Everything GREAT About Dawn of the Planet of the Apes!

[@CinemaWins]

You can watch EGA War for the Planet of the Apes with me right now on NEBULA! nebula.tv/videos/cinemawins-everything-great-about-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes

[@tigerdean5048]

Hello there.

[@grantpowell4135]

I am ready for this one Lets go

[@grantpowell4135]

Also, I still have my mind blown that the lady pilots had like a weird beef lol.

[@tibedog5629]

Please do a Everything Wrong/Great about Planet, Beneath, Escape, Conquest, and Battle of the Planet of the Apes.

[@Chuck_EL]

Just wanted to add gorillas even silverbacks would call the group over of other gorillas when humans show up it's intimidation plus a "If you act right you'll leave peacefully"

[@phatnana2379]

The scene of Koba pretending to be a dumb ape is actually terrifying! Its the first time we see a human level of cunning and manipulation from an ape. Until then, you're thinking Koba is just going out-right fight Caesar at some point.

[@CourtlandLess]

It’s like, what else are they capable of? If they have the human superpower that is the indomitable will, then they are the superior species.

[@dan7564]

I mean he did outright fight ceasar and lost. So he had to resort to other, more sophisticated methods to get what he wanted.

[@dentoncrimescene]

They are both apes.

[@elijahalbiston]

Actually, don't we (in Rise) see Caesar use careful positioning in the habitat with the tree to block being tranquilized? It's the scene where he says the rightfully iconic line, "NO!!!" Your point still stands though. This is the first time we see anyone other than Caesar show some truly terrifying cunning, and Koba uses it against humans. It unnerves you because you could easily see yourself being in the same situation and acting similarly.

[@phatnana2379]

@@elijahalbiston I mean that the level of intelligence that shows an understanding of and planning for future interactions. Tho you are right that we do see Caesar act like that before.

[@ianmoone2488]

There’s a deleted scene where Caesar presents Koba with the bear pelt as a gift for saving him and Blue Eyes, where Koba embraces Caesar in a hug, and it really shows that, had the ape community not crossed paths with humans, Koba very much would have stayed a good ally and friend to Caesar

[@elijahalbiston]

And honestly, I could be wrong, but the only time the Apes are truly safe and happy in the franchise is when Koba and Caesar are working together. The beginning of Dawn shows that.

[@LKYHGaming]

and if Carver wasn’t a fucking asshole

[@AM-bm9rs]

@@elijahalbiston The apes were actually never going to be safe, Humans always want power and they cannot retain power with a superior species as highlighted in the next movie with the colonel, Koba was just a catalyser for the chaos. There has not been a time, in any of the 4 movies so far, where Humans wanted to co-habit the earth peacefully with apes, everytime they wanted to go to war with them. If you tell me the dawn of the planet of the apes they didn't go to war with them, you are wrong, Gary oldmans character made it clear he wanted to go into the forest and destroy them

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

This isn't hard canon, but a deleted scene from War has The Colonel tell Caesar that a human came to him and pleaded with him to make peace with Caesar, so he executed him... Caesar immediately found out this human was Malcolm. You know, in case the end of Dawn wasn't enough of a debbie downer.

[@njmoonfrost6145]

Thank heavens it’s not canon. Would have broken my heart

[@lunalegion]

I’m pretty sure that was mentioned in the novelization that took place between Dawn & War.

[@matrixman117edits7]

Hate to break it, but further books and comics confirmed this to still happen.

[@TheGhost-rp3ko]

​@njmoonfrost6145 hate to be a downer but Matt Reeves (director of Dawn & War) has confirmed that Malcolm and his family died at the hands of the Colonel in War

[@matrixman117edits7]

@@TheGhost-rp3ko No. Just Malcolm.

[@sherede1442]

The part at the end where Malcolm says “I really thought we had a chance…” and Caesar says “…me too” gets me in the feels every time 😭

[@wongus1907]

Even sadder to know that the villain in the third movie actually killed him revealed in a deleted scene

[@josephrusso4828]

@@wongus1907 I keep seeing people say this but it’s a deleted scene, we don’t know for sure whether it’s canon or not.

[@dylanfooler]

​@@josephrusso4828 Apparently there are also books and comics which are cannon and also mention Malcom being executed

[@interviolet6675]

Koba is such a Shakespearian villain, you understand how and why he is the way he is and that conflict was basically unavoidable. Interestingly koba is a bonobo one of the more docile apes that looks similar to a chimp. Caesar is a chimp one of the most dangerous and scary apes but with the intelligence to control his emotions at least makes him more composed until he isn't. Rise had some slightly less than real rendering but Dawn and War they look photo real like it's freaky lol

[@dracodracarys2339]

"shakespearean villain" aka Monkebeth

[@interviolet6675]

@@dracodracarys2339 Lol

[@Art3Zoe]

It gets even better when you realize that bonobos are actually MORE aggressive than chimps, if the latest scientific discoveries have anything to say about it. The movie might ironically be way ahead of its time. Once again the simple story makes way for a more nuanced one.

[@Art3Zoe]

​@@moon-moth1 I completely agree with you, a single study does not instantly invalidate the many others that came before it. We'll have to wait and see if future studies can confirm their findings. My comment is simply based on the possibility of these new claims being true. Now, I dont have a link just lying around sorry, but i'm sure you can find your way to the original source through all the news articles on the study. May the power of Google be with you

[@interviolet6675]

@@Art3Zoe hm wasn't aware of that but comparatively they're less scary than chimps in general who don't need much of a reason to mess anything up beyond recognition I stand by my fear of chimpanzees

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

9:08 Bonus win! Koba fights with pure animalistic fury and bludgeoning. He lets his muscle and instinct do the talking. Caesar uses punches, blocks. He fights more like a man, another sign of his evolution, and ultimately why he wins the fight. EDIT: remembered this because of that scene, when Caesar is choking Koba, you can see him wrestle with his primal chimp instincts demanding he kill Koba. Chimp societies are brutal and savage, and the fact that Caesar is clearly evolved but not TOTALLY detached from his animal nature is why he’s so friggin cool to me

[@user-xp3mn9we3m]

Chimp society are hella advanced, but I see what you're saying.

[@elijahalbiston]

Oh yeah 100%. Caesar's not just an ape, and he's not just growing into a human, he's THE APE. Practically the perfect blend of emotion, intelligence, physicality, and culture. But they never let that get in the way of showing him as a complex character with weakness and strength.

[@galadriusthemighty]

“It only takes one bad dude to mess up life for millions.” This. Resonates.

[@TheDukeOfTumwater]

One scene you didn’t mention that I really like was the scene with Gary Oldman’s character alone in his office after the power comes back on, and being brought to tears over the memories of his family. I really like it for two reasons: 1). It highlights the fragility of our modern existence, where we’re reliant on technology to hold our most precious memories which can be easily lost forever, and 2). gives us some insight into the character and grants him a degree of empathy that wouldn’t be extended to similar ones in other movies. I like to think that part of the reason he wanted to get the power back on was so that he could be reunited with the memories of his long dead family. A very humanizing moment that often gets underlooked but which I think illuminates what is so special about this trilogy.

[@nandorino]

Was going to point this out too. Such a moving scene

[@dracodracarys2339]

It's a point on how he isn't the real bad guy: at the end of the day, he's just a desperate person trying to survive. And so are all the humans. And so are all the apes. And then Koba breaks the fragile truce, and all hell breaks loose.

[@KittyPieVibes]

I lost my Guinea pig recently and all I have left of her now are the photos and videos I took. Seeing him look at the pictures with joy and pain in his eyes, it hit really close

[@lup1up]

Great points. And it's also one of a million other ways that the movie shows the parallels of the human plight and the ape's plight, as we later see Caesar doing the very same thing Oldman's character did by reminiscing with the old camcorder video. They're both fighting for the same thing; it's just that their respective societies are pitted adversarily against each other from the get-go based on how things initially unfolded. Tragic indeed, and way too real...

[@darwinaguilero3175]

The movie is framed like a tragedy, and I love it. Everything falls into place in the wrong way and ends in a very bittersweet way. I think my favorite scene is where Caesar thinks about Will. Calling him a good man means the world to me.

[@dwightlangdale4132]

Also I'm pretty sure "Run" is the first, and one of the few things Maurice actually says. As most of the time he signs. The "Run" is probably my favorite line. So chilling, but also, like wholesome if you think about it? Maurice is the OG

[@njmoonfrost6145]

The sad thing about Koba? He forgot about the first human that took care of him and his mother. She tried so hard to keep them safe and happy. She’s the one that taught him sign language. But his hate for humans made him blind

[@josephrusso4828]

Yeah, she wasn’t the only human who treated him nice. There was a scientist who treated koba decently. I believe his name was Amol, or something like that. Anyway, this just goes to show that koba knew about good humans, despite all his claims to the contrary. He ignored those memories and only focused on the bad ones. The weird part is that everyone just took him at his word, including the fans of this series.

[@dmochat]

I don't remember hearing about any of that. Was that in some part of the first movie that I missed?

[@josephrusso4828]

@@dmochat It’s in a prequel book, ‘Firestorm’.

[@xx-xc1mb]

You have no idea how happy I am to finally see someone who knows about the novels (here on YT and in general). Not a fan of the novelizations, but man, Greg Keyes’s ‘Firestorm’ and ‘Revelations’ is just... I LOVE them and the way they show certain characters from entirely different perspectives, like Koba, or McCullough. The way they also fill some gaps, expand what movies gave us, and add new interesting characters... God, these novels mean so much to me. Again, glad to see that someone else is aware of them, because if you’re a fan of the trilogy and want more content about this universe, I’m sure you’ll like the novels as well. Hope you’re doing alright and have a great time! ⟨: (sorry if my english is bad, not my native language)

[@xx-xc1mb]

​@@josephrusso4828 Hello. Sadly I have nothing to add, except to agree, but like with the og commentator, just wanted to show my appreciation to you, great person, who knows about the novels too [: Hope you have a great time and everything’s good in life!

[@erikpinillo4432]

This trilogy was so paradoxical in that it was the best in the sci-fi business, yet hardly anyone talked about it when they were initially released. Happy its getting recognized, (it's my personal favorite of the 3)

[@andiran23]

If no one talked about it they wouldn't have been box-office hits

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

No, they were definitely big at the time, they performed super well, I just think a lot of chronically online people didn’t watch them at the time, because most of us mainly see online discussion

[@juliandacosta6841]

I personally didn't like Rise, but imo War is an objectively bad movie. Felt like one of those movies where nothing happens, like the last jedi.

[@WhiteRose2002]

@@juliandacosta6841War is definitely my least favourite, but I still had a good time with it, was it a perfect landing for the trilogy no but it was good enough

[@josephrusso4828]

⁠@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Some people didn’t watch them when they released because they just seemed silly. The lackluster marketing and ads really didn’t help with this either.

[@kieranduffy3434]

This movie is absolutely phoenomenal. One of my personal favourite movies of all time and IMO the best of the entire series.

[@k1ngk4gl3]

It's stupidly amazing. There hasn't been a bad one yet, and this one still towers over the others.

[@Morfe02]

Is really good in cinemas is an experience I feel bad the Next one is not that good

[@SnidgetAsphodel]

Also one of my favorite movies of all time. It's a masterpiece.

[@kieranduffy3434]

@@SnidgetAsphodel You have good taste brother!

[@thingusbingus8181]

Part of why I love Gary Oldman in this is one scene which shows him crying over his family. He shows so much much pain amd sorrow without a line, and you instantly understand why he hates the apes, he can't blame anyone specific for losing his family to the simian flu so he turns his anger and sorrow on the apes. It's easy to say we'd all seek peace ourselves, but we're not in his shoes.

[@melsuppatlol4565]

It's often hard to seek peace with the ones that indirectly took your peace away, even though it wasn't intentional (though you'd probably not know that)

[@TheGhost-rp3ko]

Fun fact: the images of the kids on the tablet are his kids in real life

[@MariAnimates]

Clearly this series was not the one to rewatch for me post-pandemic, during active genocides. Everything about this movie hits *HARD* in ways I didn't know I had in me. I genuinely cried watching these movies. I haven't had a movie perfectly reflect the era of my life so well in a long time

[@sebastianmoran7988]

I just wanted to point out, One thing I love about the early dynamic with Cesar and Koba, the scene with the bear, They know each other so well in a scrap, that when Cesar is confronted with the bear, and he hears Kobe coming, he stands up And makes that howl, so that the bear will stand up on its haunches and roars in an intimidation gesture of it own, set up Koba for the easy kill

[@JitteryJackanape]

The tank shot is one of the best camera angles in the last 25 years. Amazing film. Everything being on location and practical when possible really helps this film genuinely feel real. The effects will hold up for generations. You'd think this came out this year with how good it still looks.

[@nicholasolson7032]

"Who's to decide who's not a true scotsman" It's actually not that bad. Koba killed Rocket's son already, and in doing so made himself not an ape, so he's not protected by that law anymore.

[@krysmun]

Not only that, but he fired the first shot (literally) At Ceasar. Even if Ceasar did survive, that shot could well have Killed him, hence it broke the rule. Koba knew the guns were lethal, he aimed, he shot. if Ceasar Lived or Died beyond that point, didn't matter, as Koba already used him as a martyr for his own agenda against the Humans. For Koba's purposes, at that time, Ceasar was Dead, and that was his cause for war. He attempted to kill another ape. even before his first confirmed ape kill, A previous attempt was made and broke the rule. So He loses all right to cite that same rule that he broke first. Especially not to the one he broke that rule against.

[@live4life551]

One thing that needs to be mentioned is how during the battle scene the apes were just pointing the ARs and spraying bullets in the human's genral direction you never even see them reloading, chances are there was some friendly fire here and there. By the time Koba is on their doorstep you can even see one to the right shooting at the gate, not at the parapet above or the ones who survived Luca's fireball slam just at the steel wall in front of him, this truly paints a picture of just how unprepared with battle they were and makes their survival in War all the more impressive.

[@josephrusso4828]

You’re right. Some people were confused about how the apes won that battle but it was just hundreds of them wildly firing at the broad side of a building, basically using suppressive fire to breach the defenses. And yeah, they were very unskilled. Of course, the humans had an entrenched position and were more skilled with modern weapons, which directly led to hundreds of apes getting killed. In the third film, the apes used a combo of trench and guerrilla warfare (pun intended) to hide from the soldiers as long as possible.

[@rootfam8618]

Not to mention that the humans were caught completely unprepared and had like 5 minutes to man their garrisons. If they had a day or so of preparation they could easily put more people in their defences, hide their weapons from the apes and lay traps. Hell, when the apes win theyre shown herding at least a thousand humans, wheras there are only a few dozen defenders at most. It always struck me how easily the humans could have won if the apes didnt do a suprise attack.

[@sharkbait5557]

“If I saw Koba I’d just remove my own face and offer it to him, I think?” Absolutely relatable my guy, this was actually akin to my thought the first time I saw this scene “If I was being stared down by Koba like that I’d probably give him my right arm to beat me with”

[@ianprudencio9041]

When you say "another war-hungry, complicated anti-hero/villain, 'peace was never an option,'" I keep thinking about the goose. It was only when I looked up the quote, did I understand who you were referencing.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

What is it referencing tho?

[@ianprudencio9041]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 apparently Magneto, not sure what the context is however

[@carktheshark]

I did the same thing 😅

[@JonMichaelVillagomez]

X-Men First Class on the beach!

[@professionalmemeenthusiast2117]

Maurice compared to Koba would at least have the perspective of having seen human children before

[@Mathmachine]

I love how you can feel the genuine passion for these movies and all the interesting things they did, even with what are generally considered the bad ones. It comes from an actual place of love rather than just filling a quota for a gimmick.

[@nicholasolson7032]

My read was that it didn't come down to Carver and Koba. The conflict would be inevitable in the end. With power the humans would eventually have expanded, either by expedition, or drawing others in. That would put them back into conflict with the apes. Carver and Koba were the catalysts, but if it wasn't them it would have been something.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

Maybe. But I think the idea is that it would have been people like those two that did it. Theres more than enough room on the planet at this point for both, and they don't even necessarily conflict over resources because the humans are post apocalyptic so are mostly concerned with human settlements while the apes are more natural. And while there is the issue of human settlements having taken all the good locations for great ape societies to settle, it doesn't seem to have prevented Caesers group from thriving.

[@rootfam8618]

I agree, conflict is inevitable in a way. People like Carver will always exist at he end of the day. But, id like to believe in an alternate universe, peace lasts for another decade or so and the violent people are rendered docile from the new strain of the virus, keeping Caeser safe😭

[@jliller]

Koba and Carter are a reminder of a grim, harsh truth: it only takes one. As long as there is a non-zero number, we are not safe.

[@ther3aper561]

I know Davey Jones in Pirates is a masterclass in CGI that has stood the test of time. But man this and War were so insane I legit forget I'm not watching real animals acting still to this day. There are moments in Daen where it still is a bit uncanny but War was absolutely wild to watch

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

I sincerely believe this is the best of the current crop of PotA movies. Both sides on "even" footing, complicated motives, genuine tragedy, intellectually concise planning and understandable characters arcs. It's an incredibly well-written and paced movie. That just so happens to have talking simians. I love it.

[@elijahalbiston]

I used to dislike this one but it's really grown on me. Don't get me wrong, I love Caesar's Rise and then the absolute tragedy of War, but I think this one is the best blend of it all. It's got the most condensed story. Or maybe I'm just a sucker for the middle films because GOTG vol 2 is my personal favorite of that trilogy as well, and Dune Part Two is incredible. I love these new trilogies coming out.

[@a.morphous66]

Another brilliant detail is how the movie contrasts Caesar and Dreyfus silencing a crowd. The human has to yell over them into a bullhorn for several sentences before the chattering trickles to a stop, but the ape is so incredibly respected by his clan that he just needs a single shout. And how those leadership styles end up having a cruel irony to them; Dreyfus not having ironclad control allows his people to form their own opinions and ends up saving a lot of lives, and Caesar being such a revered figure is exploited to devastating effect when Koba makes him into a martyr.

[@peopleperson]

Week 173.1 of asking for Everything Great About Dead Man's Chest

[@DhavalPatel-tw9mg]

IM ADDING TO THIS LIKE 20 weeks of hoping 😂

[@BenBoyee]

Stay strong.

[@ThaAlecman]

I want it too

[@thomasleonardis711]

The only problem is I’m not sure there was enough about it to make a good video. I liked the movie but I like anything. Most people are less forgiving.

[@saintjimmy_ajh]

Na, Dead Man’s Chest is a good film and At Worlds End is even solid, if a bit too long. And considering he’s always done videos on not so good movies before, there’s no reason imo he couldn’t do the other Pirates films

[@TheWhitetiger011]

I'm going through these movies right now. Just have War left to watch. Watching Koba trick those idiots with the guns into letting their guard down was so amazing and terrifying at the same time. 4th try in asking, Lee pretty please. Do an EGA of Speed Racer. That movie deserves more love, and I feel like you're just the person to do it justice!

[@stickiedmin6508]

I'm pretty sure he's already done EGA Speed Racer. If it's nowhere to be found that either means I'm wrong, or it got taken down.

[@plutopepsi578]

A lot of the reason bonobos are so chill is their mating system and social structure. I’m not gonna give details lol but they build very strong interpersonal relationships but koba doesn’t HAVE these social relationships so it makes sense that he’s not as calm.

[@GodzillaFan528]

EGA The Hunchback of Notre Dame EGA The Prince of Egypt

[@Em-hp5fz]

YES

[@teneesh3376]

Probably won't do on KZbin cause Dreamworks has been pretty bad for cinemawins. His king fu panda ones have been copy claimed a couple times

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

@@teneesh3376noooo 😢

[@KotaLikesBiking]

OH MY GOD YES THE TRILOGY I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO COVER! THESE ARE MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE MOVIES AND IM SO EXCITED FOR KINGDOM

[@KotaLikesBiking]

might just get a nebula subscription to watch your war for the planet of the ape video

[@marcofioretti6908]

I will never get over how straight up cool the apes look on horseback

[@Tygermite]

Another thing I love about Koba was that he was a sympathetic villain done right. We DO feel sorry for him and completely get why he's so hateful and bloodthirsty, but his actions put him in a very villainous light that we still root against him. Usually when it comes to sympathetic villains, it becomes difficult who to root for because we feel bad for the villain. But in Koba's case, we know he needs to be stopped. And it also makes his death tragic too, but a necessary one.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Matt Reeves should bring Michael Seresin to work in the sequel of THE BATMAN as DoP They did a great job in these movies, and Seresin's style would be a perfect fit

[@micahhynson27]

Seresin is great, but Fraser is on another level atm.

[@Johnny5isstillalive]

@@micahhynson27yeah, The Batman is one of the most incredibly shot movies I’ve seen in the last five years. I love Dawn because of the writing and performance, but I think The Batman looks better

[@micahhynson27]

@@Johnny5isstillalive Not to mention Dune 1 and 2.

[@adityadas5820]

@@Johnny5isstillalive i think the style and tone for both movies suit the respective cinematographers.

[@transformersrevenge9]

The best thing about this movie is just how grey the conflict is. Both sides have one her and one villain in charge. Caesar and Malcolm are idealists who think they can co-exist. Meanwhile Dreyfus and Koba are both shaped by loss/suffering, and feel very patriotic towards their species, to the point of only feeling safe if the other side is wiped out completely. It's especially direct in Koba's case, as he is an abuse victim, who has enjoyed 10 years of peace, and suddenly his tortures come back, and start demanding stuff that will help the rebuild their society and come to power again. Koba literally sees that humans will get the power running again, rebuild, and throw him in a cage again. So he does everything he can, to put a stop to it. But as he takes more and more self serving actions, he sort of becomes a tyrant as well, because the only way he can break the apes who have learned from Caesars peaceful ways, is by establishing himself as the strongest. But yeah, it's interesting to have a good and a bad guy on both sides, and not just one dimensional bad guys, but bad guys who's motivation we can understand.

[@ImTyde]

The introduction to this movie is deserving of 10,000 wins. Absolutely soul crushing.

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

An extra win for the this movie and the entire trilogy for not overusing Ceasar's "NO!" in forced scenes for the sequels. Rise is just special!

[@melsuppatlol4565]

well, he did went from "NO!" to "GO!" to speaking full sentences lol

[@elijahalbiston]

he has different powerful phrases in each film instead. "Ape together strong."

[@ETibbs11]

Just rewatched Dawn because of this video. Holy hell, it's such a good movie. Hard to believe it's already 10 years old! Its effects hold up infinitely better than most VFX churned out today. And the story is still so excellent, the themes even more harrowing and relevant in the years since its release. I am so stoked to watch your video about War and watch the movie itself, too!

[@wingzero7X]

What sucks to me for Carver, is the actor played Joe Toye from band of Brothers. on one side I was happy to see he was getting good roles, but the guy is a phenomenal actor

[@Dalpima]

I love bit of Oldman being like "THEY. ARE. ANIMALS!" And then it blips to shot of Apes riding horses meaning they are intelligent enough to know about Animal Husbandry on the Civics Tech chart..... How many other animals do YOU know can ride a horse after taming it? Hahaha

[@--gato]

This guy gets it. This guy gets how much I love these movies. They carried me through lockdown, without them I genuinely dont think I'd be the person I am today

[@DanteYewToob]

I was thinking about it, and Koba and Caesar probably got the most “brain juice” right? Caesar got a double dose, Koba got dosed and experimented on at the lab and then he also got gassed again too… right? I was wondering why he’s so intelligent and in seemingly a different way than a lot of the apes, understanding manipulation and scheming on a deeper level but I guess he technically is one of the smartest apes alive at that point. Makes sense that one of the smartest apes with the most anger and drive to learn and become “better than the humans” in every way would make him a serious threat.

[@tyrellr7818]

17:28 "Peace was never an option." - Magneto.

[@CassiusKent]

I'm glad Koba just wasn't the power hungry villain who was jealous of Caesar.

[@Keithjmcc]

Human work. Human work. Takes Coba from a bad guy to a pretty good character.

[@JosephLSelby]

You were on point calling Koba a zealot. That's why he was most likely to fall. Leaders can't meet forever the expectations of those who put them on a pillar.

[@macyspratt4702]

My favorite part of Caesar killing Koba is that Caesar looks like he's going to save Koba until he looks up and sees all the other apes watching and then he knows he has to kill Koba because saving him would be forgiving him for killing Ceasars people (especially Rockets son, Ash). You can tell that Caesar is heartbroken by the choice but it needed to be done. Also I like how we can fully relate to and understand why Koba did what he did. Even after shooting Caesar and doing all the did, I still felt bad for him and what he went through. Also final point I feel like him dropping Koba shows his change fir the first movie when he didn't push the helicopter off the bridge and let Koba do it. Now he did the same thing to Koba thar he originally refused to do.

[@NastyHudson]

12:04 if you want more of Gary Oldman shooting stuff in movies might I recommend The Fifth Element. Please.

[@live4life551]

Fun fact: That was an ACTUAL TANK they got from the army

[@vasillischilde]

On a related note, I saw Monkey Man yesterday and now I'm just hanging out for the EGA for it.

[@daianspahava8279]

This was the movie I watched alone around when I was 14-15 years old and man I rewatched it twice cause of how amazing it was; also Koba’s screams are so feral, guttural and full of rage while Cesar has that roar of a lion of a leader and Toby was amazing, his mannerisms as Koba were the selling point of Dawn

[@davidosullivan2754]

One cool scene I really liked was when the apes are coming out of the subway and Caesar walks through the turnstile but the other apes jump and climb over it, just showing how much smarter he is than the others.

[@juicestains52]

So apparently in a deleted scene from War for the Planet of the Apes, it’s confirmed that some time between the events of Dawn and War, Malcom is executed by Woody Harrelson’s character and that honestly makes this movie so much more heart breaking.

[@RoryMarverous]

I just have to comment on the music Michael Giacchino wrote for this movie. The first track, Level Plaguing Field, is so good. It set the melancholy tone of the film briliantly and it's just so so so good. And the visuals sync up with the detuned piano in the background really well to create a powerful clip that really stays with you. If you can give this film's OST a listen, please do. It's a real work of art!

[@andreww2408]

I love this channel more than words. Provides so much joy.

[@BigHeadClan]

Pain Heals but glory last forever is damn cool line.

[@MemeDungeonCheese]

The Replacements is a movie FILLED with these lines. Check it out if you haven't. Seriously underrated gem

[@780_triple5]

Does anyone else get an Apocalypse Now vibe when Malcom leaves the truck? “Leave if I’m not back in two hours,” and the shots of him approaching the apes’ home, going under the bridge, almost felt like when Willard leaves the boat to find fuel at the last American checkpoint, and also when they leave to relieve themselves and stumble upon a tiger. More so the last outpost for the shattered humanity feel. “Never leave the boat”

[@bakdpotato143]

To be honest. I don't think Koba would have went the way he did if wasn't introduced to humans again. They show up and shoot Ash: Koba is pissed and wants to do something, Caesar understands and rallies a group to tell them not to come back. They come back. Caesar helps them get power which Koba thinks could be used against them. This is his BIG turning point. After this he starts to lose faith in Caesar Then one pulls a shotgun on Caesars kid and wife. Caesar does nothing. Koba calls him out and fully loses faith.

[@roundlakerailfan6853]

EGA An American Tail* EGA Balto EGA Bolt EGA Cats Don't Dance EGA Despicable Me* EGA Hotel Transylvania* EGA Ice Age* EGA Over the Hedge EGA PAW Patrol: The Movie EGA PAW Patrol: The Mighty Movie EGA Ratchet & Clank EGA Robots EGA Shark Tale EGA Sing 2 EGA Space Jam EGA Star Wars: The Clone Wars EGA Thunderbirds EGA Tom & Jerry: The Movie (1993) EGA Trolls: World Tour EGA Trolls: Band Together (*And videos for the sequels)

[@theblazinken3501]

Add Rango to the list

[@roundlakerailfan6853]

@@theblazinken3501 How 'bout no.

[@00ammy00]

OMG Balto yes, my childhood movie😭 Still brings me to tears.

[@acartdodger1046]

I've been waiting for everything for this.

[@danieljewell-lk4gu]

Always loved this trilogy and Dawn was definitely my favourite, glad you covered it.

[@JOshua_custodJO]

Knowing now that Koba is a Bonobo makes everything 10x more funny knowing how bonobos solve their conflicts

[@PurestVince]

Jason Clarke doesn't get the credit he deserves. Brilliant aussie actor.

[@dracodracarys2339]

Ngl this film handled the whole "making peace with an other" much better than Avatar. In Avatar all the humans are cartoonishly evil military men and all the Na'vi are holier-than-thou noble savages. Here, there's a lot more nuance. There are good-intentioned, sympathetic humans who are desperate survivors and don't trust the apes, and there are genuinely evil apes who seek war and ignore a peaceful resolution. There is good in both sides, and there is bad on both sides. The real evil is the war itself.

[@samsonitebricks5582]

Fun fact: part of the reason I had so much stress the first couple months of the pandemic was because of this film

[@BPgamemaster12]

Watch the entire Caesar Trilogy earlier this week and they still hold up as great movies. Thanks for covering them as well here. Can't wait for Kingdom.

[@JamesG1880]

10:15 It’s so sad cause these guys weren’t bad or good, and they genuinely were pretty chill toward Koba.. but he was so hurt beyond repair that he killed humans that were fairly kind toward him.

[@ricopena2053]

Koba is such a tragic character. He can never get over the fact that he was tortured and experimented on by the humans and does not understand that humans are also kind. He was not raised by Will like Caesar was.

[@trexhunter2883]

This movie I only just watched for the first time recently and holy hell is it one of the best movies out there. It's a movie about talking monkeys but somehow is one of the most human films ever. Like how the hell does this movie work this well?

[@patrickspencer6550]

Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can: 1. Request #32 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001). 2. Request #21 for Shrek (2001) 3. Request #22 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). I also understand how you might be busy with Dune: Part 2 and possibly Oppenheimer. But still take your time. Love you, CinemaWins!!! Also is next week (from the War Planet Ape Nebula video): Other trilogy?

[@lucinaaugusta7279]

One detail I think they really nailed in these movies is how Koba twists the idea of "apes together strong" for his own personal power gain - the same way Mussolini twisted the ideas of collectivism to create italian fascism. Even the symbol that caesar uses shows this - the bundle of sticks, in Latin "fasces", was an ancient roman symbol for collectivism and democracy, but under Mussolini was twisted into a symbol of fascism, which is where the word fascism comes from.

[@lucinaaugusta7279]

Another thing - throughout the movie Caesar and the other apes almost exclusively, as far as i remember, refer to themselves in the third person, as just their names, or when talking to humans, as "ape/apes". Right up until the end when Caesar says "I did too" to Malcolm.

[@francisnicolas1819]

I got downvoted to hell on Reddit for saying this, but I actually preferred it in the Caesar trilogy when the apes speak in broken English, because when they do choose to speak instead of just signing, it makes it all the more impactful. Koba's delivery for a line like "Caesar love human more than ape" just wouldn't work the same if he could speak normally. It adds to the feeling of what a struggle it is for him to speak, but he still makes the effort because of how angry he is.

[@FrequentUser99]

I know it’s because Ruby Gillman was delayed, but it’s a nice surprise to have two Cinemawins videos in a week! Also hoping for future EGA videos about Wish Nimona Argylle Wonka Sing 2 The Bad Guys Game Night and the Scream series.

[@mitchellturner470]

I don’t know if it’s intentional by Koba but surely spitting alcohol in the faces of those two guys would stun them in some way

[@titan_redeemer7371]

I’m right there with you, I would have loved a tv show that just followed these apes being awesome and surviving in the redwoods as they build their new home. It could’ve give us more of a connection to the characters, Caesar, Koba, Maurice, Blue Eyes, and poor Cornelia who we hardly see in any of the three movies. Yes I know a tie in tv series to the Planet of the Apes trilogy of all things is a bit of a groaner but come on! It’s hyper intelligent apes riding horses and building a society in the redwoods while the world of humanity crumbles to bits around them. How cool is that!

[@thesaviorofsouls5210]

I remember checking multiple times over years to see if you covered these movies, im so glad youre covering not one but all of the movies!

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

Koba is one of the most sympathetic villains I've ever seen. Humans mutilated, ridiculed, tortured, and imprisoned him. He has every reason to hate them. Though it makes sense, it does not make him righteous.

[@supermrmainman]

Hey man I love your work. I’ve been watching since your Deadpool video, and I appreciate the optimistic take on beloved and… less beloved movies. Recently though, I’ve noticed a slightly more politicized commentary coming from you, and while I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you’re saying, it always kinda pulls away from the wonder and escapism that this channel seems to be built around. I’ve always loved your work, and I love these movies, so it’s jarring to suddenly be pulled into COVID discussion or “humanity bad” commentary that saturates everywhere else. Nothing but respect for you and what you do, and nobody else gets to dictate how you run your channel. Just thought I’d let you know how a fan of yours feels about it. God bless and best to your family!

[@MemeDungeonCheese]

Personally I like it. It's refreshing to see political discourse handled so well and points being made in context of the movies. You may not like politics in film and video essays about films. But it is necessary for the public discourse. We need to do better. We need to vote better. We need to educate ourselves and each other to do better.

[@user-hk9nd3cu6r]

I like how Koba's speech is the most similar to a human despite his hate for them.

[@shaggycan]

I loved how they showed how strong the apes are. It's hard for humans to understand how much stronger something the same size as us is.

[@claytonrios1]

The fact that the opening was shown in 2014 and we've had a pandemic since then... It makes the plausibility of this film all the more harrowing.

[@WinterPhoenix]

Do everything great about 'The Bad Guys' you know you want to do itttt

[@Morfe02]

I watch this movie in theaters is just amazing I feel the secuel can't be this good when the monkeys are more interesting than the humans Man i didnt know is Matt Reeves he knows to make fire and night scenes

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

11:00 I thought it was more Caesar telling with the face "Koba, I know you don't trust them, but look, this is for the..." (Koba shows the Gun) Caesar: "... Best?" (gets shot by Koba)

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

1:53 Did I expect a The Replacements reference? No. But I see you, Cinema Wins.

[@rogueguardian]

I got to rewatch these movies, how did i forget they were so good?!

[@ZarMationStudios18]

Surprisingly, I can empathize with Carver. I love to hate him too, but his irrational gut fear of the new and scary is something we've all experienced sometime in our lives. He's a "normal" person, skilled but probably not terribly educated, and like alot of other characters in the film he lets his fear get the better of him. To me that makes his final scene feel tragic - he had a brief moment of joy and clarity seeing the power come on, says "holy shit, you guys did it," and has a laugh seemingly at himself for being so worried it wouldn't work. And then Koba shows up.

[@corbettevans7483]

Do you think you could do "John Carter" and Disney's "Lone Ranger"? Both movies are actually very good with awesome effects and good stories, but were murdered by Disney failing to promote them well. I'd love to see your opinion!! Also, JP3 when?

[@KICK839]

One of the great thing about this series is how they are not afraid to kill important character just out of nowhere,,be it blue eyes,malcolm ,cornelia or even that gorilla.

[@DCUniverse816]

I thought Dreyfus felt more like the human equivalent to Koba than Carver

[@erichfiedler1481]

Okay, yesterday you give us an animated DreamWorks film with Ruby Gillman (you forgot a win for the DreamWorks logo transitioning into jellyfish), and now Dawn of the Planet of the Apes today?

[@Taniks_The_Final_Shape]

16:03 You are quite literally correct with Caesar being “…on another level…” Because Caesar did technically have two doses of the ALZ. The first one, he was born with but he also got the second one when he threw all the air versions back in Rise.

[@arjunator2688]

He said this himself in the EGA rise of planet of the apes

[@kuronyra1709]

When I saw theses movies when they came out, I was under the prejudice of thinking as them as "dumb reboot" like there had been so many. And... While I liked them in themselves. It's only thanks to your channel that I'm now able to truly appreciate the work done on them. So thank you CinemaWins!

[@LonesomeDoveMasters]

Kirk Acevedo, who plays Carver, is one of my favorite actors. I'm always excited to see him pop up in something. I've never been disappointed in his performance.

[@RdnFikri]

Gary Oldman's "They are animals!" lives rent free in my head. He yelled that twice, I think. Like dude, you've seen them, are they just animals? lmao.

[@PesMe]

This POTA trilogy is too good

[@louisberry4403]

Best Film Of The Franchise and one of the best blockbuster films ever made. Andy And Toby deserved Oscar Nominations. Such a thrilling and deep film. Hope Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes captures what made this so good.