Day 1 - SCEA Rescue Horse - Round Pen Training

Second Chance Equine Association - Day 1 of the video series documenting the training progress of a 2 yr old philly rescued from neglect by SCEA. "Fancy", as we like to call her, came to us malnourished, dehydrated, suffering from parasitic worms, and severe rain-rot. She has a sweet disposition, but is extremely fearful of people.

[@kansascowboy5721]

Good to see this horse getting the proper training and care she needs and deserves I don't understand how anyone can watch this video and give it a thumbs down!!!! Great work!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

I'm glad to be of service. Good luck with your project, it's a noble cause.

[@Tonka1042]

Love how basic and simple this video is. Nice and to the point with out over stating / over complicating things. I look forward to your other video's.

[@RiahnaHanson]

Thanks so much for these wonderful videos. They have taught me so much. :)

[@royalmichaels7586]

These videos are fantastic! Got in a little over my head with a sassy little mini filly. Brought her home in a two horse trailer... she kicked out every window and the first day she got thru three fences and we had to remove parts of the fence to get her back in. We gave her time to get used to her surroundings and calm down. Yesterday was our first round pen training. I got her to move her feet always going in the direction I asked. Several times she put her head down and I even got her eyes a couple of times tho she hasn't put it together yet, this is a huge step for us. Afterwards she was very calm. Thank you!!

[@MissMissJana]

She is BEAUTIFUL!

[@gemmahorselover2007]

ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!! You are just like me. Speak to them as if they are a human and make funny remarks/jokes even when they do something that you werent asking of them. Especially love the eries of videos you have made of Fancy's progress from being rescued. I recently bought a supposed "all singing all dancing 5 year old". Turns out I cant even catch the little bugger let alone try her out. She seems very fearful of people coming near or towards her, and is scared of letting folks touch her, especially around the head area. Your videos have inspired me to repeat your work and do what you have done to Fancy but with my mare. Rescues should not be given up on and I salute you for everything you do for these damaged equines. Look forward to many more of your videos!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Lisa, you are very astute. Here is the beginning of our communication and cues with the horse. You can make your cues anything that is intuitive for you to communicate to your horse. I find that movement and sound helps me catch the horse's eye. It's only natural for me to beckon with my finger to come here. The whistle is to catch her attention if she is not looking at me. When I give any type of treat or just feed I will reinforce that cue with a whistle and beckon. Body posture falls into 2 categories. Passive or predatorial. To take pressure away relax your body to add pressure to drive the horse add height to your body. It's pretty a simple concept which I think you've got. As you move forward with your training your body language can get more and more refined and let dramatic as I am here. Good luck.

[@lisatuttle9625]

First day went well. Second day not as good as the first. She wouldn't look at me when she stopped but other than that not bad. The 3RD day was BAD. She was in a bad mood ears almost flat on her head. She was really bucking and kicking up a storm this day for the very first time ever. Then she decided that she was going to make me move my feet by charging at me. I have to admit she made me move, unfortunately. I believe she is a dominate mare and she was telling me that she was the boss when she charged me. What should I do when she isn't a happy camper and does this bad behavior? I am extremely new to horsemanship (3 months). In saying that do you think paying a trainer (who knows much more than I do) would be worth it or should it be the owner so the horse respects and behaves for me? Also I would like to buy your tapes but haven't had much luck when I went to the SCEA web page. Thanks. Lisa

[@thenakedhorseman4123]

Someone must have had a muscle spasm when they tried to hit the like button. Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

I really really like hearing that!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Fancy has blossomed into a wonderful partner. She is extremely soft and kind. To think nobody wanted her. There is always work to be done at Second Chance.Grooming, moving hay, working with horses or just mowing grass.Give Bryce a call and tell him you want to volunteer to help out. Thanks for your interest, maybe we'll meet some day.

[@UWunicornwalker]

thanks so much for this video! I have had a lot of issues with 'fresh' horses who know nothing about lunging or roundpen work. I do appreciate that so many trainers post free videos on youTube and on their sites, but not many have examples of working with 'fresh horses', it is always a horse they have worked with before and they always jump right into telling you where the pressure points are and what you need to do to get them to turn toward you but they never show the process of the horse 'learning' what you want them to do. Many trainers make it sound like it is a built in horse feature which I have found that it really isn't. Thanks so much! I think this will help me, especially with a mare that I have been having issues with because she is skidish and submissive already!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Thank you. Clinton Anderson, Larry Trocha, Rick gore and Gerry Cox are others who have videos online that are very informative, much more than mine.

[@lisatuttle9625]

Thank you Scott. Her first day went good. Your videis are helping me and my horse. On to the next one. :)

[@sgracebr]

It looks a lot like Clinton Anderson training. Love it!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Fancy took almost one hour. Some hoses give it up in 5 minutes it all depends on the horse.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Thank you.

[@EVallone]

Came looking to learn and I sure did! Thanks.

[@Julia16nhs]

THIS IS AMAZING!

[@LittlePaso17]

I really really really love what you do and how you work with this horse! :D

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@haylleeecopter Fancy was the same age when she came to us with big fear issues. That's not too early to start groundwork. Wait til she is at least 2 years old to ride her. It's never too early to teach manners, just keep it on the ground. Have fun.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@SurinderBarrelRacer Yes, you can do everything on the lead line. The round pen is where I like to start because I feel the horse is making all the decisions without any out side means (like a halter or lead) that it could view as pressure. The greatest bond is going to be mental. Horse-MIND-ship. The principles still work. Move it's feet. Have at it.

[@todddowns]

Very well done.

[@jeannieelliott9703]

Awww! So sweet!

[@gotawhitehorse]

I wish I could understand what you're saying! I have a rescue mare of my own who had came to me having had been burned, whipped with barbed wire and starved before abandoned. She is so scared of humans AND other horses but my mare is very smart. I was able to saddle break her in a month. She is so calm and gentle! Please, put closed captions or subs on! The youtube CC's are HORRIBLE.

[@ChoctawNawtic4]

God bless you guys. You should put up a link so people can donate!

[@Donna-vh5ym]

Great job. Watch all your video's. I see you haven't done any new ones in a long time. I really wish you would.

[@mrussell3264]

Great video :) I've got a rescue horse, had him for 6 weeks now, an untouched 4 yr old, very spooky, couldn't get near him to start with, I've now got a head collar on and he's just learning to lead, I had to do a join up get his trust so I could move him to a safer place, he's come on so far in the 6 weeks but his hoofs are so overgrown, do you have any advice on how to start picking up his feet without getting my head kicked in? I never planned to get a horse but couldn't leave him, I'm enjoying the time on the ground and don't care if I never ride him but I do need to get him rugged and his feet done asap, I've just started taking him into a stable during the day to get him used to it in the hope he can be inside for winter as I live in Scotland and he's not built for the cold, he's a 15'3 half TB X 1/4 hanavarian 1/4 cob, before I bought him he'd been left in the field for 4 year with no human contact so he's come a long way, I would appreciate any advice you could offer, thank you.

[@GerryCoxHorsemanship]

Good clips Dude... I watched almost all of them...

[@GerryCoxHorsemanship]

@gcoxalaska I carry a pre-printed 3x5 in my pocket and give one out to all my students as a pilots checklist. I was a bit embarrassed a couple of times to tell people but heard CLINTON had used one at Road to the Horse, so Good enough for a Master, good enough for me... You sure do good work..

[@Donna-vh5ym]

Miss ya on KZbin Scott Downs.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Well it should, I spent a lot of time and money learning it from him.

[@xxhorsecrazzyxx]

Ammaaaziiinggg.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

I don't think the commands are too slow, they could have be more distinct. I was a bit sloppy with my step in front of the drive line, having said that, she was very sensitive. My pressure was where it should have been for her. This was not a training video, it was to document her progress. You do "hyper focus". Thanks for your input.

[@kumarsatendra2011]

i am happy ''exact moving''

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@MissMissJana Thank you.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Age makes no difference, (30 mins) sounds like he is a willing partner just in need of some leadership and direction. Round penning is extremely important because we are MENTALLY binding the horse to us. You need to n ow get him to follow or draw to you. Day 2 video. Once this is established you don't need to do daily but you can if you and your horse enjoy it. It cements the role of leadership which is the foundation for learning. I would move on to groundwork after he draws to you.

[@callysto_ii]

thank you so much for putting this video, but i was just wondering can you do that with every horses? I mean the one with "problems"

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@jenmisterpaz Every horse is different but they all respect the leader The easiest way is to do the groundwork. A lot of backing up and changes of direct. Make sure you get the flexing very light before going undersaddle.

[@galloway1992]

Scott I am curious. If I apply pressure in the round pen and I come in front of the drive line, my horse turns to the outside doesn't come into me to turn unless, I step behind the drive line looking at the hips for the head. 'Cause you said the more you go toward the hips the more head you receive. My horse is great with disengaging the hind quarters, good at backing up etc. I will keep working with her especially when the weather get warmer, the ground is frozen right now.

[@Sunlight24101]

Thanks Alot, ill google straight away, thanks heaps :D

[@lisatuttle9625]

Here are a couple of suttle things I noticed and I want to make sure I am understanding them correctly. I notice you whistling. Is this to get their attention focused on you before you get her to change direction? Also I notice you kind of bowed down when you want her to come in on you? Does the bowing let them know the difference between asking them to stand still or wanting them to come into you? And I notice you beckoning her in with your fingers also. Does this help them to know the difference between them standing still and coming in on you also? I am new to the horse world and want to establish the respect and bond with my new horse and I think these videos will do wonderful. I also think these videos will save a lot of horses because it will teach people how to get their horse under control so many less horses will end up in shelters. Thank you for posting these. :)

[@HorseNAround55]

Hi Scott, I found your videos tonight and are hoping it will help with my rescue mare. She was about a 1 on the starvation scale when I got her back in beginning of March and totally untouched (shes about 10 yrs). We were doing pretty good but recently all went south with her. I would love to have some advice as to how to fix what is happening

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@haylleeecopter Fancy was 2 years old when I started her to ride and I taught her ground work at a year and a half. Don't ride her before she is at least 2 years. Groundwork is fine at any age just remember the younger they are the quicker they tire and less attention span they have.

[@Sunlight24101]

Hey Scott, I was wandering if you have any videos of teaching a horse to go straight why riding, my horse tends to think he cant do it, he also tends to lean in heavily on circles when i'm riding. Do you have any videos or recommendations on what to do?

[@janethynes4002]

Enjoyed the video! I worked with my 5 year old 'green' horse in the round ring. He continued to run even when I took the pressure off (took my eyes off, bowed my head). What did I do wrong? How long does "Day 1" training typically last, as my horse cantered/trotted for nearly 45 mins before any signs of submission.

[@SurinderBarrelRacer]

Hi! Thank you so much for putting up all these videos on your progress with Fancy! I'm going to start working on this with my horse over Spring break, and from then on!(: I do have one question though... I don't have access to a round pen, but I do have access to an arena. So can I do all of this that your doing with Fancy in the round pen... without a round pen? Thank you!(:

[@liquidatom]

What song are you using as your entrance music? Great videos btw.

[@MisterOutrageouz]

Hey Scott, What should i do if my horse isn't turning to the inside? I back off on the pressure and try to get his two eyes but instead he turns his rump towards me and changes directions

[@SecondChanceEquine]

+MisterOutrageouz Most likely you're putting too much pressure on the horse. Go to this link and watch Gerry Cox. He shows what to do much better than I do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX7UlJ6InNyHjrM

[@Donna-vh5ym]

@@SecondChanceEquine // but want more from you too. Pleeease!!!

[@SecondChanceEquine]

There is a exercise called the cloverleaf that does a good job of teaching a horse to ride straight. You can google it. The only thing I do different is I change up which direction I take to make the leaf. I ride to the fence and wait for the horse to choose a direction and then I choose the opposite. This way the horse stops trying to make decisions and learns to wait on me. There are plenty of others as well just google.

[@dawn35105]

Scott I enjoyed your video series....always something new to learn. I have roundpenned several horses including my now 9 year old that I handled daily since the day he hit the ground. He is the perfect horse. The round pen has always worked wonders whenever we had 'issues' to settle....... My question is it somewhat normal for some horses to just NOT want to be with humans and come into the middle? We just adopted a 20 something year old mule as a companion for my horse and he is a skittish mess. Have to cut off his escape route every time I want to halter him to turn him out or bring him into the barn. He is not dangerous and doesn't plow over me, but he stands stiff just waiting to pull back and run. I round penned him and even though it was pretty easy to get him to stand and face me with both eyes on countless 'rest periods', he would not come any closer than the edge of the fence. We worked for about 45 minutes and made little to no progress. All the others came right in within a short time of working with them....but this boy has no interest at all. Any other suggestions? Oh and treats......will only occasionally take them. No way to win this boys' heart or trust :(

[@SecondChanceEquine]

+Dawn Gemme This sounds like a trust issue which will take a bit of patience and a few more little steps. Once the mule understands the point and the cluck and you can get him to consistently change direction ( get him to do figure 8's ) we can move on to the next step. So now that he stops and turns into you simply walk away to the opposite side of the round pen. This releases even more pressure. Watch his body language, once he relaxes, put your eyes to the ground like you are looking for your lost keys and zig zag your way back to your mule, turning your back to him when you change direction of your walk ( do not walk directly up to him) . With the back of your hand see if you can touch his muzzle. If you can just touch it lightly and immediately walk back across the round pen releasing all pressure again. Repeat the process until you can approach and not only touch but rub his face. Once you have accomplished this step with consistency we can move on to the next small step. Send the mule off, ask him to make a couple circles, then ask him to come in. Even if he doesn't come in but only stops and allows you to approach we can work from there. Look at and start to walk toward the hip. Hopefully he will take one step with his front hoof toward you. If that is all you can get to start, be happy. Rub his face and make him feel good. Maybe you can get him to take more than one step and follow you around in a spiral, if so start with a small spiral and walk it into a larger spiral having him follow you. Stop and reward him with loving on his face. Once you have him moving, try changing direction. One side note: After you are sure the mule understands what you want, don't let him associate rest with standing looking at you as the reward. Give him the option of coming in and resting or going back to work. It has to be his choice. I hope this helps. Be safe, good luck.

[@dawn35105]

+Scott Downs Thank you ever so much for your detailed and helpful suggestion. Can't tell you how much I appreciate your time. You can bet I will try it. I sincerely don't want to give up on him but I just don't know if there is any hope for him. His former owners of 10 years until 2 weeks ago hinted that he has always been 'hard to catch". As skittish as he is I can't imagine anyone riding him as they said they did until 4 years ago. He is always extremely tense and ready to run but 'for the most part' as long as I move my horse first inside or outside, I can pretty much walk up to him and halter him because he knows he is following Desi. When I remove the rope halter I slip it down around his neck so he knows he can't bolt off from me. And I make sure I am the first to turn to leave......but the second that halter is off his skin is is flying away. In Arizona we have open barns, and when he sees me even approaching he walks out of the stall into the run to be as far away as he can. To be honest I was just looking for a companion for Desi.....not a huge project horse. But I am the type that is tenacious and rarely gives up. Hoping I can make life a bit more pleasant and less stressful for both of us :) A very sincere thank you again.......

[@occfilms]

I have now watched almost your entire series on Fancy. It is wonderful, great job! I just got an almost 2 year old filly and quickly learned that she is afraid of pretty much everything, and very skittish. She is extremely afraid of leadropes, lungelines and whips. Knowing that now, do you have any suggestions as to how I can begin round Pen Training, or should I start with another step first. I have been grooming her and doing my best to rub her down with a rolled up lead rope while grooming her, but she backs up while I do this, and it takes a long time for her to stop backing up. This has not helped to desensitize her at all. She already follows me, but has not joined up in the way I would like her to. Any help would be appreciated. I'm not sure I could hold her to simply jump into desensitizing her to a swinging lunge line. She might bolt!

[@todddowns]

When I start a horse I like to start in the round pen however you don't have too. You can start with groundwork with a halter and lead. The same principles apply 1. find a starting point that your horse can handle. 2. horses learn on the RELEASE of pressure. 3. reward the slightest try, one step, a small nod etc. just let the horse know they are on the right track to figuring out what your asking them. 4. the first one to move their feet is the loser. We are always teaching our horses something, even if we aren't aware of it. For example you said when you rub her with the lead rope she moves backward to avoid you rubbing her with that deadly snake of a rope, right? Well, if you stop rubbing her while she is backing up you're teaching her all she needs to do to get you to stop rubbing on her is to back up. If you keep rubbing her until she stops and relaxes, she learns to trust you and to relax when scary things happen and they go away :) I don't have many videos online but there are a lot of good trainers out there. I would buy the fundamentals kit from Clinton Anderson if you're serious about training our horse. Also, I like a guy in Washington state named Gerry Cox who posts a tremendous amount of videos online for free. Here is a link to one of them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqa3mJeVlMaXr6M Check him out. Good luck.

[@occfilms]

Todd Downs Thank you, that helps a lot!

[@goozmooshak]

Great video...where are you located at?

[@92stopmotionman]

What about when you dont have access to a round pen? Im having trouble getting direction changes with a rope, and she always gets away from me.

[@GerryCoxHorsemanship]

Hey, what's tat on your left forearm? You pilots CheckList? Us oldtimers need notes so we know what to do next!

[@JazzRocks100]

Beautiful horse, I undrstand why her name is Fancy! I have a couple questions, what are you using to move her that is currently in your right hand? And how big is your round pen?

[@TheKimigirl2010]

how often should I do round pen training? I am working with a 19 yo gelding that is very pushy and has no ground manners. I watched this video and we spent 30 minutes in the round pen on sat. At first, he ran like crazy around the pen. After seeing that it did not phase me, he calmed down and followed pointing direction and turning to face me with every stop! How often should I or can I use this as part of our work together?

[@MinockerSpanichle]

How big is the round pen?

[@andy55arias]

👍👍

[@LalaDogAdventureBlog]

Fancy seems to fancy you 💛 A couple questions: how did you treat her parasitic load, with a PowerPac? What size round pen do you prefer? How do you get the horse to turn into you to change directions rather than turning to the outside (if in a round pen, free run not on lunge line)?

[@SecondChanceEquine]

The parasitic issue was handled by the vet. I didn't start working with her until the medical issues were resolved. The diameter of the round pen I use is 40 to 50 feet. That's about thirteen 12 ft panels. Getting the horse to turn into you is the tricky part. Its instinct tells it to turn away. The mechanics is this. Take 1 step in front of the driveline and hustle backward in order to release the pressure of your body position. Thus giving the horse the space and freedom to turn in and look at you. Once the nose of the horse is tipped into you, a space is created between the horse's shoulder and the fence. If you throw energy or pressure into this space, it will move the horse the other direction. The key is to get the horse to face up before asking it to change directions. Watch the video again. When the horse looks at me, I reward that behavior by quickly taking ALL pressure away and walking away. Soon the horse understands that if she faces me, I go away. At that point I can proceed to move her by putting the energy wave into the space I created with the face up. I hope this helps.

[@Little-tee]

i dont have a round pen can i still do it ?

[@galloway1992]

I like you're methods more though Scott Downs. I have a 1yr 8mo Quarab. I built a round pen, but before when I was training her I didn't have one, and all I used was a long rope attached to halter. I am having some difficult times getting her to come in and then turn out, she keeps turning around with her butt facing me. Am I not taking enough pressure off her to get her to come in and then turn like you're doing with Fancy here? I see you back up quite a lot to bring her in towards you. When my girl is on the line I can drop my hand down and tug a bit as I back up and she'll come in that way and turn great.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

+Monique Galloway Here is a video by Gerry Cox that does a better job of demonstrating what you need to do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ25h4Vobpx3qrM

[@galloway1992]

I think I may have needed to back off more then what I was doing. Question though, I notice as soon as you back up and she moves in to look at you, you send her off in the other direction. I have been training mine for 14min a day for 2 days, but when I back up and she comes in she gives me 2 eyes and I just let her rest for 2 minutes, I am just trying to teach her right now that when I back up that she learns to come in then later as soon as she comes in and I see 2 eyes I will send her off in the other direction. Is that a good idea? So far she is doing good, or at least from what I can tell. Her and I are both learning :)

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Ultimately, we want the horse to draw into us. Backing up serves as a release of pressure which in turn is a reward for the horse. Once Fancy understands she can get rewarded by drawing into me I can move on to teaching her to move out as well by giving her the cue and placing pressure on her. We want the horse to understand what we are asking for, wether its come here or go away. In the beginning teaching stage, which this is, we need to take what we can get from the horse'e perspective. I'm happy with 2 eyes and standing...for now.

[@galloway1992]

Yeah that is what I am doing with her right now and so far she is doing great!! I love her and thank you so much for getting back to me on this!

[@GoldenLioness100]

hehe, me again. Can this be done in a normal arena, one thats about 20m x 60m if you don't have access to a round pen?

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Each horse is going to be different. Fancy was VERY reactive and I had no problem moving her into a canter. Other horses may be the opposite and you will need to get after them to move into a canter. The larger the area you work in makes it more difficult to put pressure on the horse (if needed) and will greatly determine the amount of work you are putting on your self. Having said that, you can create a round pen anywhere there is good footing. The idea of the round pen is to create a easy flow of direction and eliminate any corner that the horse can get stuck in. I work in a 40 foot diameter.

[@joencindy2004]

How long does one of your sessions in the round pen last?

[@charlottebakker3160]

Hey Scott, I'm training a horse but we don't have a round pen. He always runs away when I put more pressure on him. What should I do?

[@SecondChanceEquine]

If I were a horse I would run away from pressure too. That is why the round pen is so great. The horse can exercise its natural instinct to move away form pressure but it puts you in control of the situation. You can set up a round pen using various objects like a ribbon fence or inside an arena by blocking of a portion of the wall. What ever you do try not to have any corners where the horse can get stuck in. Make it round. Good luck.

[@charlottebakker3160]

Thank you

[@genniferlendahl-gonzales1691]

Scott - I just got a 17yr old rescue. She was wild for 15yrs and has been under saddle for two. She is terrified of everything. I moved her to a new barn and couldn't calm her down so I took her back to the rescue where I'm boarding her now. I thought I could bond with her there and then move her once she gets used to me. She loves human affection but has no trust. Do you think at 17 she can overcome this? I took her on a trail ride on New Years and she bolted after another horse ran up to us.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Yes there is hope for her. Horses can't count. They do not know how old they are. They live in the moment, therefore they will figure out what works for them right now. Of course being 17 years old you can bet she been around a block or 2. The real question is, do you know how to gain it's respect? Treats will not do it. The ability to move her feet is the first step (no pun intended) to establishing leadership. Desensitization exercises will build the trust.

[@jeffreyhoskins8955]

Watch David Lee archer or Clinton anderson you can learn to be a leader that your horse will trust

[@GerryCoxHorsemanship]

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[@benriches4723]

Hi I just saw your video today but I was wondering I have a 7 month filly and every time I walk up to her or touch her anywhere she will pin her ears and try to bite she doesn't kick or strike at me she only bites I've round penned her and she turns in okay and turns the other direction good but every time I touch her she pins her ears what would you do

[@SecondChanceEquine]

This is clearly a lack of respect on the part of your horse. How do you gain respect from a horse? Move it's feet. You seem to be half way there because the horse understands what you're asking, however it is not doing it willingly. The horse needs to put together the idea that is better to be with you than not. You will need to up your game a level or 2. Really hustle the horses feet. Lope the horse off and get a consistent change of direction with the turn to the inside. If the horse pins its ears at any time you are asking it to move take your pressure up a another notch so the horse understands without a doubt that you will not tolerate that attitude or behavior. The message has to be black & white. Do this until the ear pinning stops. Ask the horse to come in. If it pins its ears or tries to bite, send it off immediately and repeat the process. Do this until the horse understands that its easier to join up with you than run around the pen. This is an easy fix if you do it correctly. Good luck.

[@benriches4723]

Scott Downs ok thank you I was wondering how big does a round pen have to be to be an efficient tool that you use

[@pamelita4660]

es muy bueno, por favor faltan subtítulos en español, saludos...!!

[@cowgirl031492]

Hi scott I am working with a 9 year old gelding named midnight. He is the alfa male here at the stables and when I round pen him I end up working harder than him. He trots well and does good with direction change but, he does not show any desire to come to the center with me and unless I practically chase after him the only speed he will go is a trot. no faster however, out of the round pen and in a saddle he is fast as lightning and hard to slow down. Any tips for me I would greatly appreceate it thanks.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Fancy was a very reactive young horse and it didn't take much to get her to move off. Your guy is older, has been around awhile and is a bit defiant. Step 1 point, cluck and really get after him with the stick and string. As so as he gets to a canter back off the pressure. If he breaks gait when you take the pressure off him, go right back after him. (Yes, you will work harder than him until he gets it). Once you establish in the horse's mind that you can indeed control his feet by making him canter you can work on turning him and getting him to come into you. Here is a link that might help you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ25h4Vobpx3qrM

[@cowgirl031492]

Oh great thank you so much for replying to my message

[@SecondChanceEquine]

New Stanton PA

[@cowgirl1975alberta]

Hi Scott, I would like to know how long do you work with Fancy in total on day 1, we see only 8 min, do you work more then that ? and how long can we work on a regular horse at the time ? I have a pregnant mare can I work with her and ask her to round ? She is so pretty :)

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Each horse is going to be different according to it's temperament. I worked with Fancy for about 30 minutes maybe a little more the first day. The second day was about half the amount of time. You most likely could work your mare depending on how far along she is and how skiddish she would become. Don't do anything that would drive her over the fence and hurt her. Thank you, I thinks she pretty cute as well.

[@karencrouch5895]

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[@SecondChanceEquine]

@liquidatom We created it digitally. Thanks

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Start lunging her one direction and then ask her to stop and look at you. Then change hands with the rope and send her off the other direction. Do this until she really gets it. After that try asking her to change direction on the fly. I believe I have a video showing that.1 Lunge her, 2 disengage her hindquarters, 3 change hands, 4 send her off in the other direction. Good luck.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

I'll need a bit more information before I can help. If you go to secondchanceequine . com and send me an email with your contact info we can talk. FYI: If you are located near Pittsburgh PA I am holding a clinic May 24-26 to teach the method.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

Cantering the horse speeds up the process but 45 mins is not uncommon.

[@SecondChanceEquine]

@gcoxalaska That's exactly what it is. It was a training tool I developed it for Clinton Anderson to go along with his training DVDs. It's able to hold 3 cards of notes for beginners in the method. It didn't test out well with the public but I find it helpful to keep me on point. It's like a quarterback cuff.

[@hyperfocus2011]

Your commands are too slow... She doesn't get she is aloud to come in fast enough