Is Phainon an Aeon? - Star Rail 3.0 Amphoreous Predictions PLUS Kevin + Elysia Lore

[@defiantmars9910]

Huh, I hadn’t considered that Elio might be a Kevin before, but since the Stellaron Hunters do follow the Path of Finality it would make sense if their leader was. I’ll keep that thought in the back pocket.

[@sassqueenamy]

I reckon I am SO far off - but I could defs see it being something whacky that Hoyo would pull

[@Hoshimine]

Phainon HAS to be an emanator or even an aeon himself. I’m not expecting less from THE Kevin Kaslana variant

[@coraW]

i REALLY hope he's an emanator of something we don't know much about

[@sassqueenamy]

Weirdly, I hadn't even considered the Emanator idea because I was so fixed on the Aeon/Elio idea haha! I am still thinking on what Hoyo said in the livestream too, when they talked about Amphoreous having Emanator level beings, but not 100% sure who they mean yet haha!

[@Hoshimine]

@@sassqueenamy before Amphoreus I always thought Kevin’s gonna be either Elio or Diamond. Pls hyv, you made Acheron an emanator, make Kevin one too!

[@runic6452]

The question to be asked is, an emanator of what path? Enigmata, maybe? Finality?

[@runic6452]

​@@sassqueenamy about that... I think the emanator level beings mentioned was the titans (they're not aeons, and they remind me of phantylia and even great septimus if you count him as an emanator of ena)

[@TheQwertyisdead]

Great video, I could feel the passion and thought that went into this. Hope my view, like, and comment can help others see it. As a big Pardofelis fan, I'm just hoping Amphoreus' resident catgirl gets the laidback life she deserves 🙏

[@sassqueenamy]

@TheQwertyisdead thank you! This has made my day! So keen for Amphoreous! And yesss, I love Pardo! Can't wait to see what Cypher gets up to 🥳

[@pfeilinger4463]

i really hope you blow up, this was such a great video and i absolutely love your theories at the end. i also always really like the HI3 footage, i think this game has such a special feel

[@sassqueenamy]

This is such a kind comment, thank you so much! SO grateful for everyone checking out this vid. I loved making it and can't wait to do more!

[@cipher-one]

I wouldn't look too deeply into the Nameless thing with Phainon as the EN version has plenty "lost in translation" moments going on. Specifically, the Nameless are referred to with specific terms in CN and JP which they don't use with Phainon. At least if my CN is correct anyway. In JP, it's lot more obvious since they use "Nanashibito" for the Nameless but refer to Phainon with other terms instead. When they're calling him nameless, the implication is that it's literal and that his real name is unknown kinda like with Acheron for example. Also, Phainon's CN name (pronounced Bai'e if I'm not mistaken) apparently means "White Calamity" according to people I've asked. That aside, someone on reddit translated the lyrics of the CN version of Nameless Faces and the word "Samsara" came up. That alone should say a lot about what to expect from Amphoreus considering the Honkai series' history with the Samsara. My boy Kevin about to get caught up in some bullshit again goddammit 😅

[@valerie_sees]

I had a feeling this was the case! Sometimes we need to keep in mind that translations are just that. Translations. It isnt the same as deriving the meaning out of a language we already understand.

[@Sofia-ge6wm]

This is so good!!! I'm so excited to see Welt's reaction to the Kevin and Elysia expys

[@sassqueenamy]

Our poor sweet Welt - it's going to be really cool to see how he deals with all of this from the outside!

[@Sofia-ge6wm]

@@sassqueenamy Yes!!! I also really hope that he shares so info about his world to the Express crew!!!

[@Nova_700]

he never met Elysia tho, he probably barely knows if not at all about her existence

[@MiniFatRat]

Welt doesn’t know elysia

[@Sayonaura-kb5cb]

I love the fact that I was playing Hi3rd when elysian realm first apeared. It was such a beautyful time in the hi3rd fandom. Everyone was united and agreed that Elysia is our pink Jesus .

[@sassqueenamy]

Oh my goodness - I wish I could have experienced that time. It would have been so special. Can't wait to get our own version of that time with Star Rail now!

[@Sayonaura-kb5cb]

@sassqueenamy I think that the video that sums up this feeling and the fandoms unity is [Moon Halo] Dreamy Euphony (i cried watching it) It was such a beautyful end to our elysian realm chapter journey. 😭💖

[@AxilFodilIghouba]

Subbed. Amazing video and i love your voice and delivery! (I want phainon so supports but the units are looking insane..)

[@sassqueenamy]

Thank you so much - I really appreciate it! :D Hopefully you will be a Phainon haver when the time comes!

[@aliadel1475]

There are so many 3.0 stories a Story to Rescue our Elysia A story of loop and saving from the loop or Kevin Kevin chooses to restart the word or someone chooses to put this world in a loop there are so many things it could be. is hard to make a solid prediction

[@sassqueenamy]

@aliadel1475 definitely tricky to predict, but a lot of fun to theorise regardless!

[@aliadel1475]

@@sassqueenamy True it Best part

[@CJBooks4]

Another great Breakfast Time with Amy video, 'cause that's basically what the timing of your videos always seem to be Amy😅💖😊

[@graenovember]

i have my own theories that don’t align with yours, but i absolutely love everyone’s ideas and theory-making. it doesn’t matter if it’s right or not; all of this is so fun before a massive story drop 🥰 and i hope amphoreus’ story is fulfilling for everyone

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Good Theory! I am also fairly confident that the final of the 3 paths on Amphoreous is either Enigmata, Finality, Elation, The Order, Nihility or Destruction.

[@onething65]

You just named like half of the remaining Aeons

[@coraW]

why elation? i think finality and enigmata are the most likely tbh. maybe order but idk about the other two

[@sassqueenamy]

I am definitely leaning towards Enigmata myself based on some of the Circle of Knowledge stuff that was happening in the sim universe storyline. Can't wait to see what they are cooking!

[@averagehi3enjoyer]

I think it's Erudition, Remembrance & Finality

[@CJBooks4]

I can tell just how much love and passion you have for HoyoVerse games Amy, thank you for sharing💖😄

[@sassqueenamy]

@CJBooks4 thank you for watching! Glad that my love for the games comes through hahah ❤️

[@blackmark2899]

I'll call it. The Vortex Genesis is where the Stellaron is. It's the reason behind the golden age the planet experienced and in its true monkey paw fashion, it has caused the Black Tide. Remembrance has frozen the planet in a time loop of memories and now they are on the crossroads of determining their fate.

[@alexberry8339]

KEBIN

[@sassqueenamy]

KEBIN KASLANA RETURNS

[@xuccucu]

Kephale’s divine authority/core flame symbol looks exactly like the cocoon of finality and this symbol is also in Phainon’s eyes

[@sassqueenamy]

SOOO much visual language that is reused which has made a lot of people think of Ena (Order) but I agree, so many similarities for the Cocoon

[@averagehi3enjoyer]

After witnessing Izumo and Amphoreus i feel like every world has their own version of disaster like hi3 with their Honkai from CoF, izumo against those takagami (forgot the name), and then amphoreus with the corrupted titans. They literally similar altough not same yet people saying disaster in hi3 scale above aeon themselves is quite far fetch off in my opinion

[@Toksyuryel]

The "nameless" thing seems to be a translation issue, they use a different word in CN when talking about Phainon than they use when talking about the Astral Express Crew. The word they use does still basically mean "being without a name", but it seems to be in the more general sense than as the name of a faction. It's difficult to translate that distinction into english so I can understand why they just went with nameless. I would say the indication that it's not the title but just the word itself is the fact that they don't capitalize the word in any of the subtitles.

[@sassqueenamy]

Ahhhhh thank you so much you are totally right, no capital letters and a cheeky translation definitely feels right to me. TY!

[@awesome7006]

The enigmata must be involved because of this. Can’t wait to see the riddlers being introduced in amphoreus meddling with language.

[@User-dm16]

12 titans = 12 herrschers? Core flame = herrscher core. Our mission on Amphoreus is to collect 6 remaining core flames and return them to the vortex of genesis. In the trailer we see Phainon facing all the ignited core flames. I have a schizophrenic theory, but what if Cyrene is the hidden 13th titan (something like titan of origin lol) and Phainon will ascend and become the 14th? Anyway, I really hope Phainon is not just a one planet or just a hi3 fan service character and he will play a major role in the end game. Kevin was too important in the hi3 to just throw him off after the Amphorues’s finale

[@sassqueenamy]

I am 1000% with you here, in my mind they are totally herrscher cores. And Cyrene being a hidden Titan feels on brand - given how little she is seen in the trailers I could believe it!

[@gyannunez]

@@sassqueenamyTraditionally in Greek mythology there are only 12 Titans, but in the Apollodorus they believe in a 13th female Titan named Dione. Dione in other traditions is associated with Zeus, and her name means “of Zeus”, so she is also considered his female counterpart. In the Iliad Zeus and Dione are the parents of Aphrodite. She was worshipped as Zeus’s consort in several temples. Zeus is the strongest Olympian god and is known as the Sky Father. Kephale, the Titan Phainon is associated with, is also called the Sky Father. Elysia calls herself a Kevin-level several times. I think that Cyrene fits these descriptions. A hidden 13th Titan who is very strongly associated with the “head” Titan and Phainon.

[@tisa37bokun57]

This is so good I'll be genuinely a little mad if something out of it doesn't come true

[@sassqueenamy]

This means so much omigosh ty

[@Phienixo]

My brain is expanding

[@sassqueenamy]

I am glad - this means the speculation gremlins and spreading

[@CJBooks4]

​@@sassqueenamyI started speculating while watching the video too Amy😅

[@Nova_700]

also quick reminder that when Kevin took the authority of Finality, he actuelly stole it and wasn't permitted to ascend as the Herrscher of Finality (that's why he was the Herrscher of the End instead, the incomplete version). Moreover since he usurpated the authority of Finality he didn't have the capacity to stand the full might of its power and was gradually getting corrupted from it, until his body completly desintegrates and leads to his death. He was beaten before that but if he wasn't he would've died anyways

[@kuukeli]

great video

[@sassqueenamy]

@@kuukeli thank you!

[@Namelessonne]

CN version of "Nameless Faces" has completely different and much less ambiguous lyrics. Here is my translation. CN text actually makes the official description of the video not so out-of-place, quote: "Hero. Divine. Puppet. Prisoner. Which of these things are you? Who are you?" "I am but one among a thousand faces defiant against my fate. That which you see... is me." The name of the song in Chinese is not "Nameless Faces", but 何者 which means either 1) generally "Why?"; 2) or it is a reference to the official video decription: "Which of these things are you?" The official description of the OP in Chinese is as follows. 「英雄、神明、傀儡、囚徒，究竟誰是你？你又是誰？」 「我只是故事裡千萬張不認命的面孔之一。你看見的，那就是我。」 Though it does't specifically use 何者 ("for which reason/why", or “which of these things...?"), so we can't be certain either it references the questions "Why (I'm unworthy)?" in the text, or ”Which of these things are you? “ from the video's description, but it has another interesting detail that is missing in English translation. "Hero. Divine. Puppet. Prisoner. Which of these things are you? Who are you?" "I am but one among a thousand faces _inside this old story_, defiant against my fate. That which you see... is me." So they left out the reference to the last line of the song, "Is there anyone left, outside of this old story?" 輪迴。希望絕望更迭吟唱。 An eternal cycle of Samsara. Chants of hope and despair alternate with each other. 興亡。記憶徒留末日迴響。 Rising and falling. In memory, there remains only the lingering sound of Apocalypse. 遺忘。未來過去成灰，都為新生陪葬。 Oblivion. The future and the past turned to ash, all entombed with the birth of what's to come. (ADDITION: This sentence is intentionally ambiguous in its syntax: it's impossible to understand if the ashes of the future and the past are entombed as a sacrifice to ensure a new beginning, or that the fact that this new life is inside the tomb means that this new life is also already dead and entombed with/alongside the ashes of the future and the past; or that might even mean that this new life/beginning is tainted by those ashes and therefore is also doomed). 命運將我流放。那又怎樣？無愧，無悔。為何不配？為何要跪？ Fate made me an exile, so what? I have a clear conscience, I feel worthy, and regret nothing. Why do you believe me to be unworthy? Why must I kneel? 是非，真偽，選擇無關錯對。 Choosing between truths and lies, real and fake, has nothing to do with choosing between right and wrong. 誰給我種下因果，結局卻不說破。 Who planted the karmic seeds in me, yet refused to reveal the ending? 誕生已銬上枷鎖，無法掙脫。 I was born in shackles without a way to break free. 一場慘敗，英雄身後不過碑文幾行。 A disastrous defeat, and only a few lines of inscription remain on tombstones after the heroes' deaths. 傳說起承轉合虛構太多。 Legends feature too many fictitious elements in their stories. "你想”，囚徒笑問傀儡，“誰比誰更荒唐？” "What do you think?" the Prisoner asked the Puppet with a smile. "Which of us is more of a joke?" 我雖一身泥漿，那又怎樣？ I'm covered in dirt from head to toe, so what? 無罪，無畏。為何不配？為何要跪？ I don't feel guilty, and fear nothing. Why do you believe me to be unworthy? Why must I kneel? 是非，真偽，由誰來定錯對？ Truths and lies, real and fake-who decides what is correct and what is wrong? 咬斷了命運枷鎖。 I broke free from the shackles of Fate, tearing them with my own teeth. 不瘋狂不成活。 There's no survival without madness. 埋葬於無人角落自有評說。 Buried in a secluded corner, I will be the only judge of my story. 故事之外有誰還在？ Is there anyone left, outside of this old story?

[@sassqueenamy]

I really love and appreciate when people bring forward the proper Chinese translations! It genuinely helps put things in a different perspective so thank you so much for sharing!

[@Marbeary]

Acheron needs to get lost again here and we have a kebin and Mei moment

[@anxioshcrg490]

Everybody often glazes Kevin and Elysia, and here I am coping Kalpas is now Nanook and was also progeny to the SAMs prior ascending in Adlivun(Diamond World). Guess these are either my interpretations or headcanons. The SAM or the Iron Cavalry Legion who were cloned and made to imitate his prowess against the Remnants of the Swarm after exhausting himself against numerous Swarm Mothers for other barely any of Glamoth's previously failed Expedition survivors to retreat without his, a bygone namesake (Samuel) friend that could be a Knight of Beauty from Glamoth, and the numerous SAM's pilot's consent. Titania an AI Puppet Empress that were also speculated to be influenced indirectly with the Anti Organic Equation of Emperor Rubert, but to usurp her Empire of Glamoth once she succeeded eliminating the impending Swarm they(Previous Expedition) were supposedly tasked to intercept in order to expand the colony . To which the SAMs did succeed eliminating the Swarm but in expense of nothing to rule and Titania's whereabouts also being unknown after. In a way Titania Dishonored Kalpas to be cloned alongside numerous carcasses of the Swarm Bugs be made into the SAM Armor Suits. Firefly like her other siblings, has a failsafe of only being able to pyrokinesis when donning the Armor, and they also share a hivemind network with Titania so they won't have Kalpas' side effects from the Beast of Asura burning their braincells with intensifying violent tendencies or be safe from the illusive pheromones of the Bugs similar to Argenti's Story Quest mistaking it for Idrila. The Entropy Loss Syndrome could also be due to the Swarm's tenacity is clashing with their intense Fire Generation from the Asura Genes while donning the SAM suits inside for long periods of time so if they are exposed outside SAMs, they became kinda brittle hence the cracks on their cheeks, maybe it's more similar to Titan Shifter's diminished lifespan too besides being cloned Homunculus based on the Swarm's vitality to clone itself on the spot, and someone with insane endurance, keen combat sense, and fire generation in some sense. And going back right before Kevin Delivered and usurped the Herrscher of the End of their Era's Moon engulfing the Moon. Kalpas, Fu Hua, & Kosma decisively breakthrough HER barrier after fending the Selene Satellite being a H.o.V ULT redirected against the Moths in the Moon and also possibly aiming too at Griseo's ship passing by upon noticed that Kosma blocked directly, while Kalpas parries the most shards. Right before Kevin Delivered, the Blighted Moon would've been thoroughly destroyed than just engulfed if Kalpas landed another blow but he got Portaled just as Kevin Delivered his Might for HotE to mitigate the damage SHE would sustained, but got stunned for 12 hrs of respite nonetheless by Kevin. What happened to Mobius joining them in the Moon? She could be disrespected and humbled badly by HotE if it weren't for Hua and maybe even Kalpas or Kevin saving her during the encounter, and her SIM dear diarying with her just had enough salt to her wounds to join Eden outside instead of the cryosleep-pods. Kalpas endured a similar Cleave without being decapitated before or after the Tragedy of Binding after Mobius transferred his Heart speculatively to Kevin's Chimera Diabolic form so Kalpas can be augmented to the Honkai Beast Asura, it did allowed him to Earth or Lava bend, and intensify his Heat Generation, while also harboring an added spite against the Honkai/Cocoon of Finality enslaving it and disfiguring it into a Beast harbinging Doom. If we recalled Kevin's Dream about the Honkai Beasts while the background setting was portrayed in the Elysian Realm's staircases, they used to live in other previous planets like Jupiter, before being enslaved into its monster spawns invading their Earth, and why Siegfried also has intensed violent tendencies against Honkai especially the Herrscher Sirin as he activated his MANTIS in their webcomic.

[@anxioshcrg490]

Kevin was also surprised how he was gone after Delivering his Might with their combined efforts against HotE but was also relieved there would be less of a threat like him besides the Honkai on the future Era after their cryosleep. When even Kosma persisted besides a debris breathless, honestly I hate how it was vaguely omitted and it's just, yeah Elysia celebrated his Birthday and barely anyone attended, she's gone but she also confessed she's actually a Herrscher. They prepare for the Moon after Elysia's confession, Pardofelis was foddered to plant a C4 on the Cocoon's spawn site so Prometheus can hack Honkai(she was gaslighted it's a chance of atonement for not being able to help SAKURA & Rin), they encountered HotE resembling Kiana probably overruling Pardo's lifeless body, she got Gojo's Infinity until Selene Satellite remotely sniped HotE and only depleted 20% of her power, skip how they endured a barrage of raining projectiles and assert of dominance by HotE, Kevin charged up enough engulfed the Moon, 12hrs stunned HotE , usurped Cocoon of Finality then only retreated back to Earth Bunker Base with Hua, Eden & Mobius. Only him, Su, Hua, Nuwa & Fuxi cryosleeped oh there's also Elf Klein, & Mini Kevin, & his test tube baby with Dr. MEI Adam. Aponia is now administrator of Elysian Realm, she isn't actually just a SIM like maybe Elysia unlike the other SIMs. There are also their Projects prepared before and still ongoing after battling HotE.

[@viabhavgulati5474]

Great vid!!! Keep cooking

[@sassqueenamy]

Thank you! :D

[@averagehi3enjoyer]

You should make more video like this

[@spyrothetimelord]

Didn't they say in one of the videos or in the stream something like all of the flame chasers have to put that golden liquid on themselves when they try to defeat whatever big bad is going on on their planet? I only ask since a lot of people have been bringing up the golden stuff on Phainon which yes fair because it's purposeful that they showed him specifically but still I swear it was mentioned somewhere

[@sassqueenamy]

They definitely did and I also can't remember specifically where. It feels very specific to show him with it but time will reveal all to us.

[@PositiviteaTheFirst]

You really like Firefly's Myriad Celestia soundtrack huh?

[@sassqueenamy]

If I could laugh react I would - I panicked and just used whatever I could find from the Star Rail backing that didn't sound too intense because the video was so long and I didn't want to search anymore lmao. Because dang there is a lot of HIGH ENERGY in that soundtrack omg hahah!

[@rust5427]

If amphoreous citizens have different naming conventions towards the aeons, then Aventurine's clan's gods are aeons/emanators?

[@rebletomars865]

iirc Ely didnt actually take the mantis surgery because of her body being a Herrscher she wasnt compatible with it.

[@hexi9595]

Kevin never used the authority of finality. He was just that OP. Remember that he delivered a blow to the final hersher of PE that stunned it enough for everyone to get to the cryo pods. I still believe you are cooking here tho...

[@arvzg]

kuh-faah-lay or keva--lee?

[@Elfcon]

my theory the third path in Amphoreus is Voracity (Oroboros) world serpent symbol is Oroboros I really believe the end of Izumo and Takamagahara is the start of Amphoreus and the end of Amphoreus is the start of Izumo and Takamagahara also 12 Titans and 12 Kami ??

[@sassqueenamy]

VORACITY interesting love this idea! But brb gonna go rewatch Acherons stuff real quick for a 12 Kami reminder omigosh!

[@awesome7006]

I agree especially since the circle of knowledge might refer to the voracity (insatiable hunger for knowledge). Perhaps the voracity in the craving of certainty could manifest as counterfeit Nous.

[@SDtarlite]

One of other theory channel said that phainon might be Nanook past.. coz they seems look alike and phainon is the ankle guy (nanook while he is human). I hope not. It’s interesting to speculate tho..

[@user-gx1wb4fs7z]

He's the original Akivili before Trailblazer. It's already been revealed in Genshin. Playing all the games answers like half of every lore question ever. I think the whole "Akivili never went to Amorpheus" is a clever technicalilty because he's not there as "Akivili" now that the title has been passed on. I think all of the Express Crew are/are linked to Aeons too but I'm not like 100% on this: Trailblazer -> IX, Nous, Finality March 7th -> Ena Himeko -> Aha Welt -> Xipe Dan Heng -> Oroboros

[@akarifuyuki9763]

Revealed in Genshin? Where? I rarely play Genshin now

[@ssemgul1407]

Honestly, I'm getting tired of Elysia. First she was introdecued in zzz, now in hsr. Her character felt quite mary sue-ish in impact 3rd. I didn’t like it. I hope hsr does Cyrene and Kevin variant justice and won’t reduce Cyrene just to Elysia

[@sassqueenamy]

That is very fair! Funnily, I don't look at the mercenary from the ZZZ Where the Miracle Began trailer as an Elysia variant but you leave me with something to think about hmmm

[@kath423]

When I was watching the amphroeous trailer, specifically the part where elysia's expy hugs the trailblazer, it made me wonder if stelle was trying to rewrite the history on amphoreous.

[@Ikuraga]

🤔 could this be an alternate universe Honkai storyline? I wonder if Acheron will pop in towards the end of this story arc.

[@rift0632]

Could aeons be paralel to the old era titans, just food for thought from a ignorant lore enthusiast that hasnt actually kept up with the lore

[@slenderagor]

Honestly phainon looks more like alhaitham than Kevin

[@runic6452]

Elysia:Cyrene :: ELF Elysia:Mem? 👀

[@NiaTheMilkTank]

I'm gonna say it. You're super waaaay off with the Phianon is Nanook theory 😂 We actually KNOW Nanooks homeplants name and the reasons that triggered they're ascension was the Dust war and the Swarm war because both left the planet completely ruined and his Ascension made the planet be destroyed As for him being Elio, also no. Elio is actively interacting with the Stelleron Hunters in the modern times and from the Lightcone lores he's with them, if Amphorous' planet is locked then he couldnt "leave" if he was Phianon.

[@lunar8233]

Guys hear me out march might be a exp of elysia. (? `▽`)?