Daystate Alpha wolf blue edition overview (sub12 spec)

[@mrmactknife]

I was amazed when the chrony in the shroud was mentioned, airgun tech has come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. Couple that with the pinpoint accuracy, and you've got a stellar rifle, nice work Daystate.

[@sub12airgunners]

yes the chrony in the shroud is a very useful tool 😀 thanks for watching

[@tonyrebelo3038]

It was a pleasure watching you shoot this on Saturday Jake, and you're right, they look so much better in the 'flesh'. Those are some excellent results 'out the box' considering you've only tried two pellet types, and the rilfe is new to you. My own Pulsar is a genuine laser, and it's nice to see it's spiritual successor, the Delta Wolf continuing the trend, and pushing the envelope further. In my opinion, this is the action that should be sitting in the GP stock, providing that all important velocity tuning. Great video as usual Jake, and looking forward to your journey with this one 😊

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks mate, and yes the A/W board in a Redwolf so you get all the programming in the GP stock that would be a nice gun 😀

[@jeffmccall8013]

What a nice looking rifle. I've avoided considering an electronic rifle thus far but could be seriously pursauded by your recommendation. 🙂👍

[@sub12airgunners]

lots of people don't like them as i didn't, until i got one i love them now electronic rifles have so many advantages 😀

[@ewan53]

I am very impressed with the out of the box accuracy and your presentation of the rifle. The electronics have been available for a few years now and I haven't heard of any issues. It definitely looks a cracking piece of kit.

[@sub12airgunners]

thank you, the electronics have proven to be very reliable on all these guns

[@mrdellski]

As a happy Alpha Wolf owner (16 months in, also from CSS), will be watching your thoughts on your new AW keenly as your time goes on. Blue one is a beautiful looking bit of kit, congrats on your stunning latest thing!

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching, they really are a stunning gun 😀

[@mrdellski]

Agree, love my red one (although that blue is lovely) and is my go-to even after all these months. PRS kit is fantastic, however not too sure on the new rotary single shot loader. Have one, but think I prefer the original flip out type. Looking forward to the content in the near future on the AW. Cheers. @@sub12airgunners

[@geraldwatson8594]

Absolutely superb Jeff. Enjoy.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😀

[@petemason57]

Very nice review. Really like this rifle and it looks better in blue not red. also the Brocock Ghost (Daystate sister company). Had to laugh as I am late 60s and my first rifle cost me a whacking £35 lol now these rifles are well over £2,000. To start out now could cost £4k so not a cheap hobby. Plus clubs around here only open Wednesday evening and Sunday morning pity there are not a few more followers. Would be nice to have a shoot in Florida there laws are more relaxed than ours. Tale care happy shooting and nice video.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👍😀

[@rapidgonemad]

Be good to see the computer setup vid and an indepth accuracy test after it is run in properly if its good now it should get better with a couple of tins of pellets through it this is the best channel on here in my opinion well done mate

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks very much 😀 yes we are going to try to do a bit with the programming 👍

[@lisawood516]

Looks great, thanks for the overview.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😀😀

[@scottcottontx]

Great video. Not trying to be Nancy Negative, I really like my Delta Wolf, but my main issue is Daystate's stinginess. You pay top money for a premium rifle, and then you get to pay more for a usable butt pad and cheek riser. I don't mind paying for a bigger bottle or moderator, those are upgrades. But to pay so much money and not have an adjustable cheek riser and that ridiculous lump of plastic they call a butt pad is just cheap for the sake of being cheap. And if you pay more premium money for a barrel kit to shoot another caliber, you get to pay even more for a magazine. Yep, $625 US for a barrel kit and another $100 for a mag. I love my Delta Wolf, but I think the weird teal moderator isn't the tackiest thing about Daystate. I would be interested to know what pellet weights are pre-loaded in the factory tune settings for the sub-12 rifles. My Delta with updated FAC firmware only gives .177 weights of 13.43 and 15.89 grains. I'm not even sure who makes a 15.89gr pellet. So I just use the advanced settings for everything, works great. And the .30 barrel is an efficient beast. I use the same reg pressure (120 bar) to shoot .177 at 12 fpe from the 23" barrel as the .30 with the 27" barrel at 93 fpe. (Disclaimer, I'm in the states so I'm allowed to turn the amplifier up to 11). I was looking for one rifle that I could use for anything and this is it. Anyway, congrats on getting what is clearly a shooter. I don't have the attention span for benchrest, I've been using my Delta for FT and our Extreme FT (out to 100 yards).

[@sub12airgunners]

I agree FX do this as well not many people will shoot this without a butt pad so you have to buy one to get comfy 🙄

[@ctchsds]

Had a red one when first released. Accurate, but completely devoid of enjoyment when shooting it.

[@sub12airgunners]

each to there own i love shooting mine 👍

[@VagnerBrustulin]

I just bought one, and it would be nice if you could do a video about the electronic setup and settings.

[@sub12airgunners]

we are going to have a go at doing one 😀

[@VagnerBrustulin]

Brilliant mate, I'll be very helpful

[@Marcus1954s]

Glad you’ve found your favourite rifle. Personally I don’t like the idea of electronics. Again you mention a rifle’s single piece main block and this has me interested (at least a long sturdy breech housing to hold more of the barrel securely for a more traditional rifle), or more precisely just creating a precise hole through a long breech block has me bewildered; using either a small lathe (400mm ctc), drill press or borrowed milling machine. Can you suggest how someone in a small workshop would produce a precise 14mm/16mm hole through a solid block of say 250 to 300mm? Thanks.

[@TurkishTinkerer]

Mornings fellas 😎 what a delight this was to see on Saturday morning. Absolutely beautiful rifle.

[@GrahamHenderson25x]

it's Monday in the UK .....

[@muttley5958]

@@GrahamHenderson25x That's what I thought 🤔 😂 😂

[@TurkishTinkerer]

Okay going to clarify. I shoot with these two every Saturday. So I saw it before they put the video up 😂

[@sub12airgunners]

welcome to my world😂😂🤣🤣

[@sub12airgunners]

🤣

[@paulspeller968]

yes sir i have shot my mates one and was mega impressed with the rifle . an absolute joy to shoot . absolutely accurate . the trigger is sublime and for a bull pup the action noise was minimal. no need to fanny about with it straight out the box it was cock on . very easy to program and the fact you can adjust your pellet speed is the icing on the cake was not particularly pellet fussy and made a pretty crappy shot like me look like the american sniper at 50 yards . will it bench i really think so for sure the pro kit is definitely worth the money 👍

[@sub12airgunners]

thank you, yes it is a great gun and a real treat to just go and shoot no mucking around i am very happy 😁

[@PBazBarrett]

Congrats on the new AW, a truly stunning rifle for sure.. Enjoy..

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks mate 😁😁

[@iwanvanderhut4159]

That is you say a beautiful piece of kit, but I'll have to just dream about it. Great review.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😁😁

[@mymodel6]

They are, but just save up man, sell some other stuff you don't need, and buy a Red Wolf, then you can sell all of your other guns because you will not need them :)

[@vernonvvccc9325]

Great gun with out a doubt but would it take being dropped 6 foot up a high seat like my hw 100 bpk did this weekend.with the side lever open I may add.and yes still shot great, day states are to be treasured and why not.

[@sub12airgunners]

yes i would have to agree HW's are bullet proof for sure 👍👍

[@chrisfigueroa3361]

Badass-looking air gun I must say thanks for sharing be safe buddy 👍🏻

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks, it really is a nice gun 😁

[@bashm5767]

Great looking rifle ,specially stock Fantastic accuracy 👍🏼

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks mate 👍👍

[@johndanville6643]

Yes! I've been waiting for a new one.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 👍

[@AlexSanchez-le7bh]

I have both FX AND DAYSTATE = IMPACT M3 and ALPHA WOLF BLUE, keep this on mind one rifle is mechanical the other one is mechanical/electronic which means it has a computer , solenoids, however both need someone capable of thinking , mechanically inclined to work on those guns ,you can add on a lot of accessories so now that we establish the fundamentals let’s not be so dramatic if you can’t get part or extra warranty for you gun , stack up on extra parts most common to fail ( o-rings, trigger, etc) be safe.

[@three-phase562]

That is one good looking rifle and looks to give good performance out of the box. Whilst tempting I do have my eyes out for an Epic 2 which looks like they are close to shipping now.

[@sub12airgunners]

i have to say i am looking hard at them 😁

[@casperboo5465]

Wow that looks and shoots fantastic Jeff, that stock is just stunning Cheers 👌👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks, it really is a nice gun 😁

[@georgeb3383]

Interesting bit of kit. And for once, apparently good straight out of the box, something quite lacking these days. Enjoy.

[@sub12airgunners]

very good out of the box which is a nice change from the last 2 😁😁

[@jeffojibway9284]

What a good looking rifle, well done.

[@sub12airgunners]

Thank you it's nice to look at and nice to shoot 😁

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Well, well Daystate have gone up in my estimation! Making videos to help owners! Made in England and with the cost of sending abroad, I can see myself owning one in future. Well done. Only one thing I would like to see added. The chronograph, make it like the FX pocket chronograph so it speaks from smart phones and we don't have to look at the screen on the rifle.

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching and the gun has Bluetooth on it so the link to the phone is only a matter of time

[@Tim_Bassett]

best gun ever - that truly is a bold statement. one query though - if the cheek piece comes as part of the upgrade kit, does a standard rifle mean a 90 degree corner in the cheek? Also, I think the omission of a decent butt pad is not good in this day and age. Regarding the support - thats excellent news and I hope other manufacturers follow suit.....be prepared for their calls :D :D :D

[@sub12airgunners]

🤣 yes Jake fancied getting some stick, best gun ever is always going to be a fun statement 🤣 the cheek piece comes with the gun it's the adjustable one that comes with the pro kit and i agree a butt pad should come with the gun.

[@davidebertini5636]

Complimeti sei una persona monto competente e dinamica grazie hai tuoi insegnamenti ho riparato e migliorato tutti i miei ficili 🎉

[@sub12airgunners]

thank you and thanks for watching 😀

[@studssmith2008]

There does seem to be a pattern a curing when you shoot a 50 yards , I had the same with my delta wolf , I always shoot groups of 5 like your self, most of the time you would get 3 touching and then 2 going off , would drive me potty , I kept blaming myself or the pellets , but in the end I had to just except that’s how it shoots , great informative vid again buddy

[@martinhart1798]

Love them or hate them daystate make accurate air rifles that look stunning .

[@sub12airgunners]

You didn't get to shoot it on Saturday mate have a go next week 😀😀

[@martinhart1798]

@@sub12airgunners would love to mate thank you ,just worried I am gonna want one

[@sub12airgunners]

@@martinhart1798 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Steve-bo6ht]

Excellent Jeff really appreciate the review

[@sub12airgunners]

Thanks for watching 👍

[@rayingles1]

It would be helpful to new owners if you could explain what effect the adjustments to reg pressure, pulse and voltage have to the shots and how they relate to each other. Love this rifle but I use factory loaded sets would love to use my own but unsure how this triangle of settings work. Your explanation is always clear and informative.

[@sub12airgunners]

we are trying to get a bit of time to do a programming vid so there will be one 😁

[@stevenpritchard3519]

Hi, I have a new red wolf. Having problems finding a palm rest for HFT. Tried a few but not suitable. The one I like best has an opening to insert fill probe. Trouble is even with a long adapter I can’t get my finger and thumb in to lock it on. Been considering a spark plug plier. Do you know if there’s an extra extra long foster adapter on the market ? My googleing has had no luck.

[@ootahbeefz5501]

That looks crazy 🔥👊🏾

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 👍

[@RenegadeAL]

Great video. I had to treat myself to one after watching this 😉. I was wondering if you've thought anymore about making a video for tuning it? I would be very interested in seeing what settings you've found to be optimum 👍

[@sub12airgunners]

we will be we just haven't had time so it is on the list 😀

[@eddiebrundrett5785]

nice video keep up the good work e

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😁😁

[@samtucker615]

Would love to see take it apart. Would love to see inside

[@sub12airgunners]

check out the delta wolf vid on the daystate youtube channel it's the same insides 😁

[@arcticairgunner]

Definitely the most beautiful rifle you have shown on the channel. If the battery is dead, can the rifle still shoot? How long does the battery last?

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😀 it will not shoot if the battery is dead but it does last a very long time i have put about 3000 pellets through it so far without charging it

[@danbrown6255]

Great content 👌 I've always wondered how the electronics work inside of these I've always been a little sceptical but the results speak for themselves would the standard alfawolf be the same or is this special edition have more bells and whistles

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching👍 The standard AW is the same gun just not in the same colour that's all

[@sonan7216]

Good morning, wouldn't you like to try it from a further distance, greetings

[@sub12airgunners]

in sub 12 it's not worth it imo there's more luck than anything else

[@eoinwestman6222]

Very nice rifle. I like that

[@sub12airgunners]

yes it's a real treat to soot 😁

[@eoinwestman6222]

@@sub12airgunners I bet. I only ever had a daystate renegade and it was lovely. Nothing compared to that alpha wolf

[@darrenm7964]

Hi Jeff, how do the electronic triggers feel compared to a normal 2stage trigger, also would the scope rail fit the brk ghost as it seems lower than the ghost one I've always been fussy about having my scope too high 😀

[@sub12airgunners]

the trigger feels like a very nice 2 stage trigger but you can adjust it to be very light i haven't tried the rail but it looks like it will fit i will give it a go and see😀

[@JohnSargeant-m2i]

Enjoyed video and your presentation very much - as usual I may add. Just a couple of small questions "Which single shot loader did you use for the test? " & "Does your trigger blade add to ultimate accuracy - in your opinion?" Thanks agin for a thoroughly professional video - looking forward to the next, regardless of model chosen.

[@sub12airgunners]

the trigger is a personal thing i really like them, i make them for all my guns i feel more comfortable so better for me 👍 i am not using a single shot loader at the moment i just feed them in to the breach 😁

[@JohnSargeant-m2i]

@@sub12airgunners Thanks for your time to reply to my queries Regards JDS

[@SoutheastShooter]

Nice Jeff I've got No32 👍

[@sub12airgunners]

Sweet, nice one👍 you know just how nice they are 😁😁

[@rayingles1]

Great news can't wait

[@PaulSmith-jr1qe]

Do you have any particular model of the accu-tac you think suits air rifles better than the others.

[@sub12airgunners]

i Like the BR-4 G2 for my air rifles lots of people like the FC-4 g2 but it's a bit to big IMO but still a very good bipod

[@PaulSmith-jr1qe]

Thanks for that.@@sub12airgunners

[@davidebertini5636]

E un edisione speciale e molto bella ma e acquistabile per tutti o e una edizione unica ed esclusiva?

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😀

[@LDBecker]

Hi from Los Angeles, CA - I just ordered an Alpha Wolf Blue special edition and have been searching for info on the gun- and came across your channel. Thanks for your work on these videos. Mine won't be a Sub12 airgun - will there be much difference in programming and maintenance between the Sub12 and US models? Also, I noticed Daystate has a video on the Safari Edition of the Alpha Wolf, but nothing on the Blue Special Edition. Is there much difference between the two - other than looks. I MUCH prefer the blue stock - and agree with you that the blue moderator looks a little off, color-wise. I didn't order the accessory kit, but did get the PRS butt pad and an upgraded Accu-Tac BR-4 G2 bipod.

[@sub12airgunners]

Hi thanks for watching the videos 👍 it's great to have viewers from across the pond 😁 the programming will be quite different to the sub 12 you will be able to enter the pellet speeds you would like and the gun will adjust for you, you will just have to adjust the reg 👍 the blue AW is basically the same as the others apart from looks and the cocking handle. good luck with your new gun and i hope it's an absolute lase like ours👍

[@nicholasviney5975]

were they sorted and weighed pellets or straight out the tin ?

[@sub12airgunners]

straight out of the tin we still have some to test next week to see if we can find any better😀😀

[@hedleypitts7366]

Been considering this or the Airmaks Krait for my next rifle, how do you compare the 2?

[@sub12airgunners]

both great guns if you like the bling and a tinker then the AW is the gun if you just want a work horse the Krait is it 😀

[@russellbaker7098]

You’ve had it for a while now, are you still as happy with it as you were in the video?

[@sub12airgunners]

absolutely, this is a fantastic gun and it is one of my favourites it's had thousands of pellets through it now and it makes the cut and comes to the range every week 😀

[@donspiteri6814]

Great as all ways.

[@sub12airgunners]

Thanks you 😊

[@gallantone1535]

I not a big fan of daystate as I had a delta wolf shortly after they came out (should always for a year plus so you don't do the experiment) 88 shots on the battery also other issues it went back for update,it came back missing dust cover max power 10.7ft phoned up shop to explain the comment not you again you will have to pay for work i said it's guaranteed the worst gun shop i delt with, was going to take legal action but got my money back I run my own business 30 years and away look after the customer even the ones that like to give you a headache you can sack those later .But after seeing your video it gives me hope especially as you are a straight talking person and not a rep and sounds like you got a good place to deal with,enjoyed your video' 👍

[@sub12airgunners]

all guns have problems it's how they are dealt with that shows to the shop for what it is, over the years i have dealt with some terrible shops and some good ones but now i will only use crawley surplus store they are spot and want you to be happy 😀 as for the Alpha Wolf it is a very special gun imo and i am very happy with it 😁 thanks for watching 👍👍

[@gallantone1535]

After watching your video i am tempted l am really pleased someone at daystate has got a brain cell😂 using your excellent knowledge. i been watching people on utube for years and you are in your own league well done

[@sub12airgunners]

thank you, we do try to make them interesting and the daystate technical vids are right up our street 😁

[@ravenravenbelarus]

A mechanical rifle has always been and will be more reliable than an electric rifle.

[@sub12airgunners]

lots of people say this but there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case, the electronics are so reliable and there is hardly any mechanical parts in them 😀

[@MrDead1975]

​@@sub12airgunnersit's another point of failure, the more components the more likely something is to fail.

[@jeffhello1444]

@@MrDead1975 there are far less components in a electronic rifle than a mechanical one 👍

[@lesbutler5458]

No shot count function in the computer?

[@sub12airgunners]

haven't got in to the computer yet 😀

[@paulblundell8033]

Great video as always. No shot count as such ( unlike the later Redwolf) but does have a shot count for the magazine size ( which no one I know uses !) Being a software platform could be added but I would rather see the Bluetooth be put to use ( say via an app to record shot data or sending profiles for different ammunition ) which I’m sure will come as it’s a platform that can be added to. Glad to see the DTD cable being included on this version

[@sspider9523]

🤩

[@sub12airgunners]

😁

[@tydengr]

a real high tech airgun

[@sub12airgunners]

yes it's very advanced 👍

[@trumpetsnail]

We need XTi-50 please😎😎😎

[@sub12airgunners]

we will be doing one at some point 👍👍

[@redgum1340]

Very sharp looking rifle. Much better than the Swedish stuff...

[@Chris-vc1dh]

what is the pellet speed of this toy?

[@sub12airgunners]

that would depend on what pellet you wanted to use

[@Chris-vc1dh]

@@sub12airgunners can you shoot 20 mm wood from 35m?

[@urbanspaceman7183]

Better than FX then.

[@sub12airgunners]

this compared to the last FX we had is in a different league 😁😁

[@kylegreyy]

Can you still shoot it if the battery dies?

[@sub12airgunners]

No you can't shoot with a flat battery but the battery does last thousands and thousands of shots 👍

[@alanmullock381]

Think ive had a minor trouser accident😂 ! On my shopping list for Chrimbo👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@sub12airgunners]

😂😂 they are very nice 😀 thanks for watching

[@whoami5228]

Nice👍

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching 😀

[@jeffhello1444]

nice one 😁😁

[@sub12airgunners]

Thanks 😁

[@loopoin]

Daystate affiliated now?

[@sub12airgunners]

no we are not doing any videos on our channel just technical information videos for there technical department

[@phamthanh2430]

Chao ban....

[@sub12airgunners]

😀

[@phamthanh2430]

@@sub12airgunners mình ở Việt Nam có m được không bạn

[@KevinWood44]

I do not understand buttstocks like this. I was taught to hold a rifle much like a modern day PRS shooter....setting up directly behind the rifle and putting the stock against my chest. I do not snug it under my arm pit. So these buttstocks feel horrible for me. I need an actual pad. This is the same reason I hate most shooting benches (and I think they need to change) you should be more directly behind the gun as opposed to canted off the side.

[@shaunjones6049]

I don’t think BSA management really care about their products reliability , 😔and have a track record consistently releasing so say new improved rifles with performance problems. 🤔I guess as long as they sell enough 💵💰. the suits get their money and drive their big cars while manufacturing and selling products that they have no interest or passion for.

[@xWILZTAx]

I thought that was the ugliest air rifle on the market until i found out about the scout epoch

[@sub12airgunners]

🤣 you haven't been looking that hard then 🤣🤣

[@stevenmoses5807]

Very nice unfortunately too heavy priced

[@sub12airgunners]

thanks for watching, yes they are very expensive

[@mymodel6]

Edit: Very nice, unfortunately i can't afford one...

[@loopoin]

Shot my mate's Alfa wolf safari and my tuned tx200 had less recoil than it.

[@sub12airgunners]

the older ones had a bit but the later ones have very little recoil 👍👍

[@kevinparker461]

Nope, as soon as you mention electronics i'm not interested!!. I bought a Daystate 30 odd years ago & after 20 years the trigger had problems. I contacted Daystate. NOT INTERESTED!!. You can still get parts for 100 year old BSA's, but Daystate are only interested in selling & nothing else. Daystate also try to come over the 'Rolex' of air rifles ... they are not. Fall for the hype & you will be mugged!

[@Sae-fu5ch]

Bye…👍

[@sub12airgunners]

That is not the service i have received over the years so i am surprised to here that 😔 as for parts try to buy a lower block for an r10 they no longer make them so the hole rifle is scrap if you have a problem with that part

[@spasticjackson9578]

People said these things about digital music and cell phones also.

[@whatfor5]

In the US, getting service even for new defective daystates can be surprisingly challenging, let alone support for older rifles. Really pushed me away from the brand. :( They are such beautiful rifles, it's unfortunate.

[@TonyBelas]

30 years ago, and after 20 years you had a problem and expected what, a warranty? Can you not hear yourself. 😂

[@margaretmacmurray658]

Far to expensive, electronics a no no .

[@sub12airgunners]

each to there own i love the electronics 😀

[@mymodel6]

Translation: I'm poor, i'm thick...

[@polduran]

Drink some water for god sake

[@sub12airgunners]

🙄🙄