DCS: Fox-1 Semi Active Radar Tactics in the Su-27 Flanker

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I felt like I should practice my Fox1 tactics a little bit as I was getting a little too comfortable with the Fox3 missiles. So I threw together a quick BVR fight and Takyon and I dueled it out with Fox1's. This video is one of those fights. I decided to upload it because I feel like there is something to be learned here in terms of the tactics. As always I am no way claiming to be expert and am simply sharing what I had learned in my time in DCS.
if you have something to add to the tactics I'd be happy to hear them so comment away. thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy the Video.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@luciansimionescu365]

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@luciansimionescu365 haha i'm flattered man, if you think these videos will be helpful be my guest. Thanks for ur support. as for the f16, we dont have one in DCS yet, its planned for the future tho, but if you're interested in that, I recommend Falcon 4 . it basically specializes in the F16 simulation.

[@luciansimionescu365]

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@luciansimionescu365 hey man, my email is [e-mail] I'd love to hear from you buddy. thanks for reaching out.

[@tomas19958]

great videos ¡ , could you make a batle with the su 30 vs f 15 , greetings :).

[@DaggerOneMike]

The ending is impressive to say the least. Good thing proximity fuses were duds

[@basicforge]

Perhaps the proxy fuses did not fire because the plane that fox-1'd them was dead? A weird bug, right?

[@HamzaKhan-ky1mt]

@@basicforge DCS doesnt have Proximity fuses

[@EisenWald_CH]

@@HamzaKhan-ky1mt it actually does lol, if not most missiles wouldn't work (hitting an aircraft perfectly is super difficult, that's why proximity fuses where invented)

[@TriadAgone]

I think it's a DCS bug? Or perhaps the missile requires range information from the host in order to proxy fuse ?

[@Cragified]

@@TriadAgone Desync plus the way proximity fuses in the simulation measure to a point in space and not from the skin of the aircraft means most proximity fuses don't trigger in multiplayer. They work more consistently in SP.

[@BozofOz]

"Stop _trying_ to hit me and _hit_ me!" should be your victory cry :D

[@EbonySeraphim]

That Matrix clip made this video pop

[@charles_wipman]

I like this 60s tactics; bug or not those 3 dodges were impressive.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man

[@rougehawk]

7:47 lmaooooo!!! Cant believe that shit man. Nice flying ice man.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks buddy

[@dinofreak7531]

You were Neo from Matrix for a while there at 7:16! I really enjoy watching your videos man keep up the good work!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man I appreciate that. i'll keep pumpin em out

[@SogenOkami]

7:45 That is some level 9000 pucker factor right there. Dear God!

[@predattak]

I think the missile tracking is a bug but the proxy fuse is not. I think the proxy fuse is a temporary fix if you can call it like that .. ED might have said well we have this thing going on where missiles keep tracking even without radar guidance so until we fix that IF lock is lost missiles will be dead ( no fuse detonation no nothing). Try and see if the proxy fuses work when a radar is guiding them. Another interesting thing will be to see if a "dead" missile can score a kinetic kill on you. If it can't then that validates my theory even more.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes ur very right they may have broken the proxy fuze on purpose until they solve the tracking issue. thats a good point.

[@terryboyer1342]

@@GrowlingSidewinder That's what happens when you buy your missiles on Ebay.

[@dzdemonicp4552]

@@terryboyer1342 Or if they were made in China lol.

[@Aramistoteles]

Very instructive vid mate, not to mention the matrix moment which was bloody hillarious...

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man glad u enjoyed

[@itsmebatman]

I mean if them tracking without presenting any danger was the only thing it would be fine. But with the RWR still beeping you kinda have to assume they are hot. That's a really silly bug.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya i agree its a big deal and hopefully they fix it soon. theres no reason why a fox1 should still be tracking when the launch aircraft is a ball of flames.

[@markhamstra5473]

@@GrowlingSidewinder It did serve to illustrate the real life limitation of fox-1, though. IRL, those last launches from Takyon would have been fox-2, and you would be dead.

[@Cobrahjh]

I wonder why after all these years (decade?) FOX 1 missiles haven't been fixed. Is it covering up a bigger issue and this is the lesser of two evils? Proximity damage would be something that is much needed against aircraft.

[@PC_CERTIFIED]

good point regardless it is still a hunk of mass could take down a plane without detonation

[@Cobrahjh]

@@PC_CERTIFIED I agree. Max damage would be a direct hit! That is IF it hits the target. Proximity damage, I think (lol there i go again!), would happen a lot more often... Yes? Please correct me if I'm mistaken. No expert here.

[@varanzmaj]

Great video! Good Fox1 tactics, & you should consider submitting this video in the bug section part of Eagle Dynamics's forum. It illustrates the bug perfectly.

[@CrispyRice454]

Lol! I died when the Morpheus insert came up...I was just thinking "He Matrixed them!" Love the content.

[@psychepeteschannel5500]

Omg, I was expecting a random video about tactics that I wanted to learn, and I got HANDS DOWN the COOLEST looking trick I have ever seen done in a Sim. That Matrix music was playing in my head watching it, long before the Matrix reference came up in the video itself :D

[@EmilBeaird]

Another great and informative video from Growling Sidewinder.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

appreciate it buddy.

[@Jcoxy2k10]

Oh my god that is epic!!! HOW you managed to dodge those 3 is beyond me. Wow. Awesome dude!

[@hsinmind]

Hahahaha hahahaha.... That moment of 7:47 realisation

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

so for today's lesson, if you are packing six missiles that doesn't mean you have to kill six tangos with them or you are a bad pilot, missiles can be used to force the enemy into a position that you can kill them, and prevent them uping their chance of shooting your air frame down, as if they are to be used tactically and not as if you lose them in a fight then you are a bad pilot and you are fired from the air force... right?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

correct the first launch is almost always used to force ur enemy defensive and also to gauge his skill level. follow up shots are what will kill him.

[@Asghaad]

@@xmeda considering the jet you are firing at costs somewhere between 10-50 times as much as the AMRAAM you kinda can fire a few and be congratulated for job well done IF you dont waste them completely firing one and wasting it for nothing is way worse than firing four and scoring a kill

[@vectorjara5306]

@@xmeda And TRUE true warriors stick their hand out of the cockpit and do flybys with a glock

[@riderofthemark6661]

7:47 wow! that's amazing man! Great video as always, keep them coming!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man glad u enjoyed

[@siamakraissian8032]

You have the best DCS videos man. Better than anyone else. Period .

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ur too kind brother.

[@allizdog5927]

Your voice always sounds very calm under pressure. Well done. You know your stuff.

[@Gosub315]

Holy shit, dude... That was so amazing to watch! I was literally cheering! Well done, sir!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

haha thanks steven. glad you enjoyed it man.

[@euclideancrypt8051]

That was great editing for the third fox, "he is the one..." as it passes within feet of the plane, hell...maybe inches.

[@zer0sum773]

I...just...love your videos! The low-key memes ease the things up :))

[@xelph2853]

You just experienced a glitch in the Matrix. The tracking will be fixed in the next version.

[@tac-cobserver3788]

7:19 The dancecraft when performs the break dance in the air. Fortunately, this Zhuravlik has a high T/W ratio engines 🤙 Awesome, thanks for the sharing mr. Sidewind ✌😉

[@breydonkokas6778]

Always loved the Flanker family. Good looking and very deadly aircraft

[@asandor83]

Great video! I'd love to see the same but against a fox-1 opponent. That's what's driving me crazy trying to learn dcs... while I'm doing my cranking trying to keep the lock, he can do whatever and let his missiles do the work.

[@erjonjoni1434]

“He is the one” w.t....Haha.. that was awesome. I am laughing so hard.

[@timmunroe4873]

Good one Hoss! still as Humble as ever oh and have a safe and merry Christmas to you and yours aye!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks tim you too brother merry christmas

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

Another great vid mate. Missed this one when i was moving. )

[@Juliocf58]

This was the best DCS video i've seen so far LMAO

[@bormisha]

That missile dodge scene was fantastic!

[@wesleysugalski2842]

Hi Buddy ! wow I must tell you that the lest missile was Masterpiece of MIG - 29 and you did Excellent Performance on Flying..... Thanks for Buty video. Ps. got my Hornet, ready for Operational and R7 works Sweet.....

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

congrats man hope ur enjoying it

[@antred11]

I really don't like Russian-made hardware, but the one thing I really envy the Russkies for is the Su-27 (and all its variants). That plane is one hell of a flying / fighting machine, and it looks AMAZING.

[@michaelwithstand]

The radar was still providing guidance to those missiles...the radar was still working as the other Flanker is falling but it then lost lock soon and thus they didn't detonate. I think. Very entertaining!

[@michaelwithstand]

@TAKYON Yeah, I saw that too could the lock be broken when the aircraft was facing away? But yeah, I saw that too

[@Aeronaut1975]

"He is the one" pahahaha! superb stuff! thanks for the tactics and analysis!

[@saiajin82]

"He's the one" - Love it, good stuff.

[@jameshunter5899]

5.30am I'm pishin myself here at the matrix dodge. Very good sir nice 1

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks buddy

[@peekaboo1575]

That triple dodge was absolutely perfect.

[@jwyliecullick8976]

Great production, you seem to have discovered a simulation failure, in that those semi-actives were tracking after he'd lost lock. I'm interested in producing an automated validation infrastructure that would discover these failures automatically.

[@grantfreedom81]

Thank you, that was awesome!!! You are the one.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad u enjoyed man

[@Fero5112]

I'm pretty sure that's not a bug. R-27ER's semi-active radar can guide a missile at any radio-contrast target, either it can be a friendly aircraft painting same target or, in your case, your very own radar provide guidance to these hostile missiles. However in close proximity it looks like missile get out of emission cone and proxy loses "sight", or its a proximity fuse bug. Anyway, pretty interesting case, great video.

[@scarecrow1323]

hi G.S. I'm curious if you were in the air force... the knowledge of radar usage and terminology is fantastic. I'd like to think that if you learned all this stuff without being in the air force, that I too can learn it and employ it as effectively as you do. love the vids. thnx.

[@dacbom]

@Growling Sidewinder, would be really interested to know if those missiles would still have damaged you if they hit but didn't detonate. Have you tested this? Love your channel!

[@deciopenna]

Hi, great video. I learn lots on your videos. Just begining with DCS I only got Su33 as I wanted a career on a Carrier. From what I see from your Channel and Grim Reapers' this is a very limited Fighter mostly focused on Fox 1 missiles. As I am practicing for later trying multiplayer and before buying FC3, can you point me to tips, strategies and how to make a better use of the aircraft against other foes? Thx

[@nakotaapache4674]

nice to see that u have also this little one frame blackouts in game like me too

[@robertcurtis1191]

Very informative. Even if the missile does not detonate can it still impact you ballistically and cause damage? Or does it just pass thru the air frame?

[@dingjiachen4563]

i met the same thing before when i was using AIM7M to attack a F15, i got killed first, and the missile kept tracking the F15 and finally killed him too.

[@dingjiachen4563]

i was in F18

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

oh urs actually detonated ? thats interesting I know they track but theyre not supposed to detonate

[@dingjiachen4563]

@@GrowlingSidewinder i felt weird, the only thing different is my F18 didnt rotate it self and kept aiming at target. So i guess, maybe the radar still working while pilot get killed. But after watching your video, i think this is more like a BUG of many FOX 1 missile.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya man me and the guys I spoke with all said its some sort of bug hopefully ED can fix it soon.

[@dingjiachen4563]

@@GrowlingSidewinder will u have the chance to test fly F14's early access build of early access? Heatblur said they will provide a very early version to some video maker and it's WIP a few days ago.

[@nakotaapache4674]

in tacview u can size the plane to original size and oversized with one symbolic button down the controls

[@recon17]

Lol. That ending was totally unexpected.

[@Alex-gn6ii]

This is a DCS vid right? I know I've been clicking on a few Ace Combat vids of late, but that triple dodge 😮

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

correct brother this is DCS.

[@slyderace]

LMFAO! Holy Fucking SHIT THAT WAS CLOSE!! That last missile almost clipped your wing! :P That was an amazing slow-mo! :D

[@adrianioancarbunar9005]

Great job !!!!

[@Howitzard]

Great video! You re the one LoL. Please try a su27 vs f15 strategy, fox 1 vs fox 3

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

not a bad idea mate, thanks for the suggestion

[@Howitzard]

@@GrowlingSidewinder from the cockpit of the su27 will be challenging

[@fedesev]

jajajjaja, i was thinking bout the matrix scene... then it poped out... jajajjaj well done.

[@SiaarZH]

7:44 best moment

[@jankruger8915]

Hey, do you have a soundmod? Or is it post production? I realy enjoy your sounds

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya man i add that stuff in after to add some realism.

[@TapChanek]

Thanks to such videos I'm starting to get lust for some flight simulator like DCS or AceCombat.

[@TapChanek]

Actually I was truly hoping hard for this DCS -Modern Air Combat to hit the market so I can softly get into DCS but no news from ED so far.

[@mro9466]

HE IS THE ONE

[@DrymouthCWW]

That missle had blue eyes

[@jcason6295]

Great video bro

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks buddy, much appreciated.

[@reallife3338]

Hahaha the end was sick!!!!!!

[@forest4283]

*Slowclap* that was magnificent.

[@JagdgeschwaderX]

Awesome thanks!

[@newyorkavirex]

Supreme moment. Love the matrix moment 😂😂 mad skillss

[@freefall0483]

Matrix bit was classic. Great vid.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks buddy glad you enjoyed

[@freefall0483]

@@GrowlingSidewinder you replied. I'm fan boying so hard right now.... Lmao. Too old for that shit. Learning alot about BFM from these vids.

[@311Gryphon]

Sidewinder: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge SARHs?" Morpheus: "No, Sidewinder. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready you won't have to."

[@Anuj-2]

That was amazing

[@Darkstar198]

So, from the looks of the position, you don't have to keep bore sight on an air frame to keep Fox-1s tracking? I didn't really know that. How big is the off-bore track?

[@freemonfitzdeassresq9373]

you str8 showed out on this Growl... outstanding job. '' He's the 0ne!%?... lolz...

[@311Gryphon]

Question about SARH's. My understanding is that they have on board RADAR that can track if they're close enough and have a valid return. Hence why the 3 at the end tracked. Is that not the case? I've been told before that they will go pit bull at some point but that it's really close to the target when they do. That seems to make sense with the name "Semi-Active", insinuating that they aren't fully active but do have in built tracking capabilities.

[@311Gryphon]

With so many more experienced people saying that SARH's don't track with the parent aircraft dead I have to assume I'm misinformed and "Semi-Active" just means they're guided but not by themselves, only with guidance from the parent craft. Good stuff. I really would have thought I'd pick that up after five years of playing DCS and watching DCS videos but I never have.

[@RikaRikaItsumika]

Omg those 3 missile dodges o-o

[@mujahid1ism]

“He’s the...1!”🙌🏿

[@obvioustruth]

That's excellent! Lucky you! XD

[@sbtjlhw111]

you'll be a good pilot in macross

[@Martinko_Pcik]

"He is the One" LOL. Good one

[@Makta972]

Hi Sid, I'm new to all of this but I'd like to know why in movies they always show jets going vertical during defensive manœuvre ? What's the idea behind that or maybe it's just Hollywood doing crap lol. Thanks sick vids man

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hey man, just Hollywood doing crap it’s like when they show a plane drop flares against a radar guided missile that is setting off his RWR. Cuz flares look cooler than chaff so like you said just Hollywood

[@Schimml0rd]

7:40 o m g

[@thegame9305808]

It was interesting to see the missiles keep tracking even after the enemy aircraft destroyed? Is it a possibility due to the nature of R-23 missiles IR targeting? The distance between the two aircrafts was less than 7 NM when the 3 missiles were launched. I read that R-23 uses a liquid nitrogen-cooled infrared seeker which required it be locked on to the target before launching, either by the launching aircraft's radar or IRST. It's effective range is 22 miles or 35 KMs. It can be a possibility that it wasn't a radar but IR lock. It's not clear in the video if it was R-23 or R-27 since both have IR capabilities as well as good range for Fox-1 engagements. That's why the missiles never stopped tracking. Again, a guess, not a pilot's experience to comment.

[@nakotaapache4674]

i use most time the original size for review because the speed relation to movement looks the realistic way

[@jameshunter5899]

He is the one lol that was superb but hilarious.... Well done sir

[@okanieba267]

that was so close :o 7:16

[@piloufacesky]

Did those fox 1 just casually keep tracking you while your opponent was down ? They should have been disabled when you killed him or I missed something. Impressive dodge by the way ;)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I talked about that at the end of the tacview section its more of a bug than a legit mechanic, but ur right it should have gone stupid after I killed him

[@piloufacesky]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Yeah when I see something strange I always comment it on the moment ^^'

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I figured thats what was going on but I thought i'd comment just in case.

[@ghostrider1827]

Why am I just seing this old vid!? LMAO!!! that was dope! You got really lucky here.....you just decided to pitch up and roll!! LUCK SIR! LUCK! along with the AI being weak.. LOL

[@jackal1743]

alllrighty neo calm downn.. lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

hahaha

[@Panzer-Geomancer]

Tracking after lead aircraft went cold? Looks more like missiles flying straight, waiting for next input from aircraft.

[@evolgenius1150]

He lost that one that smacked him in the face in the clouds too. I had to watch the impact 10 times to see where it even came from.

[@tmoto11]

air to air rockets had in the 80s the so-called proximity lighter that ignites when the rocket reaches a few meters from the target so that this rocket passes a few inches from the target is ridiculous especially when it comes to a modern airplane it is strange how the same rocket and only one hit the opponent and the opponent's exactly 3 missiles did not hit all in all a great video helps me a lot because i am a beginner in SU27 and in missions they just can’t beat the F-16 but I will one day hihihihi

[@Tamburello_1994]

NICE MOVE ACE. SUB EARNED.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ahah thanks buddy

[@magsmafia]

Dam G...You are the 1!!!

[@user-qz2sw7pq8y]

of course that is only when the situation is fair ( same alt speed and only 1 v 1 with same plane). what do you think about launching pairs of missiles with like 10 sec delay ( also i like to keep my energy for the launches before i do any serious maneuver ) ? for me it seems i have way higher kill probability at high ranges if i do that + the enemie usually starts stong evasive maneuvers wich allows me to get into supression poition where usually either the enemie run for his life or baiscly feels the wrath of arsenal of the sukhoi trying to get like a AMRAAM on me ( usually though i am at this point in R27 ET range and we all know how effective these are easpacialy if combined with maybe another ER basicly its GG for any F15/16/18 ) the only enemie i have a bit of trouble with is th F 14 with the phoinx missiles wich i really struggle evading i usually go for a run , preferring either stealth or team tactics to take out F 14 planes.

[@philbivins7133]

Very cool video...I think the US Navy could use you...

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya for target practice maybe lol

[@antagonist99]

When the R-27 goes terminal as a Fox-3. Neither of that last triplet should've tracked because its launch platform was killed. E: Actually, it would be interesting if it's just their proximity fuzes that get rendered nonfunctional, or if they can still kill you with a direct hit.

[@coxy8102]

I like these videos your making it easier for me to farm nubs thumbs up from me :)

[@seanmccrary8300]

Actually SAHR missile can track. In their terminal phase they actually have a low band emitter used for terminal phase tracking. I was in the navy for 10 years. I worked on the NSSMS defense system we used SAH missiles.

[@seanmccrary8300]

The proximity fuses will not work if the "mother radar" isn't tracking you.

[@user-lj7bp3jv4k]

hi gs ,are you using visual to estimate where the missile shut at u is at any point? or looking at the ewr ?? how can u be so good at knowing where the enemy missile is at?

[@Brukn0ws]

7:49 was my thoughts exactly

[@kevinwebb6647]

Playing lomac and just had a fox 1 take me out after mine hit him. I was lining up for second target and my peripheral saw it hit.

[@teetar1751]

Def thought of the matrix, Didnt know the Russian Bvr missile would continue tracking after you shot him down...

[@teetar1751]

Oh just finished, I knew that was FISHY lol, R27s can pitbull now yay!