DCS AI is almost as good as 33 year old sim

[@pgm316]

To be fair though, the DCS AI is intelligent enough to know it doesn't want to exist inside DCS.

[@jasonforsyth5015]

You win the internet! LOL

[@KesarisRandomBS]

Wait what??? How?

[@WolfyBoi7521]

But hey man, did you see that they are innovating by selling Afganistán in parts? That beats AI, Dynamic campaign and all of the other stuff we've been asking for, right?

[@FalconAC]

It's a good sim but a bad game.

[@liamoneal7643]

@@FalconAC its not even a good sim. its literally realistic warthunder but with clicky buttons

[@rainonwires]

@@liamoneal7643lol what

[@liamoneal7643]

@@rainonwiresit’s realistic warthunder. but with clicks buttons and more modeled interior. radars sucks missiles suck ai sucks ground ai sucks

[@KrustentierBarbier]

@@liamoneal7643 Just look at how only countermeasures are accounted for that got released AFTER a missile left the rail. There is literally zero use to dropping flares beforehand, they are 100% ignored. And if you dig through all these nice files in the DCS folders, you soon realize just how simple most systems are. I really hope for a great Falcon 5 and people modding the heck out of it.

[@Ramash440]

Buying a full fidelity sim at DCS' prices is like buying a muscle car in a place with no roads.

[@Wizzar_sillymus]

multiplayer...

[@liamoneal7643]

@@Wizzar_sillymus sucks desync rampant and even then all you have to do is aoa roll and everything misses you

[@brianlee129]

You don't buy DCS. ONLY MODULES.

[@BarManFesteiro]

@@liamoneal7643 cant even play MP anymore because the new UI bricks the game on full servers lol

[@liamoneal7643]

@@BarManFesteiro sounds about right

[@Daimo83]

Best part about DCS AI is ground unit guns are lasers because they can't code different aiming ability.

[@paristo]

It is laughable how simple and easy it is to make the logic for ground unit to be able respond to air unit. And yet they don't do it, have not done it in last 10 years. And it is likely the most critiziced element in DCS World.

[@BH-ro4ly]

Yeah..... the DCS AI needs a complete overhaul. Once you play the game for ages you notice patterns in the AI and it becomes easy to trick them.

[@defenderbwe]

It needs a overhaul for more then a decade now..

[@RikkiSan1]

Yeah it's great if you're its your first time and you need some target practice to test out flying but after around 10 sorties yeah you learn its basic tricks.

[@kwesiles3152]

This applies to any game...

[@nobstompah4850]

it makes me not want to play MP because it makes for horrible BFM training. sometimes it just taps out, even if it's a loaded Su-27 or something. not much fun, kicking puppies

[@BH-ro4ly]

@@nobstompah4850 play growling then, not pve. contention is another good one.

[@therocinante3443]

DCS is a Toyota Camry with a Ferarri body on it. Falcon BMS is a Ferarri engine with a Toyota Camry's body on it.

[@FalconAC]

Are you planning to take the series a step further with Falcon AT? how far back in time do we need to go for DCS to win.

[@pgm316]

Apple two?

[@powerwise234]

MiG-29: Soviet Fighter.

[@OrlandoDibiskitt]

I always found that the DCS AI varies wildly from plane to plane. For example, the AI F5 is like a UFO with perfect energy management. (at least last time I tried).

[@Duchovicius]

Every dcs AI acts like that. Fighting against AI MiG-21 (even Rookie, doesnt matter) is a nightmare😮

[@wardog2517]

1991 does not feel like 33 years ago…

[@Gremlinke96]

I cri everytiem

[@cesarferrolho1647]

That's not the bad part... the trouble is, for instance, landing on a carrier after asking permission and all that, and just after you land, some AI aircraft decides to land at the same time, right behind you and hits you

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Create yourself an A-10 flight with one wingman, set to "runway start". The AI will attempt to TO in formation with you, until you lift off. As soon as you're airborne, the AI sees the runway as clear and moves over to the center, completely ignoring you. And because physics don't really apply to AI, it's going to ram you from behind, unless you immediately turn away.

[@cesarferrolho1647]

@@fonesrphunny7242 i'm sure there are lots of examples. I've had trouble with wingman too, with the F-16 module

[@vincebagadonis8016]

You're on a roll with this stuff i see!

[@andrewa837]

@@vincebagadonis8016 last one haha. Beating a dead horse

[@pgm316]

​@@andrewa837it's interesting to see

[@2BachShakur]

After the fiasco with Razbam, I’ve complete lost faith in DCS and its devs.

[@Duvstep910]

remember a whole video exists based off falcon 3 called 'the art of the kill'

[@lukliska8314]

These Falcon 3.0/MiG addon AIs are much better on ace level, than showed on the video. That F-16 was very lazy...looked like it has not set proper combat waypoint as CAP, SWEEP or ESCORT....Falcon 3.0 has very good AI, pulling hard and using many maneuvers..

[@powerwise234]

What are your views on air-to-ground combat in DCS, for example with the A-10 module?

[@Netbug]

Yeah, I have tried to get gun kills in the A-10 many times and often the AI would just fly into the trees after a few bursts that missed.

[@gtdcoder]

In Falcon 3.0, I always used the padlock view which makes it very easy to track enemies and stay heads-up.

[@stefanocspt6732]

Yes, padlock view gives some very useful information to stay inside the flight envelope and safe attitude

[@SpeedFireARL]

а это какой уровень врагов? раньше в горячих скалах и дкс была возможность выставлять уровень навыков ботов.

[@SchwardsChannel]

Try Su-27 Flanker, great grandpa of DCS and its have good AI for 1995

[@evandoerofthings6538]

Watching your previous video prompted me to do a little testing of the warthunder bots and made a small video about them. :)

[@Wizzar_sillymus]

I think ED doesnt prioritize AI because people mainly play MP PvP and use singleplayer for target practice and learning new aircraft. I still think they should update the AI (my potato canot handle MP)

[@Fiztex553]

It's not the AI that sells, it's a flashy model.

[@chefmannnn]

You're not really making valid points with these videos. ED already said there's an AI update coming. Oh wait, it's for Ground AI. Nevermind.

[@NuclearFalcon146]

To be fair the ground AI also needs work and they have to start somewhere. Fair to question which to fix first, though.

[@wrmusic8736]

that update for Ground AI is probably around 2026 or so. Then by 2030 they may start working on air AI. Meanwhile please buy a dozen of unfinished modules that will never get finished.

[@Tattlebot]

@@wrmusic8736 You can't write down core improvements as revenue.

[@paulatreides9096]

thoughts on Il-2 Ai? Ik its not really a Jet fighter game but still curious about your take on it

[@andrewa837]

I don't have much WW2 sim experience, unfortunately never got into IL2. But the new Korea thing looks awesome!

[@jakobole]

Also, in BVR, they know exactly who has been targeted if in a flight oof +1

[@bukhariali71]

Playing single player campaigns and single missions in Jane’s Fighters Anthology was the most fun I’ve had in combat flight sims. The AI wasn’t perfect, made mistakes that I could manipulate. Even the ground AI would miss. DCS AI is getting better, but still very predictable.

[@speedkiller3026]

I think that was supposed to be a feature one day that the AI can mess up and fly into terrain but that it does that on ACE difficulty is kind of silly

[@fonesrphunny7242]

The AI has no understanding of terrain or other obstacles, unless it's right in front of them. It's very apparent when you look at NOE helicopters or ground attack planes near mountains. It's been an issue in Flanker, in LOMAC and it's still present in DCS. It's most certainly not a feature.

[@paristo]

DCS World is a game, where your only real simulation is the cockpit. The joke "Digital Cockpit Simulator" is closer to the truth than official "Digital Combat Simulator" is by itself. The DCS World best offering is to learn how to perform different tasks in different environments. Example, how to use a bombing table to get the bomb dropped on target. Or how to perform a proper gun strafing at low altitude and evade without overflying the target. The multiplayer offers possibility for proper basic flight maneuvers for dog fight. To learn the energy management and learn to control yourself when to utilize stored energy and when not. But that is it, not even BVR is properly possible be tested or played. The other side that DCS World offers, is same as with any other simulator really. How to navigate. So you learn how to handle radio, how to fly route and how to find the coordinates middle of nowhere and how to get back to base. All of these things can be done without AI. And that is where the DCS World works, when you have no AI whatsoever in use. But once you add AI to the equation, DCS World becomes bloated with incorrectness and failures. As simple things as dropping a bomb on truck doesn't work right. And even less about other targets that can shoot back, like a AAA or SAM. So many incorrectness in those that better just not to even think it at all as "simulator", and only as "Target that can do something". This is reason why when I want to enjoy campaign and story etc, I turn to some old 90's flight games, as even simple story in those is far better than what it is in DCS World, because the AI is far superior.

[@b3rno]

Now... Try your luck dogfigthing in Falcon BMS ;)

[@andrewa837]

An A-10 on Ace is insane.

[@NuclearFalcon146]

I always found Falcon 3's padlock to be disorienting so I used the external tracking view instead (Could just be because I was about 9-10 years old at the time). Somehow I remember this even after 30 years. Also if I could figure out that mission editor (as a CHILD) then you could, too.

[@andrewa837]

@@NuclearFalcon146 I never tried making my own mission for falcon 3. But never really had to. There's so many out of the box. Yeah the padlock is really weird especially when the plane is under the HUD, it will fake project the HUD below you too.

[@robertwallace4515]

Who eles is excited for bms 4.38?

[@liamoneal7643]

meee

[@randyreal5871]

I've seen this in warbirds I always assumed they blew the engine lol now I'll watch the track a bit closer

[@raymondyee2008]

“Falcon 3.0” was just unforgivable when i played it. 😅

[@hipsterjesus9421]

to be fair, the joke "DCS is almost as good as X yr old sim" COULD get old fast. But you know what gets older faster? The just 2 more weeks jokes and the fact that the company and Drama hasnt changed after I checked the state of the game and community after a 2 year break... Dont get me wrong though, the first thousand hours were magical as a DCS newcomer but in the end of the day its just a overglorified cockpit sim. I guess alot of frustration is in the community because we know DCS is somewhat amazing and many WANT to love it, but waiting for years to see basic QoL features added just screams wasted potential. A reality which I didnt want to accept for a long time but it is what it is man

[@andrewa837]

@@hipsterjesus9421 yep I agree. Sad

[@FrankStallone42]

Dang, you got a thousand hours of enjoyment for a couple hundred bucks at most and you still arent satisfied? Is fighting the cpu the only way you can enjoy the game? The cpu will never be able to compete with human opponents, so if you want engaging and challenging bfm, fight humans online, you will never find a competent cpu opponent that cant be cheesed and difficulty only scales up by giving the cpu cheats.

[@hipsterjesus9421]

@@FrankStallone42 I was satisfied, still EDs shortcomings becoming really obvious after some time + all the empty words and no delivery + trash drama in the community. Also, yes because I have limited Internet access and VR performance is barely acceptable in SP and abysmal in MP ontop. Also quality time in MP requires more commitment and freetime for a good squadron. So Id guess in the end I am really not satisfied anymore + wasted potential like mentioned earlier

[@FrankStallone42]

@@hipsterjesus9421 what empty words, what shortcomings??? Provide examples please. We all have limited internet access and schedules to work around, thats a personal problem and not valid criticism of dcs. VR performance is hardware related, it isnt a valid criticism of dcs either. There isnt a vr product on the market that can come even close to matching high resolution monitors in terms of graphical fidelity, the tech for VR just isnt even close to being a viable competitor yet, again, not valid criticism of dcs. I have never had an issue in growling sidewinders bfm/dogfight servers, you dont need to spend hours upon hours developing online relationships to have a solid multiplayer experience. That rings true even for the more complicated larger scale servers with bvr and ground attack. Again, these are personal issues that arent relevant to dcs. Im not saying dcs is perfect, it definitely needs improvement in a lot of areas, but the idea that you got a thousand hours of enjoyment and still arent "satisfied" is just ridiculous. Youd have all these same complaints in any other game or simulator that youve dumped a thousand+ hours in. I think your biggest problem is simply having unrealistic expectations with dcs and the hardware/software we currently have available to us.

[@andrewa837]

@@FrankStallone42 Multiplayer STILL doesn't have proximity fusing. I did a test (unpublished here) where if you literally SPIN like doing a roll, the missiles will miss you if you aren't host. It's hilariously broken.

[@mirrorslash028]

Kind of unfair to compare a military jet sim with a cockpit simulator

[@andrewa837]

Lol

[@RTPJu]

I never liked DCS or any sim from this DLC Era. Sierra was amazing and FALCON 4.0 still have, 27 years after it's release, the best campaign ever. FALCON 3.0 were amazing when released. I can by a RL motorcycle with DCS full content... that is not admissible for a simulator so flawed. Combat flight simulation was my favorite gaming genre, but has passed more than a decade that I really leaved it behind. Just refuse to waste my money with the current "universal" selling model. Cheers!

[@RikkiSan1]

Have you tried Falcon BMS?

[@RTPJu]

@@RikkiSan1 Yes, downloaded it two mounts ago and even bought the Steam version of Falcon 4.0 (I lost my original old copy on a house moving ten years ago), but never really got into it. Maybe, to me, air combat sim is the same that happened with JRPG and RTS games... three of my favorite genres back in time, but today I can't get excited to play anything about it. Maybe in the future I get back to it. Cheers!

[@muhammadsaleh7229]

Now i want you to play lock on modern air combay and check its AI

[@mtthyw]

please keep making 90s flight sim videos

[@andrewa837]

@@mtthyw keep an eye out this week 😉

[@MarcinP2]

I played a lot of old fighter sims, like Falcon or Strike Fighters Project and the bandits will do perfectly timed reversals. They do a fine job pretending to be a decent pilot. A human can do those by predicting but AI just sees you straight on their 6 o clock (even if plane should not allow it). It never bothered me as the result is the same - no easy kills. I suspect DCS has realistic cone of vision obstruction but they did not code the prediction to make up for it.

[@paristo]

DCS didn't have that cone of vision obstruction to rear before 2019-2020. Example, you couldn't sneak a bomber from rear as they detected you instantly when you entered their detection ring. (two rings, one for detection, other for engagement. These are for all AI units.) And this made it so that you couldn't example come to behind and launch IR missiles and shoot target down, but they instantly on triggering missile launch, released flares and evaded. But then they added the rear-cone where AI is blind. So you could now sneak even below them from behind and they didn't react. Or launch missile and they didn't react to it as they couldn't see it. But that is not the thing otherwise for AI. The radar has basic rudimental "visual cone" scanning the correct pattern etc. But AI doesn't have such for vision. And that is what they should add. AI have one visual cone, that needs to scan around in proper pattern and methods as pilot are trained to do (there are good documents for this). And it would mean that AI pilot would need to middle of dog fight as well look the HUD or other instruments inside cockpit, and possible lose sight to the target. And if you fly behind the canopy or fuselage, AI should lose line of sight and try to reacquire it. And once the AI lose the visual lock, it should try to reacquire it by scanning to predicted area, and then start looking more expected areas and try to find the threat. Eventually start flying evasive maneuvers to escape unseen threat and get to safety.

[@youssefidbella5979]

ACE AI in BMS ambushes you as well this just happened to me minutes ago 🤣🤣

[@Duchovicius]

Crashes in DCS happen very often. AI is weird. Once wjen flying on F-15C I fought MiG-21 on Rookie and ... I lost. After more than 10 minute fight I lost too much speed, too much altitude and got hit by R-60... Some other I fought F-16 while flying on MiG-15 and I won. 😅

[@mirrorslash028]

Are you Vietnamese?

[@agamemnonn1]

DCS hasn't really changed since Flanker (graphics aside).

[@margelatul2001]

Dcs on top 💯💯💯

[@margelatul2001]

@@RJ_Numen womp womp get a life going to find all my comments and replies cuz u mad😂😂😂

[@TSHKKRipper]

Hahaha 😂. Whenever I say DCS cannot be worse, it will be proven worse.

[@mintman825]

should try the fishbed, mirage f1M and the hornet

[@12345fowler]

I remember the AI in Flanker 1.5 was pretty good, i.e. you had mor ethan a fait chance to splash bogeys left and right.

[@Sushiconnexion]

dcs ai decides to kill themselves after seeing your dogfighting skillz.. that's pretty advanced ai if you ask me

[@immortal4942]

Jane’s F15 from 1999 has better AI than falcon 3 even

[@nikolapatrcevic5489]

I wonder how much the average dcs user account is worth... Tbh, some scripted multiplayer ai are brutal - try shadow reapers for example

[@johnselden9257]

Yep…it’s time for ED to update their AI.

[@timtams5283]

He ran out of fuel XD

[@FrankStallone42]

The cpu in the other game was nothing to write home about, literally reverses the turn to cross your nose for no reason except to give you the guns kill. Strange how it was on a flat map with no hills to account for.

[@andrewa837]

Well that's just falcon 3 for ya. But you're right, no hills can make a difference. I will say though that this AI put up more of a fight no matter what. That's why I said "almost as good" - it's not a big difference.

[@FrankStallone42]

@@andrewa837 it didnt though, it handed you the kill on a silver platter, while the cpu in dcs tried to fight in the 2 circle while defending fox2s and guns. Falcon 3 just felt better because you didnt brute force a manuever kill and got the dopamine hit for scoring a guns kill.

[@andrewa837]

@@FrankStallone42 Probably - but the DCS AI was on ACE. Meaning best of the best. If that's the BEST it can possibly do, that's sad. Also, this game is 33 years old. One would hope a massive improvement.

[@FrankStallone42]

@@andrewa837 bruh, this is the industry standard with cpu enemies/opponents... its either broken with cheats to the point that it isnt even fun, or its easily exploitable. Ive been playing games for coming up on 30 years and there hasnt been any significant improvements across the board in any game/simulation. Look at gran turismo, project cars, assetto corsa, none of the cpu opponents are at all realistic, they just run their programmed lines and thats it, theres no competitive racing to be found. No improvement at all to the cpu. AGAIN you have unrealistic expectations for what programmed logic is capable of. Stop calling it AI that doesnt exist, its a complete misnomer.

[@andrewa837]

@@FrankStallone42 and yet BMS AI doesn't have this problem

[@mysteriumxarxes3990]

Looks like nova logic's mig 29 fulcrum

[@av812bb]

as a somewhat new and terrible dcs player i say the ai is god like

[@Hollandicus_bird]

I would argue with that As I am also a new dcs player that's started less than 2 weeks ago

[@av812bb]

@@Hollandicus_bird yea but im terrible at the game

[@Hollandicus_bird]

@@av812bb damn, what are you flying?

[@av812bb]

@@Hollandicus_bird An mi-8 lol

[@Hollandicus_bird]

​@@av812bb oh a chopper, that maybe is why you think so, cause i wouldnt know how it feels flying a rotary also i guess if youre new and like me this is currently the only thing you know how to really fly? i know only how to fly the f15c which is why the ai feels ok to me although i am planning to buy the f14 soon

[@cruisertom9587]

Adding more salt to the wound

[@taccntb4345]

The DEVs are shitty? I wont buy.

[@Starmast3rmusic]

2:57 oof

[@immortal4942]

dcs is a money making machine

[@kilianconn5091]

The milsim market is full of greedy annoying devs. They think making simulators makes them special and the people who pay exorbitant amounts of money to play them also think they're special. It's all so obnoxious.

[@andrewa837]

@@kilianconn5091 milsim market is flooded.

[@dimitridimitrescu5476]

DCS hate is low hanging fruit

[@dealwolfstriked272]

DCS is a strange game no doubt! I love Wings over Flanders field because I boot it up and I am placed on a field with my squad mates and we fire up the engines and go. Yes the FM is sucky but the way you just get in a plane and start engines and then have to fly patrol missions with random generated enemies.....it baffles me to no end that DCS cant even do this. WOFF does not have a dynamic campaign and its still amazing. DCS or rather ED are not capable of even a random patrol generator? Click campaign and it just auto generates missions over and over and be random? I mean how "EDIT" easy is this compared to creating an actual dynamic campaign? Anyway not to shit on DCS cause its great at systems but my good God it sucks at immersion and that makes me sad.

[@rodneynoble6046]

Still a videogame at the end of the day and games were made waaaaay harder back then, partly to compensate for being so short. Once they started pumping millions into games did they start to make them beatable.

[@andrewa837]

Falcon 4.0 has a 5 day dynamic campaign, Falcon 3.0 has three planes and like 10 theaters campaigns red flag.... DCS cries to think about it

[@nobstompah4850]

@@andrewa837 hopefully the apparent resurrection of the Falcon series can smack DCS upside the head. Granted, all the mission planning features might scare away most DCS players; but at the same time, maybe not with a 21st-century UI

[@abecadloabc1]

Total air war F-22 jest lepsze

[@Ironwulf2000]

So you compare MiG29 vs F-16 to F-16 vs F-16 and F-16 vs MiG-29 to F-16 vs F-5. If you’re comparing simulators then you should run direct comparisons.

[@markingraham4892]

No aircraft has pulled 7g for two seconds. I personally destroyed the DCS forum mods which caused the developers to leave in early 2023. Core DCS development has been stalled for over a year solely due to my arguments against the DCS developers.

[@andrewa837]

@@markingraham4892 lol what

[@vortigauntsteve49]

Based schizophrenic

[@Altafan21]

He might just be capping lol

[@lIllIlllIlIllIlllIlIllIlllIl]

Thank you for your service.

[@nasigoreng553]

Yeh I think I need to dogfight with some real people to see how I go. The AI seems strange at time between aircraft