DBD - Slugging Problem

[@Pretisy]

I said this before to my friends a long time ago, but here is my idea on how to fix it. If the Survivor is downed & the idle crows are above their heads they should bleed out faster for each one. Then they can do something cool with it, for example a fourth crow comes at the end, resulting in all 4 crows coming eating you. This would help prevent slugging from happening for too long for either party. But that's just my take, I'm not saying it's the best, but it is an idea.

[@Eelanos]

And then you reduce the killer's score by 5000 BP for each character bleed out, right? Because otherwise this is just a different version of the end game mori they added on the PTB where people were encouraged to slug to get high scores and a cool mori animation without hooking once. That was part of the reason they never implemented the end game mori. If you make the game end faster without score penalties by slugging everyone, you're encouraging people to do it more often, not less.

[@Mperez223m]

That actually sounds cool, thematic, and gets me moving onto my next game faster. I’ll take this change any day.

[@Rosanens]

Man, reading these comments is insanely hopeless. Pain can't state an opinion without killer mains disregarding and invalidating his own opinion. Guess everyone forgets that everyone experiences the game differently. Lot of closed-minded brains out there.

[@gatinhopretolp]

This randomly popped up on my feed and it's just entitled whining. He's losing the game so he wants the killer to do what he wants him to do because HE wants to move on with his life lol So lame.

[@Rosanens]

@gatinhopretolp Eh, I get that, but put yourself in his shoes. This is a game that he grew to love and has been playing for many years now. You load up a game, hoping to enjoy it like you did, and then you are put into 3 games in the row of the killer just slugging you to death. Look, I get the memo of just ignoring it and taking that opportunity to go to the bathroom or get a snack or press tab on your computer and watch a KZbin video. But you used that time to actually play dbd and actually play a normal game, so of course it can get draining and frustrating. You start to think to yourself, "Damn, what direction is this game going?"

[@thiefpotato2759]

​@@gatinhopretolp Someone got hooked (or DC'd) 3 times with only 1 gen done. The match was essentially over and its not entitled to wanna move on from a match that was over. Whats entitled is expecting people to lay on the floor for minutes on end to troll people?

[@gatinhopretolp]

@@thiefpotato2759 he got trolled because instead of continuing the game, he chose to down a pallet and jump over it repeatedly because he wanted to leave. He wanted to leave because he lost, which is in fact very entitled. Whine somewhere else, bro.

[@avatar5058]

They should have a timer that starts after all the survivors are on the ground and can’t get back up. If it hits a certain time, have something of an end sequence similar to when the gates are opened..? I’m not that experienced but it seems like it would help.

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

It would still interfere with perks like Unbreakable and No Mither. Honestly think they should just add a surrender button for both the survivor team and killer; that way survivors don’t have to wait until the bleed out timer runs out and the killer doesn’t have to take bming when all four survivors guarantee their escape. (With no punishment timer.)

[@avatar5058]

@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist Maybe so. I think that would be a good idea as well.

[@fed3758]

I think its stupid you can be forced to sit around for a minute I think maybe just make the last tiny bit of the bar take a full minute before youre able to recover

[@MrHuman002]

@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist Yeah, it would need to disable those after, say, 30 seconds of everyone being down, then at that point all survivors spontaneously die.

[@G0thSpic3]

This happened 4 games in a row yesterday, so I stopped playing for the rest of the week. :)

[@princessarcheon]

I mean the idea I see thrown around for situations like this has always been "Just make Unbreakable basekit". Speaking as someone who plays both sides, if the Killer refuses to hook up after downing you, they should absolutely be punished for that.

[@aroace7913]

Hell no, basekit unbreakable would be abused so much by sabo people for example.

[@princessarcheon]

@@aroace7913 I didn’t say I agree or disagree with it, just that I’ve seen the suggestion thrown around. There would of course be issues with trying to implement Unbreakable as a fix for this. There’d be issues with most ways BHVR tried to fix it. Due to how they’ve balanced the game I’m not sure they can do so in a way that won’t be somewhat problematic.

[@apocalypseap]

@@aroace7913 Maybe not that far as having Unbreakable baseline, but a base mechanic of two slugs helping each other up could nip this kind of toxicity in the bud. Two slugs should never be able to help each other in regular gameplay. The killer shouldn't let that happen.

[@aroace7913]

@@apocalypseap People could still abuse that.

[@Imnotgivingmynametoamachine]

Playing survivor in general has become a nightmare. My warmup match yesterday was me being hard tunneled by a knight player. It lasted 6 minutes.

[@weepingwalnut]

Solution is simple: If everyone is slugged or on hook, people bleed out 10x faster. Doesn’t invalidate slugging completely, and doesn’t matter in 90% of cases, but makes lost games quicker to end. (I think it’d bring the waiting after being dropped from 4 min to 24 seconds) Edit: Maybe 8x faster so that you can still pick yourself up with Unbreakabke.

[@FluffyPhoenix991]

Slugging happens to me almost every other game it is so frustrating and boring. An idea to fix the problem could be if all other survivors are also downed you could get 3 tries to pick yourself up in exchange for a bit of your health, just like unhooking yourself. Could work as a last resort option... or perhaps being able to pick up other downed survivors if both of you have been lying there for 20 seconds or more? Would force the killer to pick up one soon eventually.

[@DeathRebel369]

Yea, being held hostage is just one of the reasons why i left dbd.

[@BabysitterSky]

Really? It happened to you that much?

[@EvanSnowWolf]

Slugging is not holding the game hostage. It has a maximum timer of 4 minutes.

[@BabysitterSky]

@@EvanSnowWolf At the very end of the game like this and killer refuses to hook, that is 100% taking the game hostage

[@EvanSnowWolf]

@@BabysitterSky No, it isn't. Taking the game hostage is when the game cannot advance. The devs have said MANY TIMES slugging is NOT holding the game hostage because it has a 4 minute time limit. This claim is false.

[@BabysitterSky]

@@EvanSnowWolf Whatever you say man

[@clairikus9743]

This isn't slugging this is just unnecessarily keeping the match going by bleeding people out. Slugging is keeping a survivor on the ground to add to pressure when hooking them wouldn't, and is a totally fair and viable mechanic

[@PainReliever]

Slugging is fine, but if the game has already been decided, bleeding players out just wastes everyone's time. That's what I address in the video.

[@BitterSweetsss]

@@PainReliever the finisher mori that came in the pbe months back wouldve fixed this issue but they backed out on it going to live. I honestly wouldve loved having it in the game cause it just ends the game rather than witing for the 1 min of killers finding all 3 slugged survivors.

[@MrHuman002]

@@PainReliever The game hasn't been decided though. Someone could have deliverance, someone could have boilover/whatever, or someone could just randomly jump off hook. Someone could even have unbreakable and wait to the last second to jump up and get hatch, I've seen that one plenty of times. If the game disabled all those things, then the match would be decided.

[@cm4n63]

⁠@@PainReliever ...yeah but you're titling the video "slugging problem", as if slugging itself is the issue? it'd be like titling something "hooking problem", when really, the problem is tunneling.

[@clairikus9743]

​@@PainReliever Yeah I agree on that. I think your problem is more so just killers being assholes and holding the game hostage than what most people actually consider slugging.

[@MMDTrxsh]

Personally, I don't understand how killer mains don't see how this is an unhealthy playstyle for THEMSELVES. While not as bad, it's the same reason I don't like infinite tombstone Myers. (I prefer playing scratched mirror, myself.) There's LITTLE profit to this! Killers get their points for chasing, hooking, actually ENGAGING in the match. They're robbing themselves if they just don't do any of that and only bleed out survivors.

[@user-mr6tg1yw2g]

The Neckbeards behind this Killers don't care, the do anything to feel superior without doing anything.

[@sectoid-with-internet-access]

i think that people are taking the point of this video the wrong way because you gave up. yeah, you should have given up some other way like looking for the killer then running away, but either way slugging IS a problem. 90% of my matches are killers hooking one person then slugging the rest of us (or even just slugging everyone, no hooks). now i do admit that it might be fun for the killer but it’s literally keeping the game hostage. no objectives get done this way. it’s even worse because of the mori basekit. i do think that mori basekit was a good idea but some people have to ruin it. not even unbreakable can help with slugging at this point, you’ll just get downed again in 30 seconds max.

[@schmoferino]

This is called Chronic Winbrain. The only joy gained is either when you win, or when you fuck over your opponent. Truly engaging and interesting gameplay going on when you don't even interact with the core gameplay loop lmfao

[@LightbornCastles]

Someone’s going to take that sound bite 100%. You know the one.

[@Herman_Hedning]

I blame the finisher mori and all the nerfs to Gen Regression perks

[@Nobody-vr4oz]

Base kit Unbreakable with more time needed to get back up And you can lower time by bringing the perk

[@LightbornCastles]

I think if you’re on the floor for more than 30 seconds during endgame collapse, unbreakable should be allowed. Hell, 25 seconds.

[@Devious_Chaos]

The only way to fix slugging is give survivors base kit unbreakable.

[@rosea4592]

Slugging happens 7/10 games. Tbe dc penalty is way shorting then the amount of time people will be slugged on the ground because the killer wants his precious mori

[@plague6174]

If a Killer slugs you when you're doing shit like vault spamming because you give up too early and wanna die & go next, they know you're only going to just die yourself on hook and then leave your team alone with 3. So, if you would rather just stay slugged than take a d/c penalty and leave your team with a bot that is gonna be more useful than you, go for it, that's on you. OR, in my experiences, sometimes slugging a quitting survivor who I know is just gonna kts' on hook, after a bit it will make them rethink their choices and actually play after a second thought or it will just force them to take the d/c and leave the team with a somewhat competent bot who's gonna throw way less than a quitting crybaby player who's upset because they got downed within 10 seconds or whatever. A lot of Killers simply just have good moral these days for solo que players and feel bad when someone quits early. Now, in your case here in the start of this video, yeah it was shambles early, a death at 4 gens and 2 slugs.. Not much you can do there, other than just take the 60 second penalty and go next like you want instead of force yourself to stay slugged for maybe more than 2 minutes, because chances are the Killer will find the bot and kill it anyway, OR it gets lucky hatch. It's up to you, its ALL up to you, ALL literally your choice. Slugging is only a problem if you don't give the Killer a moral choice. Slugging is fine the way it is. You can't get mad at the Killer for having some sort of empathy for solo queue players regardless of the fact that their main objective is to kill y'all by any means necessary, and through EXTREME measures thats often done through camping/tunneling and EVEN THEN survivors will still b!tch. Mad when a Killer does their objective, and mad when a Killer shows empathy over certain inconveniences. ... Yknow what, survivors just cry man. All they do. I can't anymore. Killers? Proceed playing how you wish.

[@KryptidShadow]

I played 3hrs of dbd last night with thie happening. Every. Single. Match. It really is a waste of time. It's not fun. Having unbreakable or NOT. The thing is, they hold the game hostage and draw it out. Everyone is still going to die regardless. They hook you, they're just gonna camp or tunnel you out(most likely the 1st survivor to have an advantage, includng them killing themself). When I'd rather just go to the next match. It's horrid, and im not sure why it's happening so much this update even perks like exponential aren't as useful, map dependent.

[@lonetiger0774]

Don't understand why a give up button has never been added. There cant be basekit UB because survivors can abuse with flashlights, pallets, and sabos. killers slug for 4k's (On last two survivors) so much especially after all these changes that punish hooking (+10 sec hook timer) or reward slugging (last survivor mori).

[@SirGlacius1]

Some say you don't have the right to give up until you're out of the game. They say giving up, throwing a pallet and making explosions sounds every second is rude to everybody especially for the killer. Because people doing that clearly don't want to play so they shouldn't queue up. But what do I know... when they give up in my games I just try to end it fast, unless they're toxic.

[@user-mr6tg1yw2g]

I had a Killer leaving yesterday because i dared to run around a Trap instead of running in. I forgot he was entitled to get everyone in his Traps. The people here are insane.

[@xXSharkAttackxX]

I agree slugging's annoying, the problem is if there's some sort of just bleed out option. Survivors will just off themselves as soon as they get down by a killer the first time. Which screws over the rest of the team. So I don't know what a viable solution would be. Also, what's the killer's option? If you have three gens pop and you haven't even down anyone yet, is the killer allowed to just cut and run?

[@Deadly-Shunpo]

Nah, you absolutely need invalidate slugging as a 'strategy'. As it isn't a strategy, it's just blatantly refusing to the play the game with toxic behaviour. (Leaving one dude on ground to chase someone off, isn't slugging).

[@families9654]

It's been happening a lot since this patch like almost every damn match

[@Candidopp]

1:07 based

[@jimmygreenspan8832]

Base kit unbreakable

[@WalLuchs360]

I slug - because... i havent flashlight saves and toxic surv´s. The cry in the afterchat - but i win the game xDDD

[@DrEdge-jn2tr]

Just run no mither

[@journeytree]

Its crazy that people complain about waiting 3 minutes to die in a game where you literally wait doing generators for most the match.

[@Chaotic3x1]

I think they need to remove the DC penalty at this point. They added bots a while ago, so it's far less detrimental to the team when someone leaves and a bot replaces them. Now, I do think the game shouldn't mark that player as a Bot, either killer only or the whole lobby, either one. This way people aren't manipulating the bot. They can still show it as a bot in the end game screen. With the above change, I think they also need to remove the "Letting go on hook" mechanic too. This way the person can just leave and the rest of the people can still play the game mostly unaffected. Just update hook stages to be: Hook timer is 2 minutes and getting hooked starts the timer. Getting hooked second time removes 60 seconds. Second stage doesn't have struggle mini game anymore and is just the same as the first stage. Third hook removes another 60 seconds (aka kills the survivor). It's the same as it is now but there is no way for that person to ruin the game for the rest of the lobby by "letting go" since a bot can take their place and the players don't know it happened.

[@MrHuman002]

You can't allow them to kill themselves since that'll wreck perks like BloodWarden. The game also makes leaving all slugs on the ground optimal play, since if killer tries to hook, the survivor might have boilover/flipflop/powerstruggle, or might have deliverance, or might just jump off hook for no reason at all. I've had all over those happen plenty of times, and it's really annoying to have a game won with 4 slugs, only for one to get off hook or wiggle free and get all the other survivors up. And as a final thing, I'm sick of survivors wasting 2 minutes in the exits just so they have a chance to tbag the killer. So I'll stop slugging when it's no longer the logical/optimal thing to do, and also no longer a good payback for all the time survivors waste in the exit gates.

[@MrHuman002]

Forgot to mention the other survivor trick, laying there with unbreakable until the last moment before you die, or the killer hooks another slug, then jumping up to try and get hatch. Only way to beat that is to wait on the slug that has the longest bleedout left, and if someone else jumps up at the last moment you can pick up this slug, let them wiggle free, and stop the other getting hatch.

[@Loba_SaSuke]

I honestly do the same most of the time. I usually hook all the slugs if I have at least 2 gens left or if I am feeling nice and the survivors didn’t play toxic. If they are toxic then i wait for them all to bleed out and finish w End Game Mori. I am sick of these entitled people tbagging flashlights clicking body blocking hooks just to humiliate the killer. Every time I play a new killer is the same. I try to learn a new character? The game throws me these entitled sore winners who can’t give me a break. Yesterday was an example. I was playing a killer for a challenge ( I hate playing Trickster I just stress) and I get all these toxic people body blocking me, head on, flashbang who made sure to tbag me the hardest after my 5hook game. Funny enough, next match I queue Up as my Sadako. With my favourite slugging build, and guess who’s the enemy team? Yeah same people, this time getting humped at 3gens for 4 minutes straight. I do not feel sorry about anyone anymore. If I do ill give u hatch for being nice or being too much of a noob. I will slug with passion to make these entitled people feel as miserable as they make every baby killer feel. They can get fucked.

[@SiBORG.]

Dont listen to anyones sht when dc'ing. This game has become so trash to put it nicely. Played long enough and through enough BS from players and BHVR that i'll do what I want now. You got a problem? Tell it to the devs! Oh they dont listen? Your problem not mine. I'll eat a penalty rather than get less than 10k BP

[@fadez1]

dont complain about it. the dbd lgbtq subreddit will be after u LOLOL. this game is at its worse state rn its so bad

[@crosssquirrel4293]

Oh please, survivors also have killers kidnapped by not opening the doors and using flashlights and all the extra hits perks. And revival ones… cut them some freaking slack…

[@A_Weird_Angel]

Killers can open exit gates to start end game

[@tusami3315]

killers can open the exit doors and if survivors aren't doing gens then you just win eventually, sure some survivor perks are busted but I feel as though that's a separate issue when compared to leaving people on the ground for 3 minutes just to waste time

[@apocalypseap]

Not comparable at all. Those require interaction at least. Slugging is NON-interactive. You just don't do anything to them and you delay the game over on purpose. People should not be playing a game to not interact with the other players in some way.

[@MMDTrxsh]

I find it pitifully hilarious that this entire argument was shut down by the fact that killers can just open the gate themselves. I was going to come in and state the fact that most of the time, survivors are being kept from opening the gate by the killer! Why would the killer WANT the gate opened? Sure, the match will end, but with them closed, that just gives them more power for hooks.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

We don't have a slugging problem. Killers are NOT required to pick you up. And I'm tired of the same people whining about "getting time wasted" being the same hypocrites that will happily spam crouch inside the exit gates for the entire endgame timer.

[@calebw992]

Doesn’t the game revolve around hooking each survivor twice? Like I thought that’s how killers get rewarded the most pips and BPs. Also it’s very easy to stop t bagging survivors at the exit gate, just hit them out lol. Imo, that’s not comparable to having to wait 4 mins to bleed out.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

@@calebw992 It's comparable to the compaint of "having time wasted". Survivors can sit in the gates but can't alt tab while they bleed? 100% hypocrisy.

[@schmoferino]

Slug killers when they have to interact with the core gameplay loop:

[@masterloard]

To be fair, I dragged a game on as Doctor for almost an hour once by running High Stimulus Electrode (back when it doubled the range of your shock) along side the Interview tape, as well as running overcharge, so I picked the 3 gens that were closest to them and then spent the next hour rotating from one to the next, walking maybe 5 feet each zap and getting people every time they worked on one, and keeping shocking as I made my way over to kick the gen so they'd have to regain their sanity. They couldn't make any progress, but I couldn't catch them either, because if I chased them, they'd almost certainly have won. I dragged it out so long I won because they all quit.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

@@schmoferino If the core gameplay loop is chasing a survivor through shack into an open window into a double pallet setup into an L Wall/T Wall? YES.

[@BenjaminRegen]

I don't understand why you stopped trying. Survivors in the dying state can crawl away so that the killer can't defend both of them as easily. Aren't you able to pick on of them up to try for a comeback? As a killer player I don't just give up when defeat is certain. What is it you're trying to solve w regard to slugging?

[@PainReliever]

If a survivor is dead at 4 gens, it's game over against any competent killer. My ally killed himself on first hook this match. And I'm not against slugging necessarily. I'm against bleeding players out when the game has already been decided.

[@BenjaminRegen]

@@PainReliever I seldom leave a survivor on the ground for long, and maybe I'm just a vastly inferior killer, but I've had a single survivor turn things around and ended up losing 3v1 when matches looked like they were all over. As a very competitive person, I almost never give up. I'm not saying that's always the best move, but I also think giving up too soon is a far worse mistake. In any case, I avoid playing survivor, so the griefers I face are all on the opposing team.

[@apocalypseap]

@@BenjaminRegen Just because you don't do it, doesn't mean there aren't others that team slug and purposely wait despite getting more BP from actually hooking.

[@BenjaminRegen]

@@apocalypseap In this video even tho it would have been hard, I still think Reliever had a shot at turning the game around. Instead they just self-destructed.

[@orliwoolf]

If this was any other videogame I would most probably agree with you, making a comeback from a game that looks lost is one of the best feelings if not even better than a normal win That being said, I dont think DBD is that kind of game anymore, unless you are going against newbies (or non tryhard players) I feel the pace of each game is set on in the first minutes and getting a person down by self dead on hock or disconnected super early really screws the game so hard that even having the 3 best survivors in the world would make it unplayable. Game always feels like its more about who snowballs, and while there are killers that can make comebacks from getting 5 gen rushed I dont think the same rule can apply on survivors.

[@Maximusls2400]

How is it a problem when survivors troll excessively lol, slugging exist for a reason

[@apocalypseap]

Can survivors not interact with the killer and waste 4 minutes of killer's time? No? Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@jacobfranklin3040]

slugging isn't a problem slugging is a strategy 1 killer against 4 survivors you'll do anything to get 4k also slugging is a great way to counter all those annoying second chance survivor perks I don't find slugging wrong at all it's a play style just like how gen rushing is play style