“Dawn of the Planet of the Apes” - Human Work (HD)

Scene from the 2014 film “Dawn of the Planet of the Apes” in which Koba challenges Caesar on allowing the humans to stay and work on the dam.

[@Grym0626]

I love how Maurice started to get up once he heard Koba raise his voice like “Alright calm down, calm down” 😂

[@jackson4162]

Maurice always had Caesar's back.

[@mannyblunts8675]

Maurice is true definition of ride or die. Fuckjng OG

[@DerekBackofen]

Maurice is the best I love that big orangutan so much

[@vetiverose128]

@@DerekBackofen Lol same!

[@cra8zykidg]

“Take that base out your voice”

[@masonsumi12]

Caesar was raised with love. Koba was raised with hate. They both saw both sides of humanity.

[@stephenbyrne2170]

One Light. One Darkness.

[@eureka9113]

I have been searching for this scene for a while, you gotta love how Caesar simply stands up to assert his dominance.

[@preachcaleb]

And unfortunately, that was a mistake. That's part of what pushes Koba away. He believes Caesar won't listen. Or that he'd rather acquiesce to the humans rather than his own kind.

[@zackmckenzie3582]

@@preachcaleb agreed but Koba was out of line for yelling at Caesar.

[@DarrenBoxhall]

@Falkens Maze bahahaahah

[@toiletsponge]

@@zackmckenzie3582 I disagree. Caesar was aware of Koba's trauma. It shouldn't be a surprise for him to lash out like that. Instead of showing who the bigger ape is, Caesar should've shown compassion. Koba wasn't trying to stand up to Caesar at this point. Just seems like he was offended.

[@MrKingYuji]

@@preachcaleb the part where Caesar almost kills Koba I think was what made things irreversible. Koba is bloody and looks around for support but everyone turns away from him. He knows no one will ever back him over Caesar

[@michaelnally2841]

This is definitely the part that makes you see both sides. Caesar only wants peace and doesn’t seek conflict. He knows how destructive humans can be, but isn’t willing to cost ape lives unless he has no choice. Koba meanwhile grew hateful of humans and while he does have a valid point, chances are all the humans who caused him pain are dead now and it’s likely these people have nothing to do with what happened to him.

[@xbermann]

One of the best comments on Koba and Caesar's perspectices I have ever seen.

[@GuidedbyCrows]

Humans are sneaky and there will be a faction of them planning ape destruction. Caesar is right in measured responses but the humans must be watched at all times and any aggressive movements and developments spyed and neutralized.

[@MazBringsby]

Koba foresaw that giving humans electricity and reviving their civilization would inevitably progress over time into them yet again pursuing biological experimentation which they would need to use future generations of apes for, repeating the cycle.

[@GuidedbyCrows]

It's not just that. Koba correctly believes the humans will grow in power and wipe out apes. So human existence is a threat and incompatible with ape survival.

[@AdrianMartinez-en1nb]

Yup he just want to make them suffer and want to spread his carnage just so they could see his power and fear him

[@Haunter_Who88]

Yeah, not gonna lie. Koba showing his scars and remarking "Human work" is probably one of the more heartbreaking things to hear and see and while you can agree with his actions that followed, he was scarred mentally and emotionally to as he was physically to making any peace with any human was never going to ever happen.

[@swagymicswagger]

He took it too far when he killed Ash

[@nicholasoneal1521]

@@swagymicswagger all he ever saw of humans was being tortured. The only thing he could think of them was as a species of sadistic monsters

[@joeminier1736]

Caesar from his experiences saw both the good and bad of humans while Koba has only been exposed to the bad. How can a person or ape see the positiveness of others if they never experienced it?

[@rhenvao2844]

@@nicholasoneal1521 That's not an excuse. Ash was shot by a human earlier in the film. By Koba's logic, Ash has more reason to hate humans than most apes, but he chooses not to. And Koba opts to kill him and any ape who doesn't agree with him. What happened to Koba was terrible and we can empathize with him, but everything he did in the end was for himself. No one else.

[@nicholasoneal1521]

@@rhenvao2844 By Koba's logic, Ash was stupid and was going to get them all killed with that attitude.

[@bluubandette8871]

Ceasear remind me of my mom when he stood up like that... 😭😭😭 0:56 "Who you getting Loud with?!"

[@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut]

I do that to my wife when she gets too bloody lippy and I hold my hand out and like koba she just covers her self with her hands in a fetal position

[@pandahtoemateo3321]

@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut Dude, wtf?

[@pandahtoemateo3321]

@_Kayla_ Are we the only ones who see this?

[@air6665]

@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut yeah my mom does the same against my dad

[@illustriousmonster]

@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut um

[@RumbleDelta]

Something I only just noticed is exactly _how_ Caesar accepts Koba's gesture. It's forgiving, sure, but there's a hardness to how he swipes Koba's palm, making his hand bend back a little. It's not dismissive but it's not exactly positive either. It's in a "I'll let you off the hook this time but watch yourself!" kind of way. Hence Koba's expression, he knows he's upset Caesar so he won't listen anymore so leaves. And Caeser looks on after him, his expression softens a little but still seems stoic. At this time, Koba's still a brother to him, but he's still displeased at having his authroity questioned. You can almost imagine, if Caesar had gone after Koba somewhere more private, a more diplomatic dialogue could have happened and maybe the outcome of the film might be different.

[@timovangalen1589]

It’s definitely a warning

[@EcoNationalSyndicalist]

Koba: “Human work!” Shere Khan: “Does my face not remind you of what a grown man can do?”

[@aidanfraga3987]

Shere Khan only attacks the man, he burned his eye to protect his child and himself. But for Koba, we all know what humans did to him.

[@coletrain583]

Koba: HUMAN WORK!

[@Douio]

​@@aidanfraga3987 Shere Khan was right though about what humans can do. Only problem is the tiger literally did it to himself lol

[@Sean_Last1995]

Koba couldn't let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him.

[@shawnellesmith]

I’ve never heard the story of Koba that way.... He truly was a killer.

[@rocknrollmilitant]

Scar should've been written more like Koba. He needed a truly horrible backstory to make him more understandable.

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

@@rocknrollmilitant nah Scar shouldn't have been made sympathetic. He was supposed to mostly seem like a power hungry and jealous person. But I loved Koba was written as sympathetic. He went on to do horrible things,but he was consumed by hate. You could understand why,it just got out of hand when he started turning on apes.

[@MrKingYuji]

That’s exactly what Simba said about Scar in the lion king 2 movie

[@TheRealBamboonga]

I was actually really, really surprised in this scene that Koba didn't point at Caesar and scream 'HUMAN. WORK.'

[@jermainehaslam5634]

Koba is easily one of the best villains of all time and what makes this scene so great is you can see where both caesar and koba are coming from caesar, caesar just wants to protect the apes but koba's been treated like shit his whole life by humans and he knows how much of a threat the humans will become again if they have power up and running again!

[@GuidedbyCrows]

I wouldn't allow humans to amass power. I'd raid them and take most of their weapons.

[@zamiad]

We are literally all humans

[@Akashic85]

koba's idea makes valid strategical sense. why would you give the human's power, thus giving them the power to become strong enough to oppose the apes? I understand that caesar wants peace, but war could be much more beneficial to preserving the ape colony. by wiping out the remaining humans the threats to the apes would be nullified, and while they are weak, this is the perfect time to strike. even if you didn't want to completely wipe out the humans, letting them access the dam without any restrictions is completely moronic. like really, at the very least, let them operate it but only on the apes turf, so if the humans were to make any agressive moves, the apes could just shut down the power and the humans would be screwed, making it so the apes could use it as a baragaining tool. hell, caesar didn't even ask for anything in return for the dam, he just let it go for free smh

[@A1Kira]

@@zamiad Yeah and that's why we know how evil and disgusting we can be.

[@bgos4727]

@@zamiad and that's why we know it's true

[@CaioH.]

0:41 Goosebumps whenever Koba shows his scars. The angry and sadistic way he was beyond animalistic. He was a demon.

[@ashlirabid9614]

If he's a demon what are the humans who tortured him?

[@atas2561]

@@ashlirabid9614Monsters.

[@thelittlemanfromthedraftbo6805]

​@@ashlirabid9614you gotta admit Koba becomes irredeemable at some point, even if he was a sympathetic villain

[@noahsmith4877]

We create are own demons

[@CG101INC]

​@@noahsmith4877 True. And in this case in the planet of Apes humanity became it's own demon.

[@odintillgren3212]

Gotta give props to the motion capture acting of Serkis and Kebbell. The amount of character development with sign language and physical acting here is pretty amazing

[@InvaderGIR98]

Koba's body language/facial expressions are so good, I love how he has kind of a lopsidedness to his mouth

[@dracodracarys2339]

Koba is one of the best "sympathetic" villains in pop culture. He's got valid points, and an understandable motivation at least at first, but eventually his motivating force, his distrust of humans, got out of hand to the point he starts harming his fellow apes as well.

[@GirlsBravoanimecrossover-cf5kl]

He is desional.

[@BikeEdward]

He is delusional. worst "sympathy" he's got bad points not understandable motivation he is such flesh at first.

[@Kripplespak]

R.I.P, Ash "the son" of Rocket

[@BikeEdward]

Screw pop culture it has flaw.

[@BikeEdward]

@@Kripplespak Ash did not desverse that.

[@AlecPhipps]

I love how rocket was getting ready to defend Caesar of need be

[@noheroespublishing1907]

Koba is the kind of villain that's just beautiful, everything about him is just wonderful, I love how every aspect complicates him; his scarred face compliments his sadistic smile, making him terrifying and imposing, but every scar was given to him by abuse, for each scar you take away, he'd be less sadistic, but for each he's been given he's permanently changed by them, his actions even dictated by them, as pain is all they've taught him, trust has been driven out of him and replaced with distrust for totally understandable reasons. He's the walking embodiment of "hurt people hurt people" and because of this you can never truly hate him, pity him, but not hate him.

[@papaemeritus5842]

Better dialouge than Every MCU Film

[@HagdoBr]

Masterclass dialogue whit not a single word, abslute GOAT franchise

[@ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551]

The mcu had its moments. But compared to the newer movies and shows, especially phase 4, I think high school theater kids can come up with better acting and dialogue than whatever tf the mcu is now

[@Steven_Padilla2000]

I just realized both king Kong actors are in this

[@amitkenan3878]

I didn't know Rocket's actor played the new Kong

[@Steven_Padilla2000]

@@amitkenan3878?

[@ppgod6989]

​@@amitkenan3878? He means koba and Caesar

[@fusiongod5004]

Holy shit...

[@thatkidwiththehoodie]

@@amitkenan3878Notary and Kebbell worked together playing Kong.

[@StockyDude]

I love it when movies have villains who became villains through trauma, like Kona or Thanos. You don’t cheer for them but you definitely question your own principles and whether or not you would compromise on them if put through the same trials.

[@overlex]

Agreed. Empathy makes great villanous characters. -Magneto’s family gassed in WWII -Joaquin’s Joker in a world where no one cares - The JP dinosaurs striking back at their captors - almost Every ToyStory villain after the first film 🧸 - The Machines in the Matrix in the short backstory explaining its origins - Every compelling Anti-hero in Tarantino/Scorcese films and TV I could go on,

[@ritwik1410]

@@OM-td2bp Thanos is akin to most dictators in human history. His philosophies are dangerous but understandable. Though he didn't suffer the same trauma as villains like Koba did, his actions, drive, intelligence and relative success over dominion over the universe are commendable. Regardless of which iteration you're talking about-comics or film-he's a pretty compelling villian.

[@motivationman4866]

@@ritwik1410 i mean in the comics one of the reasons he kills... Is to impress death. HE IS A SIMP

[@Lapusso650]

Brilliantly said!

[@Lapusso650]

@@ritwik1410 brilliant comment:)

[@ASAP_Kenny]

These movies were so much better than anyone would expect them to be. They took a whacky movie with a whacky premise and made incredible prequel movies

[@matthewhummel1572]

The man who played Koba portrayed it perfectly in this scene. It kills me that Hollywood these days can’t seem to count past three. I have all the original movies. The fact that they even set it up in the first one with the crew to Mars being lost, it could have been so freakin epic if they had continued with this story!

[@cultist8761]

Kingdom of the planet of the apes is coming out!!!

[@matthewhummel1572]

@@cultist8761 dude, don’t toy with my emotions. Is it really?!

[@frankgallacher4799]

100 percent truth mate there a plans to make 2 more after kingdom back to back ,rumour has it the next one after kingdom is planet of the apes the return of icarus, or planet of the apes icarus returns, your guess is as good as mine will it be another time jump 500 years or a 1000 ,will icarus go through a time and space anomaly between mars and earth one off those freaky events that happen every 1000 years and by a fluke they travel through it and sling them back to earth.. time will tell.

[@themysticals8481]

​@@matthewhummel1572Tralier is here man!

[@revron9683]

You got your wish!

[@jasetwells9335]

I love it when Cesar stands up looking at koba and putting him in his place without saying anything

[@MrKingYuji]

I love how all the apes got quiet. Like they never saw that before. Caesar looked around “you damn lucky there late witnesses here”

[@GuidedbyCrows]

Cesar is the smartest ape and led them all. To win. To survive. To build. There is no way Koba should be challenging him aggressive like that. A group of guards should have jumped on Koba immediately and messed him up.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@@GuidedbyCrows Nah man, everybody was waiting for word from Caesar, because up to this point, none of the apes were going against each other.

[@KingKyreeoneal]

0:46 Human Work

[@Karlsefni_mc]

This is an interesting scene. Caesar knows the humans better than any ape there, he knows there good nature and also their bad nature. He understands where Koba is coming from but he wants to avoid any chance of war/death of apes as much as possible. I understand why koba would want to eliminate the threat while they’re weak, even though not all humans have the same intentions/motives, I won’t be surprised if they started the war if Koba never started

[@raymondnguyen5813]

“Koba couldn’t let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him”

[@TomKeresey10]

Sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before, if given the chance.

[@internetdinosaur8810]

Love how simple yet realistic the conflict is in this movie. Both sides are right.

[@Longnecklizard1954]

I feel like Caesar is a war general that looks things through and tries to reason rather than wage unnecessary wars while Koba is a corrupted war captain that will do anything to get his way

[@MG-ud2jo]

When you think about it , it made me think about the Bible , with the Jewish King David and his nephew / war chief Joab . David is true , a warrior , but he thinks things through and consults God before waging war , While Joab is more of a vengeful and violent person that only wants things his way .

[@MG-ud2jo]

When you think about it , it made me think about the Bible , with the Jewish King David and his nephew / war chief Joab . David is true , a warrior , but he thinks things through and consults God before waging war , While Joab is more of a vengeful and violent person that only wants things his way .

[@MG-ud2jo]

When you think about it , it made me think about the Bible , with the Jewish King David and his nephew / war chief Joab . David is true , a warrior , but he thinks things through and consults God before waging war , While Joab is more of a vengeful and violent person that only wants things his way .

[@MG-ud2jo]

When you think about it , it made me think about the Bible , with the Jewish King David and his nephew / war chief Joab . David is true , a warrior , but he thinks things through and consults God before waging war , While Joab is more of a vengeful and violent person that only wants things his way .

[@MG-ud2jo]

When you think about it , it made me think about the Bible , with the Jewish King David and his nephew / war chief Joab . David is true , a warrior , but he thinks things through and consults God before waging war , While Joab is more of a vengeful and violent person that only wants things his way .

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

Koba is such a stellar movie villain.

[@masternoob9673]

I LOVE when Caesar had his “Don’t Question Me” moments. 🤣

[@Ghostkilla773]

The line that made him talk

[@Tidfall]

Human work...

[@coletrain583]

(Points to one scar) Human Work...

[@espi371]

​@@coletrain583points at face, HUMAN WORK

[@RyZeRxWolfChannel]

He already talk before this scene

[@chigon89]

Kudos to Tony Kebbel for his portrayal of Koba

[@emilynesbitt3514]

Both Koba and Caesar have valid perspectives here and their own unique strengths. Too bad they couldn't find common ground somewhere. They made a great team. Remember Koba actually saved Caesar and his son from being killed by a bear. Caesar should have been more understanding of Koba.

[@CannibaLouiST]

If Koba did tell Caesar of humans having more guns, he really could change Caesar's mind.

[@rosedawson2711]

❤️

[@PedroRodrigues-zd1zs]

I think he was going to, he came in desperate to the dam. Upon rewatch you kind of get it, he’s legit scared of going back to the cage. Sadly he gets aggressive and ceaser fucks him up, that was the end for him

[@PedroRodrigues-zd1zs]

Had no fight happened he was 100% going to tell Ceasar, he was asking to speak to him clnstantly

[@TheBlackKakashi]

Maurice stood up ready to throw down with Cesar too 😂

[@keithbperrin9633]

I agree with koba..who wouldn't feel the way he did after all that happened to him. He didn't want any of his primate friends going through that stuff either let alone and him again so I totally 1000% agree with him. Having said that I understand Caesars point of view he don't want to lose any more of his kind to the humans and he does know that there are good humans out there just not many of them so both of them have completely valid points

[@PedroRodrigues-zd1zs]

This is what makes these series amazing.

[@alphawolf798]

Can't entirety blame Koba, all that abuse he went through before the flu would make anyone that angry at humanity.

[@joewhitehead3]

Caesar clearly underestimated him

[@llg7456]

This was one of Cobas most touching scenes. He had completely lost all hope in humans. I understand his rage. But Caesar was raised by good humans and therefore has seen that All humans were not bad.

[@appuz4160]

Koba is a strong character against Caesar...

[@rosedawson2711]

❤

[@YAYJEM]

@@rosedawson2711 honor to meet you apes follow Koba now

[@huntercool2232]

Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.

[@ancikul5969]

As these comments say, this Koba collected a lot of negative experiences in life, that is, too many negative experiences. It affects the head, he gets what is called trauma, that's where evil arises, his heart is filled with hatred and bitterness, his mind is dark. In a way, he had good reasons for it, but not all people are guilty of experimentation.

[@Tailgate009]

I understand why Koba has his hatred for Humans, but it honestly bothered me that he allowed himself to be so blinded by his hate. Because the opening scene with Cesar and Koba on the hunt, you could see the genuine concern and worry Koba had for his friend, his brother if I may say. But Cesar's own remembrance of Wil who took care of him also blinded him. It drifted them apart, and broke their unity. As Koba was so hurt and bothered that Cesar choose the humans over the apes, over him. Than what he did to Cesar, followed by Ash during his onslaught I knew it was over for him. There was no going back

[@matthewhummel1572]

The fact that he let his hate and thirst for dominance consume him was what made him so human. So many of us are unable to let go of our hatred and fear of another person/group/thing, and in the end, it consumes us. At the same time, being completely pacifist won’t keep you safe, there has to be a balance.

[@andrei-calinardelean1957]

The thing is, Koba is a bonobo ape. They are known to be the most docile type of ape, so for Koba to become so violent means he was tortured to a degree it completely changed his nature as an animal. I understand Koba, but him and Cesar had different experiences with humans. Cesar knew that humans can be good, but Koba never got to experience such a thing. They both wanted the apes to thrive and live, but they could not come to the same terms since their experiences were so different.

[@5Lion5ofGod7]

​@@matthewhummel1572I agree with what you said. Hatred and fear can drive people to do the craziest and heinous things or deeds. Yet you cannot have no boundaries either. Hence a line must be drawn. Be civil or compassionate yet firm. That's how Jesus was like when he walked the earth. And that's what God is too. I was taught this as well at church despite what I went through out there in the world. I am still learning myself but yeah. What you said. 100 points, for real.

[@tailedgates9]

Which is why I still consider Dawn to be the best written out of the trilogy. There's so much at play here, not just with Ceasar and Koba, but for the apes and humans as well. You can see where both sides are coming from in such a clear way.

[@vuxluongw]

Caesar freed Koba from Gensys - without him Koba would've died from starvation, or worse, being killed by humans; let alone being Caesar's 2nd in command. Caesar voice has more weight to it. End of discussion.

[@AvyScottandFlower]

Koba was right, though Had humans fully gained their capacity, they'd be grateful at first, sure, But over time, they'd try and ambush the apes Conflict was inevitable

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Yea, not many people are smart enough to understand that.

[@kingsharkgoat]

0:56 the way ge stood up had everybody looking

[@hannaharnold9832]

I don't blame Koba for hating humans. He has every right to hate them. They took him away from his mother and they killed her. They took him away from his caretaker "Mary". They abused and experimented on him, in zoo's and laboratories. So, Koba has every right to hate and not trust humans.

[@MissMaya308]

Exactly I was thinking the same thing. I believe that they treated him made him more credibility and boosted increase his ego his self-esteem a little that made his rebellion worse than what it was. I don’t blame him. He and Cesar both different lives it’s actually because Cesar was infant, and raised him by his carer as his own. Koba was born and raised in facility where he lived with his beloved and loving mother and their kind caregiver Mary after lab abused him. But Cesar wasn’t, that’s why they both opposite point of views yeah Cesar want to peace but Koba want to wars smh.

[@tierefuerimmer9635]

Why would they test on animals in zoos? Seems pretty hypocritical since they want to foster a love and respect for animals

[@lorrietsaoussis5168]

I think if a human showed they cared about him I think he would of changed how he thought of them since not all humans are bad

[@ritwik1410]

Jane Goodall to the rescue

[@pandahtoemateo3321]

@Mastnaer Ceef I can't blame him. I had an irrational fear of pit bulls for years because me and my little dog were attacked. It took years to even pet another one of those, and convince myself not all pit bulls are killers, I ended up falling in love with a pit bull named Summer, and she's still with me. I just think if I hadn't gotten over it, I could've became hateful like Koba.

[@kong9829]

Apparently He did had somebody that he did like but got fired

[@8213apice]

@@pandahtoemateo3321pitbulls are not human. They’re wild animals. Theyre all dangerous. Bad comparison.

[@ericblue4231]

Koba was right about his beliefs.

[@kingkongchief1177]

Caeser also knows that not all humans are evil because he was raised by humans. Koba only saw the evil side of humans like when he had his face slashed and blinded in one eye by a cigarette

[@chigon89]

Such a powerful scene

[@taliesincoleman6569]

0:34 i like that look on kola's face, almost as though he was geuninely considering Caesar words for a moment.

[@oneangryboi408]

Koba's backstory is so heartbreaking, and to see him become a villain to the point that he didn't even care if other apes became his victims along with humans is such a horrific ending to his character. This concept only makes me feel worse knowing that animals are still used in experiments for vile human technology across the world. Its a point where if it is actually necessary evil for the concerns of humanity, and not just savagery used for the excuse of progressing science.

[@GuidedbyCrows]

Vile human work.

[@m0istur]

It is. Sadly when you actually think about it, if animals replaced humans on earth, they wouldn't be so different from us, maybe not even different from the apes

[@ferntin4479]

Tech that you probably use and I’m sure you eat meat so stop acting all high and mighty.

[@LeighMcnasty]

Koba is so fucking cool

[@spunkymaniac9312]

"It take one bad day to make you the joker But it take a whole bad life to make you koba" Deadpooljoker probably

[@colinbell2983]

As brilliantly evil and intelligent as Koba is, this is the scene that made me realise he may have a point. One of the best villains in recent memory

[@cesarvictoriano8072]

Every time we do some stupid shit to each other or the planet I quote Koba’s line.

[@dragon091327]

That's why when I hear people talk about which side they'd be on, I'm like, does it matter, in the end they're all practically the same

[@thetank971]

Koba is basically the human race, we get hurt and rarely its forgiven. Forgiving especially if you got hurt soo bad, its hard. I feel Koba

[@Mwenjoyoz]

As physically "ugly" as Koba is .. there's something so beautiful about him. Definitely one of the most tragic and complex villains in a movie ever!

[@Fon.Productions]

Dude to me Cesar standing up to assert his dominance also is him saying he is human work also and to tread lightly because not only did humans fuck them up it ultimately allowed them to thrive

[@memeahoy5063]

I understand why Koba resents humans. I feel that if Ceasar and Koba had a proper conversation on this topic, things would've turned out different. Ceasar could've been more sympathetic and not as harsh with brushing off his opinions; he could've told him maybe about Will, like that Koba could've seen that not all humans are bad. Koba also should've been more open-minded, and if he would've interacted with Malcolm and his family, maybe he wouldn't have gone through with his plans. This was sad because you could tell that Koba and Ceasar had a great bond before humans appeared

[@GetterRay]

Koba knew about Will. He saw him at the lab. He knows Will as one of his oppressors. And one of the things about Will is that he isn't purely good. The CEO guy was right to call him out on risks because Will took massive risks in giving Charles the virus at first and he was being a massive hypocrite by saying everyone else isn't being safe. Will was also completely OK with doing experiments on Koba and didn't think about the moral implications that the tests would also give Koba intelligence like Caesar.

[@memeahoy5063]

@GetterRay I totally agree with you on that but let's not forget that Charles was his dad. Not excusing what he did but we would do anything for our loved ones, and yes he was a hypocrite. When he realized the virus was becoming something more out of his knowledge he tried to stop it tho. I'm just saying Caesar could've told koba how much his father, who was a human loved him, showcasing that not all humans are bad. I don't think even Blue eyes knew about will, it seemed like something he kept to himself, but I could be wrong. Caesar also should've been more compassionate towards Koba on his opinions on humans, he would just assert dominance when it would get a bit out of hand. That's why they needed a proper conversation on the human subject imo. If not will, then Malcolm could've been a good example

[@Kneegrowpleez00]

You could argue that Koba’s fears and anger were completely justified just imagine if Caesar’s time with humans was as dark and brutal as koba’s as appose to the loving nurturing environment that Will provided he would most likely call for the extermination of humans had he not experienced our good side

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

What’s kind of funny is Koba was the original ape that bite the human that began the spread of the Semion Flu. That cause the near extinction of humans and domination of apes. No one knew that though.

[@taliesincoleman6569]

he didn't bite anybody, the flu was spread through an accidental leak

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

There was no bite, lmao. The humans were stupid and couldn't even put on a mask properly

[@allmightyass8914]

You know how I got these scars?

[@captianfoxyhyenaslayer7502]

A human asshole with a knife

[@Nordique777]

Koba is so interesting because he is so justified in his beliefs. He hated humans but only after Caesar attacked him did he finally stop believing in him.

[@gamerstheater1187]

I love that Koba sees Caeser sign "Human Work" then just in pure disgust points at his scars SAYING "Human Work"

[@amshg21]

such a powerful scene , so conflicting and right and wrong on many levels at the same time ,,,,,

[@bensonabernathy4664]

I love the "human work" part. Koba is 100% correct, and we can add even more. Destruction of our home the environment: human work Kidnappings: Human work Intentional murder (not for self-defense but for nefarious purposes): Human Work Slavery: Human Work! Wars: Human Work!! Genocide: HUMAN WORK!!!! And so much more When you really start thinking about it one could start seeing themselves siding with Koba. At least I am a little bit. Like whenever I read these new stories of how people kidnapping, tormenting, and murdering innocent people, my blood boils. I feel quite the saddness and anger, something that makes me understand Koba. Koba really is an excellent antagonist in general.

[@dejamartin8543]

0:56 WHO TF U YELLING AT!?

[@hajjanae]

Koba couldn’t see from Caesar’s point not all humans are bad and are like the ones he’s encountered he was just to deep in his hatred for him the lost of his eye must’ve hit home and that’s what caused his demise

[@Alex_FRD]

If Caesar had said something like "Let them turn on toys and distractions, then they'll go", Koba might've seen reason.

[@rianjohannemanaoismanzon7258]

0:41 Skar King: Godzilla Work 0:46 Godzilla Work 0:50 Godzilla Work 0:54 GODZILLA WORK 0:56 Kong: 😠😠😠😠 1:01 Skar King: 🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇

[@tenogy2431]

A part of Kobas breaking point was Cesars fault, he never tried to understand Koba , he instead attacked him and repelled him , no wonder he betrayed him , he betrayed him first.

[@Depth217]

I remember me and my audience laughing when he first said “Human work”. Then he said it as he pointed to his scar, and we stopped.

[@TheBombayMasterTony]

Good scene.

[@aintnoslice3422]

Koba was right. You can trust individual humans, but never a group

[@VermillionStallion]

The sad and irony of Koba is that humans basically "created" him.

[@enderethan144]

0:57 All I could think what Caesar was saying in his head was “SIT YOUR MONKEY ASS DOWN!!!” 😂😂😂

[@1314special]

Nah Caesar should've at least shown some compassion for Koba, knowing what humans did to him.

[@SawyerSeville]

That’s the thing, though. How do we know that Caesar knows the full extent of what Koba went through? My opinion is that Koba can’t and won’t let go of his hate because he refuses to talk about it. Sure there’s the scars he bears, but it’s only a small insight into what Koba went through. Koba doesn’t give me the vibe of an ape willing to talk about his past, so how can he get the compassion he needs if he doesn’t ask for it?

[@purevessel4506]

All of the apes were abused by humans including Maurice. Yet none of them want war. Caesar knows blindly going to war will do more harm than good. As a leader you must strive for peace and only go to war if there is no other option left. Caesar has a chance for peace so he’s taking it

[@1314special]

@@purevessel4506 I never said I support going to war with the humans. I am just saying Caesar could have used a softer and more comforting tone towards Koba, rather than a strict "Are you disobeying me?" tone to him, knowing he was hurt deeply by the humans. Like... just.. talk him through nicely you know?

[@willrundle2]

Team Koba

[@samuelbrown4764]

That’s the toughest part by far about the conflict between Caesar and the apes and humans. They cant distinguish the difference between good humans and bad humans. Just like the apes, most of our population have good hearts, but the evil doings of a few bad humans, and apes, destroy the relationship, and the reputation of all of them. It’s sad

[@luyolomenziwa800]

I wouldn't say most people are good bcz I highly doubt that if more people are good that the world would be as fucked up as it is today. I'd say 50% of people are good

[@controlman7490]

@@luyolomenziwa800 No human being is 100% a good person. That's literally impossible. Every human being is selfish, egotistical, greedy, sometimes jealous, and even cruel. However, the majority of human beings express these emotions to a moderate degree and can regulate them, but certain members of our species express these emotions to an extreme degree and are even worse people than the general populace.

[@UghHimAgain]

​@controlman7490 8 billion people. I'm sure there is at least one person out there that's 100% good

[@theninja4527]

0:56 Caesar is like, “I swear to god, you better not push me Koba, I’m warning you!”

[@godzillalover3445]

I love these films.

[@savidge08]

What a great trilogy , part 2 the best

[@8213apice]

Cesar still see humans as the people who raised him when he was a baby. That’s why he has sympathy for them. The rest of the apes didn’t have that chance to see a good side of humans.

[@jeffreyworthen7033]

I like the part of this scene when Koba was gesturing when he was saying " HUMAN WORK" like "Caesar, I'm not hearing you correctly. You said"human work?" pissing off Caesar in the process...🤣🤣🤣

[@moskillz76]

Such a powerful scene and so well acted by Toby Kebbell. You really can feel the anger and distrust Koba has for humans because of the trauma he experienced. You can see why Koba doesn't want to give peace a chance.

[@talkingben3332]

I love how this film made us be capable of seeing the point of view from both sides Caesar doesn’t want conflict with the humans and just wants an environment that keeps Apes safe and humans out of there habitat Koba knows that humans could attack them whenever they want and knows that they could care less about how they treat apes But to be fair in the end Koba was more dictating than caring

[@air6665]

Im not against humans. But koba was definitely right. If they killed the humans while theyre weak they would avoid any future more dangerous wars. The apes would suffer a few casualties but they would live on peacefully with no competitors.

[@lisboah]

True. Caesar clearly hasn't read history books. During the colonization era, the natives allowed the colonists to build outposts and small towns in the coasts. Generations later, the entire region would belong to said colonists, while the natives were either wiped out, enslaved, forced to migrate, had to make treaties or placed into reservations. Humans, as a species, aren't content in living in just one place. They feel the need to explore, to colonize other places, to expand...

[@controlman7490]

Well, we can see that Koba's plan was dumb and had major repercussions. Blindly attacking the human settlement resulted in them contacting other humans for help, which was the military in WFTPOTA. Koba had no planning, no intel on what kind of connections the humans had. He wasn't methodical, but rash and impulsive. And what if the apes lost that battle against the humans in Dawn? Half of the ape colony's population would've been exterminated right then and there. Ceaser was valid in saying they shouldn't have attacked the humans and should've tried to maintain harmony. Warfare is the last thing any group wants. The level of loss on both sides would be utterly catastrophic, which Dawn proved to be the case. Also, thanks to Koba's actions now the military and potentially other human groups within the US or even the world know these advanced primates exist and could hunt them all down in the future. Koba seriously jeopardized the safety of his entire race due to his thirst for vengeance.

[@air6665]

​@@controlman7490if caesar didnt let them fix the dam the humans couldnt have contacted the army regardless. The only logical thing was to steal the guns then have the war while the humans had no power to contact the army

[@judahthelion01]

Ok who’s side u on? Caesar or Koba?

[@coletrain583]

Imagine if Magneto met Koba. What would the Apes think of mutants and their marginalizion. For Koba it would be a slap to the face, they would just be humans in his eyes, but with powers, feeling they have an unfair advantage while Apes were treated like animals. For Koba, I could see him lashing at Magneto, saying “HUMAN WORK!” while showing they did to him. While it would prove Magneto’s point about humans, what light would he see the Apes?

[@redshot5403]

I don’t know, maybe allies?

[@coletrain583]

@@redshot5403 Or maybe Koba would hate him due to having powers, whereas Koba had none. In fact, he would be greatly jealous and even resentful towards mutants, due to while being victmized, still had powers that give them an edge, whereas there no apes that had the mutant gene. For Koba, he would've taken this as God playing favorites with humanity, while leaving Apekind in the dirt. He would feel even more angry and resentful.

[@coletrain583]

@@redshot5403 Or maybe Koba would hate him due to having powers, whereas Koba had none. In fact, he would be greatly jealous and even resentful towards mutants, due to while being victmized, still had powers that give them an edge, whereas there no apes that had the mutant gene. For Koba, he would've taken this as God playing favorites with humanity, while leaving Apekind in the dirt. He would feel even more angry and resentful.

[@MVandHeiseiGojiKing2019]

So impactful and emotional at the same time

[@ightimmaheadout290]

240 = HD according to Nathan Gay

[@LochNessHamster]

I wonder if Koba would have betrayed Caesar if Caesar had shown him a little more empathy here. The way Caesar asserts his dominance and slaps his hand away disdainfully kind of gives the impression that he doesn't care about Koba's feelings or traumas. Koba felt trivialized, and that might have led to his resentment boiling over to betrayal. I wonder if Caesar had just communicated something like "I know what you have endured. Every time I see your face I know the pain humans can cause. That is why I do not want war. We all need to work together to do what's right for everyone" I wonder if that would have been enough to keep Koba from rebelling. I feel really bad for Koba. As much as he was hateful and selfish, he was a product of the trauma inflicted on him, and I think all he really wanted was for his pain to be seen and acknowledged. Like, I know it's a movie, and the decisions and motivations of these apes are all just made up, so the truth is whatever Matt Reeves wants it to be, but I still wonder.

[@dareyr172]

You can't say you feel bad for him

[@huntercool2232]

0:56 My mom when I snap back at her

[@nahortesfaldet2313]

Looking back, I really like the nuance of their arguments. While Ceasar is "blinded" by his dismay of killing, he's not wrong that co-operating with the humans was the best chance at peace. They would've attacked them for the dam if the apes refused access, and before Koba discovered that arsenal of guns, the apes would've failed to destroy the human city or at least suffered tremendous casualties (maybe they would've succeeded in a raid, but not after announcing their existence to the city). But he should've demanded something in return, like hostages or guns or technology or information on the rest of humanity instead of giving access freely. For all he knew, a massive human army could've been right around the corner. Koba at first points out valid concerns, like making the humans more dangerous with no benefit to the apes (other than keeping them from being attacked for the time being), but he clearly overrestimates what the apes can do, is indifferent to ape casualties or is too emotional.

[@AndrewDelgado-Mancilla]

Koba's body language said "let me get this straight" 😂

[@daffyduck9323]

Honestly I feel like people don’t see the true nature of Koba it’s not that he’s afraid for the apes he’s afraid for himself

[@WanderingRoe]

*Spoiler* Koba was evil toward both humans and apes, and it's good that he got terminated...but I still feel bad for him.

[@panoskamp4324]

He was no evil until the humans returned and appeared as a threat. Then as a person tried to escape his past and kill the humans which is not right but it it logical especially after what he has been through. And Caesar doesn't help him get through it instead he pushes Koba mentally like telling him he is not important and then when Koba roasts him he beats him up. No wonder why he got evil after that.

[@raquelrodriguez7111]

Still we must pray and put an end to all anima/pet abuse, experimentation, cruelty, and illegal fighting once and for all. So that all animals and pets could have a chance of peace, hope, faith, freedom, happiness, support, care, and a healthy life again. ✊🏻🕊️✝️🥹 🤝🙏💟😇

[@mzytryck]

I love how, even though Koba backed down here, the way Caesar won the argument (an outright display of dominance/bullying rather than actually answering Koba's disrespectfully-expressed but reasonable points) pretty much guarantees that Koba comes back harder later on. Caesar's son later being so easily swayed by Koba would likely have been avoided if the debate had been resolved as a debate rather than a threat display.

[@Cotten-]

*_Human Work!!?? This is the funniest line in the movie._*

[@Olderaccount17]

As a human who works, I can 100% understand where Koba is coming from.