Daz Studio Render Settings

[@ParmyBaddhan]

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[@dhnaresn]

Once more, thank you for sharing this content! Daz really should make you an official tutorial writer and publish your content.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for your kind comment. That would be cool, but that is not my goal. My goal is to be a comic book creator and take on Marvel and DC.

[@daviddrown4416]

Selecting CPU and Graphics cards does not render with only the CPU. I use this setting all the time and my graphics card is used. In fact it renders faster with both selected. The only negative I've seen is when CPU is selected, it will slow down other functions on the computer if using those functions while waiting for a render to complete.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

That's what I mean't to say. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@duckdoom5]

I know this is old, but I feel like I need to add something here in case someone comes across this. I also had them both enabled, but my renderning times where very slow in some scenes. Turns out that my VRAM was full and that having both enabled means iray will 'fallback' to CPU even if the CPU fallback check is turned off. I now have it disabled, so I actually know when it's using my CPU. Also you can fix the lag in CPU mode now, with the cpu load limit. Just decrease it by one and it will use one less cpu core.

[@seanthiar]

Easy to change - just stop DAZ to use the whole CPU. I have a 8 core /16 threads CPU and I allow DAZ only in the render settings advanced tab to use 12 of the 16 threads. That gives me 2 complete cores for other things to do and it is still faster.

[@gnack420]

@@seanthiar THANK YOU! Oh my god, I can't thank you enough! My computer would become almost unusable during rendering and your suggestion fixed it!

[@renorzed1912]

Absolutely helpful , wonderful tutorial !

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for you kind comment. Happy speedy rendering!

[@ror2349]

Thanks for the tutorial,it all was really helpful and solved a problem I was having in my renders!.So big thumbs up!!

[@tawa7546]

When it comes to lighting the scene I would suggest using ghost lights instead of the built in spotlights in daz studio, in most cases I found that ghost lights reduced my rendering times by almost 50%. This will probably depend on your system but you should look it up if you have issues with slow render speed.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for taking the time to leave your tip about ghost lights reducing render times.

[@bettythomas8660]

I was playing with render settings last night & screen shot the settings I liked otherwise I would forget the render settings etc. But I did read up on finding the 3DL Cartoon render via option menu, enable show hidden properties - top corner right, & then you'll see Render Style @ bottom of list. 👍👍

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for sharing this tip.

[@AddonisLloyd_deluisekrueger]

I want to play with the 3DL render engine. I've never even turned it on

[@AquaExercisesWorkouts]

Thanks for sharing! I wonder why they put that in the hidden properties.

[@bettythomas8660]

@@AquaExercisesWorkouts I totally forgot how much I use to use 3DL cartoon render, but coupled with an iray figure you can get some fantastic results & increase your creativity.

[@bettythomas8660]

@@ParmyBaddhan 3DL Cartoon render tutorial.... Nudge wink wink😉😜👍

[@colmduggan8230]

i created groups of props for each room of a house and just hid the ones i wasn't rendering in at the time i had no idea it was still using resources i thought it was just rendering slowly thanks for the tutorial Parmy

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Just to clarify, hiding the props that you don't want to render does decrease the rendering time and use less resources. However I still feel that deleting the prop from the scene is a better approach to give that memory back for your scene and decrease rendering times even further.

[@colmduggan8230]

@@ParmyBaddhan I see thanks for the info

[@maxpoe2818]

You have an astounding knowledge of Daz Studio...I've learned so much...although, I have not yet committed most to memory...you often move so fast that I find myself stopping and rewinding things...but I am very impressed...Do you work now for Daz..? Or possibly in the past..?

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for your very kind words. I have never worked for Daz. I learned all this by playing with the software and purchasing tutorials from Daz3D and Renderosity to level up my knowledge. There is no secret or magic ability that I have. The only difference between where I am and where you are is a skill set gap. You need to focus on closing the gap. Which is exactly what I am doing. I am acquiring skills that have utility, which allow me to get to my goal which is to create the best damn comic books that I can.

[@SmokePoppa]

#1 factor for anyone with less than 48GB of VRAM is the total memory buffered to render the scene. If you have 2GB of VRAM or less, your GPU likely isn't going to assist your render at all unless it's a primitive scene. (like a low poly prop) The geometry of mid poly characters will run about 60MB of ram. Adding Iray material to the character will push that up to 400-800MB easy. The entire scene must buffer in VRAM or iray defaults to the CPU and only uses VRAM as swap space. You need to decimate your scenes so that there are as few polys as possible to keep total memory consumption low. When you notice that the scene isn't as sharp as you want, keep going, you're about halfway there. In fact, you're about halfway to getting started with pre-renders. #2 Light/emission surfaces will totally jack up up your render times. IRAY materials and shaders will seriously increase the total VRAM required. If you run into an incident where the total memory is lower, that's just because the 3Dlite texture is poorly composed and could/should be optimized. Know the following; A) The amount of memory needed to calculate the scene can/will (most likely will) push you outside of your VRAM buffer limit. Create a locked camera position and render just the background and props with even intensity lighting so you don't create unnatural shadows. Break up the entire scene so that it's a series of panels called "billboards" with the rendered 2D picture as an overlay. You should cut the majority of your vram requirements and total render time to a small fraction of the total render time. The only 3D objects in a scene should be in the mid ground and you can even break that down into another cluster of fore, mid, and background. B) The primary calculation of "iray" is the calculation of scattering of rays from surfaces... Going heavy on the effect will run up the render time. Mirrors, glass, glossy paints, and all that good stuff comes at a price. That price is time on the Render.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

So much great information, more than I covered in the video. Thanks for sharing your tips and helping others to level up faster.

[@quantumuniverse11]

What are the best render settings for use in cmyk printing? Thank you for your informative videos. Best wishes.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

I had to scratch my head on this one and it turns out there are no CMYK settings within Daz Studio. You will have to use an alternative image editing program to convert to CMYK. I will be using photoshop to convert to CMYK to professionally print physical copies of my graphic novel.

[@kicbocsir]

GREAT TIPS!

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Glad you like them!

[@11KT11]

Thanks for the video! I have an issue where the cpu is doing all the rendering and my RTX 3070 is doing nothing. I've checked the forums and can't seem to find an answer. Was wondering if you've ever had this issue. The card is meant to do the rendering right?

[@11KT11]

Got it sorted. Changed to a different Older Driver. Cheers

[@ParmyBaddhan]

I'm glad you were able to find a solution. I will be sharing more rendering speed tips in a future video when I have completed my graphic novel Tiger Dragon: The Rebirth. How much vram does your gpu have and I assume the rendering speed it blazing fast? With my current render settings it takes approximately 2 hours to do a render for my graphic novel and I'm using 8gb 1070ti.

[@11KT11]

@@ParmyBaddhan 8 gig here as well. Each scene seems to use around 6 gig so far. But yes it's ripping through most of them nicely. Best of luck with your Novel!

[@joey.9.5]

Amazing Video Thanks a Bunch

[@ParmyBaddhan]

You're welcome!

[@r3g4rds]

@8:36 Setting the Display Optimisation to Best really increased the viewport speed for me when i started. I remember my Daz was so slow before i did that. I dont know why daz doesnt set it to that as default.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Glad that tip helped. Some of the default settings that Daz Studio comes with are strange. Not everyone has a powerful computer with the latest CPU and nvidia graphics card.

[@r3g4rds]

@@ParmyBaddhan Someone on the forum actually told me about this after months of me putting up with a very slow viewport. And the difference was so drastic i thought it was odd that it wasnt default. I didnt think I had a particularly good CPU/GPU (at the time), but maybe the optimisation is a resource heavy thing and that's why it is limited. Another weird toggle under the Tool Settings for Move/Rotate tools is the 'Secondary Nodes' checkbox. Which I think is another thing that should be set to on as Default. As you say, some of the defaults are weird. Not Blender pre 2.8 weird, but still weird.

[@paulcrouse9987]

so question about graphix RAM compared to CPU RAM. I have a 8GB GTX Super but have 16GB of CPU memory, what is better to use? just the card or just CPU or both?

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Daz Studio can only use 1 rendering device, GPU or CPU. You want your graphics card to be your main rendering device as your graphics card is built to handle the requirements of rendering. The more ram your graphics card has, the more items you can have in your scene such as several HD characters, HD clothing, HD Hair, HD environments, etc... Daz Studio will always default to CPU rendering if your scene is bigger than the ram on your graphics card. I hope the above information helps.

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@@ParmyBaddhan Nope, Daz can and will use both the CPU and GPU if you enable both but for most cases you don't want to enable the CPU since it will be a bottle neck. The reduction it will bring to the length of the render is minimal. And by not using it you can still use the computer (normally) for other things whilst Daz renders in the background.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

@@baf_mcnab3065 Thanks for the info and helping me understand how Daz Studio uses CPU and GPU for rendering.

[@bihimohamed2563]

Thank a lot for the tutorial One question plz what can i do if i have amd rx580 graphic card?

[@ParmyBaddhan]

You're stuck with CPU only rendering, since the Iray render engine is created by Nvidia and GPU rendering only works with Nvidia graphics cards. You can use the 3delight render engine as an alternative, but don't expect Iray quality rendering with the 3delight render engine.

[@bihimohamed2563]

Parmy Baddhan tanks for answering me

[@tawa7546]

There are actually other render engines for daz studio that can be installed that are not nvidia dependent like iray. But I have no experience with using them, but if you don't have an nvidia card, then you should look it up.

[@dajo6725]

Do things outside the viewport (the screen that is rendered) affect the render time or not? My english is not the best but I think you said it both ways once.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Anything you add to your scene will affect the render time, even if that item is not in the viewport.

[@Lamantinos]

Thank you very much for your tutorial! Even if there are some minor missleads but they provoked people(who know some parts of Daz3d render better(hopefully)) to write helpfull information, so its win win situation i think :)))

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. This video was posted on April 2020 where my knowledge of rendering times was limited, however I believe I took a step that most are afraid to do which is to share my findings even if they were misleading. This video was meant as more of an overall guide and to help beginners to start playing around with variables that could decrease rendering times. I believe this video could do with an update as I have learned more since I created this video in April 2020.

[@RL-wm9pm]

Under Hardware>Devices... I only get the CPU option although my Mac does have a dedicated Radeon graphics card... is there something I need to do for Studio to "notice" that I have the graphics card and to enable me to "tick" it? Currently there is only one CPU option to tick :(

[@ParmyBaddhan]

For GPU rendering with Iray you need an nvidia graphics card. The reason for this is because Nvidia created the Iray render engine and therefore do not want their competitors graphics cards to use the Iray render engine with GPU rendering.

[@RL-wm9pm]

@@ParmyBaddhan Ahhhhh industry secrets :P but that explains it, thank you so much kind sir!

[@MissElviraWales]

when I change post denoise enable it takes away the details in skin almost like a painted look? It also renders extremely fast

[@ParmyBaddhan]

I would recommend to increase the post denoiser iteration to at least 500-800 if you want to keep the details. I personally use 1000 iterations to keep the details in my renders for my graphic novel.

[@alexs.3210]

Excellent! Still, i heard that OpticX Acceleration is decreasing a rendering time by half. With green GPU

[@jasimsyriac1445]

Yes, but I heard it also uses a lot more of the GPU's video ram so they properly rigged it to only work on high end Nvidia graphics cards with 12/11 gigs of video ram.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

This option really is machine dependant. Unfortunately no good for me.

[@jimmybarr1966]

Im using a 2013 mac pro. How come i cant see my graphic card in the settings?? Is there a way to get my graphic card in the settings to render from it?

[@jasimsyriac1445]

Your Mac don't have an Nvidia graphics card, you have an AMD FirePro D300 so even a GTX 1050 renders faster than your 2,999 mac since your Mac is using the CPU to render.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Unfortunately, you need an nvidia graphics to have GPU rendering, otherwise you will have to use your CPU for rendering.

[@diabolik223]

Self-taught Daz user right here, and after watching your videos there are some few things that I'd like to mention: - Like someone else said already, hiding the objects in the scene without deleting them, prevents totally from getting calculated when rendering. - About the denoiser, personally speaking I strongly advise to NOT use it. I'm saying this because I find that it's quite aggressive with all of the scenes, and when it does get in action to get rid of the grainy, at the same times it gives that "washed out" looks that is really awful to see for the eyes. I've rendered quite a few scenes (let's say even more than a few) with this method using the denoiser within Daz (because of my 4GB GPU), but if I have to choose and suggest another better alternative that is way less aggressive than this one, I will suggest the "Intel Denoiser". There's even the "Nvidia Denoiser", but even that is aggressive as hell, probably even more than the Daz one. Of course if you don't have an "Intel" CPU then using the Daz it's your only option, but in that case I will strongly suggest you to manage better your lighting inside the scene for avoiding using it! - And last thing, when speaking about the "Advanced" tab in the render settings, it needs to be said also that even if you have two GPU's selected, Daz will only calculate one and will not sums the whole GB available for both cards. Meaning that even if you have two GPU's of 8GB, you'll not have 16GB. You'll still have 8GB. Only the speed will actually increase, but other than that, the VRAM available will not combine with one another. I'm saying this because there are so many out there that still believes that having two, three, four GPU's etc.. will actually help the renders, but it's not. If you need VRAM, just buy a 16GB cards or either way more than 8GB if it's not enough for you. Don't waste money on buying two GPU's.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@madbone1165]

If your getting “washout” for denoiser you have some other problems. Wash out is from over exposure. Denoiser does not add light to your scene...denoiser is basically your system guessing what a render should look like before the render completes. If your creating a VN and time is important on each render denoiser works very well. Secondly you’re right 2 cards will not give you more memory, however nvidia uses cuda cores to process information. These cuda cores do add together so 1 gpu with 2000 cuda cores add a second gpu with another 2000 cure cores, now you have 4000 cores. GPU memory is for the size of the scene you can load to render, cores effect the speed. I have 2 1080ti that render complete scene in 20 min, where my old 1070ti would take hours for the same render.

[@diabolik223]

@@madbone1165 To be honest.. no. It's not because of the over exposure. I barely use little to none exposure in my renders, since I'm not an expert in photography. So.. unless it's daz being daz like always, pretty sure that it's that. Of course, we can have two different view of what a "washed out" look is it, so I won't dwell further in this one (since I already had a comparison with other artist and we all have a different opinion of this). Second, in fact I said if you read it again, that two gpu's will increase the overall speed of a render. Only that tho. I never said otherwise. If you're after more speed, go ahead and buy another GPU of course, but if you plan in do so because you think that you can add more VRAM with another, then don't waste your money. This is what I said, mostly.

[@madbone1165]

Andrea Lauro oh yea sorry I see you said that about speed. I guess the comment being that it seemed you were down playing the 2 cards..I mean if you want to sit around for hours for waiting for scenes to render sure go for it. If you are worried about memory but don’t want to shell out $1200 for 11gb card but want to render more than simple scenes then pick up “scene optimizer” from daz, which is good for even 2 card systems. This is the fastest way I’ve found to get BIG scenes and increase render speeds

[@madbone1165]

Oh and I’m sorry I also had it backwards “wash out” under exposed but again denoiser doesn’t add or subtract lighting. But denoiser works as a guessing system. It smooths out the pixels and keeps doing this until it reaches 100% convergence. Not using denoiser you don’t get the smooth pixels until almost 100% convergence and appears grainy. But at 100% both renders should look exactly the same. I find at anything above 50% denoiser looks very good. But again my factor is time as I need to create 200-300 scenes in a short amount of time and still have quality without grainy renders.

[@bluehornet632]

Uhmm, hiding objects DOES reduce memory. Its one way I often compose images that can cut down render times and spread light on certain models by hiding things like hair, glass, and outfits. It will even state the lower amount memory especially texture memory which builds up the most. How can you state something so false????

[@ParmyBaddhan]

In my experience I've found deleting objects to be more efficient method of releasing memory. Again in my videos I am giving examples of what has worked for me. If hiding objects works for you then have at it. Do what works for you.

[@bluehornet632]

@@ParmyBaddhan Its not a case of "works for me". You stated that it does not reduce memory and speed up renders. Which is patently false. You can try it yourself. The program even TELLS you how much memory its using when you start rendering. Thats the whole point of the hide option. Hair, outfits, reflections and complex geometry (like characters) all take up the most amount of memory. The program doesnt load things you hide.

[@Ramaihaholic]

so my renders always come out fuzzy/grainy.. .tried everything i could find on the internet but yeah no luck so far

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Below are some suggestions that may help: 1) Set your render resolution as high as possible. I use 1080x1080 for IG posts and 2160x2160 for my comic book renders. 2) Make sure you have enough light in your scenes. Use HDRI maps for faster rendering times. 3) Turn on post denoiser in render settings-->filtering. See this video for more info and to see my settings, kzbin.info/www/bejne/enyTloSIq6mjiM0

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@RavenGaming One of the main problems is that vendors set up their scenes to use Iray without knowing a lot about how Iray calculates and renders a scene. Such that a lot of surfaces have far too high reflective values. If the vendor uses a default script to convert 3DL materials to Iray ones, you will see they all have reflective values of .5 which means they will bounce back 50% of the light that hits them. This is not accurate but it does mean you will get grainy renders and/or fireflies (white dots) So the first thing to do is to go through the surfaces of everything in the scene and knock that reflectivity down. Also experiment with the diffuse roughness setting, a lot of the time this will be 0 and again that is wrong. Another thing that you can try is to set a different path length ( found under render settings->optimization ) By default this is set to -1 which means infinite, try 6 or 10. I would have to check this to determine if this means how long the ray will live, or how many times it will bounce before it 'dies'. Here is an article that better explains most of the settings in Iray. ( levelupjei.com/daz-studio-rendering-settings/ ) Hope that helps.

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@@ParmyBaddhan Just bear in mind that the denoiser can reduce the sharpness of an image ;)

[@Ramaihaholic]

@@baf_mcnab3065 hi there, This does help because i do have white dots and sometimes also green/blue/red. The red blue and green ones gi away when i let it render more but i should not have to leave it rendering for 5 to 6 hours for them to go away do i?i am also very new so this info helps a lot.

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@@Ramaihaholic Also experiment with denoising as Parmy mentions, though bear in mind that denoising can(does) blur an image slightly, you can reduce the amount of blurring in the settings. I am using the latest version of Daz studio ( 4.14 pro) so can't tell you exactly what options you will have. They can be found on the render settings tab, under filtering. If you read my explanation of how Iray calculates the final image, fireflies are unresolved pixels, that is to say that the ray(s) for that pixel either died before returning a colour/tone value or returned differing values such that it doesn't know what colour/tone it should be. Usually the former. Increasing the number of samples can remove some of them, and the grain, but checking the surface properties is one thing I will nearly always do if I am using a pre-built scene for the first time. Others suggest rendering at a higher resolution then reducing the final image to the size that you wanted. This can cause more problems and because of the way Daz studio presents the rendering settings, some people dont realise that when we increase the overall size of the render, we are reducing the quality of the render, since some of the settings are based on a time limit. In essence we are asking it to render more pixels in the same amount of time. Good luck :)

[@edlondon3717]

Where is Parmy???

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for your concern. I'm ok, working on Book 2 and learning skills to achieve my life's task.

[@kicbocsir]

i submitted a render.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for submitting your render. Good luck!

[@baf_mcnab3065]

Oh Dear Parmy, you have gone down such a rabbit hole with this one. Your generalisations could end up giving people bad advice. One. Removing something from the camera viewport reduces the time it takes to render. ( Actually it can increase the time the render takes if that something was stopping rays leaving the scene such as back and side walls in a room) Two. You seem a bit ambiguous in whether adding lights will increase or decease render times, In general more lights can reduce render times, and/or improve render quality IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Three. You talk about using point lights and how Iray will have so many more calculations but you only touch on WHY, but more importantly than that, Iray uses something called Bi-directional path tracing. We need to look at how the computer renders a 3D scene to better understand this. In essence there are two types of rendering. Biased and Unbiased. 3DL uses biased, Iray uses Unbiased rendering.(unless you change the render mode to 'interactive' AFAIR) When using Biased, the computer fires imaginary rays into the scene FROM the camera plane. ( For the sake of argument let's say it fires one per pixel to start with) These hit the scene and then one of several things can happen to each ray, it can be absorbed, or bounce off an item, or pass through but be deflected off its course (refraction) and so on. Some of these rays will eventually reach a light source. The computer registers what happens to each ray and that determines the colour and tone of that pixel. This is not how we see things in real life of course. Hence Unbiased rendering. In this method Rays are initially fired FROM the light source(s). As you say, if that light source is a sphere, then rays will be fired in all directions, some of which will find their way into the scene and a smaller portion will find their way up into the camera pane. (Only rays that reach the camera plane will contribute to the final render.) This is why unbiased renders will always look more photo real than biased ones and why they always used to take so much more time. However with the introduction of the aforementioned Bi-direction path tracing, now the computer can figure out which rays from the light find their way to the camera and thus send more rays in that direction than the ones that went off into the ether without contributing to the render. So your point is true to an extent. Personally I will use point (ghost) lights if they are going to be in the viewport and I want to refine a dark area. Spot lights are directional yes, but you can also use a primitive plane, just make sure it is only firing light in one direction to save on those clock cycles ;) That is enough for now because I dont want to appear to be pulling your video apart. Rendering and how to reduce the time it takes is far more complex than can be covered in one 25 minute video and you have tried to cover as many options as possible in that time, albeit with some minor mistakes. See my reply to @RavenGaming for more information about how to get better renders AND reduce render times.

[@ParmyBaddhan]

Thanks for your constructive criticism. I will take your learnings and do better with any future videos I create. Since you have far more knowledge than I do why not start your own KZbin channel to share your learnings and help people get better at their craft?

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@@ParmyBaddhan To be honest, I am thinking of doing one or two YT vids, but on how to model something in blender and then take it into MSFS. I only use DS from time to time these days but have been using it on and off since it came out and overtook poser. Before then I was using poser, and have been messing around with modelling and rendering since about 1990.

[@christopherflynn6743]

Bottom line: iray blows ass juice... Don't even bother with it. Just use 3Dlight, with the right setup you can get pretty close to iray quality using Uber light environment 2 with HDR images

[@ParmyBaddhan]

If you're happy using 3delight then keep using 3delight. Unfortunately, I won't be covering 3delight in my KZbin videos as Iray is the default render engine for now.

[@christopherflynn6743]

@@ParmyBaddhan it's a comment for other people, not everyone out there has a super fast computer, in fact most people don't. And even if you did have a super fast computer why the hell would your waist your time with daz when so many other 3D programs are far better. Waiting an hour to render a single image for a comic is shooting yourself in the foot just to use something that requires some serious PC upgrades. Average comic has 5-6 pictures a page and are 30 pages long (front and back). In the end it's simple math time vs quality. Either way images end up in Photoshop regardless of iray or 3Dlight. On a personal note if you have a KZbin channel and are looking for subscribers common sense would dictate to appeal to the masses, the masses being people still using 3Dlight over iray due to the expenses in buying a high-end computer. Something you may wanna consider.

[@bettythomas8660]

@@christopherflynn6743 Ahhh leave him alone, it's called choice! I've got a ole mashup machine & dying to try out dforce, but unfortunately I have to be a little match girl & view the wonderful stuff dforce can do from the other side of the 📺screen!..... Until I can afford to upgrade. 😏

[@baf_mcnab3065]

@christopher flynn But how close ? Are you trying to claim that biased rendering can yield results that are close to unbiased ? If that were the case then why did the industry push so hard to move everything to unbiased and why have so many of us bought RTX cards ?