DCS: SU-27 Flanker Supermaneuverability Dogfight

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So today we take out the Su-27 Flanker and try to put it up against another Su-27, In this video we have the FCS or G Limiter Turned off in the aircraft and we are both pushing the aircraft to its absolute limits, Lots of Cobras to be had in this mode. It was great fun and really gave me a good appreciation for the slow speed high AoA capabilities of the flanker, and Absolutely amazing plane.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hey guys, I've been wanting to make this video for a long time I think it's long over due we give the Russian planes some love. The manouverability of these things is truly outstanding, and I don't really even have enough practice to push this aircraft to its limits I hope to get better and better at this down the road and make more videos with the flanker. I think it's pretty safe to say it's one of the greatest dogfighters of all time.

[@zombizombatar6957]

How about MiG 29?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Zombi Zombatar MIG 29 is also a great aircraft if used correctly. I personally like it a lot.

[@jerobaal2.0]

great dogfight!

[@razvansindilaru3099]

Why you didn't eject at round 2

[@razvansindilaru3099]

???

[@Ma-lk2gn]

Automotive Enthusiasts: Planes cant drift DCS Players: Hold my HOTAS

[@mro9466]

One sky drift and you're out of energy :p

[@Ma-lk2gn]

@@skatterpro legends use keyboard and mouse for dcs that's what i meant 😂

[@lw8249]

@@mro9466 You lose energy, or better, speed, even when you drive on the road. You're slow when you drift, more the angle, more the loss of speed.

[@ToreDL87]

@@lw8249 Depends how it's done, a quick drift before mid-corner to get the nose clear of the apex = Gets you through the corner faster, since you're now accelerating out of the corner earlier. A corner is nothing but a chicane that has to be tackled asap so you can get back on the throttle. Basic stuff back when people understood and knew how to use the cars and tires (rather than just managing engine temps and tire wear), 10 miles long cars weighing several tons go through corners with neutral handling and everyone goes "wow so fast"... it's not. Ever since the Paris air show everyone thinks the Russians plan on Cobra'ing at BVR and flip-flop the thing all over the place like some Fokker DR.1, I wonder who gave everyone that idea.

[@lw8249]

@@ToreDL87 You lose speed anyway, a little, but anyway. Only, in that case, you have an advantage because you have the nose towards the exit of the corner and you can open first full throttle. Then one thing is a slight powersliding another thing the real drift maneuver.

[@bradcarpenter1881]

12:44 "oh that looks important" as your wing flies past you lol 😂

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

been putting music over my tacviews now too mate, I have to admit i think its much better, thank you for that suggestion.

[@bradcarpenter1881]

Growling Sidewinder no prob at all brother! Love seeing the progression and growth of your channel and I think you are doing an amazing job!

[@vyacheslavvorobyov22]

"Seems I just lost something important..."

[@mokomothman5713]

"This is fine."

[@Archer89201]

Slow mo version showed that the first bursts hit the cockpit area, how is that not a kill and the wing is

[@willfos]

wow ive never seen dogfights like these... looks like an impressive airshow more than a dogfight lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

willfos ya it really did feel like I was basically dancing with him up there

[@rainb0wdrag0ni84]

And that's why I like the Russian aircrafts more than any other country.

[@Alexei55555]

@@rainb0wdrag0ni84 Soviet

[@juniasdityenbeger4506]

@@Alexei55555 are flankers not still in service?

[@Alexei55555]

@@juniasdityenbeger4506 Flanker su-27 stil always in service

[@Pingolinou]

those flankers are like dancing in the air, first slow, then fast, like a tango

[@OverKilL413]

chobanini tango like tango alpha november golf oscar 👍🏼✌🏽

[@v44n7]

cool thing that you mention tango, because Tango is 100% improvisation!

[@TheHaiko117]

**plays "Zero" from Ace Combat Zero**

[@rizkii.m3685]

The fighter is not only have top gun but also to survive (dodge from attack) and quick move to do counter attack with aggresive

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@TheHaiko117 that and add AC7 PSMs

[@dondovahkiin7899]

I love how you analyze the fight as you are fighting.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks brother, i'm glad you enjoy it.

[@AmericanDesertEagle]

As you can see here I am absolutely fucked

[@SomeoneChessy]

And the russkies put thrust vectoring on these bad boys. So the new ones are even better at supermaneuverability than the old ones. Mad ladz.

[@therocinante3443]

Mad lads indeed. They've made some wild wild stuff.

[@OverG88]

"Ivan! Let's make our supermaneuverable plane more maneuverable!" Russian engineering intensifies!

[@prashantsharmastunning]

su30 with canards too..

[@vukashin88]

prashant sharma the canards there are more to offset the increased front end weight than anything else

[@prashantsharmastunning]

@@vukashin88 i disagree.. canards are there to enable the air flow over the wings at high high alpha during thrust vectoring.

[@reverseshotgun721]

This video really displays how different Russian WVR doctrine to Western WVR theory. Having watched this, I now have a better appreciation of Russian fighters. It's magnificent, really.

[@Epicburst]

@Calamity Jane As you know, the Confederate states of America, and United States are the same thing too!

[@Epicburst]

@Calamity Jane R/Woosh

[@postItNoteObsession]

Kinda late, but what does WVR stand for?

[@Struktualnyj]

@@postItNoteObsession Within Visual Range, i.e. "dogfight".

[@musaratjahan7954]

To be fair, in an extreme pinch with no other choice, american 4th gen jets are very capable of pulling extreme AoA and achieve a cobra-like maneuver which essentially achieves the same result as having a bandit overshoot. That's why they have AoA limit overriding mechanisms and disengagable FCS in case this ever happened include manual pitch override switches to allow pitch control at greater than 50° AoA. Its just that they were never really used outside of testing and prototype phases. The F-14 prototypes performed cobras (actually called super stall) before Pugachev himself even took flight.

[@c7zr179]

*is falling out of the sky in an aircraft with a severed wing and two flaming engines* GS: "This is fine."

[@PLATINUMSWORDS]

This is like watching the greatest artists in history paint a picture together

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

if DaVinci and Picasso were fighter pilots...

[@DudemeisterNL]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Van Gogh and Rembrandt!

[@nimrodquimbus912]

Jester must still be on leave, healing from Spinal Compression.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

lol either that or a court marshal

[@johnmicheal3904]

🤣🤣

[@abdullahanwaar7389]

😂😂

[@narrativeswar8552]

That was the most beautiful fight I have ever seen. Just amazing and absolutely breathtaking!!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you glad you enjoyed

[@mateope10]

12:43 lmao *GS's wing flies in front of him* "oh that looks important"

[@spitfiremac]

So a super-maneuverability dog fight looks like sheer insanity... nice to know.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Markus Childers pretty much imagine a real life dogfight with an f22 and an Su27

[@jesseterrell9354]

Growling Sidewinder it’s funny the Americans ditch super maneuverability only to try and stick it in their 5th gen planes i would still put my money on the Russians if they could get that close to an f22

[@FusionTrain]

I've honestly never seen dogfights like this... it is amazing

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you enjoyed it

[@diss2473]

i just love how cinematic those dogfights are

[@user-vp9lc9up6v]

Go back to the basement Stoolz is waiting

[@Sniperahead]

13:20 that should be a Pilot kill, not wing kill

[@weirdbritishperson9542]

Pete Copter I thought the same

[@fitti7908]

Dcs world hate engines and wings so any shot anywhere else kills them too

[@chulian1819]

in dcs if pilot snap fingers wings come off

[@gundog4314]

One of the benefits of my channel is getting to know people from all over the world. My affinity for Russian food has given access to A LOT of Russian military folks. I asked about this very topic since I'm an aviation enthusiast. The biggest problem they have with super maneuverability is the human factor. Pilots just cannot sustain some of the moves you were doing without GLOC the second biggest problem is Running out of Gas, fuel pumps like a steady flow, same with engines. "Too much sloshing the petrol can be bad." Either way I love how the Russian engineers can build things so tough and versatile, that can fly on unprepared fields and be fixed with common hand tools. Good luck doing that with a F-22. Hope the next vid is SU-27 or modded SU-57 and a F-22, that will be really neat to watch. Keep up the great content and thanks for making these so entertaining to watch. Cheers!

[@Surpriseify]

Eh planes like the Grippen or F-35 can be operated from normal roads in rough conditions with simple tools too. Also the DB solved the issue with "fuel slouching" back in world war 2, so how they still struggle with negative G's in russian engines today is rather shocking.

[@idyllsend6481]

Su-27 is a defensive aircraft like most other Russian fighters, they will be airborne to take down massive enemy raids coming from the air if the air defenses(which Russians are excellent at) won't be enough, that's why the supermaneuverability is important to them, they will only engage enemies when they have gone past the S400 and have come close, which very few US aircrafts can do.

[@Demongornot]

Awesome, and would love to see supermaneuvrability (SU-27) vs energy (F-15C) dogfight !

[@meaterschmitt8045]

ive actually tried this, and from what I could tell, it comes down to how the F-15 choses to fly, if he tries to turn, he dies very quickly, but if he firewalls the throttle and goes to space, he will come back down on the flanker and win that way. This is just my personal experience, but its a generally very one way fight.

[@Demongornot]

@@meaterschmitt8045 Interesting ! Thanks for that answer !

[@Knightfang1]

@@meaterschmitt8045 exactly, a good pilot plays to the strength of his aircraft. the F-15 is not a turn fighter, it was built to intercept Mig-25s. An Eagle driver knows not to get into a turning fight with a flanker, he should use his superior speed and climb rate and keep the fight at a distance

[@UnsungSoldiers]

Knightfang1 Is the Eagle really that much better than the Flanker in terms of kinetic though ? iirc, the Flanker beat every climbing speed records set by the F-15. Those were customized versions for both aircrafts but it surely means something when we compare them in dogfight with weapon load and stuff ~

[@Knightfang1]

RazgriFPSB F-15 has a significant advantage in thrust to weight ratio over the flanker so it accelerates much faster and therefore can begin climbing faster. The flanker apparently has a higher top speed but it takes it significantly longer to reach those speeds

[@TheGrimlin85]

8:38 That was just beautiful! Very graceful, like an airshow "Cirque du Soleil". Your video editing is on point!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Transit thanks brother crazy to see how far this channel has come since I first started.

[@TheGrimlin85]

@@GrowlingSidewinder right?! 35000 subs in about a year is quite impressive. Keep up the great work, we'll be on your wing through year #2!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Transit respect bro.

[@aliahmed7618]

That’s so beautiful dude! Просто замечательно!

[@TheRoshan89]

14:14 so badass how he dodges that debris

[@ryana9610]

This is like watching Bob Ross paint

[@johnmicheal3904]

My favorite video from you so far. A truly great dance. I actually didn't know the 27 was that insane at low speeds

[@kanyespastor5888]

This the best dogfight video I’ve seen yet on this channel. Really good stuff mate

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Kanye’s Therapist thanks buddy. Glad you enjoyed it

[@MrHeretic666]

14:12 Oh, man! That slo-mo moment is outstanding!

[@leon-ks9yn]

Amazing! Watching those flankers figth each other and doing that kind of manouvers in the city was a m a z i n g!

[@andrewsc7304]

Such a beautiful video! I really love these airframes. You had done a great job demonstrating the capabilities of these Sukhoi jets

[@ericheng9790]

For parts of those fights, it was like watching two leaves fall around each other, the flankers were suspended in the air

[@markfrombriz]

LOL, bits of wing go flying past the cockpit. "oh that looks important". Understatement of the year, cracked me up

[@Archangel2277]

I knew i recognized the great Su piloting, great as always Sunde, and good job Growl, did quite well with the 27, she is a great bird

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Zevrock thanks bro glad you enjoyed it

[@avidgamer5676]

Liked the information at the beginning. Round 1 was awesome to watch and Round 2 that slow mo on the kill was beautiful. Another great episode dude.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

AvidGamer thanks very much brother, appreciate ur support as always.

[@avidgamer5676]

It's my pleasure GS.

[@greybuckleton]

More Flanker stuff, this was EPIC!!!

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

WHAT UP BROTHA... Wow, the maneuverability of those fighters is insane. You guys looked like two leafs dancing in the wind. Great fight!

[@odanesi8031]

Best dcs video in human history.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you liked it man

[@floppa1-166]

This video should be named ‘ doing ballet in the air with the su-27’, great vid GS was fun to watch.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks Tanay, glad you enjoyed the video

[@blessthismessss]

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[@DrRyan82994]

He’s flying in way that minimizes damage even when he’s hit 6:23

[@weirdbritishperson9542]

Anyone else sad when mihi shot down brownie?

[@artyomgunard4491]

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[@SuperAdjudant]

"That looks important." Lol That looks so cinematic, almost like a Michael Bay movie right there. Great fight, I can feel the G-force from this

[@jc3132]

Amazing, absolutely Incredible, the Su family have always been my favourite. Thanks more making this spectacular vid!

[@HEATER_]

Well done to both of you! The fly-by views were beautiful, keep them up! Not sure how your cockpit survived GS but... Wow, two great fights.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you man

[@anatoli25236]

You are doing art right there man. Some art is really underappreciated. Absolutely captivating.

[@reduk1999]

You’ve done it again buddy awesome film like action and great tac view, love the content and great to see how you manage to keep it fresh, the way you guys control the action...well done thnx

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks very much man, I appreciate you taking the time to watch thank you for your support.

[@smokie01uk]

Great video. This dogfight was next level skill, huge respect to you and your opponent 👍👍👍

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Marcus Caballerro thank you very much glad you enjoyed it

[@TheCzechmate007]

Amazing job, not only you do great videos and your voice is just so calm and easy to listen to, but you obviously are great pilot with a lots of skills, knowledge and experience... I admire you, my hats off! Subscribed!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

III F S III thank you very much for the kind words and welcome to the channel.

[@SirBlue]

I cant play this game because of i don't have a good enough computer, but i absolutely love this game and especially watching these videos on your channel, so keep the good work up :D

[@HOVREDDY]

Wow, I was leaned over watching closely on my screen and on the edge of my seat the whole time. Great fight!

[@lw8249]

This is hands down the most beautiful video on KZbin. A wonderful dogfight simulation, towards the fourth, fifth minute when you lost altitude, and your opponent, fuck how good he was with those turns.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man, glad you enjoyed the video.

[@davidsapir3764]

Now THAT was a dogfight. Very highly skilled opponent too. Watching these on a big screen tv is freaking amazing.

[@aaronspaulding205]

Damn brother you can fly!! I love your videos buddy! You stay all cool and collected, and it’s awesome

[@joshuatiu1177]

Perhaps you could try the supermanuverability with the R-73? The high alpha and small turn radius seems to suit a high off boresight missile shot. Amazing video as always btw!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Joshua Tiu ur certainly right, only problem with that is that it would be a very quick video.

[@joshuatiu1177]

Haha that's true.. maybe too good a combination at the merge

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ahah ya the other guy would be dead within 15 seconds of the merge. very short video lool

[@josh_jc_cheng]

ralfi did a video of AIM-9X off bore-sight vs R-73, both killed each other most of the time before they can turn a 180 after merge

[@petar.banovac]

@@josh_jc_cheng That's why people play WW2 sims :D

[@jackskudlarek3138]

12:54 me going through life right now.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Very cool vid! Thanks for posting!

[@kenhelmers2603]

Jaw dropping moves in this one - by both pilots! Great flying guys.

[@gijoe775th6]

Great job, on video, that 2nd round slow motion clip after he shot you was great. Looked cool.

[@MetalMiIIs]

Best DCS vid I've seen to date.

[@darksidetize5183]

this was fuckin sick man and the breakdown of both dogfights was super cool.. good work. subbed for sure.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man and welcome to the channel.

[@PiSiCaN]

i wacthed this 3 times its like a movie man good job!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks brother glad you enjoyed it

[@zackbenson7658]

HI GS, Great video ... The slo-mo of your wing coming off was too cool.

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

Great dogfighting as always. Great stuff.

[@VaSKovach]

Ine time I did the cobra correctly and chasing plane just flew by me but I managed to snap my wings lol 😂 so it got me so mad because it was so nice seeimg him overshoot lol.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

been there buddy lol been there.

[@aimready]

Content! All right! Good fight! We're going ballistic, mav!

[@JukentheBox]

great balls of firee

[@ptrisonic]

You'll be pleased to hear that I got my new PC late last week - had DCS World on Friday and the SU-27 on Saturday am. By third take off was trying the supermaneuverability! F@#k! Amazing! Lot to learn though... Thanks for the inspiration to get DCS World and the Flanker....... Best, Pete.

[@kalpa_redon4043]

beautiful flying I never thought SU 27 could do that kind of move

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you enjoyed man

[@Redminer9999]

You should defintetly give this one a re-run, you're so much better than you were 3 years ago I'd love to see it!

[@childofconvienience]

The greatest dogfight I have ever seen. Thumbs up.

[@blinthepannkek6173]

14:18 broooo that pass... Its so satisfying it qualifies for a movie trailer

[@seph7450]

Wow you were cemented in the air for a bit after that risky stall. Amazing what a Flanker can do. Truly the ballerina of the sky. But that's more like the SU-37

[@firepower7017]

It's impressive however what it makes up manuverability. It's very easy to tag them.

[@UBSORRY]

Love it.... I really like the far away view

[@TheJSVids]

"That was a beautiful dance of the Sukhoi's right there" Me watching the third person perspective footage: "Looks like a drunken russian knife fight"

[@bmbpdk]

Theres something beautifull about those fight, so elegant and smooth, like a perfectly orchestrated dance.

[@evo3s75]

this is what I call a work of art. there is nothing more beautiful then 2 flankers dogfighting each other

[@richardpatton2502]

Effective, not effective...one thing’s for sure...super maneuverability is gorgeous!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

agreed brother

[@iamnothing85]

I came here to watch a fight but left saying that's a great dance by two love making birds as David Attenborough puts it on documentries. Great show by both Growling and other guys.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Glad you enjoyed man

[@Anton_Kalgin]

7:25 So, I'm watching this and only have one thought in my mind: "I am a leaf in the wind, watch how I soar"

[@frankeinfish]

too soon man, too soon.

[@kotbaxter9349]

Excellent control! Very , very nice👍

[@ptrisonic]

Hugely enjoyable, GS!!! Best, Pete.

[@OMMIAMSalvation]

B r o The slow-mo of him shredding you, the near-miss, and the tracking shot as your plane fell Cinematic masterpiece

[@StefanRG1]

I think you perfectly demonstrated why us don't use this sistem because if it's there pilots will use it and it may not pay out as well,I find you quite experienced in dogfighting but in the second fight you got a little to comfortable with that cobra and it's such a crazy thing to do it ends up being something you immediately think of in a high stress environment and as a result to that you get shot down, love the SU and these dogfights are so graceful very enjoyable vid man thanks

[@user-cm5di4xy4s]

Thanks for the video from your Russian subscriber. Amazing low speed dogfight

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

gonna be showing the russian planes a lot more love in the near future hopefully.

[@user-cm5di4xy4s]

Growling Sidewinder that would be great! Wanna see f-15 vs su27 dogfight if it's possible. Thank you

[@ALPHARICCO875]

Thanks for the details

[@nulpointr]

I would love to see another one of these. Such a wild fight

[@igorkratka]

Respect to both pilots! Your skills are admirable!

[@tomkatkc]

Outstanding ... As always!!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very much thomas. glad you enjoyed it man

[@Onlooker71]

“Oh, that looks important” he says as parts of his wing fly past him. Lol.

[@jerrodcorey25]

GREAT JOB. ALMOST AS COOL AS TRICKERS VIDEOS!!!

[@1333Marcel]

''Ohh That looks important'' -Part of the wing fly away

[@ThomasBarrios]

Amazing! So joyful that even shared with my wife!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you enjoyed it that much man. thanks for watching

[@seeingeyegod]

great analysis there

[@Nurg1982]

The swan dance of the flankers - some may call it a ‘mating ritual’ :D haha crazy moves to be made with this plane!

[@MrJazsa80]

Mate, that was awesome dogfighting.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very much brother

[@dev0random]

Fascinating. I fly the Flanker all the time online, but I rarely get into a situation to use the full extent of the maneuverability of it like this.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes its very rare, does happen from time to time tho.

[@Void304]

A good example of Flankers showing off how graceful they can be. It looked less like BFM and more like a dance in some places.

[@coppermouth8965]

Gosh that was beautiful, a dance of power and terror a tango of death.

[@nwbklr]

12:44 - “Oh that looks important.” Lots of great one liners after too. Lols

[@nuclearsaturn3834]

Nice video, very well done!👍

[@justicewarrior9187]

This was super technical!! That pull over the airfield was too risky and he almost shoot you in the first flight .. But then again every one's an expert when they aren't the ones flying

[@chrispotter3324]

Superb Maneuverability!

[@user-fv3py3ur2i]

Awesome flying with su-27, pls do more.

[@ariemountara2631]

Best dogfight ever. Would love see you duel him again.

[@gregorypruitt5068]

Wow!! That was amazing!!!