Dawkins the "Cultural Christian" | Doug Wilson

[@bretscott2018]

It's funny you went that way with your analogy on this. When I first heard this I thought of a headline, "Man who spent life chopping tree with an axe now disappointed in it's lack of fruit."

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

Yeah but if Christianity were a tree, it would be a tree that promises a lot of fruit in the future, but when you ask it for fruit now, it says “don’t test me, only a wicked generation wants trees to produce fruit now.”

[@colinmatts]

It's more like, man who spent his life chopping tree with axe now enjoys wood based art made from the felled tree

[@tylere.8436]

That's just impatience.​@@user-gv8xf9ul5j

[@david22591]

"Those who seek to drive Christianity out of our society may be unpleasantly surprised when they find out what actually replaces it." I can't remember where I saw this quote but I noted it down when I read it a few years ago.

[@Spillers72]

Yes, in most cases, it's actually not going to be Islam but secular Wokism.

[@davidmcleod7063]

Peterson, albeit similar to Dawkins in many regards, is the author of this quote, I believe.

[@colinmatts]

Christianity as a religious influence has long been driven out by secularism

[@colinmatts]

@@Spillers72 Define "secular wokism"

[@colinmatts]

But Christianity as a religious influence has long been driven out by secularism

[@MC-ze8wj]

I think he may be close to coming back to Christianity. I sounded like this shortly before I converted (from atheism). I was raised basically atheist but I kept seeing how much I was in agreement with Christian values, how much better Christians seemed to order their lives than my fellow non believers, how that resulted in so many positives for everyone, how much I loved the foundations of our culture which are a result of having been a Christian one etc...I also kept seeing bible quotes that were so clearly the absolute truth. I spoke with my husband and we agreed Christianity seemed so right about everything. Being ignorant having both been raised without religion and not understand why that was we scratched our heads over that a bit (the answer is obvious now). I said I'd like to try to be a cultural Christian since I had come to realize that and I thought we must have been practicing this religion for so long for a reason. My husband was initially uninterested but didn't mind me going and taking our sons. I started attending church, telling my priest in all honesty that I wished I believed but didn't. I did hope the boys (under 3 then) would believe even if I never could. I was committed to attending, so they could have a chance to be true Christians. After attending church dutifully for about a year and a half my eyes were opened, thank God! My husband joined me after some time and we were baptized together with our three sons around three years after we started going. Praise God!

[@NorthernNessa]

Thank you for sharing, it gives me a lot of hope for agnostics in my life

[@eighteenfiftynine]

I've often wondered if the whole time Dawkins militant atheist stance was just a scientific (materialist) man looking desperately to have his hypothesis on God disproven.

[@agear2]

praise God indeed….

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

Usually when people “convert from atheism” it’s because they were “angry at god.” If this is you, you weren’t an atheist

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

@matthewphilip1977 because I’ve heard it over and over from “atheists” that go back to religion. Anger at god necessitates belief in god, and you’re therefore not an atheist

[@BibleSongs]

The orchard is diminishing, but three cheers for apples!

[@toonnaobi-okoye2949]

@matthewphilip1977so what ‘apples’ does Dawkins like?

[@billbadson7598]

He likes looking at apples, or at least beautiful historical paintings of apples. Eating them is out of the question though. Gross.

[@billbadson7598]

@matthewphilip1977 small talk with the vicar about what? Sports? The weather? You don't need a vicar for that. Songs of praise to what? What are people praising? Why do they praise it?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@matthewphilip1977if you have a w-4 you are a slave

[@billbadson7598]

@matthewphilip1977 _"but chatting with the vicar is pleasant, and can be comforting, for cultural Christians like Dawkins."_ That's like a childless woman buying a cat to call it her fur baby. If all he wants is an opiate, he makes enough money to just buy pharmaceutical opiates. They'll definitely fulfill his particular needs more than a vicar will.

[@Spillers72]

Well, the only way you hope to preserve cultural Christianity is to have a revival of the Christian faith itself.

[@jasonkane958]

that is true

[@86lanzo]

Yep...one problem with that is that what the Bible say will happen is a great falling away..and the times will get worse.

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

We still have “cultural paganism” and almost no one believes in Thor or Oden

[@Yj-Fj]

With the life of Dawkins in his body, it’s of no use if he’s dead.

[@LuisRincon-wr4dm]

​@@user-gv8xf9ul5j You are delutional if you think Christianity is like paganism then. It doesn't matter if you "respect" Christian fruits, if you aren't a Christian, you won't have said fruits.

[@thesagetraveler7649]

This Dawkins interview is pure gold for apologetics.

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

I don’t see why. Dawkins is free to have his opinions and beliefs, there is no doctrine as in Christianity

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@user-gv8xf9ul5jyour comment is incoherent

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

The vast majority of indigenous Brits in the UK are culturally Christian with over 1500 years it's not surprising, some believe some don't but we're all connected to it culturally.

[@colinmatts]

Only if the apologists are idiots

[@HigherInfluence]

Dawkins fear level is at 9. He understands what is coming and is fearful enough to at least intellectually turn to Christianity.

[@TheB1nary]

He wants to listen to Nietzsche but should have listened to Christ.

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

So he enjoys and wants to keep the fruit that Christianity provides without it roots.

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

It’s amazing to me that you all can’t fathom that people exist that straight up do not believe hell exists

[@justchilling704]

@@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433Pretty much. I what’s strange to me is that if the fruits are good then doesn’t it stand to reasons that the roots are at the least likely valid? Or worth seriously considering?

[@colinmatts]

He's been calling himself a "cultural Christian" for decades. This is nothing new

[@n88986]

Dawkins is “kinda” admitting that sin is not a made up concept and it’s negative consequences are real.

[@DM-dk7js]

I think he’s just saying he likes Christmas

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

He’s scared because Muslims are less tolerant to LGBT and Atheists than Christians are. Meaning they’ll usually view these things as immoral/criminal and as inviting the wrath/punishment of God on everyone. The story of Lot is familiar to everyone? In Islam, the Quran is the final warning. No more prophets or warners will be sent. If you become compromised and choose the worldly life over obedience to God, you’re risking going to Hell. This is troubling for someone like Dawkins who believes in none of that and thinks those who do are dangerous and childish. They have contrasting views. Dawkins entire goal with this is to turn Christians attention to Muslims who are really only 3.3% of the UK population and 1.1% of the US population. The actual threat to Christianity is actually secular atheism which accounts for a much larger proportion of the demographics of the West. That’s what has given rise to the movements like Feminisn, LGBT and other insanities the world has never seen before. These movements compromise the very fabric of society and along with AI/tech pose an existential threat to all of humanity. Muslims building mosques and fasting is such a weird thing to complain about given the enormity of these other issues and the attention they get in schools and media. At every Anti-LGBT rally, Muslim parents are out in full force. When people insult their religion, Muslims are out in full force. They’re not passive like most Christians are when someone insults Christ. That’s what Andrew Tate recently said. Muslims are serious.

[@colinmatts]

How on earth are you reading that into what he said? Give an example of negative consequences of same sex marriage, which, according to Christian doctrine, is a sin.

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

@@colinmatts you’ll get poop on ur peepee

[@justin10292000]

​@matthewphilip1977Yep.

[@stevehutchison1724]

Brothers, if Dawkins can change his tune this fast, just imagine how quickly reformation and revival can happen. Never, ever ever ever ever give up.

[@Szuubs]

@matthewphilip1977 Do atheists pray that people like Dawkins don't get converted?

[@CountArtha]

He hasn't changed his tune. He's still in his comfort zone of denigrating religion for being "irrational" - he was just making a social commentary on the fact that Christian society tolerated his irreverence more than Islamic society will.

[@dboc2000]

That's a guy who is now emotionally primed for belief. Intellectually he'll need to spend time in the book of nature

[@tuppybrill4915]

It will require repentance first and that has to start with the church and a great deal of house cleaning

[@berniepfitzner487]

​@matthewphilip1977without literalist Christianity you have a syncretistic apathy which erodes the culture built by people who believed literally. If the resurrection isn't literal, Christendom is nothing.

[@martinchitembo1883]

Too little too late,the islamic council plans to build 2000 mosques in Europe alone.and it is the fastest growing religion in Europe.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

This is paradoxical because if Christianity is true, then it isn’t too late because the victory has already been won. If Christianity is false, then either God doesn’t exist and we are nihilists or Islam is true, which is impossible lol. Point being, if it is ACTUALLY too little too late, then Christianity isn’t what we think it is anyway.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Papa-dopouloshe's referring to what Dawkins hopes to accomplish or avoid. Not what you said

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

There's 40,000 Churches in the UK, Muslims makes up just 6.5% of the population.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo Christians make up less than 1%

[@Danko_Sekulic]

We only have ourselves to blame!

[@ogmakefirefiregood]

The Dawkins Delusion: "The world will become more rational and better if we get rid of these silly myths in the Bible."

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

I think the myths are fine, it’s just people believing them to be true is the problem

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@user-gv8xf9ul5jbetter to keep silent and merely be suspected of being a fool

[@aallen5256]

@@user-gv8xf9ul5j exactly right, the myths are fine - people believing they're literally true is the issue!

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

@@cosmictreason2242 you seem adept at making vacuous statements

[@colinmatts]

And he still believes that

[@justinjefferson5831]

"I give it 2000 more mosques being built, and he presents himself for baptism." Solid gold. Come on, Richard. Humble your pride. Repent and believe the good news.

[@Saygoodbyetoyourpops]

But Dawkins is wrong, Christianity isn't diminishing, and it will never cease to exist. The gates of hell will not prevail against His church. There are tons of false converts, sure, but God will never fail in saving those who are His own.

[@thewisceeeggg1624]

Amen

[@86lanzo]

Christianity is diminishing...it's influence in society.. ppl who aren't Christians respect for the things of God.. Christians will be Christians..and there will be false converts and false teachers.. But because of men like Dawkins ,the influence of Christianity has gone down..he along with the new atheist went on tours..with the purpose of raising up a generation who don't respect the Bible in any way.and show disdain for ppl who invoke God Who have no reverence for the things of God..and with that western society has become more secular And what we see today is a direct reflection of that..

[@Hereticalministries]

Most are false converts. I'd guess there are less saved people alive today then 100 years ago

[@bobbyfischer604]

Amen

[@Johnnydiamondlonglive]

Darn right! Christus Victor!

[@frankshannon3235]

Dawkins reminds me of Colonel Nicholson, the character Alec Guinness plays in "Bridge Over the River Kwai". As he dies he realizes the damage he's wrought. "What have I done?" Colonel Nicholson falls on the plunger as he dies and the bridge is destroyed in the nick of time. Dawkins apparently isn't quite there yet but if he has the least shred of self awareness at some point he'll say the same, "What have I done?"

[@EGGZ1983]

Apparently that's what Anton laveys last words were..

[@colinmatts]

What ACTUAL damage has Dawkins done?

[@frankshannon3235]

@@colinmatts He's led people to Hell as all persuasive false teachers do.

[@colinmatts]

@@frankshannon3235 How do you know Hell is real?

[@luciuschappell4648]

Dawkins would have been one of the 5,000 - seeking handouts.

[@adverseinperpetuity]

Very perceptive comment

[@markwebb7576]

“Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill."

[@randyosgood4729]

Lolz, so true!

[@spartakos3178]

Dawkins the Christian Nationalist.

[@Yesica1993]

HA!

[@Groszify]

Imagine if you fell into a coma 15 years ago and just woke up. “Richard Dawkins is now a Christian Nationalist. Donald Trump is running for his second term as President. The years-long global “pandemic” is ending. Men are chopping off their private parts and dominating women’s sports. This is the year 2024.” No one would believe ANY of it! Haha

[@accavandam8673]

😂😂😂

[@ArugaPH]

Hahaha

[@Postmilstill]

Haha, we all Christian nationalists now

[@crystalwashington9280]

I pray his appreciation for cultural Christianity actually leads him to Christ. I have known of some hardened people who began their genuine journey to Christ this way. I pray for his soul. Dawkins is getting older and time is running out.

[@colinmatts]

IT WON'T. I appreciate some religious art and architecture. But the idea of believing a magic man died for my sins and rose is again is ludicrous.

[@MrAgent00i]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@colinmattsNo magic man, but the Son of God-the creator and sustainer of the universe-in whose image we are created. Jesus was mocked even when on the cross, yet He still showed love for His enemies. He even died for them. I was His enemy. He died for me. At the moment you are His enemy mocking Him. He died for you. What greater love is there? He offers you salvation, forgiveness for all of our sins, even eternal life, and all you have to do is to receive this gift by trusting in Him-it is good news indeed.

[@colinmatts]

@@MrAgent00i how do you know any of that is true?

[@MrAgent00i]

@@colinmatts As buildings are proof of a builder and as paintings are proof of a painter, so creation is proof of a creator. The fact that there is an absolute moral standard also testifies of a moral law giver. If evil exists, so does good, so does a moral law with which to differentiate between good and evil, so does a moral law giver. The historical evidence also testifies that Jesus lived and the tomb is empty and the resurrected Christ showed himself to His disciples causing them to go to the ends of the earth to proclaim the eye witness testimony of the life, death and resurrection of the Christ Jesus. They were persecuted and most of them brutally murdered for their testimony. Liars make bad martyrs, they saw the risen Christ. Even Paul who beforehand persecuted the Church was so radically transformed that he went from being an enemy of Christ to being the one whom God used to preach the gospel to the nations - he also was martyred (beheaded) for preaching the gospel. Of the 27 books in the New Testament at least 13 are letters from Paul. The history, wisdom and prophecy found in the Bible and the consistent thread through it could not have been made up. It is clear that the Bible was authored by one author-the Author of Life. For no prophecy was ever given by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. He used men to reveal Himself, His will and plan to mankind. Last but not least personal experience. My conscience accused me of sinning against God and through trusting in Christ I have been forgiven and my conscience was cleared - I have the assurance of salvation, for God cannot lie. He has begun a good work in me and has given me new desires. He gives joy even in times of pain. He has always been faithful, even when I was unfaithful, because He cannot deny Himself. By His grace I have been saved, through faith in Christ-not by works of righteousness which I have done, but according to His mercy He saved me, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. All the glory be to Christ Jesus my Lord and Savior!

[@RillUK]

'Oh, look at this vacuum I helped create'.

[@lisarossiter9809]

Exactly!

[@amiiboplush2177]

Doug loved the line "two-thousand more mosques and he presents himself for baptism". Had me rolling. Great piece and while wonderful to see Dawkins come to this epiphany; this reality is coming to this world and to everyone's detriment. For His Glory alone, He is to be obeyed and praised.

[@byronrhodes1659]

We need a conversation between Doug and Richard Dawkins.

[@alsteiner7602]

This is so on point. Dawkins is turning over before he is even in the grave 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@colinmatts]

He isn't turning over. Only a fool would read that into his comments

[@dmthighway]

To be fair, Dawkins also said this back in 2009 if I remember correctly.

[@tylere.8436]

So he has always expected others to uphold Christmas celebrations and hymns for him; while simultaneously calling all of it nonsense?

[@masterdaveedwards]

Thanks for weighing in Uncle Doulas. We the people of the true Living God and His Son appreciate your work in kingdom building. Shalom and Pax Vobiscum

[@masterdaveedwards]

@matthewphilip1977 Does the God you believe in have limited power?

[@masterdaveedwards]

Is God making you sin?

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

The sin talk won’t make these people question. This is a comfort thing for them, they’ve had pastors convince them they’re all screwed up and the only fix is Jesus. Thinking about the coherence of the claims of their religion is not worth the loss of good feelings and the eternal life they’re convinced they’ll get

[@masterdaveedwards]

@@user-gv8xf9ul5j So how do you deal with the big questions of life. Why life? Where did it come from? What is your purpose? Death, just throw some dirt on me and I’m done. How do you find meaning and happiness. It’s all good?

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

@@masterdaveedwards​​⁠none of those questions bother me. I’ve got a family, a job, hobbies I enjoy. My purpose is to continue to do those things. You don’t need a deity for purpose, you give yourself purpose. Why and where did life come from, frankly I don’t care. I have a hypothesis for origin that could very well be wrong, I don’t lose sleep over it. As for death, yeah it’s a bummer, more so that people I care about will pass and I won’t see them again, but based on the evidence I’ve seen, this is what happens. Someday I’ll die and cease to exist completely, which doesn’t scare me anymore, at least most of the time. I wish I could have more years than I’ll get, but the thought of living eternally seems like torture to me

[@Papa-dopoulos]

Never forget that this man clearly stated that there is no good, no evil, but blind, pitiless indifference in the universe. ..”So anyway, this and that are ‘good’ and ‘bad’ and ‘better’ and ‘worse’” lol 😂😂

[@colinmatts]

You totally misunderstand his comments.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@colinmatts Nah. Sure don’t.

[@colinmatts]

@@Papa-dopoulos He isn't saying Christian culture is "good or bad" in any moral sense

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@colinmatts Whether or not he used those terms doesn’t mean he isn’t clearly showing a preference between the two. And you can’t make this kind of comparison with no external referent to act as a basis. For example, saying he has reasons to prefer Christianity to Islam, even if he doesn’t say “good” or “bad,” requires him to compare how both of these beliefs stack against a standard he denies exists. If you and I were floating in space with no planets in sight, and I said “I’m higher up than you are,” how do we confirm that?

[@colinmatts]

@@Papa-dopoulos He has long been much more critical of Islam than he has of Christianity. But he doesn't believe either religion to be true

[@kaylar3197]

This is actually my first exposure to this clip, and I have a question for Dawkins regarding his statement at 3:32. “Decent” according to what standard? And the irony is that he is using Christianity’s own standard because he knows that it is superior, but he has left himself no justification for claiming that it is better than any other moral standard. Not only that, but Islamic standards actually comport much better to a world of “blind and pitiless indifference”.

[@johnslagboom1836]

Wisdom is justified by her Children, Richard!

[@alexblankenship3092]

I think it's amazing to see this shift in his perspective. I pray the Lord uses this time to ready the soil and stir his heart. I encourage you today to stop and genuinely ask the Lord to move in Richard's heart!

[@scatoutdebutter]

wow... individual Muslims who do not hold their religion's "official" attitude toward women are those who have lived in Christian cultures long enough to have become acclimatized by the Biblical Christian attitude toward women. keep up the good work, pastor Wilson!

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

4:50 sorry to burst the bubble. But this is a completely ignorant take of how Muslims treat women. Muslims are taught to: a) honour and respect their parents, especially their mothers b) lower their gaze and segregate by gender c) protect their sisters/mother/wives from danger These practices are done with the intent of keeping their family safe and free from sin (like adultery and arrogance). The sort of stuff you hear about concubines and the like was a war-time practice preceding Islam, which you’ll find in the Bible as well. Tribes looted each other and killed each other and took children and women as slaves. Similar stuff happened in the Americas by English and French settlers to Aboriginal people. Modern Muslim cultures don’t practice that sort of tribal stuff. In fact, Muslim countries have had several female presidents and prime ministers while the US celebrates Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris as some sort of progress. Travel the world and you’ll see the media has preyed on the average American’s ignorance to justify hate and war in Iraq, Afghanistan and the like. The people building mosques do so because they get “sadaqah jariah” which is akin to building a well for charity. God rewards you for providing water to the thirsty, even after your passing. Similar rewards for establishing places of worship. It saddens and concerns me how easily the media (Richard Dawkins in this case) can smear and misrepresent 1.9 billion people’s treatment of women (many of whom are women). That’s not to say there aren’t cultures within the Muslim majority countries which treat women poorly. But can’t be painting such a broad brush on 1/4th of the world population. Muslim “cultures” are typically conservative and do promote traditional gender roles. Some well off people can run with that but most people have dual income situations with both parents working. Long maternity leave can impact women’s careers in America even more so than in some Muslim countries. All circumstantial.

[@scatoutdebutter]

@@mecanuktutorials6476 Sir, I am a Christian and believe the Bible and that one can only become right with our Creator (the God of the Bible (Jesus Christ)) through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for sinners at the cross, by grace alone through faith alone, and that Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6) and that therefore all other religions are by definition false. And as one fellow creature and sinner to another I invite and urge you to turn to Jesus by faith and repentance as your Savior and Lord along with me. I say all that and very sincerely, and I also want to sincerely thank you for what you said here... it gives me food for thought. You are correct, I tend to immediately think of the cruelty, especially the persecutions and beheadings of Christians when I think of Muslims. And as I understand these Muslims are acting consistently with their holy book when they do these things.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@mecanuktutorials6476so they grow copium over there in Afghanistan as well i see

[@browntaint6916]

​@@cosmictreason2242it's not as bad as you see in the devil Western media tho. I mean your Christian mom, sisters will have to show their private on onlyfans because your Western capitalism forces. Wake Up?!! 😂

[@NathanP711]

Hey, Dawkins, how you like them apples?!?

[@bobbyfischer604]

Great commentary, thank you! Done with charm and wits! I pitty people like Dawkins. I hope he will be humble enough to accept God's mercy one day. The beauty of all this is that even him could be pardoned.

[@mariobasketball30]

“I really love apples…I do not abide with orchards at all. Orchards are a real problem… in fact chainsaw the orchard.” -Doug Wilson, 2024

[@colinmatts]

The orchards of ancient mythology died centuries ago. But we still study and admire the apples they produced. It can happen and will happen to Christianity

[@justin10292000]

Sincere, honest doubt searches for the Light. Mere hardened unbelief wants and remains in the darkness.

[@taylorharbin3948]

I’m praying for Dawkins, as we all should, that he finds a way to see past the material trappings and discover the truth of Jesus behind it all. Then he can have true peace.

[@christophertaylor9100]

I like the orchard/apple analogy a lot

[@Mindmartyr]

Doug’s complexion looks younger! You were spitting banger after banger in this one. Apples without the orchard! 😂 fantastic

[@ericlinton6449]

Richard Dawkins, a Christian Nationalist? What a great day.

[@HonestlyNow4Real]

"Of course, I believe as strongly as ever that all that 'slippery slope' talk is utter rubbish, but I have noticed the diminished elevation of our entire culture, and mourn its precipitous descent." 😂

[@tomsanders5584]

There's a saying, might be out of Proverbs, might not, but I think it's appropriate here: "Don't piss in your soup unless you have other plans for dinner."

[@markchristian787]

It sounds like hes going down the road Douglas Murray has been at for some time.

[@JamesMFinley]

“Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground. Christianity is the only frame which has preserved the pleasure of Paganism. We might fancy some children playing on the flat grassy top of some tall island in the sea. So long as there was a wall round the cliff’s edge they could fling themselves into every frantic game and make the place the noisiest of nurseries.” - Chesterton, Orthodoxy For generations we’ve been used to children yeeting themselves into the walls of Christendom: “I’m not a boy, I’m a girl! Oooof!” and being knocked back by a robust theology and philosophy. But little by little the walls have come down and now the serpents are coming in. “I’m not a boy, I’m a girl!” “Yesssss, take these drugs.” Now our children are falling to their deaths and people are starting to question how we got here. This place used to be safe. In the words of Nehemiah, maybe it’s time to rebuild the walls.

[@JoRich653]

Lift restraint on evil and you will see a great many seeking shelter under the mighty arms of God ready to thwart it away when evil is restrained again.

[@Steblu74]

I notice here in my town (and probably in some of yours) just in the last half dozen years or so church attendance is going up. Watching the deterioration of our country is causing many people to return to church out of simple fear..

[@accavandam8673]

Dawkins has been soo hateful and disrespectful of Christianity, he’s personally responsible for turning 1000’s or 10’s of thousands away from God and now… NOW he draws ever closer to death he is trying desperately to make a U turn. Doesn’t look like he’s been getting too much sleep lately does it 😂

[@86lanzo]

He's not trying to make a you turn . And he still opposes Christianity..he's just realizing all religions are not equal.... And Christianity promotes alot of things in the general community that other religions don't.. He's looking islamalization in the face and realizing the horrors for non muslims if Islam becomes the dominant culture where he lives.

[@Yesica1993]

If he was actually repenting, I'd be happy for him! But he's not. He still says he doesn't believe a word of it. (Or however exactly he put it in this interview.) Wicked little man.

[@accavandam8673]

@@86lanzo a little bit late for that isn’t it when him and his ilk have been largely responsible for the death of Christianity in the west? And 2 mark my words the man is well on track to trying to repent for his sins and coming to Christ. He’s a lot further on in that process than he’s letting on, I can hear the desperation in his voice, mannerisms everything. He’s seen the light and the fear of God is upon him.

[@EGGZ1983]

​@accavandam8673 there's no such thing as an atheist. We are all born with the spiritual knowledge in our being that God exists. BD I believe is slowly figuring out how wrong it is to not want God around..

[@tomasrocha6139]

He hasn't changed at all he's always said he's a cultural Christian

[@CSUnger]

Well, too bad. You did your part in bringing this about. Own up to it.

[@JohnMark61355]

An amazing admission by Mr. Dawkins. It also would not surprise me if someday Bart Erhman becomes a Christian.

[@rachelanne268]

Talk about double-mindedness!

[@DaDitka]

He is quadruple-minded.

[@EricaCampbell-iv5jj]

@matthewphilip1977 If they are simply pleasantries, that means that they are nice to have, but their removal is not that significant. Although they will be missed, they can be replaced with other enjoyable things. It may just take some time to get used to the replacements. Is that what you think that he is saying?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@matthewphilip1977you have no point. Get lost

[@colinmatts]

It isn't double mindedness. It appreciating art while recognizing the mythology it's based upon isn't true.

[@rachelanne268]

@@colinmatts it is double-mindedness. It's appreciating the art and denying the Artist.

[@stevenboyd593]

He knows better ...Mr D. has been given numerous opportunities to discuss at length the Gospel, and with some of the best speakers in its defense. He needs to fish or cut bait and times a wearin thin

[@seanmcmahon9217]

This isn’t really new. Dawkins called himself a secular Christian in 2014. Even Christopher Hitchens called himself a Protestant atheist.

[@spartakos3178]

The desperation is new. If you watch the interview, the guy has realized that the vacuum of Christianity will be filled with gods that will kill him first.

[@seanmcmahon9217]

@@spartakos3178 Ha. Ya. Hitchens said of Islamic jihadists (paraphrasing) that they want to kill all Jews, atheists, homosexuals, Christians “So I think they’ve got me twice.”

[@colinmatts]

@@spartakos3178 There's NO desperation. Just APPRECIATION

[@skotters]

2:54 Random memory here but this snippet reminded me of an old video of Bill O'Reilly on The View shortly after 9/11 saying that it wasn't appropriate to build a mosque somewhere in Manhattan because most Americans didn't want it. He got blasted for it on the show. Things have changed a lot since then.

[@86lanzo]

Ppl who've had a taste of Christian community.. Christian Culture...where things like tolerance, forgiveness,peace etc are common place.. These ppl are starting to see that those things are not common place in the middle of other cultures. And that a Christian..or a remnant of one is favorable to general life thank most other cultures.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@matthewphilip1977only bigotry here is yours

[@Fetsimo]

Incredible!!! 😮

[@nicknihilist4478]

Its wild that Dawkins is just now saying what I was saying as an atheist 25yrs ago. I learned so much more about human behavior since that has taught me one definite lesson above all others... more people need religion than they want to believe. I said back 23yrs ago "wtf are you talking about, we already have one fox(fundamental christians) in the henhouse, why the hell would i support inporting another fox(fundamental muslims)?"

[@anthonyw5841]

The chaos and absurdity of the nonbeliever's life.

[@ClayB05]

@matthewphilip1977are you a bot?

[@tomasrocha6139]

People that believe God sacrificed himself for a weekend to save us from himself by becoming a crucified criminal have no business calling anything absurd.

[@user-gv8xf9ul5j]

Not much chaos in my life, solid job, 401k with pension, hell I probably have less chaos in my life than most Christians

[@Thelast1leftNOW]

Okay should we go with the nothing exploded and made everything? Or the lightning struck a Goldilocks chemical puddle in programming coded DNA into non-life?​@@tomasrocha6139

[@mr.coolmug3181]

What's happened is Dawkins has become aware that Islam is a huge converting force in Britain and Europe, and his whole world is collapsing around him, and he's afraid. He's afraid and now he's back-peddled slightly on his atheism, but he still can't be honest with himself, enough to either fully convert or fully investigate the nature of the problem. It's moral and intellectual cowardice.

[@francesparker699]

Yes there is a revival and an awakening at hand. So we’re going to need those churches!

[@adriel6421]

Jesus spoke about believers as the Church, not a pretty building. What Dawkins see as Christianity is what the Bible say is "tradition of men". "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ". The Pharisees loved the traditions, but their heart was far from God. It does not matter if there is a nice building or a just a meeting at home for real Christians. Just like a atheist don't become a Christian for going in a good looking building said to be a Church, it also don't make a Pharisee any more of a believer, the atheist see tradition, not faith and the Pharisee have tradition, not faith. Real faith is not seen in buildings and traditions, it can't be seen, because it is spiritual. Many or even most who go to a building on a sunday may feel they are a Christian because they go to that building (tradition), not because they really have faith. I'm sure there will be a huge change into traditions again, as that seem to be the trick of satan in the end, when he deceive the world by false teachers and false prophets who would deceive even the elect if possible. Satan love religious people who like traditions, his issu is people seeking God for themselves, not seeking a outward show (tradition) of pretend faith. Jesus called the religious people of His day children of the devil. They did all the stuff, but it was all about the "doing" of tradition and the show of religion. They had no love for God in their heart, even to they believed they did because they did the stuff. They got deceived by tradition into thinking they had the real deal. That is a great deception, posing as Christianity, when it is just traditions. Just like a wolf in sheep clothing. A bad deception is not gonna deceive even the elect if it was possible, it will have to look like real Christianity or what people understand as real Christianity, and it takes real God given dicernment to see it is a pretender. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." - this is something posing as a great revival turning from the world unto something that seem to be Christianity, but is just the same old trick satan used on the Pharesies. Satan used religious people then, and have no problem doing it again. And such did Jesus warn about again and again, deception coming from people posing as Christians, that deception would rise from within, by false teacher and such. Remember it say people who will kill real believers will think they do God a service. Just like the pharesies kiled ther real prophets thinking they did the right thing. Then you see satan's trickery, using religion against people who don't really have real faith, but tradition. and it will include great signs and wonders that will deceive the world, they will think God is with them. This is why the warning goes like "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.", people will think it is people sent by God. "And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.". The warning imply they claim to be Christians, and tyhat is where the real great deception will come from. Not from a wolf, but from what seem like a sheep. Be carefull when you hear about there is a revival here and there and keep in mind "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.". There is a deception so strong/powerful that is growing right now that even the elect would buy it, if not for God Himself. It will look so real, right and good that it takes God to help them dicern the deception and Him saving them from it's grasp. Mening they almost or even got sucked in and then He helped them out and they will see, understand and KNOW they could NOT have seen it is fake (by their own power/intelligence) unless He intervened. That is how great the decepion is, you are powerless against it, and only God can deliver you out of it's grasp, it is a multi layered deception or like a maze that has no way out, but Jesus, and a real faith and trust in Him. Fake Christianity/tradition will give a false sense of security, so people must really make sure that they are born again by the Holy Spirit, that it is not just a outward show. They must seek God for themselves and not just take comfort in a crowd who seem to be on the right path.

[@annakimborahpa]

Richard Dawkins at 1:10-12: "... I love hymns and Christmas carols ..." Response: 1. Then may I assume that every December Richard Dawkins is richly gawking at the seasonal music? 2. And if the King James Bible was good enough for George Friedrich Handel to quote from in the libretto of his celebrated oratorio The Messiah, then that's good enough for me.

[@inlonging]

This reminds me of the baptists who come to covenantal churches. “We love the family atmosphere, but keep those sacraments away from our children!!” 😂 I always say it’s wanting the fruit without the root.

[@catotheyounger55]

He preached for decades about the wickedness and savagery prescribed by the Bible and has the gall to say “Christianity is a fundamentally decent religion”?! Can’t have it both ways.

[@brianmgrim]

Well said, Doug. The other elephant in the room is the vast bloodshed of the bloodiest century in human history up to the 20th century. Anti-theists like Dawkins who, in addition, had the luxury of implementing their godless policies on their countries and persecuted anyone who opposed them: Stalin, PolPot, Mao, etc, etc. Dawkins could’ve emigrated to many anti-theist countries during his lifetime but chose to enjoy the fruits of the coattails of Christian Britain, and thus his actions speak louder than his words. Dawkins is just another one of the many hedonistic hypocrites who need to be exposed as such.

[@inessasolovey8712]

I wonder if Wilson read Tom Hollands book Dominion.

[@AIapologia]

Does anyone in these comments happen to be post-mill and living in the UK? Please reply if so, I am looking to meet and gather more post-mill brothers in the UK.

[@cosmictreason2242]

There were 1 million Christians in America in 1750 out of 4 million people, and today there are 11 million Christians in a population of 330 million. Our percentage share may have gone from 25% to 4% but our raw numbers have multiplied tenfold. The church continues to grow. It was our influence on nonchristians that diminished lately, and our Influence can rapidly wax again, and indeed appears to be doing so

[@calvinmasters6159]

"...the free riders...", love it. The hangers on, the benefiting scoffers.

[@colinmatts]

What's he benefiting from?

[@rsviews2167]

Christianity is The Family we are all part of. We were made by Love. The reason we suffer is we've been told that Love was a lie. Humans who experience Love NEVER forget it, EVER. So I guess that's why I never did kill myself after all. It's fear, or love, you gotta choose, and in spite of everything that's happening right in our faces, I know most people have already chosen love. It's just that it's so easier to just smash a chair than it is to build one. Love is patient, Love forgives, Love heals, Love keeps your heart beating in the darkest hours, Love will ALWAYS win. Throw yourself in a room with no lights and no windows, close the door, light a match, darkness is defeated. Peace be with you.

[@davidbrown9858]

Yiddish is a West Germanic language historically spoken by Ashkenazi Jews. It originates from 9th century Central Europe, providing the nascent Ashkenazi community with a vernacular based on High German fused with many elements taken from Hebrew and to some extent Aramaic.

[@crisscaseflows]

Orchard's & apple's 😂😂😂 brilliant

[@Tarz2155]

3:30 Did he just suggest that Christianity is inherently a more decent religion compared to Islam? Firstly, this statement could be offensive to both Christians and Muslims. What he may really be implying is that Christianity has undergone reform and moved away from certain teachings that Jesus himself advocated for, such as calling on woman to dress modestly, not having premarital intimacy, and the concept of the father as the head of the household. When he says "decent," it could be interpreted as meaning that Christians are not following their scriptures as they should, and therefore are considered better than those who adhere strictly to their own religious texts.

[@kevinel1398]

He means one religion encourages violence in its texts and the other does not.

[@Tarz2155]

@@kevinel1398 pick up a history book the statement is laughable . 😂 the Holocaust literally happened because the Jews were considered Christ killers.

[@Nah_Bohdi]

Its so incredible to see him be unable to help himself, over and over! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mattbeatty9195]

It's all in Lewis. Abolition of Man. That Hideous Strength. The insanity of unbelief has devoured itself - at least for some.

[@ApollosHagman_17]

Is Catholic culture any better the Islamic culture? All our Protestant forbearers would feel betrayed by our desire for our watered-down Christendom. The Huguenots weren’t standing up for nothing

[@ProphetPriestPoet]

LOVE IT!

[@86lanzo]

Dawkins is bathing in and drinking the refreshing waters of Christianity...and now showing concern that the waters are getting shallower...and hes now fearing the water will dry up.. While for decades he was building dambs up stream And he cannot see the connection between the 2.. Hes a great example of just how blind we were before Christ opened our eyes.

[@RogerRiverson]

Dawkins wants to have his cake and eat it too.

[@Matt-Pursley]

It’s telling that we are excited that guys like Dawkins, Holland, and Peterson are becoming what we called Christian Liberals 150 years ago. I suppose trajectory is everything.

[@adamfrank7410]

Doug’s right, cosmic crisp apples slap.

[@EricBadong]

Doug's awesome.

[@zach.shepard]

Amazing news for CN. Looks like Dawkins might as well jump on board as the first Atheist Christian Nationalist.

[@greggkunkel6622]

“I love apples! But the orchard is a scam - the farmers are keeping people in ignorance so we must be rid of the orchards! But wait, these new farmers are starting to convert the land to dairy farms! They are going to get rid of the orchards, how terrible!” 🤦‍♂️

[@DanielGullo]

Even if Dawkins had a full conversion and was reborn, I am not sure if he could bring himself to admit it publicly since he has spent his entire life railing against Christianity. I do hope that he is regenerated and brought home to Christ before he passes on. Time is running out.

[@gaiusSatyr]

He is, surprisingly, more humble than most of Israel in the Old Testament.

[@ajesco]

About as repentant, too. 🤪

[@philippbrogli779]

What do you mean surprisingly humble. Just because he isn't angry all the time and he can like certain aspects of Christianity? He is constantly attacking God and he constantly tries to undermine the christian faith. He did try to reduce the interviewers faith in Christianity three times in that interview, if I remember correctly.

[@gaiusSatyr]

​@@philippbrogli779 The meaning is in the comparison. You may have already read Prophets.

[@philippbrogli779]

@@gaiusSatyr He may be more pleasant. But I don't know about humble.

[@justinjefferson5831]

True, good point

[@NilodeRoock]

The norms and values in our society are originally Biblical values. It seems as if Dawkins is only now beginning to realize this. Hopefully he will soon show more respect for the Bible and for our Faith. The fact that Dawkins doesn't believe is of course irrelevant, he should really stop talking about himself. I don't think he is worth so much attention - ( Respect for having open comments. Sadly, few of your fellow colleagues show such courage. In my opinion it proves that your faith is unassailably strong. )

[@Mantelar]

I reached the same conclusion as him here in the states when CNN was trying to normalize love having no age back in 2011. I’ll take Christian crazy over communist crazy any day of the week.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

What's wrong with that?? Love has no age....except for tge age of consent!

[@cameronbond7745]

Those is priceless

[@DavidMoore-bl7gb]

If this isnt seen as a de facto surrender, carnal surrender as in what Pharoh would have done had not God hardened his heart then I don't know what is. That said, It might be a sign that we are still being extended Grace and spared Wrath for a moment longer. I believe we are looking at what was alluded to in times past by Christians in the US as " Revival " we may just yet see God move his people and call a Nation to repentance.

[@thewisceeeggg1624]

Dawkins is English

[@DavidMoore-bl7gb]

@@thewisceeeggg1624 yah, the Nation of England.

[@tomasrocha6139]

This is nothing new he's always identified as a cultural Christian

[@cosmictreason2242]

We're not quite in awakening yet. Revival definitely not

[@6thstreetradio]

I'm still not convinced that whole Dawkins thing isn't a long-con April fools joke. It came out on April 1, and the whole "supreme atheist now believes in god!" is an old-as-dirt 4/1 internet meme.

[@tonyw8018]

The "Cultural Christian" is one who will take the mark of the beast in the hand, another words will - go along to get along - so that the person will be able to buy & sell. The one who will take the mark of the beast in the forehead is one who will believe that this enforced false worship is the right thing to do. This prophecy in Rev.13 is about to come to fruition.

[@amyfaith2350]

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[@BJ-zt7hd]

Dawkins wants the Kingdom without the King. Sad

[@wk1810]

They recognize the disease but hate the remedy.

[@BalrogUdun]

“If god did not exist it would be necessary to create him.” These people spent decades tearing down the foundations of civilization and now they are panicking because they don’t like the results. Now they want to run back to the shelter that they have helped destroy.

[@ef2883]

Narrated Imam Malik that Isa (Jesus) ibn Maryam said: "Do not speak much without mention of God for you will harden your hearts, and a hard heart is far from God(Allah) but you do not know. Do not look at the sins of others as if you were lords, but look at your own sins as if you were slaves. Some people are afflicted by sin and some are protected from it. So be merciful to the people of affliction and praise Allah for His protection."

[@Tadneiko]

I like apples... hate orchards 🤣

[@evantheorthodox740]

This is a kind of intellectual schizophrenia.

[@SteelheadTed]

@matthewphilip1977The problem of sin appears to vex you.

[@evantheorthodox740]

@matthewphilip1977 What is your standard of Justice.... the United Nations? Natural Law? A God without retribution is the very opposite of love..... this would be unjust.... It is unjust getting saved as well, for we deserve punishment. But this is not what the video was trying to show..

[@SteelheadTed]

@matthewphilip1977 you cannot have people with agency that are not free to bring pain upon themselves.

[@evantheorthodox740]

@matthewphilip1977 I read half of what you wrote and found more than 3 errors. I'm in between classes, short of time. You mentioned "law of the land" as being an option... Everything the Nazi's and Stalin's Soviets did was legal... they were following the law of the land. That won't work..... do you want Stalin as your standard, and if not, what is your standard? With adultery, you are clearly mixing up the old covenant, which passed away with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, with what Christians, who live in the New covenant, believe today.... That is now what we believe. You claimed that adultery is immoral.... but according to who... are you the standard?? Joseph Smith and Mohammed, so called prophets, both loved committing adultery. Are you saying they were wrong? You are stuck again because you have made yourself, a creature, the standard.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

He"s just a Christian Nationalist who doesn't want to be labelled as such, because it's apparently "far right" or something 🤡

[@campion04]

You know. I listen to Dawkins. He sounds exactly like me pre-2018 then the flip. You cake eat the cake if there is no cake.

[@nicobrits5111]

Dawkins is classical Psalm 14:1 and 53:1 case.

[@jackboot8432]

I would amend Dawkins' statement: Contemporary non-fundamentalist Christianity is indeed preferable to Islam. Let us bear in mind that Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity - and it shows. The 15th Century Catholic Church was no joke...

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

What Doug misses here is "elevator gate". A few years ago Dawkins made a suggestion to a fellow atheist in an elevator. She took umbrage and that was the spark that blew up the "new atheists". Atheism is mostly male and many are there thinking to escape the "puritanical" rules of religion (excuse my lumping Christianity with religion, I am aware of the dit). What these men found is that, like in the book 1984, atheism leads to most females being hostile to men and at times frigid. This civil war between most of the men and the few women atheists became very public. Dawkins lost a lot of support and money over this. This is probably part of the reason he's now trying to moderate. Remember, Dawkins has a public career similar to an entertainer; not an actual job.

[@aallen5256]

This is totally untrue. Dawkins wrote an op-ed in reaction to Watson's KZbin video about feeling uncomfortable when she was in an elevator at a conference. You're drawing all the wrong conclusions from an event you clearly don't know anything about!

[@JesusRodriguez-zy3wj]

@@aallen5256 You misunderstand. I have no idea what happened in that elevator. Given my 65 years, and the current state of culture, I am prone to believe Dawkin's account over the woman's. I find the "meetoo" movement which started as a legitimate problem among liberals in Hollywood to have become another toxic lie used by many (most?) modern women in their hatred of men. That 1- most declared agnostics are men 2- that many to most of them exhibit behaviour we Christians find truly misogynous (most, I did not say Dawkins) and 3- that the breakup of the "new atheist" movement came about because of complaints of sexism in many areas (such as Sarkeesian and video games) followed by an increased separation and hostility among the sexes in that group are true. DOugh ought consired this as another example of how Christianity is FAR better towards women historically than atheists or in fact, almost any other faith.

[@aallen5256]

Okay, I don’t think you know what elevator-gate is. Dawkins wasn’t in the elevator!! And your stated attitude of don’t believe “most” women is really sad and cynical and would only be right-headed if there was an epidemic of false-allegations to rival the epidemic of sexual assault and harassment. As is, the percentage of false allegations is 1-3% according to research, so your attitude is much more likely to protected an abuser than an innocent man.

[@aallen5256]

⁠@@JesusRodriguez-zy3wj historically, hasn’t Christianity been used to oppress women? The bible has been used to make women second class citizens time and again, no? From the story of Eve being a literal derivation of Adam, to instructions for women not to wear gold, or braid their hair, or speak while learning as in Timothy

[@Danko_Sekulic]

Dawkins defended a fellow atheist, and seeing how that was an early manifestation of the Meetoo hysteria, I can only admire him for that!

[@Tarz2155]

Why are Muslims being blamed for practicing their faith and preserving their cultural heritage? It's not their fault that Christians are not attending church, leading to churches being sold due to lack of use. If a Muslim purchases a church and renovates it, or if the Muslim population grows and their needs must be accommodated, what is wrong with that? It appears that one group is simply looking out for their own interests, while another is not. Instead of trying to prevent Muslims from doing what they want, perhaps more effort should be put into convincing Christians of what is in their best interest.

[@BJ-zt7hd]

Theology produces culture.

[@tatie7604]

You can't say you dont believe in Christ and tear down Chritianity your entire life and then be shocked and horrified that he himself destroyed the culture he loved.