DBD Twitter: Otz Hate & Made For This Discussion

[@daityme2093]

It’s very simple. Killers can build against it if they want blocking off pallets gens and getting bloodlust. I use made for this and it is not overpowered. Plenty of counters and biggest counter is fearmonger. Just leave it alone. Also this guy apparently thinks that the people disagreeing didn’t watch the video and don’t play killer. He sounds hurt asf cause he can’t finish his chases. The same way how he has his reasons for thinking it should be removed there is going to be another side with fair points against him but all he wants to do is get hurt talk shit and make assumptions. Also you don’t know what’s good for the game just because your heated about the situation you sound like a little girl this whole video. Stop complaining

[@Aydreinn]

Pin of shame. No one should be this dumb. Bro probably thought old dead hard was fine too lmfao.

[@im_diabetic2112]

Tbf shouldnt make assumptions, although can i point out he complained about killer add ons more then made for this itself? He isnt biased and didnt even out right say made for this has to go. The main issue in my mind is that it does to much, stacking endurance etc. and i feel like he was saying similar

[@hjoburnett]

Bro are you fr right now? The problem isn’t that the chases are lasting longer from the speed boost. Otz’s main point was the endurance giving survivors too many health states, kinda like old dead hard. This literally counters like half the killers because they have to M1. Also, you shouldn’t have to build against a certain perk. If it’s that strong that it needs to have a build to counter it, it’s too strong. In addition, bloodlust is supposed to be a last resort. Made for this makes basic loops add extra seconds and strong loops infinites. Dead by daylight is a game of seconds by the way. The endurance alone can add minutes. Why combine two strong effects? That’s the issue. Finally, two last things about your argument specifically. Can you give some other counters other than fearmonger. We need slightly more evidence than one counter. Lastly, don’t tell anyone to not complain. You literally just complained too. Say what you want, but don’t tell others the opposite.

[@lonedogg4857]

The fact that your only argument for the perk not being op is to build around it, proves the point of how strong it is.

[@Tu_Padre.]

Ok since its not overpowered, I will bring all gen regression meta perks, i will constantly tunnel and and camp the hooks. This isnt overpowered, like you said just bring counterpicks. Youre also not allowed to be butthurt over me doing this because im just playing the game and you dont know whats good for the game, only the devs do.

[@gigacoffey8853]

who let this guy speak facts🗣🗣🗣

[@Dr_Minty]

Bro is straight cooking rn 🔥🔥🔥

[@Meno-Sports]

The reason people on Twitter hate Otz is for the description you gave at the beginning of the video, he's dedicated to what he does, he is a kind and wholesome person, those mf on twitter don't have none of these qualities, they waste their life judging others, they have nothing going on with their lives.

[@foggwin2531]

Watching some of those survivor mains play killer usually just involves tunneling, camping and slugging to the extreme. They are usually the first ones to cry about those when they are survivor.

[@Faireepowder]

As a survivor main I don't do any of that like 90% of my games and still average a 3-4k 💀💀

[@GodlyStormz]

The problem is there’s no ranking system in this game so everyone can give their terrible opinions, people get to talk to Otz as if their opinions hold as much weight as his even though they’re probably not even close to his skill level or overall knowledge about the game and its balancing. Imagine if this was overwatch or something and bronzes were spewing out nonsense like this lmao, they’d get shutdown so fast. Also it doesn’t help that matchmaking is completely dysfunctional.

[@BurtisCurt]

What do I really expect from Twitter

[@shruiyaku]

People need to get off otz back. All he did was just state his thoughts about the perk. But people had be negative about it

[@eclectic9969]

Otz has even advocated for a sloppy and stbfl nerf lol

[@darkillusionists2595]

He didn't really advocate for them. It's just the possibility at certain patches that he might think that it could be a bit strong. But other than that, as time goes his opinion changes too.

[@FinalFrontier101]

I got more of a problem with how MFT is being used by SWFs and in Solo Q. SWFs will just use it to become more unstoppable and add an extra layer of endurance on top of anything else they're running. In Solo Q matches it turns into a thing like the 3 genning and Eruption meta, but it's reversed that now the last 2 survivors will run MFT and loop for millennia or stack it with hope and a bunch of other speedy crap. So it's like you can find the survivors but you just can't catch them without a 10-20 minute chase almost.

[@Aydreinn]

Yeah it's incredibly strong with SWFs. It's especially strong in shack paired with resilience, and now it's even more strong with the new vaulting buff. M1 killers bouta sell the game at this point.

[@jamesb9592]

I just hate that mft + new vaults just fuck with my timing because it felt like only 2-3 weeks ago I was hitting stuff I’m no longer hitting. Just mad frustrating

[@DeadByDaz]

Let this man cook 🙏

[@Mikaelanator]

The hate that he gets is insane, you only need to watch a few of his streams to notice that he is knowledgeable and genuinly cares about the game in general. He constantly advocated to remove hook grabs because they weren't healthy for the game, I don't see any survivor main complaining about that. He had very valid criticism about old eruption and old painres, and constantly mentions how broken many killer addons are. Great video!

[@KazielMurasaki]

til this day i see people who thinks old deadhard was fine

[@Aydreinn]

As much as I love Scott, I remember awhile back hearing him say something along the lines of "DH should be base-kit." Probably his wildest take yet.

[@Timely7]

yes I agree. firstly it is a video game by otz saying whatever perk is op doesn't mean he is attacking you personally. As a fellow survivor main I think the changes Otz proposed was actually balanced and the devs should implement the changes he is wanting to be added. On a side note, not to be rude or anything but out of pure curiosity what is that white thin on your left Eyebrow? is it light coming from a window or white paint? I gotta know it's been bugging me as to what it may be.

[@Aydreinn]

It's a skin condition called vitiligo. Makes my skin w h i t e in any area it touches, including hair.

[@fobo3361]

Twitter user: "all otz does is pretend the games survivor sided" Otz: *shows examples of him criticizing aspects of killers* Twitter user: "check mate, those aren't perks those are addons" Like yeeeea, good job, those are indeed addons, some would even say they're killer specific perks, y'know given how perks make a certain aspect of a killer stronger, same way addons buff a certain aspect of the killers power, the mental gymnastics it takes to genuinely think they won that interaction cuz he showed addons and not perks as if they're not basically one in the same is crazy 😂

[@nosiume8275]

As someone who played killer and survivor competitively with thousands of hours of experience on both roles it always makes me mad when i get told that bloodlust is problematic or some dumb shit opinion that just shows they don't know anything about the other role and they still won't listen when I explain calmly why they're wrong with facts and logic. Anyways thanks for the video mate really is nice to watch :)

[@Aydreinn]

Yeah bro I HATE when people complain about bloodlust existing. People view chase as a 1v1 thing and completely forget it's a 4v1. While you chase one guy, 3 others are on a gen. Killers absolutely need to catch up, or all gen stopping pressure is lost. It's like all these survivor mains want killers to be super underwhelming so they can have fun.

[@ilyaz5543]

otz "hater" here i simply dislike how he dramatically narrates the best case scenario for some perk's effect (such as bloodhound recently) like it happens every single time while his gameplay videos are honestly absolutely boring, i'd rather go play the game myself, altho being honest i haven't watched many and when i do tryna watch i come across videos like 3 gening skull merchant and some "evil knight build" that consists on the same strat he gives some decent introductions to newer players but eh tldr otz exaggerates a lot when talking about stuff which make them seem like absolutely broken/amazing/op/whatever

[@JaxsonNute2005]

Mft resilience can make infinites which is crazy

[@SamJonesS4mmyd48ull]

Myers' teachables should all be his basekit. He'd be so much more fun and nuanced. Imagine a Nemesis build, with baked in STBFL and PWYF.

[@Aydreinn]

If that were to go through, STBFL would definitely need a little nerf. After they reduced the recovery speed of hitting a survivor, I'd say that's the one killer perk that could use a lil tweaking. Also if they reworked his tombstone add ons, I wouldn't mind a change like this at all.

[@SamJonesS4mmyd48ull]

@@Aydreinn the tombstones need a rework that gives some chance at real counterplay no matter what, but I think the state of the killer's power and the overall state of the game, make Myers mains feel like an insta-kill option is a necessity. I would love it if he had more options to increase the strength of tier two Evil Within, that would be interesting. It's the only part of Myers's gameplay cycle that really feels like he's just some guy, with a knife.

[@stellart2259]

Spitting straight facts, my guy. MFT is the most baffling perk I've seen. You give survivors a PERMANENT speed-boost, not on a timer, not behind a condition, just a straight reward for killers playing the game and THEN decide: "Hm, this perk needs another effect! tee-hee, why don't we let them gain endurance too?" In the words of AVGN: "What were they thinking?" It feels like such a random choice too. Slapped endurance on a perk for the hell of it and saw nothing wrong with it! The fact that as a killer you can get into situations where you can't punish survivors for dumb plays that happen *inches* in front of you is beyond questionable gameplay. I can't comprehend how some survivors can defend this perk.

[@iceoreo1]

get this video a million views rn

[@im_diabetic2112]

I main survivor because i suck at killer. I know how frustrating all the bull shit is. Dbd is a game that has a balance of survivors and killers both have broken shit. The issues present because not everyone brings the most broken perks or add ons. I just use calm spirit, autodidact, dramaturgy, and some other perk 98% of the time so i dont have much experience with most broken shit

[@Kaoraku]

I watched whole night your videos. I loved them. And what I loved most that as a survivor main yourself (as I understood) you see the bigger picture, and rub those entitled one's noses into their stupidity...

[@CyanideNationTV]

oh, dropping the hard R slur in there. Classy. Also, huge Otz fan since I started playing DBD years ago. I can still be objective when I think he's wrong. And recently, Otz has been whining WAY more than usual about everything and anything... Except of course, when he's USING the same shit he whines about while playing with his buddies. I play killer, and yeah, sometimes I get absolutely ROLLED (Cheesus knows I got slammed playing Slinger just tonight). MFT can be strong in the right hands, but most of the time it makes survivors WAY too cocky and makes them fuck up more often. Can it be frustrating at certain moments? Sure, but so is going against a sweaty killer running the Demi torture build (Plaything/Pentimento/Thrill/Face the Darkness) and no one's whining about nerfing those. Also, Otz has Nina. You can stand up now.

[@Aydreinn]

So much for not watching an "ableist" lol. I'm sorry but you are just wrong. It doesn't matter if he's whining more often, and it especially does not matter if he uses those perks with his friends. I use MFT with hope and I 100% agree it's absolutely busted. Valid criticism of the perk doesn't just disappear because he's using it. People being cocky and making mistakes doesn't make the perk less valuable. The main focus of the perk is when used correctly, AND used with hope & resilience. Relatively decent/semi coordinated SWFs can take advantage of this perk by a ridiculous amount. Also, no one complains about the annoying hex build you mentioned is because you sacrifice all gen regressions to run it. If all of your perks are hexes, it's not a good build. Bad comparison imo.

[@rickytoogood498]

I don't see it as whining, more as wanting a game to be fun and balanced for both sides. I love how your comparing MFT , one single perk that gives you a 20+ second (based on RNG) longer chase than if you didn't, to one SPECIFIC killer build which takes up 4 killer perk slots, has no slowdown and varies on RNG, and the killer. How about actually getting good at looping and not needing MFT. I bet you said old dead hard was balanced as well. Lol. Make sure to zip up my mans pants when you're done.

[@Elite_Wo1f]

Bro was cooking in this video. Otz is in the right tbh, MFT is stupidly op and needs endurance gone or a rework

[@deadtrxz696]

its crazy that people can hate otz hes one of the most down to earth popular streamer that acts like he isnt famous icl

[@Fluflebuny]

I saw the video Otz made and have my own experience using it and playing against it. I definitely play survivor more than killer nowadays because I have friends who want to play with me all the time, but I do still enjoy killer when I’m alone. First, I agree with Otz. The haste by itself is annoying, bearable but annoying, but the endurance is even more annoying to point I’d compare it to nails on a chalkboard. As for haste stacking, I feel like it should still stack, BUT only during the first part of the trial. So MFT, Blood Pact, Dark Theory, and the Teamwork haste perk can stack until the exit gates are powered. Once that happens, haste on all those perks deactivates for the rest of the game, and Hope is the ONLY non-exhaustion haste perk that can be active in endgame. Those are just my thoughts about it though, I’m open to discussion

[@dovasvariakojis6934]

It’s crazy to me how sensitive Twitter and the DbD community is. They hear one little thing which they don’t agree on, and they jump on it like savages. It’s comical

[@bigmo3381]

Yes let’s gut every survivor perk

[@sleep-_-uwu]

He did talk about how the blood rush is so broken and after it Released no one uses it

[@sleep-_-uwu]

But mft tho should be nerf because dead dwag main build is abused able

[@Aydreinn]

I remember that lol. I guess on paper it sounds insane but it ended up not being as impactful as we thought.

[@sleep-_-uwu]

@Aydreinn but I love otz tho. I watch him when he used to do pubg content

[@chillidan5696]

The thing with Bloodlust is that it's supposed to be a last resort to catch survivors, not a crutch... but back then, DH was rampant though

[@dommassa2667]

@@sleep-_-uwu Same happened with Scavenger, literally gutted into the trashbin after his complaint video

[@Magic0neGaming]

"only perk I see is erruption" yeah cuz killer gets shit nerfed before it goes live or are mediocre perks that are situational af meanwhile survivors get all the good shit. As someone who has been playing since 2017 most of the time when a chapter drops and I see the killer perks I'm like "meh they're pretty ight" and then I see the survivor perks and I'm like "YOOO THATS ACTUALLY SO GOOD WTF!!" Like man killers have to put up with so much bs and then when you're just playing an m1 killer like ghostface and want some survivor shit nerfed survivor mains start seething like "BUT BLIGHT AND NURSE EXIST JUST PLAY THEM SO SWEATY KILLER MAINS COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTH-" Like bruh I want blight addons and shit nerfed as well tbh but man that's not what I'm talking about cuz I ain't playing blight!!! Eruption and gen kick meta was probably the only broken thing killers had in terms of perks...

[@vinnie4609]

Im so glad im not using twitter

[@r9coil]

imo as a returning dbd player, killer addons impact way more than perks. all i’ve seen recently is jolt, bbq, noed and ruin but i see so many different addons being used that make the games so much more different than perks themselves

[@thingpoo9306]

killer perks are pretty balanced, but when they are combined for example 4 gen slow downs it becomes unbearable for survivors. but the same thing can be said about survivor perks like hope and made for this, it is really frustrating to go against. so really both sides have the same problem

[@dzikq5953]

Survivor mains when they say they playing both sides aka they doing 1 daily challange for the killer and they come back to playing survivor for 8h

[@QiyanasWife]

I love how you revert all the twitter bullshit to them lmao. Good video, keep going.

[@omomay02]

As a “survivor main” and someone who has seen the otz video I completely agree with the majority if not all his points made in the video, i think some careful consideration on the balance of made for this needs to be made

[@Majin_151]

Dbd twitter hates dbd content creators and always try to smear them

[@This_Is_Burnsey]

Gained a sub lol. Speaking facts

[@Blahh77]

“Made for this” isn’t OP imagine someone uses it right in front of u to heal another survivor from dying state…imagine just hitting the person they healed (the one without endurance) and waiting out the 10 seconds or whatever of endurance before hitting the other survivor 😐😐🤯 “made for this” countered. And if killers really needa whine about having a couple more seconds added to their chase just get better bruh or switch characters. The skill floor for killer is way lower than it is for survivors. In theory if both killer and survivor in chase r playing perfectly the survivor only has to make 2 mistakes to get taken out of the game (maybe more if you talk health states) the fact the killer can be petty and make the game miserable for survivors is whack. I think survivors need all the help they can get especially for solo que cuz things r only “broken” when survivors r on comms, and even then it takes skill

[@Xynbar]

LUL I thought this video was funny for a lot of reason, but yea Twitter is like first world problems glorified to the public without having to show your face. These people say whatever they, dunk on whoever they want, hate on whoever they want cause anonymity is such a beautiful thing. These people are probably genuinely insufferable people irl who probably don't have anything going on in there life besides lets make whoever is on my screen in the moment miserable for next to no reason. I hate Twitter with a passion and I really wish people would keep a majority of things to themselves.

[@carnoteam382]

W from you as always

[@EvolvedDinosaur]

Why does it look like there is a light perpetually on their eyebrow

[@Aydreinn]

I have vitiligo bro 🥺

[@blkwdwr]

its such an easy solution imo just disable made for this when exits are powered that way teammate haste perks will still work and ppl can have fun with those and then there will be no bs made for this + hope combo in endgame nor will there be any endurance endgame. am i missing something? bc i dont like the idea of made for this not stacking. i think it stacking specifically with hope is the issue since neither deactivate. unlike boons bloodpack or teamwork perks

[@avrandlane2735]

made for this is op, its like old dead hard. its not OP when one survivor has it but 100% its op when all 4 surivvors have made for this. it needs to be nerfed if all 4 survivors are running made for this the perk should have slower ms % like 1%.

[@TR-cr2xj]

as someone who plays both roles and is bad at the game, i can say that it’s only op when it’s used against me lol

[@TroubleSZN]

ngl killer is broken and thats coming from someone who plays it with no addons its super easy to win as long as u remember killer is always better its rare i struggle in a game unless i keep making mistakes and even then i can still bring a game back alot of the time in the endgame or u can just use noed and almost always guarantee a win the game needs to be more fun instead of nerdy

[@zacattak4837]

How many hours do you have? And on average how many hours would the survivors you go against have? What you're saying does not line up with skillful survivor and killer gameplay.

[@TroubleSZN]

@@zacattak4837 hundreds of hours in high mmr lobbies buddy u need to get better if u seriously think killer is so hard if u struggle in games then obviously ur nerdy way of thinking isnt as skillful as u think have fun with it dont stress urself out over getting outplayed by good survivors understand what loops u win what loops u dont and force a survivor into a bad positions also sloppy and save alone is enough to get a lot of pressure and some quick downs

[@zacattak4837]

@@TroubleSZN I have 1100 myself which I know isn't a ton compared to a lot of people. on average the survivors I go against more often then not do know how to play the game efficiently. If you're going against an efficient team playing killer isn't some cakewalk. Of course there are the occasional bad teams where I could have won with no add-ons or perks. However my experience with games I've won against good survivor teams would not have been "super easy" without perks or add-ons. A lot of times I'd say I wouldn't have a chance. Just because you hold yourself back does not mean survivors will. Once you play more I'm sure you'll realize what I'm saying, regardless of your opinion I've enjoyed this chat. Take care

[@Aydreinn]

Yeah I was also gonna ask the same thing. How many hours, and what killer are you playing? Any killer main with AT LEAST 1,000 hours of experience with that role will tell you that against a coordinated team, killer can be so unbelievably stressful.

[@TroubleSZN]

@@zacattak4837 yeah those are the games u struggle when going against a team that knows how to play well together but with sloppy and save u can quickly flip the narrative of a match and maybe its my mindset that lets me b more successful then I should b since i go into every match knowing im better or killer is really good when u know how to u

[@darkron288]

This is the same conversation we had MONTHS ago when scavenger rightfully got a nerf, instead of blaming content creators fro a problematic perk being nerfed blame the perk itself, otz isn't some magical killer main that can wave his finers and ger survivor perks nerfed

[@n_729n]

I feel like made for this should give 100% movement speed thank u

[@Aydreinn]

100% not enough. Definitely should be 250

[@catboykay]

real.

[@Aydreinn]

Thank u cheezeStick1738

[@Augmenta_Lunae]

Alien is introducing a new killer perk that gives haste on-hit. I think they are introducing just as potent perks for killers as made for this is for survivors. I don't think it's always about nerfing, and sometimes it's better to just buff the answer. I'm excited to play against more M1 killers when that perk drops with the xenomorph.

[@Im_33_years_old]

I hear it's going to be crazy good on pinhead and clown, because they dont need bloodlust for hits or something of that nature.

[@TappedWalnut]

Buffing to keep up with strong stiff is a bad way to balance, that's powercreep material. Also, that new xeno perk is not really a counter. ONLY if the aurv stays at the loop, which you shouldn't.

[@Xane875]

The answer to one meta perk shouldn’t be another meta perk that counteracts it. If they cancel each other out more or less, it’s literally just a perk tax at that point to play a neutral game. And then of course if one side has their perk and the other doesn’t, it’s punishing the side that dared to play with the perks they wanted to instead of the meta. This take is just not it. I mean, that’s basically what they did when they added Shattered Hope into the game, and it’s not like that ended up helping the boon meta at all. Literally no one ran it because it was a perk tax that may or may not even do anything in a match. And then of course rather than making Shattered Hope base kit like they should have, BHVR nerfed Circle of Healing to the ground.

[@Im_33_years_old]

@@Xane875 i personally would have all non meta perks buffed into meta tier, just like irl, technology is always advancing never going backwards, competing against each other.

[@Xane875]

@@Im_33_years_old You're literally just describing balance by power creep, which is rarely if ever healthy game design. In essence that's an arms race, and I don't think anyone is arguing that world piece via mutually assured destruction from nuclear warfare is an ideal base for world peace, it's just far too late to turn back now. Powercreep in video games works much the same way, Dead by Daylight included. Yes, an ideal game state would be one where every perk is good and has a use case. But if a perk is too strong with regards to the metagame, the solution shouldn't be to make every perk equally as overpowered, it should be to tone that perk down. No one is disagreeing that a game where every perk is good is better than one where every perk is mediocre, but you're errant in thinking it's such a black and white issue. There are nuances. There are contexts where nerfs are genuinely the right call. If you buff the core gameplay of both sides through a singular optional ability for each, you just put the game in a prisoner's dilemma. If both sides bring those perks, they're both slightly worse off for it because neither of them are getting value. If one side brings their meta perk and the other doesn't, the side that doesn't suffers disproportionately and are being punished for something that isn't their fault. And then of course neither of them might choose to bring the perks, but that involves trusting the other side to hold up to their end, which as per the prisoner's dilemma, rarely happens. It'd be one thing if it were the basekits getting buffed, but saying it's fine if both sides are getting perks that are strong but directly counteract each other in a game where you only get four perks to begin with and opportunity costs are high is just ridiculous.

[@boiiiiiii5741]

Survivor cry all the time that's the reason why content creator don't wanna talk about killer issue.

[@leviathan9865]

you already know the ppl with the most absolute L takes are always the ones that have some "girlboss" looking twitter profile using the same 2 gifs in every tweet

[@Dennisses_]

I think he gets that amount of backlash bc behaviour actually always listened to him in regards of changes + Problematic Killers like Blight still do not got any attention even tho everyone of the survivors is complaining. The ignorance of devs really annoyed certain survivor mains I think. Madde for this is frustrating to go against, but the game was balanced around dead hard for a long time so certain loops would not be playable at all without it or made for this and now the devs need to find a solution to this.

[@edwardmartin3549]

I’m going to tell you the same I commented to otz, he had one good suggestion in the entire video he did for MFT. Notifying the killer when a survivor has MFT after they have hit a survivor. Everything else garbage toss in the trash, just killer main bitching.

[@forsaille4655]

*Made for this user detected* *Opinion rejected*