How Capitano beat Ronova with "death" explained (Genshin Impact 5.3 Lore Theory and Recap)

[@toopided]

I used to have negative views on 5.3 AQ till this conclusion. It pretty much shows why there are people wanting to serve under the Captain. Ranging from that fatui npc in mondstadt since day 1 to Guthred coming back after 500 years just to assist the Captain is unbelievable. bro literally took all his fallen comrades and send them off personally. If this isnt a chad, I dont know what is.

[@sarwatarannya8786]

I mean, just because capitano has a cool moment doesn't really excuse the general low quality of the AQ overall.

[@hollowdreams9352]

​@@sarwatarannya8786 Capitano carried the entire AQ atp.

[@Fulldrag7802]

@@sarwatarannya8786 u a clown 🤡

[@Jaynat_SF]

I still have negative views on the 5.3 AQ, it's by far the worst finale since Inazuma, but the Captain's death is not the cause of this. In fact, his death is probably the best part of this quest, and one of the only well executed parts. It's mostly the pacing in the lead-up and during the final battle that made me dislike this finale, because that sh*t was just so bad in my opinion. You can't judge the entire package based on just some parts of it, just like you can't judge an entire package while ignoring other parts of it.

[@captaindanger13]

@@Jaynat_SF I like the quest, but I agree with a lot of the problems you bring up. Namely the pacing issues. I think it's better than Inazuma, but it has the same rushing issue. The first half of the quest where we're having a party with Mualani's tribe and the part where we help Kachina's baby saurian with his abyss corrosion syndrome or whatever it's called should've been part of the intermission quest last update. Especially, that part where we help Kachina's baby saurian with the exact issue we were dealing with last update. Then, when we finally get to the final battle, no matter how good I think it was, it was still over WAY too fast. This was supposed to be the big bad powerful creature that's been terrorizing Natlan for A THOUSAND YEARS and somehow we beat it in like 5 minutes...? That makes the boss feel less dangerous than it actually was supposed to be in the story. I'd give the quest like a 7.5/10. I think the story and information we got was pretty good, but the execution of the telling of that story was not the best. We got good lore tho, so lore enjoyers are eating good rn.

[@miiinkus]

Ronova wanted to rush the entire encounter because she wasn’t trying to get caught & punished. She said before if the Heavenly Principles found out about the original deal, she would say oh it was Xbalanque.. etc. etc. I have a feeling that she made the choice of who “dies” based on how much she could charge back up. Energy in Teyvat is limited… so if she’s a Shade, she wants as much of her power back as possible from anyone who uses it. Say Mavuika used 5% total in Acts 1-4, Ronova wants her 5% back, right? I think Capitano had more “death power” accumulated than the amount of “death power” that Mavuika used. We’re led to believe Ronova lost… but in reality, it’s my opinion that she’s gained power & kept the guise of upholding the Heavenly Principles rule of immortality without being found out. Shady Shades being Shady.

[@hanifkhairy3682]

u r godsends, this makes so much sense now

[@KelumKey]

But according to ruler of night, HP knew about contract and punish Ronova. And if I understand correctly her personality changes to self-pity person

[@miiinkus]

@@KelumKey yea so all the more reason to wrap things up quickly and not get the chancla again from the HP 😂

[@TheTimecake]

So if the source powering the Curse of Immortality is not Ronova (since she's just the upholder of the Curse) but the HP (since they seem to be the ones who inflicted the Curse), does that mean by having Capitano sacrifice himself to Ronova that Ronova is in effect stealing some of the power of the HP _through_ Capinato?

[@miiinkus]

@@TheTimecake nah its more like Ronova has a set amount of energy and wants it back in order to be at full potential. Mortals aren't supposed to wield heavenly powers. Like think about it like this: Say Mavuika owes Ronova $2. Capitano goes "Aye ima give her the $2, dont worry about it. I dont care about the money anyways." Ronova gets paid, Mavuika debt is cleared, and Capitano didnt care anyways because his ultimate goal had nothing to do with the $2. He just wanted to chill. - The curse of immortality is a mandate from the HP that Ronova has to uphold cause thats her job. When she punches in to work, her badge says "Ruler of Death on planet Teyvat." Capitano's sacrifice is both a death that satisfies the debt, and a paradox, bc he can't "die." His soul is gone but his body is not. That's why we can visit him at the Throne. His body is alive but his soul is in the leylines. So to the HP, if they went to look, Capitano is technically still alive, but brain dead and living off an iron lung.

[@WaveEchos]

Captain: "Rules are meant to be broken!" Galatic Baseballer: "That's my line!"

[@BalderAs-s6v]

Nah fr fr😂😂😂

[@Yama_1291]

I don't think Capitanos and Mavuikas lives were judged equal because they were human. If that were the case any one human would do, but in the conversation with Xbalance, Renova is very clear about "countless innocents" being sacrificed if the pyro archon was to chicken out. The story also made a big deal of showing us that all three, Xbalance, the Captain and Mavuika are of almost the same power level. I think that is what Renova used to judge them with. "Power Level". She has a scouter.

[@Vegito_Thegot]

A scouter 😂

[@ZetaMoolah]

“Ronova! What does the scouter say about his power level!?”

[@fabotsy]

I think it’s not just about power: Capitano was holding inside him countless souls. To me, it was also about quantity

[@Luna_LU6546]

@@fabotsy basically this: If (Pyro archon denies death) then (countless people should pay the price) apply this rule to this case: If: (Mavuika denies death) (considering Capitano has countless souls inside him) then: (countless souls should pay the price) BUT, Capitano was holding souls that couldn't get into the night kingdom, so he merged his life with the Lord of the Night to grant access to the night kingdom, thus fulfiling the rule of countless lives.

[@yadakakadu]

Or simply the fact that they conquered their fear of death. But Dawit elects to ignore such details. And tends to take npcs with limited information on the lore at face value.

[@gracekelly146]

I also want to point out that she most likely upheld the curse of immortality instead of her own ‘logic’ of death because the curse of immortality could’ve been a direct order from the heavenly principals, basically her own rules or the HP’s… plus, she was trying not to get caught in the first place (in the deal with xabalanque)

[@gracekelly146]

I also need to break a habit of not watching the entire video before commenting 😔 great video though 🎉🎉

[@noidea7695]

You can look at this more as a mathematical equation. Ronova made it so that when people are killed by the abyss, they can be REVIVED with the sacred flame. This means that people **don't** die when they are killed and thus Ronova isn't 'harvesting' points (souls or deaths). Of course, there needs to be an exchange of close value to offset the value of souls not harvested/taken. From what Ronova said to Xbalanque, either an archon (high value death/soul) or many people (lower value souls/deaths?) must die to make up for it. Think of it as repayment/subsitution for the souls not harvested when they are killed. Like the difference between paying with 100x1$ bill or just a single 100$ bill. Capitano is a special case as he is very powerful and old (high value soul/death, close to an archon?) and he carries many souls with him (many lower value souls/deaths), which means he can 'afford' to pay the price for the revival of thousands+ of people.

[@No.Google.I.dont.like.handles]

11:32 for some reason when I think about the "value" Ronova is looking for, it reminds of the 3rd question Dainlief asked us when we first met him "This world has people who gained Visions, and those who did not. Which of the two do you think hold more importance in the eyes of the gods?"

[@jessiellanes3004]

And which I think is more valuable in your opinion? Mine its those who had no vision

[@MrAT-bw9uq]

Il Capitano is catching on his sleep that dude will be back....

[@yadakakadu]

The dude was trying to die for over five centuries. Stop copeing and let him rest.

[@captaindanger13]

@@yadakakadu i mean, there's a chance we might speak to his soul one time, but I doubt he'd willingly come back to living in the world unless there's a really good reason for it, which I doubt will happen in the near future.

[@stanysk]

Well they could let Lord of the night indwell his body, they're supposedly fused anyway

[@yadakakadu]

@@stanysk Wouldn't you be playing the Lord of the Night then though?

[@GLoLChibs]

@stanysk Let Xbalanque have his body.

[@MissusFail]

The silence on youtube was deafening. I was waiting for someone to cover this topic.

[@thetgcffiles]

fr but the quest just came out I'd give it a few days more

[@Firefly_night]

Peopole are catching up and cooking! No worries ❤

[@eerietteart]

Drink everytime Dawit says "RULES" XD

[@gladiatorone9023]

"... are made to be broken!"

[@516callersurge4]

Its either you love it or hate it , im on the side of love it , more interested in the nation than its playable characters but i understand if people want to feel connected to the characters. Thats why i think its 50/50! Also I still feel like Capitano still has a role to play… “i say as I get dragged back into the hospital!”

[@OrangeBanana836]

same, I love this archon quest finale. Fontaine is great and absolutely love it but you can't deny the fact that it's heavily focused on Furina, Focalor and Neuvilette which why they are so loved by the community while natlan focused on the nation and this is not bad, tho not for everyone, I'm glad natlan went on this route not the same as fontaine again

[@dear_totheheart]

Perhaps that's it...besides any other criticism/praise, we are left with a feeling of unresolved foreboding. As is, it does not feel complete... Copium intensifies

[@mustangbro2000]

kaneria possessed such advanced technology, and they gave this high-level tech to the captain, who wasn’t even highly ranked within their hierarchy. Imagine the kind of tech/items a higher-ranked individuals like Dane must have had access to.

[@Awakened-guy]

We think he didn't had ranking but he probably did. And wasn't high ranking he was the highest in ranking.

[@kirittv]

​@@Awakened-guywell he did say that Dain was even higher ranking than him. They only ever met once

[@Awakened-guy]

@@kirittv Dain was one of the most highly ranked individual in Khanriah compared to him capitano was ranked lower but that doesn't mean he was fking nobody.

[@kirittv]

@Awakened-guy lol well no He became the sentinel knight afterall.

[@Awakened-guy]

@kirittv yea

[@Truck-kun11]

I wonder if every Shade demands a price in order for their power to be used, and if so... What was the price Makoto had to pay to Istaroth?

[@luchicin]

Death probably,makoto went alone to khahenria'h

[@Micah_silly]

@@luchicin eh? istaroth is NOT the god of death

[@EthHawke94]

Probably depends on the Shade, and perhaps not all of them would demand a price to be paid.

[@Whenpigfly666]

Well, Istaroth is widely accepted as the God of Time... Or rather, Ruler of Time. So she would ask for "Time" in return. Whatever that would mean, I don't know. And that's assuming she would ask for a price in the first place. I'm more interested in if all of the Shining Shades uphold "rules" like Ronova, or if it's just Ronova who likes rules.

[@ashrafhakim379]

The time makoto can spend time with her sister(ei) aka death

[@krasusable]

Can't wait for Ashikai's video on this too.

[@codewithzi-5817]

My Name For Now's too. He made one before 5.3 server maintenance period

[@genesischaparro8954]

I think the Captain's life fulfills the second option of payment Ronova put on the table: that if the pyro archon doesn't die, countless others would die in their stead. Capitano was carrying an unknown amount of souls, both Khaenri'an and Natlanese, so that amount of lives became of equal value as the pyro archon's.

[@1Gymfreak1]

Hang in there capitano. We’ll free him in the next few patches. I BELIEVE…

[@13Nagash13]

And la signora will rise from the ashes in flames and be playable....... right? Right?

[@Firstlast-zg1fs]

Our glorious captain is just taking a nap

[@Saratheidklol]

damn I love this guy’s sense of humor

[@xcaedes]

This is just the beginning…..

[@Saratheidklol]

@@xcaedes wha😨..... nah dw i started following him a couple of months ago lol

[@Xuasarr]

The travel log in the Archive clearly states that and i quote "To sustain the curse of immortality, Ronova relinquishes her demand for the price of death." Basically meaning that Ronova chose to forsake her rule of death for using her power over forsaking the curse of immortality cuz as Capitano mentions that Ronova lacks the capacity to bear the consequences of a Paradox and like you said relinquishing the curse would mean going against the Heavenly principle's demands. Capitano had Ronova in a Chokehold which is just ABSOLUTE CINEMA.

[@Xuasarr]

Just to clarify, after making Ronova forsake her demand of death, Capitano merges with the Lord of the Night in order to: 1. Change the rules of Natlan to allow outlander souls to rest in the Night Kingdom 2. Allow his soul to rest along with his comrades too mentioned at 14:09 3. Infinitely fuel the Lord of the Night with his immortal body so that the Lord of the Night and the Rules of Natlan are immortal too So Capitano is basically in a perpetual coma. He didn't die cause he had to in order to fulfill Ronova's price of death, he died cause he wanted to.

[@joshuaeffendichoa9164]

Been waiting for this video from the moment 5.3 drop

[@silliiya]

real 🙏🏻

[@mohammadgamer6875]

All victory and glory belong to THE Captain

[@lazyFox99]

Okay I think this makes sense. The AQ was still a bit too “power of friendship” but I see where my misunderstanding came from 😮

[@random_guy_Ash]

Ok so let me cook As we all know Dottore will burn the IRMINSUL in the future also the abyss is working on the project of ‘changing the fate” from the heart of first field tiller So as the entire Irminsul will burn in future there will be the need on new memories and fate So what if the abyss or someone else completed the project and rewind khaenri'ah to 500 years ago which will make it good place to explore It will be awesome and I thinking the story is progressing that way In this way the lay line system will be vanished and capitano will be free Fun fact: in the Shimulanka special event we got to know about changing reality with creativity it can also hint in that

[@Awakened-guy]

The Abyss is different from Khanriahns. The Abyss order already have the loom of fate.

[@DariaVikman]

“RULES” is sending me every time

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

hey daria its been a while

[@DariaVikman]

@ long time no see dawit! I’ve not been around too much cause I skipped 3 past hsr main story quests (catching up now) + Natlan archon quests only interested me with Capitano crumbs (hence why I’m here today)

[@DariaVikman]

@ Just realized you’re almost at 30k followers, that’s huge!!

[@aude2054]

I can't stop laughing every time he start to tell the full title of the primordial one 😂

[@Umarweeb]

I can't help but feel like saluting Thrain whenever i see him or hear his name now.

[@plenilunarium]

I remember that one of Neuvillette's stories said something along the lines that, while the power from the Visions come from the gods by giving a portion of their own power, what they receive in turn is much greater than what they give. Maybe the same applies to Ronova here, where she allows her power to be used and as a rule death must come. What caught my attention is that in 5.3 it was stated that the life to be taken must be of the same value. In this case, Capitano's life was a good bargain for Mavuika's. But if it weren't enough, countless lives to would be taken to compensate for that. I have the suspicion that as mentioned earlier, Ronova has some sort of gain here.

[@adityabutimdumb]

THE PRIMODIAL ONE A PROGINETAR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS

[@darkshei1756]

Man you made my day dude it was going horrific but you and your humor brightened it lmao keep it up!

[@exogenesis7293]

why did bro edge us out of a primordial one mention got me excited for nothing when he said creator and the music started playing

[@exogenesis7293]

Just made it near the end and he gave us that sweet release after all

[@wuwuchi]

Your choice of words is fascinating. ​@@exogenesis7293

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

LMAO

[@AleksaLSmith]

I really hope you will do a deep dive on the Simulanka story in light of the recent turn of events. For me, the "ending" of the Archon quest gave Simulanka a completely different meaning and the story's likely far from being over and I'm curious about your take on it!

[@Negolossauro]

anyone else noticed the difference in Ronova's voice in Xbalanque flashback and in the quest? It's not just the effects to cause fear, and the eyes thing (only when talking to Xbalanque she was showing herself in presence) but her tone, her intention, the way she speaks, she seems different, as if she had transformed in another thing

[@mohammedalamer4456]

I felt that

[@pedrosilva-di4lg]

Still I find that it’s a big plot hole the fact that Ronova couldn’t have just said no to the proposal of exchanging the target of death, why would she have to chose Capitano’s life when it only brought 2 troublesome choices, while stick with the original contract would just be simpler for her? (The only reason I see she doing this is that she is just a big tsundere that actually cares about Natlan and sees this a great opportunity to turbo charge the Lord of the Night so that she can protect the Night Kingdom forever from the abyss, but Ronova hasn’t shown any indication of caring that much) This really feels like the the writers had already chosen the ending for Capitano’s story without establishing the process of him getting there but then needed a way to make it happen, and didn’t really thought it through from an outsider perspective.

[@daridon2483]

Ronova had to follow capitano's choices because what he said was actually a threat. She didn't accept exchanging the targets, she was forced to. If she didn't forsake any of the two rules and killed mavuika, capitano would still fuse with the lord of the night regardless and trigger the paradox, uprooting the principles of Teyvat and thus getting ronova in a LOT of trouble with the heavenly principles. Also shades seem to have very little freedom in their actions, considering she didn't even kill mavuika herself, but rather had to let her rules do it for her.

[@caiohl8135]

We're also literally told by the Lord of Night it was Ronova herself who went against the Heavenly Principles and restored Natlan's leylines in an "act of love", for which she was later punished.

[@nickter745thebold8]

I’m trying to wrap my head around how that process could’ve happened another way. Can you help?

[@kirittv]

You must understand that Ronova as annoying as she is for torturing the Khaenriahns, she did what was mandated by the heavenly principles. She isn't demanding death because she wants to kill anyone, it is simply a rule that she must follow. She needed a life that was of equal or greater sacrifice to Mavuika to satisfy the usage of her power over death. It was either going to be Mavuika or the entire ppl of natlan something to that effect. But Captain's life force and resolve was the perfect catalyst to supersede not only Ronova's mandate but also exact the perfect revenge on the Heavenly principles. Because Ronova cannot undo the curse of immortality, as that involves an entire group of people, at least not without guidance from the Gods above. She chose the paradox instead but The Captain gave her no choice and neither did the Lord of the night who had already decided that she would take on the Captain's life force. And afterall Ronova was the one who initially helped Xbalanque.

[@pedrosilva-di4lg]

@@kirittv yeah but isn't technically Ronova a superior to the Lord of the Night in the celestial hierarchy? Can't just command the Lord of the Night or even if she wouldn't obey, can't Ronova enforce her will with her power? So shouldn't the Lordo of the Night actually fear Ronova? Or at the very least Ronova could just snitch on her to the Heavenly P. however long it takes for it to emerge, on the long term she should be feared, but seems like the Lord of the Night kinda does what she wants. I think this is the problem. I feel that Ronova should be saying "wait a minute i'm the one who decides" then why would she make an objectively worse choice for herself?

[@avoidable69]

I think their lives are of equal value because both doesn't fear death, remember how renova told xbalanque that he needs to overcome his natural fear of death, otherwise she will have to take countless innocent lives instead. from my understanding the value of someone's death depends on how much they fear death. more fear=less value.

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

Nope, value of life is not about the will It just about how strong you are In other word, the quality of your life decided by your power A normal people life is far less value than mavuika doesn’t matter they willing to dead for her or not Less powerfull mean less value

[@avoidable69]

@vietcuongnguyenle8530 in that case why xbalanque's life had so little value for renova that she would rather kill entire nation ?

[@ralphmettle]

5:21 THE BIG TING 🗣️

[@hansen18id]

Thank you Dawit one of the cc that brings positive and fun vibes..

[@r584v]

Shades are scary as fk, now imagine the primordial one because some might have expected them to be beautiful and angelic but after seeing ronova….

[@KelumKey]

But it’s not Renova herself. This is her... camera what she used to observe. Remember, Istaroth and Asmoday looks like human, not eyes

[@r584v]

@ we haven’t seen istorath in person right?

[@Nationalist166]

​@@r584v We didn't see Istaroth, and i personally don't think the statue in Inazuma is supposed to be her, but we did saw Asmoday who is practically confirmed to be the Shade of Space, we just need the confirmation in game, also it's made clear that this is just one of Ronova's forms in the AQ, and Asmoday's cubes attacks have the same eyes that Ronova have in them.

[@r584v]

@ those cubes from asmoday are too similar to some one is another hoyo game Need to make sure mavuika never meets her

[@saigonrider]

So by death here the captain's soul cursed with immortality is fused with the lord of the night, thus making her immortal as well?

[@user-do1vo6ts8h]

Yeps

[@林振华-t4v]

Thats why it is a win.

[@alexwebber6663]

Great video man appreciate putting this out to hear your perspective on this even though the quest really depressed you. Hope you can do a follow up on the other big lore drops we got towards the end like a possible 8th element?

[@WillSmith-x8z]

i think the whole value thing is still applicable, as "countless" innocent souls would have died, meaning multiple would have subsituted

[@cardnacn6704]

I saw a comment from roozevelt's video that perfectly summarize how Capitano save Natlan. - Ronova doesn't have the right to choose the sacrifice(nor doe she care about it), but "the way to die" and bc she accept the " offering a life to the Lord of the Night(LotN)" as the way to pay the debt. It's now the right for the LotN to choose the sacrifice to pay that debt. Kinda like if you buy Ronova's product(power), she ask which way you're gonna pay it. You offer a certain way to pay(offering lif to the LotN) and ask her if she accept that way or not. She doesn't if you're gonna use your own money(life) or others to pay. As long as you pay her in equal amount(or greater), she will accept it. - I think the "amount" of payment is how this "death" can benefit Teyvat. Mavuika offers her life force that prolong the LotN for a few 100 years, while Capitano can offer a much longer life. This is why Ronova said that if the Pyro Archon would be chicken out and offer others, it might cost countless life bc it requires a lot of life to reach that "amount" - The reason why Ronova chose the curse of immortality over her rule of death to avoid the paradox is bc the curse of immortality has higher authority to govern life than the death itself(I think Dain said something along this line before.). That's why those with the curse can't die. About the act 5, while I think it's weaker than Sumeru or Fontaine, I like Natlan AQ as a whole more than the other 2 bc even tho I think Fontaine act 5 is the best act, act 3 and the early part of act 4 brings down a lot of points for me when judging Fontaine AQ as a whole. Compare to Sumeru, I think I like the lore Natlan gives a bit more. Also, I think the peak of Natlan AQ is in act 4, not act 5 like Sumeru and Fontaine.

[@henoji777]

Thanks for this detailed breakdown. It was established that the curse is on another level of reality so makes sense that immortality curse rule> death from borrowing ronova's power Annoying that the story went on and on about specifically mavuika dying but I get that they were trying to do the win on a technicality "i am no man" type of loophole with who can die. Just badly executed because they backtracked to clarify that it was 'a' death at the last possible moment instead of making the terms of the rule to bend clear from the start. thinking about the scene it did feel out of character for Mavuika to remain silent when someone else offered to be the sacrifice. She was portrayed as being missing her friends and family and tired all this time, but i guess she sensed cap.was even worse off than her so shut her mouth? (Wish we could have gotten her thinking as such at least).

[@lnsflare1]

I'm guessing that Ronova might actually be pleased by this, since I doubt that the Shade that brought Death (which was described as being a peaceful respite that led to eventually rebirth) to Teyvat was happy to make an entire nation immortal and force them to suffer for eternity. If this still counts as triggering the paradox, she might actually like it now since it would stress out the Heavenly Principles who were probably behind that order and her current despir.

[@Moraxn]

My favorite part is that renova could have just denied the Captains demand. I see using the ruler of deaths power to be like a contract that nobody should be able to break.

[@Whisszy]

So from most people's thesis . HP (Heavenly principles):is the boss the boss gives out rules. Roniva is scared of HP. HP says she should be the CEO of the rules not the creator the upholder of the rules. HP like shining shades because they are part if him that's why he firgive ronova first time. Ronova go to Tevyat and become ruler of death not necessarily the creator like a king that rukes a city but isn't the creator the builder the foundation of the city. Ronova borrow Tevyat power that takes part of power it's like mauvika burst 100 she can use it but the damage is lesser but 200 is full power and the best so ronova gave her power from 200 to 100 so she wants some back to fill 200 but inly tangible souls can be offered that must be human because humans by the natural order are mortals and mortals can die which is death. So fir example playable natlan characters csn charge mauvika burst but to a certain extent some give 90(xiolenen)some give 60(kachina) some give 80( chasca) So with this we can make that every mortal has a spirit point that they give like non natlanese gives 1.5 to 2 points per normal atk tick so people like Arlechhino can give up to 10 in one rotation so we can make that non playable characters given even lesser because visions are titles to watch kver humanity in respective areas Non vision holders hild less value in some sort that's why ronova said if the death doesn't take place well plenty of others will die imagine wanting to reach 0 to 200 points but one human non vision holdee gives like 0.5 then multiply by 200 that's 400 people will die for ronova to charge 💀. 💀💀💀💀💀☠️☠️💀💀💀💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️💀☠️☠️. Anyways so ronova is acting all though to humans but in reality she's really scared. Remember when she said the fate of humanity doesn't concern her yeah she chucken out she was growing impatient and needed her power which might imply the impending awake of the heavenly principles. Remember the rhe sustainer. THE SUSTAINER NOT THE CREATOR SUSTAINER OF THE HEAVENLY PRINCIPLES. The principles are the rules and the rules is the like the ruler of the whole of Tevyat. Take it like this. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The word is the principles the principles are with phanes and the principles is phanes so to defy the rules is to defy the person of phanes please don't compare phanes to God it's an analogy. Anyways. The sustainer would be the one uphold the rules so like the ronova is scared of the sustainer because she's gonna snitch of her if she finds out😂😂 i could go on and on but the so called gods are literally children in disguise. It's like saying adults don't cry. They shouldn't 😅😂😂

[@TheTranquilMadness]

Along with humans being equal in the eyes of the greater beings of Teyvat, I think your explanation is also supported by the fact that Ronova was still getting the other alternative she posited with Xbalanque from Capitano's sacrifice--namely, the thousands of innocent "lives" Capitano was sheltering within him which were now able to flow into the Night Kingdom and become part of the "death" established as a rule of Natlan's Ley Lines.

[@chalo3427]

The little tease of it had me worried that it won't happen, but then it did and it blessed my day and soul in ways unimaginable

[@Beastgaming.9]

This is what i think happened. I cant explain it properly but ill try The ruler of death relinquished the demand for death. The uproot in the natural order would be caused if the Captain sacrificed( with death) himself. But since the ruler of death relinquished the demand of death it just merely resulted in the fusion without death.

[@lfestevao]

One has to go: A. Rule of Immortality - demanded by H. P. Loves Humans (his craft) B. Rule of Death - dealt under the table with Xba-chan (easy choice)

[@davidjohnson8273]

by H. P. Loves Humans (his craft) by H.P. Lovecraft?

[@ErikaBuilds]

Does anyone else feel like there should be 3 eyes on both sides but one is missing? The seventh! Which could be the lost hydro archon.

[@angieyonaga6639]

do you think the 5.3 archon quest really is finished? the pyro gems description hasnt been changed yet. and mavuika said another harbinger would probably be sent to natlan. and since leakers have been saying that snezhnaya wont be released in 6.0, i thought maybe the 6.0 patches will continue the natlan archon quest and release new regions in other nations

[@Azzywrld224]

Playable capitano coming some day 🫦 he’s gonna have an avatar that will be a 5 star cryo tall male with two stances.. one resembling capitano and the other resembling the lord of the night 🌚.. he will start the reverse melt meta. (I’m currently in a physic ward send help)

[@Ayumu31]

u know, ive been thinking about something. In fontaine they said the heavenly principles are asleep cause they are prolly wounded or something. And we know one of the 4 shades Asmodeus (the unknown god in the starting game cutscene) was prolly wounded after the khanreah disaster if u look at her hands. Now that is why we all thought the heavenly principle n the shades were quiet when the hydro throne was destroyed was cause they were in a hibernation state. YET we see Ronova casually coming here to fulfill her contract. So that means the other shades must be awake as well, so why didn't they do anything when the hydro throne was destroyed n its power to returned to a dragon soverign?!? Because we know Phanes n their shades fought Nibelung and the sovereigns so they should have responsibility even if Phanes was the only one asleep. And heck even Ronvoa saw Paimon directly n didn't comment anything about her. Also am i the only one who finds Ronova's voice kinda hot?

[@Moomoo0410]

One thing that bothered me in this ending is that there's no interaction of ronova, lotn (lord of the night), capitano towards the traveler, kinda made the MC out of place and we were just watching it unfold (just as zhongli said) but regardless, i need more interactions

[@crammothy]

I have to say that the whole sequence of Capitano’s death starting from when we first arrived at Ochkanatlan this archon quest was done very well. Ronova look incredible, the voice acting from Capitano was amazing and the death was fitting. Also Capitano’s life being worth as much as Mavuika’s does make sense to me as they were portrayed as equals in the entire Natlan story.

[@el7284]

Missed opportunity to include "DA RULEZ"

[@chriss.249]

6:59 I think i get it Its kinda similar to mcus soul gem on vormir. To get it, u have to trade a soul for it. Someone has to die to obtain the power. They did it in Cw flash too during crisis. The headlines said flash dissapears and dies in crisis, and everyone was convinced it was barry. Whole time it was an OG flash that ended up doing it

[@Firefly_night]

If you like the AQ or not , i was seen it as a beautiful love story and became capri-sun shipper 😂❤

[@bobseesall]

I could see a situation similar to the Wanderer happening. The Captain that fought and saved Natlan is dead, but the lord of the night as the Captain is alive.

[@NutellaOnBagel]

The Primordial One--A SEXY PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS ✨

[@_Choco_]

The shades are such interesting and mysterious beings... I was genuinely so surprised that we actually got to see and talk with one, let alone the one that RULES over death. I hope we get to see the other shades now; i'm very interested in Istaroth... Also, I knew this comment (0:55) would come back and haunt me one day 😅

[@thongorshengar]

I thibo one other thing that people overlooked despite being huge thing lore-wise: Khaenriah souls (some) returning to the Leyline. Part of Curse of Immortality decreed upon Khaenriah is that their souls wouldn't be able to return to Leyline. However because Ronova chickened out and let Capitano fused with Lord of the Night, this give him access to Natlan Ley Line which allows his subordinates spirit to finally laid to rest. This has huge implications because Curse of Immortality is a decree made by the Heavenly Principles themselves. While Ronova did not trigger the paradox by abrogating her own rule, Capitano still did so by return some Khaenriah souls to the Ley Line: Khaenriah souls shouldn't be able to return to Ley Lime yet some do! This, I speculate, should have create paradox in itself. But why they don't make it as much as big of a deal in contrary to reality? I think it because Mihoyo wanted to this Natlan story to properly conclude without this Capitano part of the story steal the spotlight. He is definitely a plot device that used for hook and cliffhanger for the next arc of story but like I said before Mihoyo deliberately downplay its gravity.

[@Fulldrag7802]

Broooo I need to know the name of the music that you use every time the Heavenly Principles are mentioned. It’s haunting asf and damn I love it

[@MrDee001]

In summary, in using Ronova's power, she then demands death equivalent to the initial agreement. This could mean one death or many to make up for the one. Death is not required. It's simply the *rule* that Ronova has made.

[@pvrplesky]

really excited for the dainsleif quest this year

[@im_not_joth]

I believe Capitano's resurrection will mirror the lore of Frozen Throne.

[@reece5634]

If the rule was Mavuika’s death, she can just wait until old age to die naturally, thus completing the rule

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

It is a option But night lord is close to dead, so it make that option is not a choice anymore

[@reece5634]

@ oh yeah, so true. I forgot about that part

[@pba7]

At least the T(h)rain arrived at the final station.

[@real-raiden-ei]

I was waiting for 15:50

[@johnb1145]

Aaargh, i still can't come to terms how descender knowledge became just common. How the heck did Citlali know it?! How the hell did everyone started knowing about the existence of shades now...siiigh

[@ziebus]

15:47 here you go the line

[@brickshlick]

wait what vid did yall see the grippers for free in ??? (asking for a friend)

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

lmao

[@BlairAnsor]

I think the lives are equal value. Because both mavuika are equally matched in power and are also essentially the same people. Both live and die by honour.

[@kevingame3198]

15:49 yeah the same primordial from Halo, who also created the forerunners

[@WSP1482]

capitano use his curse of immortality to save natlan to send all the souls of his people of khaenri'ah ans natlan's to night kingdom by doing so capitano also breaks the curse of himiko deaths in hoyoverse by saving mavuika.

[@allyzapena1001]

Capitano really pulled a Loki Finale on us

[@jansamp4882]

What If capitano and tsaritsa planned all thus? Tsaritsa get all Gnosis to cerate a new decender, this one could be capitanos soul in new Body. Sorry for my Bad eng :#

[@captaindanger13]

Gonna send this to everyone I see asking how Capitano's death was accepted to save my energy

[@coffeeking9565]

The way i saw it, capitano and mavuikas lives werent equal because theyre both human, but rather that their roles in the fate of teyvat are equally important. If celestia can control fate- then some random natlan schlub cant be scapegoated as a sacrifice. One contradiction to my idea is that Aether/Lumine werent ever considered as an equal sacrifice to Mavuika, possibly because theyre a descender

[@Iliketraumatizing_Ocs]

Tbh my theory is that renova is a bunch of eyes not only because shes watching everyone but because it also reminds her she needs to be more careful this time because the other eyes are reminders that is she goes against the rules the heavenly principles made she would be over thrown reason behind this is because she didnt apper in that eye form with the first pyro archon so why is she now because she doesnt want it to repeat.

[@reece5634]

Already in Natlan and Mihoyo still haven’t fixed the issue with the audio and visual of the character’s mouth not syncing 😭

[@nikibnnuy]

here for the PRIMORDIAL ONE

[@krio5]

Any idea why Ronova cannot deal with the paradox creted using her own rule? If she rejects the rule that death is necessary for using her power, then Capitano's paradox should be resolved. That seems to be a better outcome than ignoring the paradox that can break the world.

[@ajbrawlstars8844]

How many rules in the video aahhhhhhh

[@sayu_sama]

HE SAID THE THING

[@hexaquras9374]

Ronova gets edged by Capitano

[@rufenrufeo4118]

Like and Subscribe those are the "Rules" (dong bell)!

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

:D

[@suds8235]

11:35 nah. it's probably because he had countless souls in him. so either the pyro archon or countless lives no other reason why he said that bs on his heart

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

The soul inside him isn’t countless It not little but far from countless He only collect the soul can’t enter leyline

[@suds8235]

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 yeah yeah whatever but it fullfills what they said earlier that if it wasnt the pyro archon countless lives will be used instead so whatever amount he has in there, fulfilled that description

[@trougas]

Bro physically asleep and not there. But remember the Traveller's dream before battle? Cap, Guthred and other souls are knocking the walls in the night kingdom. They are predicting Cap and the others tryna fix and alter the night kingdom so it can accept khaenrian and non natlanese. Once its complete, then Cap will be the true master of the night kingdom.

[@goofyobama]

theres still hope for capitano to be playable, if you want more info on that watch catwithbluehat's video on that, but i have some theories on how he could become playable in 2 scenarios (please correct me if i have any flaws) 1. capitano probably harbors hate towards the 5 sinners, so maybe just maybe dottore makes him a vessel similar to his old self(thrain) and speaks to the lord of the night on bringing capitano back/the lord of the night using the vessel to bring vengeance on the 5 sinners 2. (more likely to happen) (not leaks just speculation) 5.7 archon quest abyss order come to natlan(this is likely already happening due to the appearance of the cryo abyss herald that we say in the boss fight domain and mind you we have only seen a cryo abyss herald TWICE once in the caribert archon quest, and the other in the spiral abyss, this calls for some crazy shit happening) because they are trying to find out how the loom of fate works, and is probably best done in natlan because it has a night kingdom instead of normal leylines, they succeed in finding it out and then they speak with mavuika and the lord of the night on replacing the night kingdom with their new, fresh, strong ley lines. They accept the offer since its better than night kingdom, and then the captain alongside the lord of the night have nowhere to go, they seek a vessel to take form in, but because of capitano's sense of righteousness he chooses to take form in his original body, and voila hes back (copium)

[@goofyobama]

just found 2 more ways this could happen 3. a new capitano is made from his stories in natlan, 1 for thrain, the other for the captain, as people realise that they are teh same person, the souls start to merge, then capitano/the lord of the night grant them the ability to take form in the mortal realm(idk if thats possible tho) and they go back to capitanos body as they have the same sense of nobility/justice as the real capitano does. 4. the fatui do some real evil and sinister shit and try to seperate capitano from the lord of the night, they would do this as a way to try and convince mavuika to give them the gnosis, dottore could provide a new vessel for capitano and maybe the abyss order and the fatui collaborate by one of them making new ley lines while columbina does some evil ass angel magic shit to seperate capitano from lord of the night. Columbina could also find a way to take the existing memories and souls from the night kingdom to the new ley lines.

[@KusanakiEva]

Whoever count how many 'rules' have been mentioned in this video, in return I will subscribe to their KZbin acc

[@HonkaiBane]

This us just like in Fontaine. The flood as a punishment is required, but not people's lives. Death is paid, for Mavuika live is so precious that many people in Natlan would die Edit: Not exactly, but I think that the rule. I think Celestia didn't notice something is bad untill bang there is no hydro archon anymore xd. So no intervention happen. Just send Ronova Edit Celestia isn't that smart, Furina faking archon was convincing that all nation and archon were going to die. But hell no divide throne was destroyed.

[@davidjohnson8273]

Ronova: as a shade I'm limited and can't overstep my boundaries.... don't tell the PO about this please Lord of the Night: oh the PO's gonna hate this idea.... well I dgaf.... I serve humanity It feels as if the Angels have a mandate that exceeds even the PO, meaning they can disagree with the PO as long as it's for humanity's sake. But the Shades, though more powerful, and in some sense the bosses, do NOT have such a mandate. Ronova orders Lord of the Night to take Mavuika and she says "no". Ronova says to herself more or less, "well you're an Angel after all, so you have your own mandate". Is this part of why the PO kicks the Angels out of heaven? Even though they and the PO both independently love humanity?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

its interesting because the lord of the night is also the same person who referred to the heavenly principles in an odd manner, she at first said "almighty" but then stopped herself and simply said heavenly principles

[@qwertystranger]

Not to get hung up on particular word, but regarding the 'Perinheri' book, one thing that bugged me was that it describes the crimson moon turning around to reveal a 'horrified' eye, not 'horrifying'. Assuming this is Ronova, what the heck did she witness that made her audibly gasp, overstep her authority and consequently get punished?

[@kirittv]

What isn't being stated here is that the life or death that was needed must meet the unsaid requirement that the death of the person must be of the same gravitas. The lord of the night says of Mavuika how her soul her fire is powerful and can sustain her only for so long. Mavuika says for 200-300 years. The captain's life force or whatever you wanna call it is immortalised by Ronova hence it being a suitable if not a greater substitute to Mavuika's soul. That to me is what i gathered by the words Citlali says when saying only Mavuika can offer this death. Lastly, the person also had to come to terms with death itself. I think that was another requirement not specifically outlined. Sidenote. Go update yourself with the snezhnaya diplomats in Mondstat they have very cool dialogue.

[@raikakuu]

Summary of the rules: 1. When you use Ronova's authority, death is demanded back not as price but as a rule. 2. The manner of death is not important, only that it happens. 3. The user of the borrowed authority doesn't have to be the one that dies, as long as the value of their lives are the same (Citlali mistook it as only mavuika being able to since it was the only option the Lord of the Night gave at the time before Capitano made the proposal) Capitano's Plan: 1. Merge with the Lord of the Night, acting as the sacrifice 2. Use the curse of immortality to force Ronova to abandon one rule or trigger a world ending paradox. Outcome: Capitano merged with the Lord of the Night. He is now braindead, but his immortality still exists and is currently being shared with the Lord of the Night. Interesting point: Ronova upholding the curse was the best outcome since if the immortality was canceled, the sacrifice wouldn't have been a permanent solution.

[@林振华-t4v]

To further elaborate why Citali was wrong. She just a knowledge the condition. But did not review what the actual "clasues". It was not until Captino able to review the clasues with the night lord he found there is a such a loophole he can exploit.

[@ashVGF]

13:20 Does that mean he triggered the paradox? Edit: just read description, looking forward to the next vid on this!

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

that desc is worthless lol. so far as we understand ronova gave up "death" as part of her deal with xbalanque, so she gave up one of her rules which is what the captain wanted

[@stanysk]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia As I understand it, she didn't give up on the rule, only that curse of immortality has higher priority, so he is still considered a sacrifice, but won't die as a result. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, why giving up on the rule instead of just proclaiming him not being an alternative to Mavuika and demanding her death instead?

[@ashVGF]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia you mentioned your making another video on it in the desc so that was nice haha. Are you saying giving up death was part of the deal with Xbalanque? My interpretation is by dropping the rule of death, the paradox is avoided. He's alive and dead at the same time after, which is fine. The rule of death required *only* death but now that rule isn't applied. It seems the paradox is with the rules rather than the Captain's actual actions. This way, the motivation for dropping the rule of death makes sense (avoid the paradox), else she could've just kept both rules.

[@Smash_ter]

minor tangent but anyone else hate that the "s" in genshin VAs is extremely sharp?

[@CarlosRivera-db8qq]

The captain is not dead he will return but probably not for sometime his body still stands but his spirit was infused to the lay lines mark my word he will return after the burning of the tree by the doctor

[@coffeeking9565]

The whole ronova deal makes me so curious for future reveals of how the other shades operated. Did Istaroth make a deal with monstadt or ekanomiya for time manipulation? Does the shade of void allow people to create spacial rifts and pocket dimensions (looking real sus hexenzircle) Does the shade of life grant eternal life? Ps: we hear ronova speak with xabalanque without her evil eldrictch god filter, so its funny that shes essentially trying to speak in her "big girl" voice to intimidate everyone. It reminds me of the aliens from chicken little

[@martinahatrikova6051]

One thing I don’t understand is how Guthred and the other Khaenri’ahn soldiers were able to die and beat the curse of immortality. Since they didn’t turn into Hilichurls and kept fighting by Capitano’s side, I’m assuming that they were pure blooded Khaenri’ahns. So how did they die?

[@cardnacn6704]

Maybe bc they died while fighting the abyss, the force of outside of Teyvat that the rules established by the Heavenly Principles and the 4 shades don't apply.