DC Studios Movie Slate Reveal REACTION! James Gunn DCU Chapter 1 Gods and Monsters, Superman Legacy!

The James Gunn DCU movie slate is revealed! Here's the full DC Studios Chapter 1 movie and TV slate and my reaction to 'Gods and Monsters' - including Superman Legacy, the Wonder Woman prequel show, The Batman 2, the Batman and Robin movie, the Green Lanterns HBO Max show, and more!!
1:09 Creature Commandos
2:57 Waller
3:39 Superman: Legacy
5:06 Lanterns
5:54 The Authority
6:46 Paradise Lost
8:19 The Brave and the Bold
9:26 Booster Gold
10:26 Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow
11:47 Swamp Thing
12:38 Aquaman 3
13:27 Elseworlds - The Batman, Joker 2, and more!
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[@TevyaSmolka]

I am very excited for this new slate

[@yourconscience650]

I disagree on the Wonder Woman show, I have a feeling it will Blow up, even award winning. don’t forget this post 😁

[@arvinthkumar841]

I'm excited man, variety of different shows/ movies here that all will be connected properly, also remember this is not the full chapter 1 slate, so I'm expecting a Justice league movie at the end

[@arvinthkumar841]

And James Gunn already said that he LOVED the Mister Miracle( tom king run) so I'm sure he will do it in live action too so that will probably introduce New Gods

[@DCComicsGamer]

I agree, possibly a Trinity movie too!

[@willjohnboy]

And this is just part of the full slate.

[@DCComicsGamer]

I know!! Just how big is chapter 1 going to be then?! Exciting!

[@willjohnboy]

@@DCComicsGamer my guess a 5 year chapter similar to marvel phase 1

[@TheCell111]

I disagree that the dc is the better universe,marvel has the better universe,and the more exciting one and the mcu tone is varied and has become more varied the ever,more so then dc. Black panthers tone is nothing like she-hulk'sor wandavision is nothing like eternals.The mcu has horror recently and will do more like marvel zombies that's rated r.

[@TheCell111]

More Than Just The Same: MCU Head Kevin Feige Says All Marvel Movies Are 'Relatively Different' As popular as it is, one of the biggest and most enduring criticisms of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) is how similar many of its entries are to each other. Minus a few exceptions, cynical viewers think that Marvel movies are interchangeable, with the only differences being the hero's name and which Infinity Stone the villain was holding. In response, Marvel Entertainment head honcho Kevin Feige defended the MCU, saying that the movies are in fact, different from one another. Feige Talks About Marvelous Differences While talking to Uproxx about the upcoming #Marvel movies that include Thor: Ragnarok and Black Panther, Feige acknowledged that the Marvel movies do tend to feel similar to one another. For the producer, there's a perfectly logical reason for this, and it's unavoidable given the tightly-knit group of writers responsible for bringing popular Marvel comics to the big screen. "I mean, I think it's just the way we make the movies. I think all the movies are relatively different. I think there's a narrative that people like to write about because they're all produced by the same team and they all inhabit the same fictional cinematic universe. That we look for common similarities." While not downplaying the criticisms and similarities, Feige doubled-down on his belief that the Marvel movies are distinct movies that just so happen to be a part of a greater cinematic universe. To prove his point, the producer cited the most recent Marvel movies that have noticeably been aiming to do something outside of the usual Marvel formula. "And I'm not saying there aren't common similarities throughout it, but I think 'Thor: Ragnarok' and 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' are two totally different types of movies. They're both fun. People both enjoy them. Is that a similarity? If so, I'll take it. If that's a criticism, I'll take that, too. But really, yeah, 'Homecoming,' 'Ragnarok,' '[Black] Panther,' into 'Infinity War,' 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' after that. And a '90s-set 'Captain Marvel' after that; these are six very different movies.If what they have in common is they're all really enjoyable and fun to watch, then I'll take it." When asked if Thor: Ragnarok, which is being marketed as an inter-galactic road-trip, was the craziest that Marvel could get, Feige reassured Uproxx's Mike Ryan that #Ragnarok - and by extension, future Marvel films - will be a Marvel movie that fans would not be expecting. "The truth of the matter is I think they're all unusual and I think they all seem to be funnier than people expect. People said the same thing to me about 'Guardians [of the Galaxy],' people said the same thing to me three months ago about 'Spider-Man: Homecoming.' But, certainly, this is the one that we followed our instincts into comedy unabashedly." by Colossus1980 People always like to throw out that world formulaic as if there's a guarantee to make a movie a box office success. If it was true every studio would do this and ensure ongoing franchises all the time. 2017 saw a lot of franchises crash and burn. Where was the formula to ensure their success? by Jokerz79 You keep talking about how the DCEU films are art and their filmmakers are allowed to create their art and vision unlike the Marvel movies which are simply formulaic. But you're wrong the Guardians are very much James Gunn's vision and art the awesome mix tape was his idea, taserface was his idea, he gave Lloyd Kaufman a cameo same with Taiki Waikiki and Thor Ragnarok. Even the Avengers films have a lot of Whedon in them and it's very obvious when comparing the Avengers in Civil War. Yet for all this talk about Snyder's vision the most widely seen version of BvS was the theatrical cut which was butchered by the studio so they could get a shorty run time for more viewings which ironically no one came back for once seeing their hack job and Justice League is clearly not his vision or why want a director's cut? Story wise the DCEU is no more ground breaking than the MCU as for artist vision Marvel and Disney have allowed their directors to put their own stamps onto the properties and unlike WB Disney actually showed the Directors visions for the films in theaters. El Lobo Uchiha1 hour ago MCU is smart because they knew Hero Films were eventually going to get old. Reinvention is key, for any creative project. MCU decided, hey there's no such thing as a hero genre [I disagree but whatever]. Let's make our character's who happen to be heroes be in different movies, like a coming of age movie, a political thriller, a heist film, a war film, a nostalgia film, a redemption story, a buddy cop film, and et cetera. That's smart. MCU is going to last a while because every film feels new. It doesn't feel like, oh another hero film, nah it's like oh an old western, a space adventure, a nostalgia trip. I mean, I'm excited for Captain Marvel cuz it feels like a 90s nostalgia trip. I want that. (+)

[@TheCell111]

MaRVEL is not struggling with their tone,it's DC. by M. Stewart3 hours ago QUOTE- I agree that DC should not copy Marvel but this idea that DC is “darker” and more artistic is weird. Marvel was traditionally the more realistic gritty universe. Gwen Stacy, Tony’s alcoholism, Miller’s Daredevil, Claremont X-men hell even much later with Morrison’s X-men. DC followed Marvels lead and tried to adapt to Marvel’s style with New Teen Titans and the hiring Frank Miller for Batman and then struck gold with Alan Moore Swamp Thing but the dark approach never fit well with their core heroes other than Batman. Morrison’s JLA was fun but didn’t ring true and since the nth reboots it’s been a disaster. Wonder Woman worked but was not Dark but the opposite of dark is not necessarily comedy. There is adventure, heroism, optimism bright colors without devolving to a joke a minute (tbf I loved Thor Ragnarok). Marvel movies work because they mostly don’t insult your intelligence. Motivations mostly make sense, characters are consistent, the actors take their roles seriously, there is attention to detail. Whether you make a fun movie or dark movie doesn’t matter. You still need to execute. The cell Quote- Thor Ragnarok did not have jokes a minute by the way.

[@TheCell111]

SHAZAM Trailer is a Huge Hit BUT Some Think its a DCEU Betrayal Pegasus 112710 hours ago Betrayal?? LMAO. Who ever the fuck thinks that is no actual "DC fan". (And should do some research about the character before jumping to conclusions.). And no, not every film from DC is going to be "light hearted" and "comedic". This will all depend on the characters and their story. Basically....the opposite of the MCU. Just A Fork6 hours ago Pegasus 1127 the MCU has WAY more diversity than DC films have. Ever since Batman Begins it's been the same thing over and over again. Infinity War was extremely dark, sure it had some jokes, but most movies do. Jurassic Park has as many jokes as Infinity War and it was dark and dealt with important themes as well. Justin K14 hours ago (edited) In some ways, The Dark Knight is the worst thing that happened to superhero movies, because everyone tried to copy it without paying attention to the fact that, like Sammy said, its dark tone, which was really more grounded than it was “gritty,” was earned through established characters and relationships set up in Batman Begins (an underrated movie overall) and even in that realism it also wasn’t completely humorless like BvS was, because PEOPLE MAKE JOKES IN REAL LIFE! You can’t keep using the Nolan trilogy as the gold standard of dark superhero stories if you continue to completely misunderstand hoooooowwww it worked. Justin Lopez14 hours ago (edited) Justin K That's probably why the MCU has been so successful, they weren't trying to copy them but instead did their own thing. If the DCEU didn't hire Zack Snyder and didn't try to mimic the Dark Knight Trilogy then they probably would have been better off than where they are now. Justin K14 hours ago (edited) Justin Lopez Precisely. And now it looks like the DCEU is trying to take an anthological route, where its movies are only as connected as they want them to be but they aren’t constrained by an overarching story. And that’s not a terrible idea, but it’s embarrassing because that’s clearly not what they wanted to do at first. They just have to backtrack now because their initial attempt to catch up to Marvel failed so disastrously. ctl698513 hours ago Justin K Its frustrating to hear die hard DCEU fans try to claim that Marvel is only for kids because they're lighter yet they have deeper context than the DC movies so far. Being really serious isn't being adult if the characters don't act like adults or say stupid dialogue. Trying to make them so dark calls attention to how goofy everything is Justin K13 hours ago ctl6985 yeah I’ve never liked this connotation that all MCU films are childish. It’s just not true. C Wilson12 hours ago It's not frustrating, it's hilarious seeing DC fans cry like bitches. Marvel redeemed Iron Fist, and just had a sequel to Ant-Man; game over DC. Joshua Munn12 hours ago This is especially timely considering The Dark Knight just had it's 10 year anniversary and Warner Bros. 10 years later still doesn't get what made TDK good for the time it came out: a majority of what made the film great was Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker and the whole mystique around his performance and method acting, as well as his death over 10 and a half year ago (jeez). If it wasn't Heath Ledger, if he hadn't of died, things would not be where they are with TDK or DC in general. Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk came out before The Dark Knight and were slowly changing the game in the same way the dark knight did, spawning the MCU. 10 years later look at Infinity War, it's flashy comic book action, looks like a real comic brought to life, and it's basically brought in another era of comic book films. Trying to constantly replicate the dark knight in an age of GOTG just doesn't work anymore, it didn't really work when they tried it with Watchmen either. Now they've especially messed things up with the DCEU, Arrow started out more dark and angst ridden before the flash show came out. The Dark Knight was once in a lifetime basically because of Heath Ledger and his performance and death that was the main reason people were so enamored with the film in my opinion, and lightning can't strike twice. Tissan Young9 hours ago Honestly bro. I always say MOS was overly depressing for no reason, but people always give me shit for that. Henry Cavill’s Superman is all mopey and stone cold when there’s nothing about his life that would suggest that he’d end up the way he did. There are so many other versions of Superman who have his same struggles and problems but still actually have some kind of happiness in their lives.

[@TheCell111]

Why Marvel Should Explore Elseworld Movies Of Their Own part 1 Raphael De La Ghetto16 hours ago (edited) Marvel doesn't need an Elseword b/c their main universe is already set-up to explore a variety of different stories as is. No need to copy the guys that screwed up Batman v Superman and Justice League. Ryan16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto Hahaha your right. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto Nah I think that would be an amazing thing if they did for the same reasons that John likes the idea. Raphael De La Ghetto16 hours ago (edited) The two kittens Entertainment inc He's wrong... #1 DC is only exploring this b/c their main universe is a shit show and nobody cares about the current versions of their characters. #2 Contrary to popular belief, the MCU does not overly constrain their directors as evidenced by films like Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thor Ragnorak. #3, John mentioned "standalone movies". The MCU is filled with standalone movies. All of the universe building stuff is almost always background Easter eggs, organically woven cameos, or post credit scenes. They don't need an Elseworld to tell great stories b/c they're already doing that. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto but those movies aren’t great at least in my opinion they are ok at best. Going to else world stories and holing nothing back on the dark and gritty stuff that’s what’s going to be good u know because most comics are dark. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago (edited) Raphael De La Ghetto but those movies aren’t great at least in my opinion they are ok at best. Going to else world stories and holing nothing back on the dark and gritty stuff that’s what’s going to be good u know it will be a really good way to tell the stories that they can’t show on the big screen in the and can’t mesh in to the mcu because most comics are dark. And yes The Netflix shows are dark but shows go on too long or get canceled and there budgets are limited, so elseworld movies are the best way to go. Raphael De La Ghetto16 hours ago (edited) The two kittens Entertainment inc They're great to me... & the "dark and gritty" Marvel stories are being told on Netflix. Another reason they don't need an "Elseworld". The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto yes The Netflix shows are dark but shows go on too long or get canceled and there budgets are limited and can’t make them come to life that good, so elseworld movies are the best way to go. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago (edited) Raphael De La Ghetto and not everyone likes to watch shows so that’s also another reason why they should make elseword movies. Pegasus 112715 hours ago Lol what's left of it that is. Spiderman will eventually go back to Sony. (Who are doing a great job with their own universe). Half of the old mcu characters are pretty much done after A4. And they're starting off their new face of their existing universe with Captain marvel..... who's already complete trash. And no one gives a shit about. So many great stories/opportunities were wasted thanks to the "team up film" cycle. The dceu started off bad for obvious reasons, and now they're heading in the right direction. And having an else world selection of films does give audiences (and even studios) more freedom to explore unknown characters and bring great stories to the big screen. Without messing with their current universe. Either way, the MCU is obviously not gonna take that route.....but they'll eventually regret not taking it. Raphael De La Ghetto15 hours ago (edited) The two kittens Entertainment inc lol, The main reason Elseworld stories even exist is to explore alternate versions of existing characters. The MCU doesn't need to do that b/c people love the current versions of their characters. Any good alternate version is best utilized in universe, once the actor playing said character decides to step down. If we're talking about characters that haven't been introduced yet, there's still no need for an Elseworld since Marvel has consistently and competently introduced new characters in self contained stories that are still part of the greater universe. The two kittens Entertainment inc15 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto dude yes I know,u can have both and yeah alternate versions of characters idk about u but that sounds awesome and shit gets me excited just think of the possibilities it’s endless anything could happen and that’s what I like about the idea. The two kittens Entertainment inc15 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto and yes when the characters step down they can replace them and be different but that is just one, only one of endless other versions of the characters so they can’t do to much with that and of corse it has to continue going. The beautiful thing about else world is u can tell a story very very different from the current one and when it’s over it’s over and u can then have a different story with the same character in a different setting, and that is awesome. The two kittens Entertainment inc15 hours ago (edited) Pegasus 1127 yeah I what ur trying to say and I agree with u on the elseword stuff , but idk They didn’t make the best choices with there universe but they are the most successful so u got to give em a point for that although they are overrated I liked almost of them but most of them are just ok movies Bryanne Peguero12 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto two of those show are dead lol Raphael De La Ghetto12 hours ago (edited) The two kittens Entertainment inc That's the thing. After Infinity War, the MCU is already set up to do anything. The only reason Warner Bros is pushing the "else-world" concept is because they screwed up the main universe and they don't want the stench of the DCEU on all of their upcoming projects. Slippin' Jimmy11 hours ago But the MCU doesn’t allow for a ton of variety in terms of style and tone. Great films like Logan or Deadpool would have NEVER been made if they were in the MCU. It’s also can be potentially limiting in terms of story possibilities. A director or writer might have a fantastic idea for a story but can’t do it because it could contradict something from another film. The MCU restricts all of their films to fit within a confined space. There’s too much pre determined lore and canon. Filmmakers aren’t giving the luxury to start fresh. Look at something like Ant-Man. Edgar Wright left because his ideas weren’t “consistent” with the MCU. It still turned out pretty good, but cmon you can’t deny that Wright’s version would have turned out WAY better.

[@TheCell111]

Why Marvel Should Explore Elseworld Movies Of Their Own- part 2 Raphael De La Ghetto10 hours ago Slippin' Jimmy That's just not true. The style and tone of the MCU is plenty varied. Winter Soldier is an espionage action thriller, Ant-Man is a heist comedy, Black Panther is an Afrofuturist sci-fi fantasy, Infinity War was unlike any other movie before it, I could go on... Hell, Iron Man 3 is a Christmas action movie. On the Deadpool thing. Let's not forget how that came to be... Fox had no vision for the character. The leaked test footage went viral so they gave them a 50 million dollar budget. It was a low risk high reward gamble that paid off. Contrary to popular belief, the biggest strength of the MCU is the fact that they never over-invested in continuity. They generally leave the world building stuff to post credit scenes and all of the Easter eggs that fanboys obsess over is never important until it needs to be. Yes, they have certain parameters that a filmmaker must work within. Every studio does. (ie. Ryan Coogler wasn't gonna able to kill T-Challa in Black Panther). Aside from that, they've provided enough freedom for several directors to make some of the best comic-book movies ever. I don't see that changing. Slippin' Jimmy10 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto There’s some variety in the MCU but not a lot. Yes, Winter Soldier is somewhat different from Ant-Man, but they still share a lot of similarities. They all have a very similar look, feel and tone. Just mildly twisting the “genre” isn’t enough. The circumstances of which Deadpool was made is irrelevant. THEY STILL MADE IT. I don’t see the MCU lining up to make any of these types films. If they’re so “easy and low risk” why isn’t Marvel making any R Rated comic book movies? Let’s not forgot how the MCU came to be either. Marvel had no vision for the Avengers. X-Men and Spider-Man, the characters they WANTED to make movies with, were owned by other studios. So Marvel had to think outside the box. It’s the exact same situation as Fox with Deadpool. Also, who do you think MADE they leaked test footage? It didn’t just materialize out of thin air. Someone at Fox had to authorize the test footage being made. Plus, It’s been heavily implied multiple times that it was purposefully leaked to gain buzz and attention. Again. It’s not an EITHER/OR situation. It can be BOTH/AND. Yes, there are benefits to having a shared universe. Yes, some great stuff has come out of the MCU, some of the best of the entire comic book genre. That doesn’t mean it’s the only way comic book movies can be done right. I don’t understand why people are so against this. If they do any else world film and it sucks, oh well you move on with your life. If a movie that’s part of a large cinematic universe sucks, it could potentially sour the entire universe. Raphael De La Ghetto8 hours ago (edited) Slippin' Jimmy Some of the stuff you said is just blatantly false. "Marvel had no vision for the Avengers"? That was the plan from the moment they started to make their own movies. After 10 years and 20 good-to-great films, the MCU is perfectly capable of processing a flop and moving right along. No one is going to be soured on the whole franchise if the Eternals movie sucks. For Marvel, making an "Elseworlds" is a needless complication since they've built a world where they can tell any story they want to anyway.. and if it flops, they'll just ignore it like they did with all those ester eggs from the Incredible Hulk. DC on the other hand is throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks. That's why they're leaning into Elseworlds. It's so they can tell audiences. "No this isn't related to those awful movies you didn't like." Pro Bot6 hours ago (edited) @The two kittens Entertainment inc well the people who don't like to watch shows can suck it. They're the ones missing out.

[@Almost-Infamous]

This is incredibly disappointing. I do not have much faith in this new DCEU.

[@willjohnboy]

Its only part of the slate new superman new batman, swamp thing and a new supergirl who's not just superman in a skirt it's big W and the authority could be amazing plus having Damien as Robin clears grayson to be nightwing jason to be red hood and tim to be red robin.

[@gabrielp9646]

@Almost-Infamous - I don´t agree with you, at all. We have pretty much everything we could want: Big live action films and big budgeted HBO shows, about all the big superheroes (Superman: Legacy, Lanters, Batman: the Brave and the Bold, Wonder Woman: Paradise Lost). Also, a ton of "smaller" cult DC characters, that fans have been asking to see more of for decades (Booster Gold, Swamp Thing, Supergirl, etc.). And even some weird projects, that we have no idea what it will turn out to be (Creature Commandos, Waller). We have the big superhero classics, and a bunch of more unknown stuff. We have action-adventure, adult horror, and even some comedy. Space epics, urban vigilantes and quirky stuff. It looks like the new DCU has the potential to be ANYTHING (and that includes the possibility of it being GREAT). If you´re angry right now, it´s because you want to xDxD

[@flawlezzgenocide]

Then just re watch the old dceu if it makes you feel better. No need to support the new dcu if you dont like it. Dont stress yourself. Just support henry cavill and zack snyder in their new projects.

[@seththomas6727]

That is insane lol let me guess is it Snyderverse or nothing? 😂 come on now

[@TheCell111]

cbr Dr-Fate-Media-Disrespect/page2 Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post They cant really do much with Dr Fate any way. No way he gets his own stand alone film with out DC being accused of ripping of Dr Strange which would not be fair since Dr Fate came out in the 40s and Strange in the 60s. had DC had their act together in movies they could have done a really good big budget Dr Fate movie first and it would have been really cool.Kent also deserved more time to flesh him out let him have an apprentice like Zatanna to make him unique from Strange. StickMin quote- I don't really think it matters if Fate was created first if they use stuff from Dr Strange for their depictions of him. Like Black Adam very blatantly copied stuff from MCU Dr Strange for the version of Fate in the movie. Quote Originally Posted by Maestro 216 View Post DC would also have the successful universe and made Marvel look like bush league not the other way around. Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Pos Nope. I don't agree Maestro. Quote Originally Posted by Maestro 216 View Post They had all their characters and before 2008 The Avengers had lost most of their popularity. It was DC's chance to beat Marvel Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post I don't think Avengers lost thier popularity before 2008 and if they did,not that much. Marvel was beating dc before the mcu even started.When i mean marvel,i mean fox and sony marvel,not just disney mcu marvel.The x-men,spideman and ff have many heroes and villains for example.Now in the 1990's and before dc was beating marvel in live action on average. Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post I just want to see an improved DC. It’s a given Marvel’s going to tell better stories. While DC has been doing live action better than Marvel going back to the 60s, Marvel in general has been telling better stories than DC since August of 1961. Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post Yes dc has been doing better live action on average(not all of it of course) then marvel before the 2000's. In the 2000's to now marvel has been doing better live action on average. Quote Originally Posted by Maestro 216 View Post Dark Knight, Joker, and The Batman are better than a lot of MCU stories Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post Dark Knight maybe better than some MCU movies, though I think it’s got some glaring plot holes in it that are papered over with action piled on top of action. I think Batman Begins is a better movie. I really didn’t care for the Joker, but it was definitely a lot more interesting than most superhero movies. No, the Batman was not better than all MCU movies, either. I stand by what I said. I’ll even repeat it and say a bit more. It’s unsurprising most MCU movies are better than most DC movies, despite DC making better live action movies and programs from the ‘60s through the ‘90s. It’s unsurprising most MCU movies are better than most DC movies because Marvel in general has been telling better stories than DC since August of 1961. However, DC’s movies may improve. DC’s storytelling usually improves whenever they have poached Marvel’s talent, like James Gunn. StickMin quote- Joker was a boring Taxi Driver ripoff that had nothing to do with the title character whatsoever Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post All of this talk about the MCU movies being better then the DC movies. Or some of the DC movies being better then then the MCu is just opinion. 100 people can say the MCU is better and 100 people can say The Batman And Joker are better. Which one is right. They are both right and neither are right. JBatmanFan05 quote- That's right. Or, uh, maybe that's not right. Kirby101 quote- Thank, you, been saying the same thing here since the movie came out. It also ripped off King of Comedy. Calling it Joker, instead of Sad, Crazy Clown was a marketing stroke of genius. Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post Sure, you can say that if you believe all truth is relative, and that nothing in this universe of our’s has any intrinsic value or any value at all, only what someone makes up about something in their own heads. That there is no truth and no meaning in this life is in some ways a legitimate view. Or, you can look at DC movies since the MCU has been around and plainly see on a whole, the MCU movies are better, and DC has been making a LOT of stinkers. I’ll say this in favor of the DCEU movies. While the DCEU live-action movies on a whole haven’t been very good and not as good as the MCU, they are better than the likes of some of the other DC movies WB made during the ‘80s, ‘90s and ‘00s. For every Batman Begins or Dark Knight, there’s a half dozen or more stinkers like Jonah Hex, Catwoman, Return of the Swamp Thing, etc. Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post I didn’t really like it. Yes, its connection to the Joker the character seemed, in a lot of ways, tenuous at best, which is one of my issues with it. It certainly wore - I hesitate to say “ripoff” - its Scorsese influences on its sleeves. Or maybe it was more like a sign around its neck than sleeves, a sign saying, “I got this from Marty!” However, wouldn’t you agree, Kirby101 and StickMin, that while it was not deserving of the acclaim it got, it was more interesting than the likes of “either” Justice League, WW84, the first Suicide Squad, etc. (Note that I say “either” Justice League movie {mini-series?} with “either” in quotes. This is because really, they had the same plot and Snyder retained almost if not all of Whedon’s scenes, which make up the part that moves the story forward in the Snyder cut. Snyder’s version had a lot more loose ends, scenes and bits that went nowhere, including all the nightmare scenes. Snyder’s cut took a LOT longer to sit through, and it used Snyder’s usual bizarre color schemes. But it was essentially the same movie Whedon directed. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but it’s the truth.)