam.

[@marsMayflower]

using game pass streaming through the browser on steam deck is actually very good, at least in my circumstances

[@Xorthis]

I've used shadow in the past, about 5 years ago (in the UK). One thing I immediately noticed was wifi was awful to use for their service, despite having the PC sitting right next to the AP. When I switched to an ethernet connection it was almost as if I was sitting at my own PC, although input lag was still noticeable. I imagine the issue you had with the cloud and chromebook was a combination of awful android software, linked with the wifi connection issues. Overall, I've tried a bunch of cloud gaming services over the years and none really come close to replacing an actual PC thanks to input latency and streaming problems. I was not in the slightest surprised when Stadia shut down.

[@PropaneWP]

It's pretty scary that these prices and these free services are cloud gaming companies being as nice as they can. These are the prices that are supposed to entice people over to cloud gaming for that proverbial foot in the door.

[@Machistmo]

@ ~ 1:10 the 4k without a system to drive is called a TV.

[@DonaldWyman]

I have had decent experiences with local streaming from my PC (using moonlight or steam link), Xbox, or PS5 but haven't had a good experience with "cloud" streaming so far.

[@Electrify85]

Recently subscribed to Prime, so I gave Luna a shot. As someone who uses GFN, I was VERY impressed with the low latency Luna had. If it was there, it was less than I could perceive meanwhile with GFN while you have to look for it, it is definitely present. Also as long as you have a Prime membership you can play Ubisoft games in your library, though they had to be purchased on Amazon, Epic, or Ubisoft Connect and not Steam (fuuuuuuu....). Assuming the plug isn't pulled like it was with Stadia and proper investments are made, Luna does have the grounding to be a dominant player player in the cloud gaming space.

[@googletarded8300]

I use my 3080 to play my pc via a tablet and PS4 controller with blutooth mini keyboard over my friend's house using the moonlight app.

[@Panda-uh6zi]

I used to be a big fan of Shadow back before all the problems started, but they've had major financial issues the past few years, when they first came out their specs were really decent for the price and worked fine (same ones you had actually) but over the course of 6 years the specs haven't changed and the price remained the same, instead they just bolted on even more expensive options for more money. They do offer storage btw, the option you picked is for extra storage, which is actually on a HDD device so slow as anything. They also closed down quite a few datacenters and were eventually bought out by Hertzner (Dont know what happened after that). Which meant people who were subscribed could suddently be half a continent away from a data center and go from usable to 100+ ping consistently and drops in connection. If this was 2018/19 yeah I would say it's worth it, now I'd say youre better off just getting a cheap pc like an optiplex and popping a low profile card in, costs about the same as half a year with shadow but you're getting something you own.

[@toniomiklo2406]

If you have to spend more than a few seconds to find out how much a service costs, just forget it and move elsewhere.

[@bryndal36]

I've used Nvidia's Geforce Now, Xbox cloud and antstream and none were any good for me. I don't have fibre, just fibre to the node which is copper to the house from a box down teh street and teh latency was so bad that nothing worked well at all. I tried playing FH5 and it could barely load in the road in front of me when driving so the car was constantly freezing while it waited for the environment to load in.

[@HunterTracks]

Honestly, yeah, I think the best use case for cloud gaming at the moment is buying a $70-100 USB-C controller, strapping it to your phone, and playing either the free tier of GFN or XCloud if you're already a Game Pass user. It's always been a value add proposition, and spending additional money on it is stupid unless you happen to live directly above a server farm. As for Logitech Cloud, the thing is apparently reasonably good for emulation and Android gaming, so there are ways to get your money's worth out of it. Completely not worth it if you just wanna do cloud gaming, though.

[@potatoes5829]

I disagree that the Gcloud is good for emulation. Gcloud is only $50-$100 cheaper than a lower tier steamdeck, which is probably better in emulation, and much better at everything else.

[@HunterTracks]

@@potatoes5829 To be fair, it lasts ridiculously long off of battery, up to 16 hours iirc. But yes, obviously a Steam Deck has much better value proposition.

[@HunterTracks]

@@potatoes5829 G Cloud supposedly has an absurdly long battery life, up to 16 hours iirc. It's definitely not as good of a value as a Steam Deck, don't get me wrong, but I think it can be worthwhile for some people.

[@Nyavsa]

Back in 2020 I got stuck at my family's place due to covid regulations heavily restricting travel between countries in Europe. This meant I was away from my gaming PC but I did have my old, small laptop with me I used to use for university stuff. I ended up trying the paid tier of GeForce Now (which, back then I could get for free for like 2-3 months) and it was honestly a pretty good experience. Sure, games did not look that great and there was some latency but it was much better than not being able to play anything at all

[@Sinna42049]

Shadow has been around since 2015. i actually used shadow in 2019 before i was able to build my first pc in 2020 before the shortage. they were alot cheaper then for a better service! i was using it with some hp laptop with an i3 6300u and 6gb of ram, running it on a gigabit connection with ethernet. the latency was almost minimal but still definitely noticeable. i wanted to make sure i would like pc gaming before i built one. and now i have a rig that isnt extremely top of the line but its a great pc! Anyone thinkihg of getting shadow. i personally would say its the best option out of all of these, but i dont like that price tag anymore. with that being said, its still a great option and you wont regret the money you spend on it!

[@blackknight50277621]

I can't even STAND steam remote play on the SAME WIFI in my house, let alone "Cloud" gaming

[@RodimusPrime29]

I really enjoyed Stadia while it was around. I completed CP2077 flawlessly upon release. But Stadia shutting down helped me build my first gaming PC & I haven’t looked back.

[@kaozer666]

the pricing is just awful for all of them. not to mention the latency is unbearable aswell. id rather buy a console than use any of those services.

[@CloudGamingBattle]

I've never heard of Cloud Gaming before. Thanks for this!

[@lokologico]

dont forget the logitech cloud also can also emulate classic consoles. The screen ratio for it is perfect. I prefer it over using my phone.

[@dotnetapp]

1:13 i have 4k 120hz TV and a macbook (just telling because it looked like you can't imagine a real scenario where its useable :P)

[@odin13th76]

Here's a pro for cloud gaming, saw it during palworld hype. When i installed on xbox the game ran fine until one of their updates then it would just randomly shut ur xbox off and give you "we shut down cuz of heat check ur vents" but on cloud it would just crash and make you relaunch the cloud. So by having it on the cloud it saves ur system from their bugs/glitches from bad updates while they try to figure what they screwed up on.

[@kadenhazami9644]

@2:24, you said it perfectly and correctly. It is convoluted so you can spend more money, full stop. 22$ a month is a LOT for the Ps+ Ultimate final mix upgraded super-ultimate, super-mega bundle of stuff, but as you said, you do get access to all those games. I have a normal Ps+ membership ($60/yr) and there is stuff on there that I don't get the better option(s) for, like X-game for free or the opportunity to play something for a certain amt of time before purchasing. This last one I've seen once. I use the PS Remote play constantly, when my wife is watching tv in the living room and I am in my computer room and wanting to play on the Ps5, I can do that. The only thing that sucks about it is that the quality sometimes dips and the stream gets grainy. It might be different if I was on a wired connection, but somehow I doubt that. I do have to admit thought that when I do use it, 95% of the time my stream is very good and the quality & responsiveness is actually pretty damn good.

[@PaulHofreiter]

I started using Xbox live for cloud just out of curiousity yesterday. I wanted to play Persona 3 Reload on the couch - my pc is capable enough to run everything I play at 1440p high refresh rate (3070) but it’s much nicer chilling on the couch. Not only can I play in comfort on my 16” M1 MBP (so a nice screen and sound), but surprisingly it runs very well on my phone (iPhone 12 pro max) using a switch pro controller with the phone mounted to it when I’m in the bathroom or on the go etc. There are a lot of games I would love to try out but would never pay for because I know I wouldn’t finish them and this is a great solution for me. Latency is super good and very smooth (modest internet at roughly 300 down and 20 up). I’m honestly shocked how good it is. I think the big thing is if you’re going to play the games you chose here, of course it won’t compete with an actual pc. But for literally almost everything else, it’s great. Why only choose racing, competitive shooting and other games that rely on instant input? There are so many games that you will never mind a 5ms extra delay. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest with P3R and there are a ton of other games I can experience now that I would never choose to own, but have access to. I did try Steam link before (surprised it wasn’t mentioned here) but the performance was not good. Not my pc’s fault in terms of specs either. I know it is hit or miss for people. As for Xbox Luve I will definitely be using it now, and if I don’t see myself having time I can just pause the sub u til next time I want to use it. I don’t like the subscriptionification of everything but this is one case where it really benefits me.

[@EliteEMan856]

I use moonlight and sunshine to stream from my PC to my phone. If you already have a gaming PC, I recommend this if you also have a good internet connection. I play games on my phone while I'm at work and even over 5G the latency is hardly noticeable. Quality is really good actually, like the experience is legitimately enjoyable.

[@marrizard]

was the chrome book wired to the router or were you using wifi?

[@NotMyOriginalHandle]

I just got the backbone controller for the iPhone and have been playing games with it all night. I’m honestly blown away by it. I used to trash mobile gaming and “cloud” gaming all the time. But I’m quite impressed with it and have been having a blast playing xbox games on my iPhone.

[@Eye2_i]

I had shadow back when Linus tech tips first covered them. Back then, it actually worked like a mix of the GeForce now graphics with the latency of game pass. the "base" tier also got you a 1tb SSD with a 1080 equivalent for like $20 a month. it was great considering I didn't have the money back then to have a gaming computer. Now its just sad

[@RyzesTechZone]

These pricings are so wild, especially when you consider a PC you buy will last much longer than however many months you'd get out of Cloud Gaming. Even if you have a potato like a Celeron Machine, you're better off saving that money instead and buying something different anyways 😭

[@GaganDeep32469]

Dawid I was thinking since 2024 started and the component market seems even better now why dont you make 2024 version of "CUSTOM PC VS PREBUILT 2024 EDITION" or something it'd be fun to watch

[@Finduh]

cloud gaming relies on heavy hardware? since when? i'm curious about your time travel machine you seem to have

[@shodan6401]

I am from Uzbekistan good friend and I am feel very compliment from your words. Happiness to you!

[@RageQuitSon]

Luna, you can't BUY games. You get prime games that rotate. And you SUBSCRIBE to channels to access other games. But it is truly the easiest "click game, now you're playing" service on the list The BIGGEST hurdle of trying a game on pc xbox game pass with cloud playing.. is connecting my damn controller. I don't know what it is. It's always on my desk. But i launch a cloud game KNOWING it needs a controller and i just stare at the controller and close the game and go to KZbin instead... I love cloud gaming. It's awesome. You can try games without downloading them, assuming you subscribe to something like Luna or game pass

[@Finduh]

you can ask this question in 1995, 2005 and 2050 and the answer will always be the same

[@handheldgaming4life]

For me a cloud gaming handheld is best when you actually pair it with your home PC and use Moonlight. Then you can play at home or away and its all from the same PC.