Daz 3D, Materialize, Photoshop, Cinema 4D, Octane Render - Adding More Realism To A Daz Skin Shader

[@yunodite]

omg thank god someone finally made a tutorial on the skin thing. thanks alot travis, you are the true saviour

[@TravisDavids]

No problem, it's something i always wanted to release and i'm so glad people can watch it now :)

[@dave-is9sw]

WOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A BUMP FOR SKIN GENERATOR FOR WEEKS!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH U ARE A GOD

[@ChristinaMcKay]

Thanks for sharing. I never export with the maps just because you only get a diffuse map. If you go to the surfaces pane and click on the map in the base color and then on "Browse" that brings you to the runtime folder of the character with the original maps that come with the product. In most of the cases there isn't only a diffuse but also a bump, a roughness or specular and sss. So you don't have to generate those maps.

[@TravisDavids]

Whoa, didn't even know about this location, that is awesome! Thank you! For anyone wondering where u can access these maps directly from daz, look at this image i67.tinypic.com/4vfrq0.png The results from the default Daz Bump and Spec/Roughness does indeed look different to the custom maps I generate using Materialize but it's nice that there is an option to get them out of Daz, you just need to browse to that folder. It's strange that it's hidden like this and that the program doesn't just export it out by default.

[@TravisDavids]

By the way i'm finding the original Daz Bump and Roughness to look a lot more coarse, even when i play around with the roughness and bump value. I think the baked map results from Materialize look better. Have a look at this image i67.tinypic.com/a2uosx.jpg

[@ChristinaMcKay]

@@TravisDavids I agree, and I most always tone them down. I usually use the roughness with values at 0.2 to 0.5 in Blender's PBR shader. Bump depends on the project. Blender uses the bump in the normal channel (with a converter) so the results are different anyway. But toning the channels down and also using the roughness map in the specular or gloss channel in addition usually gives me good results. About the maps not being exported: Non of the common formats that are normally used for exchange like obj, fbx or dae is capable of exporting the maps as far as I know. If I export an object from Blender or C4D in those formats there is also only a diffuse.

[@nevarran]

@@TravisDavids And many of the custom characters have really bad bump and spec maps. I'm often forced to switch those with the maps from some of the DAZ original characters, but naturally they don't match perfectly. So this tutorial of yours is a gem, mate. Appreciate it.

[@philjpark]

How do you add an SSS map in octane?

[@northerain]

can you do a tutorial for hair from daz to c4d octane? Eyes too

[@MultiModio]

Pleaase. I'm ask too.

[@DLT8]

FRR

[@TravisDavids]

You can download the modified maps on my gumroad page gum.co/cuWRh You can also get 30% off all items on CG Trader for April by using the code TRAVIS CGTrader: bit.ly/2FRhRFC (30% off with code TRAVIS) 3D Scanned Models: bit.ly/2CPhVnb 3D Human Models: bit.ly/2TP7Igj In this tutorial i'll show you how to add more realism to the default daz skin maps. One of my biggest issues with standard Daz skin is that when it's applied to the 3D model it looks like plastic. That's because Daz doesn't output 2 important maps, bump and roughness. I'll show you how to quickly create those maps with a free texture generator called Materialize and then we'll apply that to our new daz skin shader to push it closer towards realism. The methods i use are reliant on baking maps from a diffuse map so there is no sculpting involved at all, it's just showing you how to add more realism to the existing daz maps. I'll be using Daz, Materialize, Photoshop, Cinema 4D and Octane Render with the tutorial to achieve the end results. Enjoy! 0:00 Sponsor 1:08 Tutorial

[@redfalconvfx7050]

Nice tutorial.... it will get better if you use SSS

[@sean.sullivan]

@Travis Davids!! great tutorial.. thank you so much for the help! Question: can you make emissive materials with Materialize? I got a Daz actor and material from the daz marketplace and the emissive material doesn't seem to show up in octane. Wondering whats the best way to translate that into octane?

[@toapyandfriends]

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[@toapyandfriends]

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[@TonioDC79]

Great tutorial, Now this is what I learned last year, when exporting instead of selecting “collect maps”, choose “original maps”. Once you import your subject into cinema the corresponding maps will appear at the bottom. Here is the fun part, click on “face” for example, then color there you will see the file location for your subject. I normally cut and past the address into a new file explorer. There you will find all the maps you need, bump, normal etc. I cheat most times. I link all the maps that’s needed then convert them to octane, where a few tweaks take place. Hope this help,

[@TravisDavids]

Thank you, yup i also convert maps to save some time. My biggest issue is that the standard daz bump maps don't look too great, the skin texture is very repetitive and coarse from what I've noticed. I honestly prefer the baked skin results from Materialize.

[@REDPanti]

thanks so much

[@caylya7869]

But how do I get and separate the texture of skin itself.

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Many thanks for making this video and even more for showing those actual maps.

[@JB1994]

Tutorial begins at 2:20

[@crackpotgolfer]

Thanks for sharing materialize is just what my model needed, It is possible to find the normals & bump maps in the Daz libraries but the app's maps are adjustable & far better.

[@TravisDavids]

You can download Materialize via this link boundingboxsoftware.com/materialize/downloads.php

[@secretsunofficial]

Isn't the daz bump maps etc available from your daz content folder? I can find them even though they are not exported with the obj

[@keithblackham7708]

Very good tutorial maybe you can do one for realistic hair? My main interests for realistic looking daz renders using Iray or Octane

[@xgonagitya1105]

So once u export the model out n create the new skin maps, can u import it back into Daz n add the maps to the model that way?

[@hakzolot]

👍same question

[@alperensozen9525]

materialize doesnt include the maps into itself why ?

[@KhoobsuratAndaaz-dl5ib]

Hi, How to use these maps in Daz Studio to improve skin details. Also, can u guide to create a normal maps also.

[@jonas_dero]

Cool tutorial! Just a few tips, using a Normal map generated in materialize instead of bump and you'll have slightly better reaction to light and won't have the edge issues either. Also recommend using Pathtracing over Directlighting in Octane as AO and SSS is far superior. Cheers!

[@TravisDavids]

Awesome! Thank you for the tips Jonas, i'll give the normal map trick a try. My GPU is painfully slow on pathtracing (GTX 970) that's why i never use it. I should probably start using it some more.

[@jonas_dero]

@@TravisDavids Oh thats cause the pathtracing uses waaay too many samples by default. Try setting the pathtrace samples to 128 or 256 or so and its almost as fast as direct lighting, without the ugly AO ;)

[@TravisDavids]

@@jonas_dero Schweet! Thank you for the tips Jonas, will keep that mind.

[@TravisDavids]

If you want to learn more about Materialize and how you can use the program to create tileable materials from photos, feel free to watch my tutorial kzbin.info/www/bejne/h37ViIGbZ6qKd80

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Its due to the effect of material what is causing the edges to blur. Never used the app, but noticed it shift around with values quite harse. When therer is a stark contrast, like here from white to skin color it tends to do that. I tried deleting the white and use flaming pear soldify to sort of a blurred image to all the edges. It does look a bit better. THough now Materialize has a complete different outcome. Not sure whats happening with this app. It seem to be looking at very bright ares and then does the filtering on it. So me trying to fix that white area does not help at all. It also has an issue with dark skin textures.

[@freenomon2466]

thanks for the tut.. but daz does have bumpmaps which can be used as normal maps. you can combine bump and albeto converted albeto to normal map and combine them in unreal. I have done pretty realistic skin off of daz and even facial mocaps using it.

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Doesnt this trick you did for fixing the edges create weird lines in the outer edges of the roughness map etc??

[@fiftyrock]

awesome tutorial! is there a way you can import materials easier if you have an object that has a ton of mats ??

[@jbtube73]

Very informative. Thanks Travis Davids for making this.

[@TravisDavids]

It's only my pleasure, thank you for watching the video!

[@jbtube73]

You're welcome. I have a question. You mentioned roughness - would that be considered a specular map? Me coming from Poser and Daz Studio and working around Blender 2.8 I thought I should ask this. Thanks, again. ;-)

[@HelpfulPlez]

Travis, is there a difference between the bump generated by this software versus the bump maps supplied with any Daz figure? If you render through Daz Studio, these figures typically have a gloss map and a bump map already applied. Maybe you explain in the video and I didn't catch it, but is there an advantage to using these maps instead? As I understand you're just comparing this to using only the diffuse map when it's exported to another program.

[@RejectedInch]

Thanks so much for the tutorial! How do you set the SSS? ps .The original maps ( bump, roughness, specular,normals, etc) are in the DAZ folderr " Runtime---->Textures". Insert the name of the character you are working on in the serach bar of your DAZ library and you can copy and paste the texture folder on desktop then load the textures you need without downloading other programs unless you really want to, of course

[@TravisDavids]

yup discovered this afterwards although i don't really like how the default daz bump maps look, i prefer to create them manually like this. I personally feel like it gives me a better result.

[@jomarbertago221]

How to apply this with Blender? Thanks! Awesome stuff

[@rubberdog]

Thanks a million for the skin tutorial, a great help :)

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Looking at your final renders, i think it misses a specular map, that normally works together with a roughness map. The skin looks to reflective overall i think. The trick is very nice you showed. But i think i need to look for a better app then that Materialize, the downloaded version doesnt work, i found one working. But the app seems to have some issues, mainly that blurry edge and also working with darker textures

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Seeing the intro, ive almost always see normal maps in Daz model. Your example was clearly missing those, was that a very old character orso? Havent seen that in ages. Quite nice you showed the method. I used to use CrazyBump on OSX, ive transfered to Windows a couple months back and totally forgot about this app. I knew it existed but kinda forgot about it since it is Windows only. Thanks for showing the app again :)

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Do wonder why you use oldskool bump vs normalmap. Bump map has no information for lighting to show better in the render. I 100% use normal maps, if they are not there i create them my self, the differnce is day and noght in materials

[@praveensanthosh7290]

Can you make the same video explaining the workflow in blender rather than cinema 4d

[@zzero2k]

U know how to do it correctly now?

[@zipvisuals8713]

Travis this tutorial is awesome!! Thank you so much

[@TravisDavids]

It's only my pleasure, thank you for watching!

[@hollaback0690]

EXCELLENT TUTORIAL!!!

[@LexUsamn]

hi man ..great tuto ... can tell me how i fix the eyes?

[@alperensozen9525]

materialize doesnt load photos.... i updated c++ but same problem... ?

[@boriszlatkovdesign]

if i would like to model some equipement (gun) in which software i could do it?

[@vincecoasterfreak]

That's a great video ! I am starting to learn 3d things. I was wondering why renders are looking plastic. Now I know !! You started your video in DAZ (what I decided to learn because it looks easier to step in 3d art), but you continued with cinema 4d. Is the render equivalent with DAZ ?

[@stonertito2471]

What should the eyes do?

[@cellacyben101]

Very cool. How would your SSS process work with DAZ shaders?

[@darkphanto2355]

does this work for the normal maps too?

[@rwhunt99]

Thanks for this great tutorial. so, what you suggest is to only use a couple of maps, I get confused with all these different maps, which ones do we really need. I think the diffuse and either a bump map or a height map (used as a bump map), and metalness? I don't use Octane or Cinema4D, do you create a separate Occlusion (GI Diffuse) map and use it, or is that part of Octane Render itself?

[@TravisDavids]

For the purpose of this tutorial and for this skin shader, just the diffuse, bump (generated from the height in materialize) and the roughness (generated from metallic in materialize) is needed. I'm not creating a separate occlusion, i just change my GI mode directly in octane to Diffuse, it tends to give me more accurate results.

[@rwhunt99]

@@TravisDavidsThanks for the help clearing my confusion! :)

[@mustafasarikaya3012]

it was a great video,:) I have difficulty in replacing the eyes of the model, What should I do

[@ravnOne65]

Thank you so much for this Travis, you have a very nice float to your tutorials. I dont share your enthusiasm regards Materiialize, you have to do all steps manually. I realy don't understand why the software uses Metalic map as a roughness map, no other programs do that. Also when you make maps for characters, you should not use hight map, but instead Normal map.

[@boriszlatkovdesign]

materialize is like Substance alchemist (adobe)?

[@ДимаПрокопьев-ф9и]

Why do I see textures, I tried to install the Microsoft Visual C++, also not shown. What can be done?

[@checkmymovie]

Great tutorial!!! can i import the textures back to Daz octane render?

[@checkmymovie]

@EBONX TV i tryed yesterday but get pretty detailed skin but sadly with seems and big color difference. I guess there should be a better way.

[@JuanFernandez-ti5bv]

thank you !

[@NAMEISE1]

OMG!!! I HAVE DOIN EVERYTHING WRONG BEFORE!!! thanks man this is helps me a lot. But i want to ask,how to deal with eyes and hair caps material from daz to cinema 4d octane? because when i try to put the material,the hair caps material creating weird net look around the forehead,and the eyes material turn the models eye look scary and weird. can you help me out how to fix it?

[@caskal]

Directly to favorites ❤ thanks bro

[@TravisDavids]

Only my pleasure bro, enjoy!

[@iHeartDom]

Great video. Thanks. I think i may make one for iClone. I dont use Cinema 4d. Thanks either way.

[@Alex.Gutsev]

Hi Trevis davis why when importing to C4D, I don’t have red triangles in the upper right corner to select a separate part of the body

[@TravisDavids]

When you import your character into C4D, on the window that pops up, change your "Splitting" to "Combined" and you should see the triangles. I hope that helps.

[@Alex.Gutsev]

@@TravisDavids Wow wow dude, it worked out in shock, thanks, I knew something simple well I didn’t understand where, I’m from Kazakhstan, we don’t have any CD4 lessons, I gather information on grains

[@TravisDavids]

@@Alex.Gutsev no problem, I'm happy this solution worked for you. Thank u for watching my videos.

[@Alex.Gutsev]

@@TravisDavids Why do I need a cuntour outline in Photoshop? and how to make the background white when exporting with Daz like yours?

[@stefanleutwyler788]

Cool! Do you know the workflow from daz to C4d arnold?

[@TravisDavids]

The workflow would be very simple, remember i'm just using regular roughness and bump maps so if you create an Arnold material you can replicate the shader's settings and you should be able to create a lighting setup similar to mine. I think the only thing that would be tricky is camera settings as octane has it's own camera settings.

[@psygameboy]

Travis Davids Thanks for the answer.

[@aldolibrian9326]

this materialize corupted file...it doesn't to work,pliss give me materialize file.. :(

[@AshantiVO]

can the mac user use photoshop generate bump map feature as an alternative?

[@TravisDavids]

You could try, i wouldn't know how to output a normal map directly from photoshop though...

[@AshantiVO]

Travis Davids it automatically done by a filter

[@NguyenHangofficial]

THANKS BRO.

[@bratdoll332]

I have a MAJOR QUESTION: I just downloaded DAZ today. How far can I go using Daz Studios (creatively speaking)?

[@tamangelinart]

Daz Iray renders some great looking stuff. I am 3D asset creator and use mainly blender and sometimes Marvelous Designer to create things, but my go-to for rendering scenes is Daz, especially since I’ve built up such a big library of assets. There’s definitely more to Daz than meets the eye, but like the previous commenter said, there are some things it can’t do. I definitely recommended as a starting point, though.

[@bratdoll332]

@@tamangelinart Yes, I posted this 3 months ago and since then I've been using blender and Unreal. In fact, I am really good at it. I am in the early stages of making a Triple A game. I already have most of my characters. I'm working on their clothes now. I just need a coder and I would be good....and someone who can sell my comic book for me.

[@dimitrieva2013]

can we please have tuto for eyes please :3

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Mac users need to look for crazybumb, then check if you can find the demo app. It works like a champ

[@ro-animation]

Great tutorial!!!

[@TravisDavids]

Thank you so much!

[@ro-animation]

Please do more about Octane. By the way there is no Octane underwater Tutorial on KZbin. Will be great to see one from you.

[@Xerce_]

What is your CG ?

[@3DBlurofficial]

Is it possible to get the same skin details result in unreal engine 4

[@TravisDavids]

Hi, it's possible. Keep in mind that these are just regular bump and roughness maps so they can be used anywhere. If you can somehow replicate the settings of the octane shader the skin can look identical. It shouldn't be too difficult as i didn't alter the octane shader material settings too much. I just plugged in the roughness and bump and played around with the value that controls the intensity of the roughness which i'm sure you can do in Unreal Engine as well. You would also have to replicate the light setup in unreal using area lights to get similar lighting results as well because the lighting plays a very important role in these images.

[@3DBlurofficial]

@@TravisDavids thank you so much you are the best

[@Logical0]

I love you Travis! any chance you could do a tutorial on shoes for daz models and Mixamo animations. also a tutorial on making celebrities.

[@TravisDavids]

Thank you, when you say shoes you mean creating shoes that can be applied onto a character that has been rigged with mixamo animations? I usually create any shoes with zbrush.

[@Logical0]

@@TravisDavids yeah basically lol Thanks For letting me know! with modelling celebrities i have alot of trouble with zbrush do u think theres another way?

[@TravisDavids]

@@Logical0 i think celebrity likeness sculpting in general is quite challenging. It's not really something i do, someone that is amazing at doing celebrity sculpting is Hossein Diba

[@greenflamingoentertainment8613]

(Travis, you rock.)

[@damohr69]

awesome!

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Isnt that because your using OBJ? FBX export does export all other maps. EDIT Well i thought it actually did, tried it again used different method. It does not. To bad they dont have proper exporter for that. Perhaps someone has made the exporter better. I do believe the DaztoBlender script does make this better

[@RomboutVersluijs]

There is also an Alembic Export plugin there, pretty nice!

[@valentinmarceline7347]

Nice tutorial. THX

[@TravisDavids]

My pleasure!

[@pathikbiswasvisualart]

Thanks. Please make one with Maya.

[@Plizze]

Very interesting, thanks.

[@piotrcrass888]

No SSS :(

[@TravisDavids]

For this skin yes, didn't want to add SSS even though i know it's usually included with every skin material BUT you can setup SSS with octane and make a mixed material where you blend the material i make in this tutorial with the SSS as well.

[@piotrcrass888]

@@TravisDavids Nice.Thx :)

[@ideascortes]

@@TravisDavids When is the SSS material going to happen? Thank you.

[@letterletters5904]

COOOOOOL!

[@DJMikkilla]

Wow, thank you so much

[@TravisDavids]

No problem, enjoy!

[@FranciscoNunesDesigner]

really, really thanks

[@TravisDavids]

My pleasure, enjoy!

[@mrhocine200]

the best

[@stefanbachrodt7072]

Uhm 9:03... Nooit bru! Menu bar -> Select --> Color Range -> click on white -> Expand Selection -> Feather -> Delete button... Job fucking done son.

[@1lllllllll1]

Gotta love hearing someone pronounce it “a-gain”. Seldomly heard

[@anthonyhoang5902]

Finally, someone who speaks proper English the way the word is spelled.

[@samuelfarmer5270]

great job thanks a lot for this video I'm trying to lean Daz 3D can I ask how to do a super close up shot with out breaking through the face on Daz 3D ? cus every time I try to get very close to the face or other part it just broke through the figure?

[@AlexVoronCicerone]

BiG Thanks

[@Darkundeadhero]

Nice

[@TravisDavids]

Thank you

[@문어그리고초고추장]

thakyou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@adilhussain6355]

Please can you share HDRI used in these renders. Thanks

[@anthonyc19]

Oh no. Now I don't know how to get it back into daz!

[@GregorMima]

Cheers for the tutorial! Question: Has anyone found a way to bring Daz HD-morphs over to Cinema4D? Any ideas?

[@vanteal]

Can't you just use Daz and the material program? I don't have any of the other programs. Can't afford them, don't know a thing about them.

[@dhedhekuncoro]

sorry had to pause at 0:33

[@TravisDavids]

LOL!

[@scottlee38]

I suggest doing this with Blender cycles. The results are much better!

[@TravisDavids]

Haven't tested this with Cycles, i'm happy you are getting better results. I would just suggest that people use whatever render engine they are happy with and prefer.

[@geraldballesteros3839]

It's too late, materialize... It's too laaaaate... woaaah yeaaahh... I'm holding on your rope Got me ten feet off the ground And I'm hearing what you say, but I just can't make a sound You tell me that you need me Then you go and cut me down, but wait You tell me that you're sorry Didn't think I'd turn around, and say That it's too late materialize, it's too late I said it's too late materialize, it's too late I'd take another chance, take a fall Take a shot for you And I need you like a heart needs a beat But it's nothing new, yeah, yeah I loved you with a fire red Now it's turning blue, and you say Sorry like the angel heaven let me think was you But I'm afraid It's too late materialize, it's too late

[@Darksagan]

It was all good until you got to the Photoshop part. I rewatched every step so many times and I cannot replicate it. My brush doesnt act like your either.

[@gmilka4283]

This is not available for the moment :( do you know why..? Really hope you gonna answer me🥹

[@redshift3696]

Amazing.. really helpful. Thanks bro!