DC Future Roadmap Shows Next Steps In James Gunn's Plans - The John Campea Show

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[@ryenwthomas]

I love the quote, “Superman is a man of kindness in a world where kindness is old fashioned”. This is just as hopeful as “believe a man can fly”.

[@BichaeldeAngelo]

It is sort of funny in the sense that “believe a man could fly” nowadays is like “yeah…I believe that, pretty easily actually”

[@Andorski]

There's this great KZbin video that covers the Fleischer Superman cartoons, and at the end of the video the creator gives that the absolute basic core description of Superman: "He's not an alien... he's not a god. He's a dude from Kansas, doing the right thing."

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

Idk. That gives me the impression they’re going to make an over correction and turn Superman into a naive idiot who doesn’t kill under any circumstances. That’s a mistake imo.

[@Andorski]

@@raphaeldelaghetto85 That's basically Superman Returns. Then they overcorrected by making Superman dark with Snyder's Superman. A good writer can differentiate kindness from naivety. I think Gunn is well equipped to pull that off.

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

@@Andorski I hope so, but it’s easier said than done. Most Superhero adaptions seem to over play the “no kill” rule as an easy way to convey virtue. Hopefully Gunn finds a way to thread the needle like the MCU did with Steve Rogers. Superman and Cap should have a very similar moral compass.

[@hokagemark.]

"He is kindness in a world that thinks that kindness is old-fashioned.” FINALLY someone in charge of making a superman movie who understands who superman is.

[@IamBrixTM]

Exactly. They appreciate the character for who he is, instead of changing him because they think he’s “boring”

[@johansvensson833]

and that worked so well the last time (superman returns)

[@victorrivera6012]

Yeah kinda the Ted Lasso of heroes.

[@clarkspacewayne2672]

@@johansvensson833 That was direct sequel to Richard Donners Superman. This is a different story, with a different team

[@paulmaynard1384]

​@Clark Space Wayne Not sure many people got that fact at the time,i still enjoy that movie

[@miguelfmyers]

The Dc slate made me want to buy comics again,as soon as I heard the news I went to my local shop and grabbed two authority comics. Very excited for the future of Dc films. I also love the mixing of well known characters and unknown charcters.

[@Mupeta.]

I think the Court of Owls deserve a live-action adaptation as well. They are so menacing and seem like the perfect challenge for the bat family.

[@grim_2000]

Maybe they'll show up in Reeves' Batman films

[@SuperCrazydada]

If only we have a Bat Family. :")

[@artboymoy]

I think if they bring Damian Wayne in he'll already have been trained by the League of Assassins and may have already killed. Even if he's the 10 or 11 year old, he'll be like X-23 in Logan or Hit Girl. They will already have the skill and have a maturity beyond their years. What the boy needs is guidance like Erin said.

[@alexl.4362]

Damian Wayne is a Beast

[@sneakyfox5]

I am SO excited about this. Justifying why a scary grown man would bring a kid to a gun fight to the public?.. easy.. By bringing the most badass Robin to date. This is the best way to go. I am so stoked! Counting down the days now!

[@Bacbi]

It will certainly go a long way in having people accept that Bruce brings a pre-teen with him to fight criminals. Having been trained all his life. I do hope though that we can still get a slightly bigger bat family than just those two. With Dick already having become Nightwing. Given the time frame of batman having had to deal with Ra's at some point early on in his career. And the movie picks up 10 years later. That should make it possible for Bruce to have Dick become old enough to leave for Bludhaven and depending on how many bat family members they want to have possibly even Jason or Tim (you can't have both) and Barbara even if they don't show up in this movie. I wish that Damian won't be the first Robin. To me it just adds to Damians character that Robin is a title that he wants. Because he almost views it like a rank the same way the league have ranks.

[@artboymoy]

@@jwolf1585 Well, he been trained like Bruce was trained, only younger and more deadly.

[@johansvensson833]

​@@jwolf1585 but x23 was suppose to be 16 or something

[@thescumbagofnewyork9397]

Rob's comments on how the news has brought civilizational collapse into the zeitgeist really do feel resonant. I'm amazed by how positive his demeanor manages to be.

[@Lucas-cz5to]

Maybe you didnt really get it, news doesn’t equal”bad”

[@thescumbagofnewyork9397]

If I'm understanding your comment correctly, I know news doesn't inherently equal 'bad'. However, a painful amount these days does feel foreboding- and it's not just what we're seeing covered to drum up ratings.

[@idislikebadreviewers]

The New slate is DCEASED to me. not sure WTF creature commandos or the authority are or why we are going back in time to explore Wonder Woman or why Amanda Waller/Peacemaker/Mrs Gunn are being kept or why Ezra Miller might be staying. I loved Chris Reeves, I loved Chris Bale and Keats, I loved most of the Snyderverse, I loved the Joker. besides the possibilities ogf Batman Movie, Superman Movie, Supergirl Movie and possibly Green Lantern TV show. this is a 💩🥪 Can't wait for Antman Quantumania!

[@idislikebadreviewers]

@@panthergod correct. I WAS a Dc fan from 1978 to 2022.

[@kendallandrews8691]

@@idislikebadreviewers Your loss. Gunn >>> Snyder

[@JordanNMovies]

In Gunn’s announcement vid he seemed very excited. He’s someone who’s passionate about comics and knows how to tell great stories. They didn’t give release dates on everything but I assume it’s a slate from 2025-2028. We’re gonna be entertained the next few years for sure.

[@jabezcreed]

One of the most inspired parts of the DCU announcement is definitely the fact they put a name to the phase. It adds a mystique, a hashtag, a tool for fans to track and wonder about what is coming next.

[@randallguzik3764]

The Superman art is from All-Star Superman-Frank Quietly. Superman for All Seasons was Tim Sale.

[@Daisymayspeaks]

Me and my brother are excited about every single thing we have not been this excited for anything superhero related since the Batman. We weren’t planning on going to see the new Shazam movie, but now we are. We’re especially excited because the introduction of Damian Wayne means that more batfamily members are going to be introduced. And we won’t have to introduce a new person every single film. Which is something we’re both excited for.

[@AlkalineInsides]

This definitely makes Shazam a little more interesting again to go see. Because although The Flash resets things… it leads into things like Blue Beetle which will be a part of the DCU. So it’s all just exciting.

[@nightwing2228]

People don't realise the potential of Damian in DCU Batman story, it will show the morals of Batman properly and probably Nightwing and Batgirl will be in there too

[@michaellambrese1291]

Great show today as always! Love the insight you and the crew bring to each topic. It’s days like today that I really miss Schnepp!

[@flaminggmonkeyss]

he's adressed and seems to be working on fixing exactly what most have been asking for, im stoked!

[@ccandmore]

1:51:20 I like how this is now a running gag.

[@AlternateEndings]

New drinking game idea: Take a shot every time Rob says "Dude, come on."

[@raguirre773]

Or, "look"

[@Delzinski]

I think the James Gunn's brother will be the new Batman. Don't forget Weasel is still alive.

[@matthewakian2]

45:24 You're getting me excited Rob.

[@BryenMiller]

I think Glen Powell would be a great Booster Gold... He's 33 so I think that would still work

[@djcowell91]

For discussion's sake: Your argument for Elseworlds is that you don't need to know the continuity for it. However, they're debuting it with Joker *2*, and Batman *2*. So within the Elseworlds umbrella, there will be different streaks of continuity that you need to know? And how do they interact? Does the existence of a Joker series preclude Joker from the Batman Elseworlds Series? And then there will be a third one in the main continuity? I think it's going to get messy because it's already started without a guiding vision...

[@thundercron77]

That's All Star Superman art, Rob.

[@teth-adam]

Why does everyone think Supergirl in Flash is the Supergirl Gunn is talking about? I mean her costume kind of hints that she is Lara Lane-Kent.

[@jonny9884]

I'm hoping the Swamp Thing film helps open the door to The Spectre; a personal fave.

[@kianfarahani8444]

I dont know why erin should talk shit about men....

[@juangabrielruvalcaba2888]

People love to say that James Gunn knows comic books, and I’m sure he does but he only knows and understands the ones that he likes

[@TheIconoclasters]

Like everyone else.

[@ninjastyle916]

Honestly Gunn is pretty much contractually obligated to say Flash is great. What you expect him to say oh that 200 million dollar Flash movie? Its fucking hot garbage don't waste your time. He HAS to do damage control for the next year or so until all of this is wiped clean. That being said, I do hope it's good even though I don't want Ezra Miller back

[@FakeFriendsForever]

Usually producers don’t say that type of stuff about their blockbusters.

[@deadhappy620]

Hear me out.....Pete Davidson as Booster Gold

[@jefnyssen1937]

I feel like Damian is the only Robin they could actually let start as a 12 year old

[@croKingRIncho93]

Warner Brothers thinking this is good idea is beyond stupid. Just adopt something from animated universe. Give me Batman and Robin, give me Superman and Braniac, give me GL and Marsian Manhunter space movie. WW assembles the team and leads them vs Darkside. That's it ffs. Build from that... Overthinking it again. It's all over the place. No plan here whatsoever. Just adopt something popular! Keep it simple

[@TheAlrightSpider-Man]

jensen ackles is red hood jared padalecki is nightwing I’m calling it now

[@jaysettle1987]

Paradise Lost is what I am most interested in.

[@johngrayson9218]

Batman’s not gonna take Damian into battle. Damian’s gonna be a danger to the city, and Bruce has to take him on as Robin to keep him in check. And yeah, I think he’ll be 10 years old, which can work perfectly (see Logan.)

[@andreacamp936]

Keeping Ezra but getting rid of Cavill??? That's 🗑️

[@jokerz7936]

Are they? Yes Flashpoint is being released it's made but there isn't any films or tv series with Flash that's part of Gods & Monsters.

[@aidanfoley6463]

Once again, since people are still not understanding this for some reason. WB is NOT keeping Ezra

[@jokerz7936]

@President Joseph Biden You know when Ant-Man was announced many people thought "Who the Fuck is that?".

[@johansvensson833]

they never said that

[@FakeFriendsForever]

It’s Ezra’s movie. Why would they fire the star of The Flash while also promoting the movie😂😊

[@matthieucote2272]

We don't know when the Waller show is taking place, maybe before the events of Flash that will restart everything, unless I missed a detail.

[@iamsheep]

The Batman age difference makes sense when there's an "Elseworlds" younger version of Batman....

[@flexchan]

With Supergirl. Does that mean we're going to get Brainiac? I'm super stoked if we do.

[@mattwilliams1168]

Now correct me if I am wrong but I watched the press release from Gunn twice. It certainly seemed to me both Aquaman and Blue Beetle films are taking place after flashpoint and part of the new DCU, at least that's how it came across to me.

[@my5head]

That part is a little confusing, but what I understood from the video and press interviews is that Blue Beetle is new enough to stay in the new universe, and Aquaman might happen in the middle of the reset? They're saying Aquaman may continue to finish a trilogy, but also might not. My guess is it will be considered Elseworlds if it continues.

[@Traveler89_89]

Jason momoa is staying on as aquaman. He will also do lobo and possibly some voiceover work for animated projects and some other projects. He has spoken on this. He is a part of the new DCU. Only person not coming back is Superman Henry Cavill. Toby Emm erich wanted him gone after justice league 2017 and that window for him has come and gone unfortunately. But these shows and films look like they’ll be great. Especially paradise lost project and Lanterns.

[@grim_2000]

It's the IRL release order, not the in-universe chronology. Aquaman comes last. They will decide what to keep & what not to keep, based on projects' performance

[@JoshLange3D]

Great episode guys. Sorry to hear about that Universal issue. Need to get Alex Ross making some movie posters for this DCU campaign! :)

[@phosimmie]

I still need them to do a FULL REBOOT not a “soft” or anything other, but a FULL REBOOT. I need new everything. Start from scratch.

[@tmovies92]

Erin was talking about Mark Paul Gosselaar as Booster Gold, I got an even better one. the Actor who played Zack Morris' son on Peacock's Saved by the Bell Revival! He's the right age for the role & he's had a relationship with WB because he played a Young Ed Warren in The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It!

[@btbcc12859]

Batman and Damien must look like father and son and not brothers

[@jmgmedia45]

@5:21 “The collapse of civilization is in the zeitgeist” Oh, i’m using that one. well said RMB

[@LunarSovereign]

If they're doing Damien Wayne in BatB, I really hope that means Nightwing and Redhood are present. If they don't tell the Red Hood story that's fine, but Damien has always come after Dick, Jason, and Tim.

[@the6thalex381]

I think Guillermo Del Torro wanted to make a swamp thing a while ago or a dark justice league movie.

[@z5m2]

Why didn't they release Aquaman 2 first, and then reset everything with Flash?

[@musclesforsupes]

Still don’t understand if you get rid of Cavill but keep others that is bizarre. If you keep Ezra does his Flash know something is up?

[@ryenwthomas]

I mean why not? We don’t have a clue about the behind the scenes drama, I can certainly see a younger Superman and just because he’s young doesn’t mean everyone else has to be.

[@johansvensson833]

the only one confirmed to stay is viola davis the other were more like "open to it"

[@FakeFriendsForever]

Because Flash’s movie is coming out, doesn’t make sense to promote a Flash film but also firing the star

[@Socr8tes77]

Honestly I think John is the only one hung up on Robin’s age. I know plenty of 11-15 year olds that would kick a grown mans ass

[@extraordinarymomentswithba3046]

Robert is an excellent co host. Love his thoughts and opinions

[@robbuck5783]

We are finally walking away from “The Dark Knight” I’m ready for the Dynamic Duo! And if I want the darker Batman, we got Pattinson

[@Daisymayspeaks]

I’m hoping whoever they cast of superman has a country accent I just feel like it’s finally time for country boy Superman

[@venomsymbiote7555]

I’m excited to see what James Gunn has planned for his JGDCEU👍👍

[@vishalramadhin1261]

Dcu* not dceu again

[@ThompsonBrosStudios]

the one im most intrigued with is creature commandos and it's unfortunate its not live action...

[@farradinarc2693]

I'm sorry to be so pedantic, but that cover is from All Star Superman. Both of those stories encompass the tone that I think RMB was talking about, so he's covered in that respect.

[@boredbread8534]

Would stephen lang be a good pick for rick flag sr ? I ask cause im unifamiliar with sr but im thinking a hardened military vet character like Miles Quaritch seems like a fit to play rick flags dad.

[@matienazemy1382]

I’m really looking forward to The Authority and Booster Gold. Never heard anything about them. Booster Gold, however, seems like it’s gonna have a ton of comedy and heart.

[@vincentsolis5149]

Assuming Flash is as good as people are saying,🤞 Andy Muschietti directs Superman Legacy. Affleck is my runner up.

[@thomashenderson2797]

Marvel should make an MCU Dark for r rated material for punisher, blade, ghost rider, etc

[@avid4d15]

Why was it okay for The Batman to be dark and gritty but Man of Steel gets criticism for not being joyful? I enjoyed the Snyderverse being more adult than the MCU

[@my5head]

Because not all characters should be the same tone. Adult themes don't automatically need to be dark.

[@avid4d15]

@@my5head there’s an opinion that all the MCU is the same tone, which is why I enjoyed MoS having a different tone.

[@my5head]

@@avid4d15 but all the MCU isn't the same tone. Just this last year, there was Moon Knight, Doctor Strange, Ms Marvel, She Hulk, and Black Panther. You could say each of those had varying levels of comedy in them, but tonally, each was very different from the other.

[@Lucas-cz5to]

@@my5headno, i think they all do have the same tone

[@my5head]

@@Lucas-cz5to then you either don't understand what tone is, or you're one of the people with a predetermined opinion about anything Marvel related before watching. All of those quite clearly have different tones from one another.

[@jakegittes1864]

That Superman comic you and Gunn showed was All Star Superman, not Superman For All Seasons, correcting Mr. RMB.

[@12starship]

I would love them to to do a batman gaslight movie

[@johnsalvi2273]

Can we please get Brainiac? I'm tired of Lex Luthor for sure.

[@francisyang9997]

Should Gunn have said, “Flash is a horrible movie” , so the studio he now reps loses money 😂😂😂

[@FakeFriendsForever]

Usually directors and producers don’t overhype their big movies like that though.

[@francisyang9997]

@@FakeFriendsForever yes they do…. He’s Kevin Feige now… All Kevin does is overhype Marvel.

[@FakeFriendsForever]

@@francisyang9997 Kevin Fiege has never said “this is gotta be one of the greatest superhero movies of all time” to any MCU big blockbuster. Not even once, what Gunn said about Flash is actually true to an extent.

[@francisyang9997]

@@FakeFriendsForever let’s wait until the movie comes out, and then we’ll see if Gunn is a businessman.

[@ThompsonBrosStudios]

I am kinda surprised by how many projects were announced that I know nothing about. And so many "team" movies too. really a strange lineup to me, I'm curious how they plan on making it all work...

[@AlkalineInsides]

By making sure it’s written properly. James Gunn made The Suicide Squad work better than the first one. He made Guardians Of The Galaxy work and no one knew who the heck they were.

[@ThompsonBrosStudios]

@@AlkalineInsides look I get that, but that worked in part because marvel had a lot of momentum behind it. Guardians is a great movie, but would so many people have gone to see it if marvel hadn't established the rest of the MCU first? Even if guardians was successful without the rest of the marvel films, would guardians have been enough to build all of marvel off of? It seems like a lot of relatively unknowns for this first chapter, all I'm saying is it seems a bit risky, but I'm optimistically intrigued and hopefully it pays off for them.

[@Traveler89_89]

There is no one way to success. Remember that. If the first project hits it will snowball and build momentum. Nobody thought aquaman was gunna make a billion. Nobody thought Joaquin phoenix would be joker and make a billion dollar film. Don’t be stuck in a box. Anything is possible. History should already tell u that.

[@IamBrixTM]

I feel you. I don’t remember the order but I hope the heavy hitters like Batman, Superman, and Wonder-woman are the first out of the gate.

[@phosimmie]

James Mangold to direct “the brave and the bold”? I mean he did great directing X-23 Damien ages 9-11

[@johansvensson833]

not happening wbd is never allowing a 9 year old figth crime

[@mattmcallister6542]

It’s all star Superman not Superman for all seasons

[@dakotajones674]

Fuck me. I’ll say it. If Ben affleck directs brave and bold.., from that script… with Jensen Ackles as Batman WHO IS 44…… FUCK ME. Hot damn.

[@_jakewebber_]

Damian Wayne aka Hitgirl

[@johansvensson833]

but she was still over 15

[@TrickyMcnickle]

I think y’all are giving this whole elseworld thing way too much optimism .

[@akiralight51986]

I know it would give us three different Batmen but I want a Batman Beyond movie in Elseworld

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

EPIC 🔥 the slate is phenomenal !

[@jon9385]

It would be cool if there was multiple of every hero and villain but only one Amanda Waller.

[@polo8apg]

Love you guys! Love the show!

[@RochelleWilliamsreads]

How likely do we think it is that we'll get Season 2 of peacemaker?

[@scottthomas6937]

Seriously - Alan Ritchson as BATMAN would be incredible.

[@Traveler89_89]

He be would be awesome. I hope they reach out to many from the titans and doom patrol cast. They’d be great in the DCU

[@Chillwill618]

I feel like he could have been a great aquaman you know strong and badass blondish hair but he definitely has a Batman frame might have to dye his hair lol something about dirty blonde hair doesn’t scream “darkness in the shadows”

[@FakeFriendsForever]

Nooooo

[@PaoloGiovanni]

If the do bring in all the Robins in to a Batman series of DCU films, the might need to do it in the vein of Bad Santa, Bad Grandma, and Bad Moms by making it into a dark comedy. Maybe the name of the series could be called Batman: Bad Foster Dad. Just kidding, of course. Looking forward to the new films.

[@yagopacheco2855]

Feige is on record saying he changed his plans after the announcement of Bvs and greenlighted civil war. Just saying

[@dv4497]

Good rollout of DC content and I trust Gunn, but definitely not a fan of Damian Wayne. I think Dick is a far more interesting Robin and I've generally preferred keeping the Bat fam to just he and Batman. Bruce having an army of kids fighting crime has always just seemed a bit off to me.

[@dv4497]

@@jaggedarts33 Sure, but I find his relationship with Bruce to be far more interesting, which we won't get a ton of if he's off doing his own thing as Nightwing.

[@my5head]

@@dv4497 not necessarily. I thought the Arkham games did a wonderful job of showing Bruce's relationships with Dick, Tim and Jason with very few scenes between them all.

[@egalart]

I’m not sure if they mentioned it here but they talked about Amanda Waller being someone who remembers what happens after Flashpoint, but funny thing is Booster Gold actually did remember everything that happens after Flashpoint

[@Mumraw_]

I think a lot of people missed Gunn said Blue Beetle "IS" apart of the DCU. Which would mean Blue Beetle is sticking around and with adaptation could mix it up with Booster Gold.

[@keaton3174]

I really like the hybrid release. Drop the premier and second episode to get people hooked and then follow the week to week. Sometimes only having the premier episode just isn't enough but I don't want to have a full dump to binge and then have nothing new to look forward ot.

[@thebigarn]

I think what Rob said kind goes with rest of the new DCU. They will wait to announce Jason M as Lino until after Aquaman 2. and with Shazam and Flash coming soon they don’t want to rock any boats and will just a bland answer until this last slate of films is over. I’m super bummed there’s no season 2 of peacemaker on the horizon even if he shows up in other properties.

[@nnanna1439]

Cautiously Optimistic!

[@geoffbache9897]

This wasn't even full chapter 1 slate, just part of it.

[@extraordinarymomentswithba3046]

My favorite show about movies!

[@j2174]

Lobo could make a cameo in Supergirl since its taking place planet hopping. He could also then show up on Earth eventually, hunting Superman, and reveal that Supes is not the only Krytonian.

[@jaysettle1987]

I’m disappointed that it’s not a full reboot. They’re keeping James Gunn stuff but getting rid of Henry Cavill and Gal Gadot? Not fair.

[@paulreyes7815]

The only thing I don't know much about is the Authority I'm definitely going to have to do some research but looking forward to seeing everything

[@mjkcomposer]

If you replaced Ezra with Barry keogan no one would even notice

[@thecrimsongem7954]

Calling it now- Jason Mamoa as Lobo in an elseworlds movie. He gets the best of both worlds, to play Aquaman and Lobo? Come onnnn

[@my5head]

I think the opposite will happen. Aquaman will become Elseworlds and Momoa will remain as the DCU's Lobo.

[@extraordinarymomentswithba3046]

John please dont retire make appearances and let Rob and the rest of the cast takeover

[@RioYugo]

would love mcconaughey as batdad & chalamet as damian

[@leechtlazuli5891]

52:42 correct.

[@wkadalie]

Make Damien like Hitgirl from Kickass.

[@r.l.9711]

Glen Powell Booster Gold calling it right now if not typical Chris Pratt

[@Daisymayspeaks]

Hey, on the topic of Kara my dear dear SuperGirl I have to say my favorite version of SuperGirl has always been whatever she is just bitter and angry. I don’t know why, but like she’s a lot more entertaining when she’s like bitter and angry at the world.

[@naminabantu]

I think the higher ups in DC believe that superman was the biggest weakness in the old DCEU and they want to completely remove everything and everyone associated with everything superman from the old DCEU. The general audience would associate him with "dark" and "emo" superman even if he's grinning 24/7 with a sky blue suit, curled hair, and bright glowing red trunks while saving cats from trees 24/7.

[@Amoraszune]

Wonder what that laughing after the end tag was about?

[@tjhardin1687]

I look at the Waller, Mamoa and so on thing like the Dame Judi Dench thing in Bond. Same but different character in a different Bond film series.

[@AlkalineInsides]

This was so much more refreshing and less negative than hearing Grace Randolph complain the entire video lol. (Though I do respect her. Enjoy her sometimes)

[@TheAMSport]

Remember the 90 cartoon .REBOOT..LOL..I love it what they doing going forward..as for Flashpoint..they can do it like Apokolipz

[@OutsideTheRopes]

I think what separates Marvel Studios is that they do stay within continuity in a shared universe. It’s kinda there thing. I don’t think they should change that. Now what I would like them do try in a secondary Dark label that’s separate.