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[@AoiKaze2000]

Having completed DT, it's interesting hearing the speculations and how right (or hillariously wrong) they are.

[@Deode-d4h]

I must say, seeing Preach and Jesse be so hyped up for Dawntrail is infectious. Like if those two could jump up and down and scream how excited they were, they look like they would do it. It definitely helped that they bonded over the previous Final Fantasy games before going into the Dawntrail trailer talk.

[@InvictusRed1911]

VOD squad we in here.

[@IKMcGwee]

Was sadly working when this started but I'm here to vod it up

[@gale9835]

Aye o7 Same here, was at work and super busy

[@ponderingForever]

Ayo

[@rossker123]

I love seeing Garrett as the local Kyle translator for the class

[@Deode-d4h]

Kyle: **Slight concern** We're going to watch the trailer the others have already seen? 🤔 Jesse and Preach: **Very excitedly** We're doing it live!? 😃 Those two were ecstatic to feast on their reactions.

[@Tysonbaradad]

I forgot about the very visceral anger I felt when the shock collars went on the twins until preach was talking about it. Like "I'm the most dangerous person in this room and *I will* go scorched earth if anything happens to them"

[@patyos2]

Yeah they were taken as hostages to force the warrior of light to cooperate 😅

[@rickkiller2000]

Honestly though, you gotta admit it's a good way to force the WoL to actually behave. And the fact that it gets such an intense reaction from the player is a good sign

[@Steve-YT383]

I had the same reaction

[@PerpetuallyTiredMusician]

rarely do you find a podcast that has 3 guests and they all click. You have caught personality magic in a ffxiv podcast shaped bottle. This was a good time

[@rajabuta]

Preach starting out hot: Why do you hate Nanamo? 😂 #LetLalasRide

[@evsya7674]

Omg, the way preach described the team moving the studio furniture around, it genuinely sounds like Yoshi-P was the one nervous and excited about finally getting a chance to be part of one of Preach's interviews not the other way around. "He's seen your other interviews and wants a similar setup". That just feels... so surreal.

[@thesunthrone]

Who wouldn't be nervous when the Floor Inspector arrives?

[@HotaruGlaive]

Um, sure. Or maybe after doing Los Angeles he realized how "stiff" the other interviews may appear? Also, Quazii and Jesse don't do regular interviews that way, but if they did maybe YoshiP would have had something to compare it to. Preach had something to compare it to and YoshiP is a thoughtful person.

[@carrotlyn]

@@HotaruGlaivebuzzkill

[@HotaruGlaive]

@@carrotlyn So you are not happy that other's got interviews? What do you have against Jesse and Quazii?

[@carrotlyn]

@@HotaruGlaive lotta words you’re putting in my mouth, there

[@andrewpotter6455]

watching Preach tumble down the Sailor Moon rabbit hole was an absolute joy

[@DSTkunn]

To be honest, Ascians are such a huge interconnected piece to ffxiv lore. It's kind of unavoidable, maybe not as a focal point, but probably mentioned in passing.

[@smartalec2001]

It's the legacy we have been left. What does it mean, for the Ascians to be gone? We can explore it.

[@Sprakenheit]

Great podcast. Even with 5 people, it wasn't confusing at all and was very fun. Looked like everyone had fun as well which is always good

[@mosselyn5081]

I kinda can't believe I watched the whole thing, but this was super fun and worth the watch. Thank you!

[@muja_bunny]

Jesse saying people's memory only lasts as long as it takes for the next hottie to show up like Aymeric doesn't still have a dedicated fan base

[@ChrisMajors]

1:45:20 Jesse: "I want CRAZY!" : "I am a wholesale distrubutor of crazy and crazy accessories, here's a free sample" Everyone:

[@wackyzap1304]

This podcast was so entertaining. I love everyone on the screen.

[@yelenapavlenko2344]

I could watch 10 hours of you all talking. That was so much fun! Hyped for Dawntrail as heck :)

[@Omega068]

01:48:00 Thanks for the interpretation there Garrett. I think I knew what he was getting at, and watching Jesse get slowly more confused was wonderful, lol.

[@asberchekas]

Kyle picking up the Sailor Moon bit always makes me so freaking happy. When Endwalker came out and we got to that zone I looked to my husband and said "Are... are they season 1 Sailor Moon-ing us?"

[@GENOSANDIEGO]

I honestly need that Endwalker - Sailor Moon comparison video right now!

[@twilightchaosangel011]

It's out! XD

[@MrDfrose]

This round table is always a pleasure to watch. Great cast. Looking forward to more Dawntrail videos in the future.

[@RPGManoWar]

With hindsight, this episode is AMAZING by the way

[@manaswin123]

Love how everyone feels so hype about expansion

[@lulkaku]

idk why I can't stop imagining Garrett and Kyle G'Posing but wearing those Hawaiian shirts in game and all the devs and stuff just crowding their PCs. and I can't stop laughing about it.

[@CorranH99]

I realize I might be in the minority on this one but in general I am fine with main characters not being killed. I find that often times character deaths are a crutch writers will use to get an easy reaction from the audience. If a team of writers are really creative there are so many other forms of trauma that can be deeply emotional and effective. For example, with Thrancred not dying in ShB he instead get's to come to terms with his guilt over Minfilia and realizes what he should have been doing all along was helping Ryne forge her own path. Could that have been accomplished with his death there? Possibly. But I then we would miss out on his character growth after that which I find way more interesting.

[@jameslitz9819]

While that is true that death in fiction can be used as a crutch, isn't it a bit strange how the characters can endure so much, even going to the end of the whole universe, and come out alive? Every single dangerous thing they've done they have been fine, Y'shtola surviving one of the most dangerous forbidden spells TWICE. I think it's more about them risking entering the territory of there feeling like no real stakes. They still lean on the losses of Haurchefant, Ysayle and Moenbryda even today because of the lack of other losses to lean on story wise.

[@CorranH99]

@@jameslitz9819 Oh I don't totally disagree on that point. Just personally it doesn't bother me cause I would rather see characters grow from these events. Now if these events had happened and there was no plot or emotional payoff I would be 100% behind you. And one thing I think most of can agree on, and it was brought up by one of the guests (can't remember which), eventually something is going to give. Either eventually a plot moment will demand it or someone will want to no longer voice a character (another 10 years is a long time). Now all this is largely up to personal preference and I completely understand where the other side is coming from. Also I don't trust how much Yoshi-P is knowingly smiling when he tells us to have a nice summer vacation. Very sus.

[@Armydillo62o]

There’s a quote from Oda (the author of One Piece) that’s always stuck with me “I don’t like to kill characters; because then there’s fewer faces at the end-of-arc barbecue party.” And while One Piece CAN kill characters, most of the time they don’t, and it’s so they can be used again later. I think XIV wouldn’t have as many people calling for character deaths if the characters who were alive did more than just show up for cameos most of the time.

[@NekoBatyx]

​@@jameslitz9819 I think it makes more sense that they came out alive from going to the end of the universe BECAUSE of all the struggles they've gone through and coming out alive. That was the message that Hydaelyn was trying to instill in humans since the beginning. Living through those harrowing experiences gives the scions the indomitable human spirit to overcome the cruel indifference of the universe itself. That's why Hydaelyn tests our resolve before sending us off to our final encounter. It's not that Scions shouldn't die. It's that they're strong enough already to avoid dying to most things, and each of them have too much they care about that they will not recklessly throw their lives away for unless the situation specifically calls for their sacrifice.

[@AverageRandom-n6z]

@@jameslitz9819 I sorta agree with you? But there's also none of the support cast I would be happier if we lost. I wanna keep adventuring with them all. And more.

[@leffed2109]

A theory I have had since we learned we can time travel as canon (and a bit before but I really started cooking with it then) is that we go back in time and help Louisoix defeat Bahamut and become a primal. Because he didn't temper anyone and we know that summoning a primal doesn't have to temper people, as of EW, so we can help out with that, but of course we don't remember that we did any of that because we lost our memory like everyone else. So we are the Warrior of Light that people remember (and I know that those are a callback to the 1.0 players too, but if can still make sense for the game). I know there are probably holes in this theory, but I like it and when I heard Mage talk about time travel shenanigans I remembered this again 😃😆

[@rickkiller2000]

British Mindset vs American Mindset when it comes to the binders. We see something shiny and it's going in the bag.

[@DavePoint84]

Fantastic talk. I can hear the passion in everyones voices. Keep up the good work and I hope everyone enjoys DawnTrail :).

[@Yvanne]

thanks for posting all your podcasts on spotify guys. i appreciate it

[@Goodman_Grey]

All of the coolest people on the internet in one spot for a second time!??

[@sweetpanic705]

Less than 5 minutes and I'm already laughing 😂

[@psenkdead]

much love for kyle to do the stream inlay live. Good stuff

[@Snowmanse]

1:29:30 Jesse's idea had me question a quote from the trailer a bit more, presumably from the blue lizard man. "Our nation is a fortress, our people the bricks from which it is built." Fortresses are meant to protect something. If your people are the wall, then what is being guarded inside?

[@idleeidolon]

suggestion: next time you guys do a roundtable/podcast like this, always reserve a "square" for a browser screen. so you can load up videos with ease, or screenshots or articles, or even art or pictures. it's an easy way for watchers to know what the "supposed" topic on-hand is about, and could easily give the panel a focus on what to cook about. so no future mid podcast obs re-tooling.

[@MattBlind]

I'm so up for more preach and jesse. Holy hell so fun

[@leffed2109]

On killing the twins I talked to my gf about it and she said something that I really agree with. She pointed out that the most interesting character development would be to kill Alphie to see how Ali grows from that, but they wont kill him (I'm pretty sure he is Yoshi-Ps fav and also the protagonist if it wasn't the WoL) and it wouldn't be as interesting to see Alphie without Ali since we did already see that in HW (even if sure she wasn't dead but he has had character development without her there and even if you can argue Ali had some in SB and in the patches after SB it was not really the same since it was usually in the context of "we are doing this with scions" not "oh we don't even know if there are any scions left but us"). Also honestly I don't want to "lose" their VAs now with Colin streaming and many of the VAs joining him on the stream 😅

[@vazzaroth]

I am predicted everywhere online that I can that my prediction for the new expac story... Let me say this: Alolan Eikons.

[@TaurusVersant]

shoutout to jesse sharing my stance that x-2 has the best gameplay system of all ff games to date

[@Geallach83]

I feel angry that I watched this, because Jesse and Preach's story forecast make so much sense, I feel spoiled!!!! 🤣 Awesome roundtable, everyone!

[@TheHolymadrix]

Kyle is actually Cid. That's the twist for Dawntrail.

[@SarahExpereinceRequiem]

I'm not sure what Garret is talking about. Has Nanamo even had any story since 4.1 other than being at the same meetings with the others? It felt like Merlywb was the main character of 5.4. Kan-e-senna hasn't done anything other than chair meetings since, like, 2.2

[@AtypicalWarrior]

I was here for part of the stream, now ima watch the whole thing

[@BananaMellor]

On the topic of 'kids going to battle school' I hope everyone gives FF Type 0 a look, enough to at least do one playthrough. Even without all the hidden lore, the context you get that first time culminates so well for that 1st ending.

[@ixios4624]

For Kingdom Hearts, I remember playing 1 and 2 as a kid. Didn't know what was happening but whatever they said sounded cool. So when I replayed it as an adult, I found out about all the others. I immediately went "fuck it, i'm playing 1 & 2 and making up my own headcannon for everything else" lmao

[@chilidaemon7113]

The whole of Dawntrail is your dream while sleeping on trip back from the end of endwalker

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Since this episode turned into crackpot theories, here's mine: Erenville becomes the villain. He starts with the word "Tatakae".

[@Deode-d4h]

Oh no. We even have primals as our possible Titan shifting powers. Oh boy.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@Deode-d4h Zenos already did it with Shinryu. Plus we had that Mech piloting episode in Werlyt...

[@Lutehammer]

Coming back to this after completing DT and woow. My decision to not watch Launch Trailers continues to be affirmed but now I get to come back for the THEORIES ❤

[@tacticalonyx4499]

I do think we might get a lore distinction between ascians and surviving people of ethrys. Cause we see even though he isn't the best example, fandanial doesnt like the ascians goal. What's stopping a more stable minded one from saying emets plan is wacko and doing thier own thing.

[@NekoBatyx]

I think part of the reason Godzilla Minus One won the Oscar for Best VFX is because of all the invisible VFX throughout the movie. They posted an official behind-the-scenes breakdown of it on KZbin. I recommend checking it out because it definitely blew my mind.

[@e-rankluck2594]

Thancred in Shadowbringers was a 10/10 absolutely perfect Death scene

[@wackyzap1304]

Obligatory I fuckin love Preach.

[@Napalmcandy1]

Havent seen Sailor Moon nor do I know which ones, the oldest or newer ones that are being compared to Endwalker, but I have seen Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and from the spaceship flight up to defeating Endsinger is straight out of the final episodes of TTGL

[@Armydillo62o]

Not just that, but the Moon being an arc for humanity, Forchenault’s plan being almost identical to Rossieu’s, the Lopporits hitting you with a “hail fellow well met” It was TTGL top to bottom, down to the fist fight at the end.

[@Napalmcandy1]

@@Armydillo62o Yep great additions thanks

[@Zakjuh]

@@Armydillo62o But I didn't get to make a drill using my unbreakable spirit (and blood) :(

[@starseekernate7244]

I would love if solution 9 was a mix of both shards and the digital would idea. I think that right before the 12th, the lightning aspected shard, the shard that was rejoined during the 2nd calamity, was rejoined, the maiden created a digitalscape on a digital ark. You can of course enter this digitalscape through the door. She could only save so many people, however in order to save as many people as possible, solution 9 was created. When you enter solution 9, your souls digitize with the main reason being to avoid you from being rejoined with your source counterpart. So when the 2nd rejoining was about to occur, the maiden rallied as many people as possible and got them into solution 9, and ferried those now digital souls to the source, with solution 9 being an ark.

[@kncotton85]

Final fantasy 8 by way of Evangelion: Gendo Ikari (played by Robin Williams) and his wife Lilith train some eventually amnesiac orphans to be able to defeat Rei's great-times-100 granddaughter, who wants to commit 3rd Impact & Instrumentality at the same time, thus dividing all of existence by zero. Squall=Shinji but with existential angst & an inability to be emotionally open to others instead of having a nervous breakdown from all the pressure being heaped upon him. Kaworu still has a fixation on Shinji, but less creepy. Think Pokémon, Ash vs Gary.

[@Meowlo]

I listened on apple podcasts but came back to see the trailer react with video. My big question is.......how long is Erenveld (sp???) gonna be carrying that gleaner backpack. Forever???? This was such a fun listen! I can't wait to watch y'all go through Dawntrail in a couple weeks! 🍹🌴

[@Amovetv]

Ah hell yea. Thanks for coming over from the audio version. This was a real fun unplanned part of the show.

[@patyos2]

I love puzzle solving dungeons played a lot of Zelda and Dungeons and Dragons Online MMO back in the day and having multiple routes, puzzles and secrets to find making variant dungeons the best kind of dungeon

[@tbeshers]

My tinfoil hat theory.... Venat made a comment about stepping down as Azem for our WoL Azem version, because we were better suited to the role. What if instead of just being a traveler of geography, we are a master of time travel. Maybe this is the point in time where we learn how to time travel at will. My ultimate theory is that we live out our days as the WoL, then travel back to Amarout and become the Azem that Vanat steps down for. What I would LOVE to see (because I am not done with the ancients/ascians) is that for the next few expacs we meet, help and befriend the remaining ascians. Maybe we get ahold of those memory crystals of the 14 that we left with Elidibus. THEN the next big bad comes (maybe things begin to unravel after Zodiark and Hydalyn are gone), and we need to reunify the original Convocation of 14 to help us fix the problem. Instead of fighting them, we have to figure out how to unite them in time and space to figure things out. Last crazy theory that has been bugging me for awhile. When the Final Days occurred in our time, everyone said they heard a noise UNDER the earth, then things started falling apart. I don't think that was Meition's doing,. I think whatever made that sound changed the aether so she COULD do her worst. What if that is some crazy Labraha invention that claws its way out of the earth (leaving gouge marks on mountains in Tural?), and that's what we need the Convocation of 14 to help us fight in 8-10 years time. OK, I need to go freshen up my tinfoil hat. It's kind of dented now.

[@Makkle4000]

Wow what a line up!

[@vazzaroth]

BTW it's not just Sailer Moon, it's a general henshin shojo storyline vibe. My wife and I watch Pre-cure in Japanese and also noticed that it was basically just a new Pre-cure season, one of the good ones that's for the older kids and not the toddler trash seasons lol

[@marcieconrad9413]

Omg! We NEED a video comparing Endwalker to Sailor Moon! Please! 😆

[@Rakka5]

Dear Garrett/Kyle, can we request a timeline tagging for the Launch trailer viewing/discussion, since a lot of us want to avoid it until release? Much appreciated

[@Amovetv]

Should already have a timestamp. Added it an hour ago.

[@Rakka5]

@@Amovetv Can't see it yet on my end, but youtube is slow. Thank you!

[@daasnahk5058]

1h20min to 2h mark in case it doesnt load​@@Rakka5

[@Amovetv]

It's showing up in the description. But you're right I'm not seeing it in the timeline. Anyway: 01:20:32 - Trailer Reacts

[@woyogoyo3639]

I’m not putting any weight on that last trailer line ‘til I see it in game. I still remember how everyone was freaking out about the last line in the EW launch trailer, and that turned out to be literally nothing.

[@bssL25]

I didn’t know Yojimbo had a magic number 😂. I thought there was like a formula you had to follow to use Zanmato.

[@XenoVT]

The yellow pice inside the hourglass in the launch trailer looks a lot like The Marker from Deadspace, I hope we get some really cool twisted Deadspace weirdness with that 😂

[@Norbert_Sattler]

That thing they fight in the trailer, with the wings and long neck looks quite a bit like a greater demon of Tzeench from Warhammer 40K. And the flying things are a bit like Dark Eldar on those spiked hover boards. Warhammer 40K crossover! :P For the Endwalker = Sailor Moon video, have Emet throw an Elips flower instead of a rose. It's right there! :D I think that'd be a great 1st April project.

[@fayte0618]

The digital preservation and facade theory matches with the plot of FF9 (which this expansion is heavily inspired from) which was all about an elder race preserving themselves in an ark and manipulating the people to kill themselves so they can all be revived and take the world.

[@HotaruGlaive]

I kind of hope that's not the plot because it is way too similar to the ascian plot. Hopefully they put some twist on it if so. That said, most FF games have very similar plots with a different story to explain it.

[@ouromov2895]

​@@HotaruGlaive Whenever they do their own original stories they are great. I dont mind ff references, but Id hope they would stand on their own legs more.

[@Deode-d4h]

Wait a minute. Is the reason Brandihild looks the way he does is a foreshadowing to what Jesse said about his theory for the Golden Gate/Solution 9? If Brandihild was foreshadowing that, these devs are actually insane in the best way possible.

[@DanielWalker-jo2kr]

I've a horrible feeling Blue Mage will get a sudden out-of-the-blue relevance in this expansion. We are travelling to the land of Blue Magery, after all? I suspect Pictomancer and Viper are deflections. It'll be one of those whole sniggering "remember that class you totally neglected and decided wasn't an actual job... You're all going to have to do it!"

[@hackysax0079]

Kyle is an overlay pro

[@woyogoyo3639]

There is no war in Tuliyollal.

[@XenosFFBE]

GG!!!!! PREACH!!!! OKAYMAGE!!!! JC!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥

[@katarh]

"Everyone wants to watch to watch you play but only if THEY'VE played it" - This is absolutely true, at this point the only XIV streamer I'm watching is Caffeinated Dad XD I know it's safe!

[@Deode-d4h]

I have never been more excited to play FF8 to 10. I have FF9 on the switch, but couldn't get into it, but I'll definitely play it after P5R.

[@annali7189]

57:18 Yeah I know what you mean. Sadly, I learned from Reddit that you should be following Y'shtola because she can see the aether. 😂

[@FeydenAR]

Oh God! Preach's hypothesis of Tulliyolal being the fake landscape and being the simulation instade of the golden city and everything vanishing leaving a desolate landscape mid-game is MIND BLOWING! Let's see how the game subverts my expectations with this idea in my mind, haha.

[@JamesNicholl]

Something about this mixed with the Matrix idea makes it feel very Zanarkand / Dream of the Fayth-ey

[@2powerstar]

My outstanding question for plot is Gelmorea, its been since 1.0

[@Shindashi]

Wow this is more hilarious than expected.

[@Prottoy959]

Unukalhai is a literal star, bros! Visible in the sky and fairly close to the solar system. It's an Arabic name like many major stars. Aldebaran and Alnilam being the major examples.

[@ExileTwilight]

1:47:00 I can't follow this logic. What? I'm with Jesse.. xD

[@Deakore]

Ah yes asking yoshi p about the financial furniture of ffxiv

[@Tonkotsu2k10]

@1:27:00 Dang jessie spot on yo

[@keelhaulsthingsthatdontmatter]

Garrett is 1000% correct about the city leaders. I'm so exhausted by Ul'dah stories.

[@davidcollins9213]

it just realized. FF14 is basically One Piece with a Final Fantasy skin.

[@SarahExpereinceRequiem]

Unukalhai is the name of a star, also known as α Serpentis. The name Unukalhai was borrowed from عنق الحيّة (ʽunuq al-ḥayyah, the seroebt's neck)

[@michaeltoy1813]

1:11:45 - theory crafting

[@solidshepard7812]

43:53 Twinning!

[@mythic_ael]

Solution 9 is the TVA XD

[@DanielWalker-jo2kr]

Does anyone in their right minds run a FFXIV dungeon before there's a MTQcapture video for it? MTQcapture is definitely "first in, last out"!

[@russellgill5376]

Ff8 is indeed my favorite

[@DontGiveUp_Skeleton]

Alphinaud is totally done for. Why else do you think Colin Ryan started streaming, and all his Friends are like "I really want to do it to, but you know, I have to work instead".

[@TaurusVersant]

shadowbringers is technically an isekai if you think about it

[@Ozara13]

2:38:30 no i meant my desire to see GG do a full kh playthrough! >.

[@TheSteveSchulz]

I'm with Kyle. It's Westworld.

[@Kritigri]

If you had to kill one of the twins… Alphinaud. I love him but Alisae is clearly a character who deals with anger a lot, and it migh5 actually make for an interesting arc if we dealt with Alisae going down some sort of vengeance path. As for Alphie’s character development… idk man I feel like we’ve had fully developed Alphinaud for a while. I’d bawl though. 2:10:33

[@tetedekiwi]

With that Solution 9 theory with the digital world, i'm pretty sure it's not for nothing that the new class is a nod to Sword Art Online as Kirito

[@Thavleifrim]

im glad guests were here to tell them its fine to watch the launch trailer, chat gets way too cringey about spoiler guarding some times.

[@Amovetv]

Honestly folks have been really chill about whether we watch or don't watch the launch trailer. I've appreciated it.

[@Thavleifrim]

@@Amovetv fair, I missed it live so i didn't see live comments but i've seen it get real bad in other chats and assumed you might be simmilar.

[@donimmortal7692]

1:47:07 Kyle Savage.

[@Jordonzo]

51:17 blm mains watching yoshi-P play be like XD

[@chilidaemon7113]

More like Fantasy Island than Tron

[@kymmico]

X-2 IS awesome with the job system - BUT Preach is gonna HATE it because of the unskippable cinematic that goes with it. Jus sayin

[@dndamn]

You can turn the cinematics for the dress changes off