DCS: F-16C Viper | ECM

[@MattWagner]

Want to know about ECM effects on the F-16C radar? Please see: forums.eagle.ru/topic/209147-viper-mini-updates/?do=findComment&comment=4845836

[@martindinner3621]

So, what about the other two pods?

[@MattWagner]

@@martindinner3621 Please the videos on the TGP and HTS /HAD.

[@martindinner3621]

@@MattWagner sorry, I should have been more specific. How are the ALQ-184 Long and ALQ-131 different? You said you would cover all three and only demonstrated the Short.

[@wiesenbefeuchter]

And from the own pod ?

[@Kaitoyue9869]

do you know how to disable the weapon's name and distance. Help me

[@Lorian667]

Very cool! Turns the Viper into an even better SEAD plane!

[@Mr.Funplayer]

not like harms and Jsows outrange any Sam site anyway :)

[@Lorian667]

@@Mr.Funplayer Well, since we (squadron) use skynet and moose in a very nasty configuration where a sam (which might be hidden on the mfd) sometimes goes active only at 30% range for a surprise dead shot I sure am thankful for this jammer. Range ist not my concern... also a harm does not much if the site is protected by sa-15s and shuts off its radar.

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

@@Lorian667 HARMs don't have GPS backup? I thought going cold was only effective agaisnt older model ARMs like the Shrike.

[@MattWagner]

Please take a read of the video description notes as this is a rather fluid matter and I placed comments there that may not apply to the state of the module in the video.

[@alexmelia8873]

Thanks, this answered my question.

[@indritdedia1691]

Please the Apache

[@8ASIMULATORS]

Now! I'M INVINCIBLE!! or INVISIBLE? All kinds of awesome!! Thank you for all your hard work ED! Cheers!

[@Phvpark]

correction, the jammer dont make you invisible but the contrary, is like showing 3000 clones of you, they can cleary see that is a contact but cant determine the correct range/altitude because there is so much return

[@8ASIMULATORS]

@@Phvpark I was just trying to be humorous. I got a couple years on the F16, I know how it works! Cheers!

[@Jinx19766]

This sim gets better and better. Absolutely love it.

[@thusharikabotheju5655]

*game

[@Error-33]

@@thusharikabotheju5655 i wouldnt really say its a game since its not really one lol its more of a sim

[@thusharikabotheju5655]

@@Error-33 it's still a game

[@Jinx19766]

@@thusharikabotheju5655 Really cause it sure seems like I'm "simulating" flying and being a fighter pilot. Maybe you have tribalistc issues.

[@thusharikabotheju5655]

@@Jinx19766 Its a video game, If you want to get a sim get Xplane. Dont be an a armchair pilot DCS is not a real "simulator".

[@paulbrooks4395]

If the SPJ will not activate when confronted with TWS or other seemingly passive radar sources, and Jam mode may be better for most players. Active noise should defend against EW and AWACS and keep them from generating data that would end up on the DL. Noise is also able to avoid ECCM, which rotates frequencies to counteract SPJ reactions, since it broadcasts on all frequencies. SPJ in the current DCS strategy paradigm only seems to be useful vs STT locks and launch/terminal guidance radar modes and not TWS / DL radar modes. IRL this would make sense if an ECM system were unable to determine if a radar is in a hostile mode, which would keep the SPJ from activating. From a tactical perspective it may be useful to keep noise mode on to create a distraction for an enemy while other units attack from another direction in EMCON (at least as far as DCS regards it) out of site or range from an EW or AWACS. The AI do respond to the presence of jamming as hostile contacts and this tactic works against them.

[@rybo9494]

Can we expect to see the same or similar capabilities migrating to the A-10C II as well since it carries the same pods?

[@fortinero3361]

It's very pleasant to see how well is evolving this module, patience has his rewards.

[@g.skouras2599]

Awesome news big bravo to the team!!!!

[@Driftx73]

It’s always a good day when wags posts a video

[@MaxSterling01]

Viper is coming along nicely. Fence In, Music On

[@AnarghaBose]

Cool thing. Thanks for your efforts 🙌🏻🙏

[@CallsignJoNay]

Does it jam in 360 degrees? Or only forward and backward with blindspots along the sides?

[@MongooseTacticool]

The JF17 pod has modes for fwd, rear or both so I'd guess this is the same.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

Thank you Matt Wagner. Finally I learned how to use. =)

[@spacekraken666]

Will the pods have any difference in terms of effectiveness?

[@nexus888]

Any additional details somewhere available for the effectiveness of ECM against the various types of air or ground units?

[@thathumanhayden2979]

I would love that

[@alexmelia8873]

I think Grim Reapers did a video and it lets you get like 5-10% closer to SOME assets than a non-equipped aircraft. I think ECM needs work, but Wags has said its coming in the video description

[@mene2254]

Matt told me to tell you this: read the f video description

[@RaptorRising]

Does this affect the Viper's radar in the same way as the Hornet's radar, in that it shuts off when the jammer fires?

[@CBilir]

I don't think so, as this is an external pod which is not relying on airplane's own radar

[@ahmed476th]

@@CBilir the ASPJ doesn't rely on the airplane's radar either...

[@frederf3227]

Usually what CMS left does, determining if the jammer or FCR has priority. If the ALQ interferes with FCR probably depends on the particular band being jammed and if information about the nature of jamming allows FCR to ignore the misinformation.

[@spacekraken666]

From the end of the video it seems that radar keeps working after he gets locked and "Jammer" warning plays

[@CBilir]

@@ahmed476th then looks like it is a bad ECM system compared to what viper has via its pod which is not blocking its own radar

[@Bricuxpl]

🎶 Turn the music ON 🎵

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

Where is the CMS switch, Matt? Kind of an important detail?

[@stevo905]

fantastic!,will we also be able to order our AI wingman to use the jammers?

[@lim2146]

Any intentions in the ECM arena to make chaffs more accurate and appear as radar returns on scope etc? Would be nice to hide behind a wall of chaffs sometime :)

[@drbackjack]

Chaff should not appear on doppler radar with a doppler speed gate.

[@zacharysmith2920]

@@LtShifty Not in the DCS f-16, the radar system in DCS isn't able to pick up chaff as it stands now

[@LtShifty]

@@mumblerinc.6660 Instead of been a part of the toxic DCS community why not try teach others, maybe by saying something like "what you're likely seeing is the result of being in RWS mode, those are ghost contacts which remain after each pass of the radar. Switch over to TWS". Don't knock people for making simple mistakes, I clearly said that I'd seen aircraft releasing chaff and then also seeing returns on the radar. Not everyone knows every little facet of the sim, learn to teach my friend, don't be toxic it doesn't help anyone and there are far too many people like you in this game.

[@lim2146]

For me it feels like chaffs in current state is total rng and when applied in a notch yeah they mostly work. But i can't turn around in behind them and be hidden by a wall that has bigger rcs than my airframe. Also no choice in bands and so on. Also jammers in general just shouts to try neglect distance and altitude info, not moving you around in space to confuse.

[@madlarkin8]

@@mumblerinc.6660 That is not entirely correct. IRL the aspect of chaff release does not really matter because it forms a cloud of pseudostationary radar returns of an approximately spheroid object. The aspect of the plane that releases it DOES matter both in real life and the game because beaming/notching the RADAR emitter on an active homing RADAR guided missile causes a temporary loss of lock, if chaff are detected by the missile inside it's acquisition window there is a chance it will acquire one of those instead and fly through rather than reacquire the aircraft. If the plane has a hot/cold/flank (NOT BEAMING) aspect, the missile will not lose the lock and the chaff will be 0% effective. This has been repeatedly tested on many youtube videos as well as my own personal experience, chaff alone doesn't cause missiles to lose lock ever. This is why you can dump your entire plane's payload of chaff at a missile on your 6o'clock and it will do nothing. CONTRAST with the flares which have a percent chance to cause incoming missiles to LOSE their lock and switch over to a flare target

[@muratpalaz2430]

Very exciting.

[@Fox3-Luck]

Thanks!

[@schmeardo]

Looking great! Will any of the modes provide protection for multiple planes if they are relatively close to each other?

[@dfrost42371]

Any news in the transition to Vulkan API? Thanks

[@Sushiconnexion]

which scenarios determine the selection between SPJ1 and 2?

[@MattWagner]

Please see the video description text.

[@Sushiconnexion]

@@MattWagner my bad, was too eager to watch the video!

[@BurntCornMuffin]

How would the jamming signal look to a player FCR on the receiving end of the jam, especially position 3?

[@MattWagner]

Double, yellow chevrons. I'll make a video once complete.

[@charlies40556]

@@MattWagner AHH yes this is exciting I know what ur talking about and it will really make the radar screen interesting

[@yiwenzhao8654]

hey wags,thx for your video. We know that A10 also have alq184,but seems useless right now, will it be adjust or fixed someday?

[@cruzthomas897]

Yes

[@LukaszNawrocki]

Hello. ECM swiches do not work as is the case in your video. Could you please explain to me? Thank you very much for your great videos.

[@LtFalcon]

Will there be an option to select if the ECM or FCR takes priority for signal interruption, or not? I think this is what the 1 and 2 positions differentiate between

[@steekle7]

I think you can both use ECM and fcr at the same time as it doesn't use the FCR to emit signals unlike the hornet

[@MattWagner]

Please take read of the video description.

[@Brian-rp5cv]

@Matt Wagner when can we expect the F-16 to be susceptible to jamming (finally)

[@MattWagner]

Yes, we hope at the same time as ECM pod. It's not quite ready yet, but close.

[@Brian-rp5cv]

@@MattWagner but when? Next update?

[@cipher8048]

Thanks wags I got a question ; are we getting Sniff mode or any Jamming effects on Viper's FCR too ?

[@MattWagner]

Please see the video description text.

[@fuzzyboi1721]

How reliable is it? this seams really cool and I cant wait to try it out!

[@mailman282]

How come the F-18 jammer has 0 effect on other F-18 radars? It can not break their track at any distance...

[@FirstDagger]

Will we be able to mount the ECM pods on stations 3 & 7?

[@DoradoFever]

Um... what? You mean station 5 centerline?

[@Jetman123]

@@DoradoFever It is possible to mount more than one jammer pod IRL, though it is rarely done.

[@DoradoFever]

@@Jetman123 I have never seen it on any Viper unit I have been with or deployed with

[@MattWagner]

No, we have no evidence for this based on a U.S. Blk 50, 2007.

[@DoradoFever]

@@MattWagner I saw you when you were on the flightline visiting the 162nd, however I had no clue who you were at the time

[@RTSchramm]

IS the FCR disabled while jamming like in the F-18C?

[@louhodo5761]

Does this mean we are finally getting functional ECM to other aircraft too?

[@diegomariapagnoni9202]

Yeeeee, ECM!!! :D

[@AvengerBB1]

Hmmm... I wonder if this will be ready by the time I get my new VKB Gunfighter III with MCG??? Hmmmmm ....

[@stijnvandamme76]

Need me one of these pods for speed radar jamming..

[@lasselahti4056]

What is the difference of CMDS mode knob auto/semi and that xmit 1-2-3 switch?

[@lasselahti4056]

And what that XMIT swtch #2 do? Does Xmit switch change from SPJ between that anthorer mentioned primary mode OR: If / when one changes between primary modes form CMDS (mansemi like in here? changes form SPJ to another pri mode?? ) But what does that XMIT 1-2-3 switch do? And what does the "Auto" do in CMDS mode knob? Is that like "no need for ECM aft when / if locked" to do transmit? Confused. what if i put like xmit to number 3 and put CMDS swith to auto? What happens then. Or XMIT to #2 and semi.. Well you get the point what I am looking.. ?

[@ApeRiderr]

Is this going to be available in the upcoming update?

[@MattWagner]

COMING SOON

[@nesher666]

So, in other words no 😄 Waiting patiently then.

[@thebigbilltheory4388]

Since I typicallly use bypass so I can count get myself….would this prevent the 16 from audible lock warnings? Seems like I get zero warnings and just get blown out of the sky. Thanks!

[@MattWagner]

Probably infrared-guided missile.

[@thebigbilltheory4388]

@@MattWagner thanks. Keep getting hit with zero warning.

[@MattWagner]

You will get zero warnings of an IR-guided weapon in the F-16C.

[@thebigbilltheory4388]

@@MattWagner copy that. Thanks again!

[@Lightning_Mike]

Will it manage to break locks from fighter aircraft?

[@skypiratez]

Finally a decent ECM and a massive thanks! What's the difference between SPJ position 1 and 2?

[@teun0het]

It's in the video description. as of now, nothing

[@VassilliHD]

This is cool and all, but when are we getting the tail hook modeled in the 16? Show them F18/F14 guys how a real fighter lands on a carrier.

[@drewwhiteside4236]

Well, goodbye to what little social life I had for the first month of release. 👍😀🇺🇸.

[@charlesmagrin6260]

what is the use of the channels 1 to 6 ?

[@lasselahti4056]

Littlebit of confused. What is the difference of semi and auto in modes 1 and 2 (forget my older question, that was mambojambo.. ) What confuses me, is what is the big difference between auto and semi. what does full auto mode do that semiauto doesnt?

[@lasselahti4056]

Use it in semi though, no problems with that, just that what do one use the "auto" mode for...?

[@hidayatoceandar5004]

well in other F-16 sim that cant be named. Mode 1 is used to jam aft aspect (rear) and mode 2 is used to jam both forward and aft aspect. I have no idea which one is correct as ECM thing is classified stuff. CMIW.

[@gregkar2736]

Please @Matt Wagner, tell me that the ECM function is NOT restricted to a specific pylon

[@MattWagner]

ALQ-184 and 131 are restricted to STA 5 as they should be.

[@gregkar2736]

@@MattWagner oh sh@t... Thnx for the reply.

[@schweizerluchs7146]

Waggy turned on music and jammed it!

[@VirtualGamesPlay]

Это когда теперь такие плюшки завезут на базу? в этом году ? )) Like!

[@JoeTheSpaceGuy]

Question! Will an enemy jet show lots and lots of radar contacts if its being jammed by the ECM? Or is that only the SAM sites?

[@MattWagner]

No, it is a range gate stealer/denier.

[@skyhawkpilot3608]

Hello Matt, when will we see an improvement of the taxi models in DCS ? For example a Cessna 172 with 3 passengers onboard will start to taxi when the thrust is on idle and a MD80 will start taxi when thrust is on idle too. In a lot of Handbooks of fighter, they writing that when the Fuel stand is low the aircraft will start to taxi when on Idle, the Navops for the F14 says you can taxi with one Engine when the fuel is low.

[@anonydun82fgoog35]

Does ECM affect your radar locking like it does on the Hornet though?

[@hphp31416]

Hornet is using it's own radar as jammer this pod is separaate independent thing

[@ahmed476th]

@@hphp31416 it's amazing how many DCS players spread this misinformation... Check the other threads in this video about it...

[@anonydun82fgoog35]

@@hphp31416 gotcha. Makes sense now.

[@ahmed476th]

I give up on the human civilization

[@zealandwylie489]

My pod won’t warm up. It just shows an amber “S”

[@MattWagner]

You probably did not set the CMDS to semi or auto.

[@zealandwylie489]

@@MattWagnerJust figured that out. Thank you!

[@bestpilots3972]

give me a reason to buy F18 now? F18 IRL has some supports that makes it reliable to be used but in DCS you have no reason to use anything but F16. It's better in any case imaginable. I do own every module but as F18 main in game, I sometimes feel that I'm there so that F16 pilots can learn how to combat. not to mention FC3 plane are absolutely broken and OP

[@hugofelix4491]

Towed decoys coming?

[@MattWagner]

forums.eagle.ru/topic/278635-dcs-f-16c-viper-roadmap/

[@ronalfwesthoff1144]

Hello everyone. Im really new at DCS and a VIper Fan. I use DCS open BETA and i also use DCS Trial. But i can not use this POD. I mean it is not in the Weapon Store and the ECM Panel is not working. Is this ECM comming soon in the next update or must i do anything to use this? New Install or other things? Sorry for my bad english. It is not my native language

[@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381]

It says "COMING SOON" so this doesn't exist in the game at the moment. If you stay on the open beta you will get it as soon as they make it available through an update, so you just need to wait

[@ronalfwesthoff1144]

@@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381 Thank you for your answer.

[@canadiangamer564]

Whats position 2?

[@MattWagner]

Please take read of the video description.

[@canadiangamer564]

@@MattWagner thanks 😁

[@davidschroderflip4952]

When available??

[@MattWagner]

COMING SOON

[@wiesenbefeuchter]

And mode 2 ?

[@MattWagner]

Please read the video description.

[@flashfire157]

Are there any future plans for a GBU39 SDB? My favorite bomb 😁

[@MattWagner]

forums.eagle.ru/topic/276872-gbu39-sdb/page/2/#comment-4723069

[@delta3675]

Waggy daddy

[@-raven-1006]

👀

[@Thedoctv]

Will we eventually get ALE-50 Towed Decoys?

[@MattWagner]

forums.eagle.ru/topic/278635-dcs-f-16c-viper-roadmap/

[@Thedoctv]

@@MattWagner Sweet thanks! Should have just googled xD

[@mr.simulator4724]

What the heck is the cms switch???

[@FWleader]

MORE BUTTONS TO MAP!!!

[@MattWagner]

Countermeasures Switch

[@Vardeth805]

Any plans on updating the RWR sounds?

[@MattWagner]

forums.eagle.ru/topic/278635-dcs-f-16c-viper-roadmap/

[@William3000x]

So it functions differently from what it does on the A-10C, despite being the exact same equipment... In the Warthog, it only transmits, highlighting the "OPR" symbology on the ECM panel for a short period and then it goes back to RDY, which, in my opinion, makes the jammer pretty much useless for the A-10C.

[@dyno007cro]

That's not entirely true. If you get locked up in that period, jammer will continue jamming, if not, it goes back to standby. That's probably realistic. In version 2, it's toggle on/off.

[@FlyingVolvo]

So when will we have PRIORITY mode so we can use ECM and our radar at the same in the F-18? It's quite frustrating that the feature isn't there after several months of the ASPJ being functional.

[@MattWagner]

Please take read of the video description.

[@FlyingVolvo]

@@MattWagner Thanks!

[@sentinal-1-197]

yoooooooo

[@Jacktherookie_]

Hey Wag, I have a small question. When will F/A-18C Hornet get Ground TA radar mode?

[@Jacktherookie_]

By thy way l, I love all of your vids!! Keep it going.

[@MattWagner]

Perhaps someday, a very low priority.

[@theflyinggasmask]

Will the SPJ mode work in MAN mode?

[@MattWagner]

This is covered in the video.

[@mosso9839]

father wags