DCS Players Have Had Enough...

[@colinkelly990]

The F15E situation is more frustrating than anything to me. Also we need a dynamic campaign, like yesterday!

[@CAL1MBO]

F15E is way more important than the dynamic campaign which will never release

[@Savage1-0-7]

dynamic campaign is going to drop and Ill bet retribution will still be better.

[@colinkelly990]

@@Savage1-0-7 I have played retribution and DCC. I like DCC it has some bugs currently. I think an update is being worked on.

[@leonelantoniodelgadomedina8675]

@@Savage1-0-7 i really think that DCS will have a dynamic campaign maybe on 2035 there are a lot of things to make to have a proper dynamic campaign, but when that happens is gonna be very cool!

[@prichardgs]

Dynamic campaign is a must!

[@zahnatom]

ED has an ego problem and they dont like to be reminded of it

[@OzDeaDMeaT]

I think its less an ego problem and more a lack of any real competitors. I hope Falcon 5 fixed this in the near future.

[@Twizted86]

Yeah it's hard not to have an ego when you have a monopoly.. What's an alternative to DCS that provides the same experience?

[@G_de_Coligny]

@@Twizted86same experience… you mean price, framerate, bugs, loading times ? Try photoshop (4 i’d say) on a mac +…

[@kon1351]

@@Twizted86 BMS better dogfight. Il2 better VR.

[@grinnerzakaminicide1201]

sounds like aviation in general. Why do you think we all play Flight SIMS!

[@gehteuchnixan4156]

Average DCS ground controller if you release the brakes, for a microsecond, before getting taxi clearance: Enfield 1-1 hold position. Enfield 1-1 hold position. Enfield 1-1 hold position. Enfield 1-1 hold position.Enfield 1-1 hold position........ -_-

[@1stbn8thmar]

Hate that

[@twandepan]

or sometimes you have clearance, and someone else without clearance moves and it tells YOU to hold position. that makes me take the piss completely and switch off the radio.

[@Marauder623]

ATC has no authority over me!

[@whisperingpinup3585]

We women have the same problem with you guys IRL, when we say don't stop you immediately stop and do something different... so frustrating. Lol.

[@Recon19D3]

DCS has become Military Star Citizen

[@neoshi3796]

Imo, dcs started gaslighting us earlier than star citizen so star citizen gets the space dcs world title to me.

[@Recon19D3]

@@neoshi3796 CIG has been doing it since 2014

[@neoshi3796]

​​@@Recon19D3and ed since 2008

[@Recon19D3]

@@neoshi3796 True. At least Frontier wasn't selling ships that weren't finished yet. Or ships that have features that previously unreleased ships are supposed to have.

[@neoshi3796]

​@@Recon19D3haha true

[@ExploringSitkaAlaskausin-wj4wu]

I bought the Mosquito 3 years ago. DCS has never given us any promised or advertised improvements in those 3 years. We never even received any update information in those 3 years. When anyone asked in the Forum for information, the only response we received is that DCS is, working on it. 3 years?!?!?! 😡

[@captain_kaoss]

Same here. I’m pretty sure the Mosquito also has a bug where flames are visible from some of the exhaust stacks when the aircraft is cold and dark. I’m sure it was reported 10 months ago but still not fixed

[@Flankymanga]

All the WW2 planes modules were just for money milkers. If I would want to play ww2 planes i would go for Il-2. ED has stupidly spread themselves thin trying to conquer many things at once and they are now in deep poo. Sad to admit it but all things considered, we have to come clean as admiting that things are bad is the first step to fixing them.

[@sloppydog4831]

The Mosquito lack of improvements and updates is one of the reasons I stopped being an ED true believers. To this dayvwe don't have a functional attitude indicator and the promised navigator AI is nowhere to be seen.

[@OzDeaDMeaT]

Excluding the obvious Foveated Rendering, Multi-threading stuff, as well as the new warehousing API stuff, and the new clouds. Didn't the Mosquito get the improved ground suspension thing in the last 3 years?

[@OzDeaDMeaT]

@@captain_kaoss Is that a bug or how the engines react to running rich during startup? I dunno I have never owned a real Mosquito or even seen one cold start IRL. I just wonder if its actually a bug or how the aircraft actually starts during a cold start.

[@CapitanoAraym]

Games before internet: they HAD to ship a finished product, because there were NO WAY to update bugged content, and bugged content made a game a FAILURE in selling. Game once internet became: infinite "production", with games sold as "eternal work-in-progress" but at FULL PRICE. Bugs that should be ironed out before release are NEVER addressed because "work-in-progress" became an excuse to NEVER have a finished product. WE NEED TO STOP BUYING "infinite alpha release status" games: give us finished products or NEVER BUY IT! US, as consumers, MUST NOT FAIL TO THIS COMMERCIAL MODEL ANYMORE!

[@wiwa23]

Exactly my point. Early acces is a way of taking away the right to complain about unfinished products...even after a reasonable timeline.

[@Duchovicius]

True

[@Duckfisher0222]

100% But the buyer is also responsible for buying those unfinished products, if they are aware!

[@timtams5283]

FR....I'm sick and tired of all these "forever in early access" games!

[@julianmorrisco]

It’s not just games. Even cars require connection to the internet to get bug fixes and ‘updates’. Enshittification. Yes, I know that’s not the exact definition of the term by the guy who invented it, but it applies to everything online as a description. From Microsoft Office to musical instruments like synthesisers, they are released unfinished and require the creator to support them just to keep working. And that Office thing, also applicable to Gmail, is that changes are made just to justify keeping teams working - very little is improved, more bugs are introduced and a lot is harder to use because change for change’ sake. Ok, I’ve gone off the ED topic a little but it’s all symptoms of the same thing - everything is at least a little bit shit, you don’t own anything and without the good will of the company that created something, which you often pay for, it falls apart.

[@steph4050]

Yeah I saw the strategy here "Lets have 38 freaking desert maps. They are moslty huge empty desert with few bushes with not much objects." While the whole community scream at the top of their lungs that they woulk like a Vietnam map. I stopped playing DCS a year ago. I will start again when they will have a proper dynamic campaign. I am exhausted of the dumb AI flying face first in the mountains and scripted missions.

[@spocom131]

The performance on Vietnam would be absolutely atrocious they choose desert maps for a reason they are easy on performance. Once they optimize DCs enough they might do one but even Marianas performance is really bad and that's like a sliver of a Vietnam map.

[@tristanschmidt1239]

@@spocom131 yea that's the reason war thunder has trees and stuff like that do not spawn in till a serten distance for air because it would be hard on most pcs

[@NineLineED]

I would imagine this is our last desert map for some time, its something we had promised and talked about for some time. I think we will be moving on to greener pastures now.

[@finnm.2582]

Just wait for Falcon 5.0 and the whole DCS problem solves itself because by then either ED adapts or goes broke.

[@matthewjackson5325]

​@@finnm.2582unless you fly anything other than an f16, lol

[@Enigma89]

18:15 I said this already and I will say it again full fidelity is a trap. If you chase fidelity for fidelity only you lose sight of basic things. These modules need to co-exist together and need to be at a level of fidelity that can be sustained. If you keep adding stuff and it can't be maintained then it's gone too far. People don't want full fidelity, they want sustainable fidelity.

[@pgm316]

It is. Who has the time for all these DCS modules. (Not even DCS).

[@snakeoo7ca]

I want full-fidelity, speak for yourself

[@Nevermind_Im_Lost]

​@@snakeoo7cayou clearly missed the entire purpose of his comment...

[@JoelLinus]

tf is that supposed to mean

[@jamesmcd71]

Hell the F16 isn't finished yet. We were promised 3 different working JSOWs 4 years ago. The 1 we have is basically useless.

[@mimino0125]

its fine, Micropross will release F-16 ,

[@MetalFalcon99]

@@mimino0125 MICROPROSSE RELEASE MODERN SIMS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[@NoBrainSilent]

Ok so : 1- The JSOW we have is absolutely missing critical features that made it more than a JDAM-ER IRL (Namely the MPPRE mode that let it follow waypoints, hit targets simultaneously, etc). It also has horrible guidance that prevents it from hitting stuff in a desirable way. 2- USAF really did only use the 154A. The 154B never materialized, as it had a bunch of issues in developpement and that variant was cancelled. The 154C was never bought and used by the USAF. All three versions are "cleared for use" in the manuals though, most likely because of similar aerodynamics and weights.

[@jamesmcd71]

@NoBrainSilent all that matters is ED promised them 4 years ago. We still have the exact same no useful garbage that was originally released. I'm one who has defended ED, but at some point enough, it is enough. It's time to finish some projects before we start new ones. For the 1st time in DCS history, it has serious competition around the corner. New flight Sims built on the most advanced game engine will have issues, but will EDs 1997 homemade game engine be able to stand up to the test? We'll ED doesn't think so, but instead of rebuilding DCS, they keep stacking more code on an old engine.

[@ionator2000ist]

​@@jamesmcd71 ED walked back the other AGM-154 variants for the 16 just as an fyi

[@PaddyPatrone]

DCS in VR has had so much performance improvement over the last two years, it`s just amazing. I never had this much fun in DCS before and I started playing in 2017. Im mostly on multiplayer servers online.

[@ethancampbell2422]

Problem is, ED are barely competent and completely misread the market. They used to be a mix of "light" survey sim and "realistic" study sim, but for some reason they decide to go all in with the rivet-counting study sim, with no complete map or planeset for any specific era or area and no plan to ever offer one; it's a mess, it fails as both a simulator and a game.

[@kon1351]

The thing is, the community has been asking for theatres and proper plane sets for that theatre and they still haven’t produced any of it. Now you have companies making the Korean War plain set and map also the Pacific World War II plane set and map DCS have dropped the ball again

[@Pauel3312]

I mean, I don't think they are even trying to make believe that they are trying to read the market. Nick Grey publicly acknowledged that he only uses DCS for warbird free flight, and it is almost certain that DCS is now basically a ponzi scheme towards his warbird collection...

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

The light sim was based on the old Lock On series. The rivet counting on the Blackshark and Warthog modules. DCS superceded the Lock On series but the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft were ported over. Out of all the reasonable critiques that could be brought up, this isn't one of them. DCS is a study sim which happens to include a module for legacy aircraft from a previous game.

[@ethancampbell2422]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Yes, and no, DCS was not sold initially as a study sim, it was sold as a digital battlefield, and utterly failed in that regard.

[@karambiatos]

@@ethancampbell2422 But it completely succeeded as a military procurement simulator. You keep giving money, and you keep getting half finished broken systems for your airplane

[@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations]

22:35 '£1,000' A lot of DCS player's have committed so much more than that to play DCS and the modules they buy such as their PC, TV/ Monitors, VR, HOTAS, rudders, button box's and rig. I couldn't afford to also partake in sim racing for example so I chose DCS. It's like I need an all in one rig for DCS, Sim Racing and First Person Milsims. Their may not be a large amount of us but we have invested in DCS and their is no competition for fast jet combat unless you count BMS. I'm personally looking forward to IL2-Korea. The pilot animations and physics they released in a video were amazing! Combat Pilot is on the horizon if you are into WWII Pacific.

[@SA80TAGE]

idk, i got a steering wheel/pedals at the same time I got my HOTAS... I play both and easily interchange them on my seat. I need more driving games to be VR ready though.

[@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations]

@@SA80TAGE I have problems with my pedals as the brake pedal is much more harder to push than my rudder pedals. I can’t put my race sim pedals on my carpet but I can put my rudders on my carpet floor with some weights behind it and it’s fine. I did buy a race sim rig but I took off the front half of the frame to move the ‘car chair’ closer to my height adjustable table with my TV and keyboard on, just so I could access my keyboard & mouse. I also can’t put my racing wheel base on my table as the TV flops forward and backwards because of the torque from the force feed back. If I set my rig up I could change from having my rudders screwed into the frame to my race sim pedals screwed into the frame but I then lose access to my keyboard & mouse for other games. My central flight stick can attach to my rig or my table as it’s on a clamp, so at least that’s not an issue. I would love to get into sim racing again! Especially with AC Evo just around the corner. That should be absolutely amazing!!! I should post pictures on Reddit and see what the community thinks about my options. I’m also trying to find much stronger springs for the Thrustmaster Pendulum rudder pedals as I think they are far too weak. I should probably look in a hardware store or as online.

[@zloychechen5150]

I stopped playing flightsims when black shark came out. The PC, which was rather decent by 2004 standards, would run lock on:FC ok, but not black shark. I realized i needed a) a new joystick b) a track ir c) a new pc d) a new monitor. So i bought myself a car instead.

[@Anzac-pi7eq]

DCS: not another cent until you fix what there already is. Not. Another. Cent. Message sent.

[@AlgorithmicHearts]

Not another sent. Message Cent

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Not another scent. Message Cenk

[@PluckyUnderdog]

Thanks. The rest of us will enjoy the new modules. But thanks for sending your message. ED have been warned, clearly.

[@madaxe606]

I've also stopped buying anything new since the fiasco with Razbam. The MiG-23 was the module I was really, really excited about and prepping for. I do not expect to put another penny into the game unless and until that changes.

[@jonboymk1bridgemaryfront889]

you payed a MIG 23 module?? no wonder eagle dynamics takes pics out of it's costumers.if people stop paying with their hearts & instead pay with your brains, guys ✌️☯️

[@madaxe606]

@@jonboymk1bridgemaryfront889 Perhaps English is not your first language. You have badly misunderstood my statement.

[@Blazs120gl]

When I wrote a negative steam review like this, around 8 years ago, like, stop piling up technical debt, stop exploiting whales, whales please stop praising a company for a feature crawl that should have been top priority for years, I was confronted by whales to STFU and give them time. They've been working on departing from DX9 when even DX11 was old, no multithreading just overpriced overly ambitious DLCs, overpriced micro DLCs and and re-loading existing modules. Everything BUT they lacked. This was the time period when the module fidely has completely departed from world fidelity. IMHO, ground mechanics, in 2024 should be on ARMA1 feature level. If a casual player has FC3, one modern jet (Hornet or Viper), one helo and one paid map, any consequent purchase is hardly justified. And now this. This is where, simping for companies that arent listening to customers, will eventually lead. +1 Thought about their attitude these days. Some of their modules had DLLs with expired ceritficates, which triggered alarms of anti-virus software, deleting the files downloaded in the update.. It took them MONTHS to actually address the situation. This is a routine task for a dev of their caliber. Instead of fixing it, they have been telling people that THEY have to add the DLLs to the exclusion list of the AV software and THEY should be reporting THEIR outdated DLLs to AV software makers. What an arrogant move this was.

[@vermin1970]

I've stopped buying any more stuff when they never can seem to finish the stuff I already have..

[@captain_kaoss]

The challenge ED has is the business model. They need to introduce a regular drip of new modules and maps to generate revenue which probably directs resources on development rather than improving the core product. I used to be a big DCS advocate but lately I find that I’m struggling more and more to stay engaged with it. I mainly fly single player and the biggest deal breaker for me is the crazy AI flight physics, BFM is just not fun

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

DCS has reached the point where Karens are getting the upper hand.

[@allantotti]

I agree... I have a lot on money invested in DCS (software and hardware) and I haven't touched it for several months. I won't sell my gear as this is my main hobby, but every time I think about logging into DCS, I instantly lose interested because of the amount of issues, from connectivity problems, glitches and immersion breaking crap. I hope someone will fill this gap soon and ED can go to hell.

[@saintuk70]

in 1998 DiD nailed the dynamic campaign with F22 ADF - Total Air War, you'd think ED would manage to get somewhere with this.

[@almightyIrie]

not to shill ED, but you'd think games in 2024 are quite a bit more complex than they've been in 1998.

[@keysersoze1855]

@@almightyIrie indeed, writing such AI algorithms isn't a light hearted task, take a look at Arma3, years later AI STLL can't climb ladders and walk off roofs, and how many years has Bohemia Interactive been going? Arma 3 wasonly kept alive by modders. Falcon 4 perhaps will remain the best Dynamic campaign ever that was out there, but again, the project was abandoned by microprose, and the developers then leaked the source code, and Falcon BMS was born, and that's only kept alive due to dedicated 3rd party.

[@delayed_control]

@@keysersoze1855 Keep in mind Falcon 4 dynamic campaign development is literally what killed Microprose and the franchise.

[@rickrawlings6095]

For me, the dynamic campaign doesn't have to be perfect, a plausible linked mission generator with a start and end point with victory conditions would be a nice start...

[@6XENO9]

@@delayed_control Actually it was some other bad business decisions that killed MPS/SpectrumHolobyte. Falcon 4 wasn't very profitable, but it was enough to pay the bills. See Enigmas interview with mr Kevin Klemmick.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Truer words have never been spoken. I have long defended ED and I am growing tired. Yes, early access to a map, like Half-Gahnistan is a work in progress, you know that buying it. I would rather have an unfinished, non polished product that no product at all. I accept that. The core game is where my angst and anger is focused. The AI behavior is atrocious. Combined Arms is atrocious. VR is atrocious. And instead of adding features like the aerial radar to the Apache like they just did, use that time, effort and brain power on fixing all the stupid crap we deal with on a daily basis. Two enemies meet face to face with a wall separating them, they will not walk around the wall to shoot the other, they will stand there forever doing nothing. A two ship CAP of Tomcats at 30,000 feet detect hostiles. One will go to AB and head for the deck. The other turns 90° and climbs. The one that descended gets to 5000 feet, then tries climbing back to altitude still on AB and when they finally get up to 40,000 feet, they're bingo fuel and they go land at an enemy airfield because they don't have enough fuel to make it back to the carrier. It didn't fire his Phoenix missiles like it was supposed to. Mission planners lose sleep over that kind of crap. I could keep listing stupid shit that AI does, but these two examples are enough. My patients is wearing thin...

[@GO-iw1tt]

I thought it was Tri-ghanistan

[@verticalflyingb737]

@@GO-iw1tt quart-ghanistan

[@B.D.E.]

Never defend a business.

[@wmouse]

They seem to think that if they just stop updating a module for long enough that players will forget about it and move on. When did supercarrier release? When did it last get a substantial update? How many features is it still missing? I want the Chinook. I really do. But it's not in a good state and I have no confidence that it'll be good anytime soon. I haven't bought anything since the F-4 and as much as I want the Kiowa, I'm holding onto my wallet until things get better.

[@NineLineED]

Supercarrier just recieved the Air Boss stations, and flight directors are in the final phases of MP testing.

[@alexanderbrown9577]

@@NineLineED It's been four years and we still don't have the ready room. It's not the most motivating product for me so I'm not familiar with what all was promised, but I'm sure there's other elements. Four years.

[@NineLineED]

@@alexanderbrown9577 As I understand the goals they have for the ready room are pretty lofty and requiring some big changes to the core to make happen, such as having things live in the game that normally you couldn't or didn't. I know that's not a great excuse, but I know that we have big goals but that doesn't make any wait, especially 4 years easy.

[@artao5]

"We couldn't survive as a business without early access." Then you have a seriously SERIOUSLY flawed business model. I've spent too much money on DCS to walk away from it. :\ I'm personally most frustrated about the state of the MiG-21.

[@Halozocker104]

Hell the whole sim.. ive upgraded my pc a year ago, ran with 50-70 fps, now were down to 30 again on the same maps and missions... Im ready to just be done with flight simming and sell my kit.

[@loneirregular1280]

Its sad, but true. Some people would be willing to pay a subscription fee to support the maintenance, bug fixes, and technological improvement of the game. They dont have such, so they are forced to make constant EA releases to fund the game. There is always a price to pay...

[@user-nb8pl6gb6b]

That's called a "Sunk cost fallacy", please be careful as this is how gambling addicts lose so much. No matter how much you have in DCS, if it's time to stop buying, stop. If it's time to stop playing, stop. Your well being is worth much more than this. And pooring money in a broken game run by liars will no bring you any joy.

[@Halozocker104]

@@user-nb8pl6gb6b i second this.

[@TheMiGger]

Wait, what's with the MiG-21? I've been away from it for some years and it was working okay then, I'm not informed

[@relaxwithgriffin5393]

I don't care about the F-15E, what I'm p'd off about is that RAZBAM were producing a much needed full fidelity REDFOR in the MIG-23 - RAZBAM (Ron) has stated 'recently' (21 Oct 24) on X that "We are looking for a resolution" so there is a glimmer of hope that this can be resolved but it's all down to ED to get a grip and pay them. My favourite modules are RAZBAM modules so ED cannot afford to lose them.

[@SeanAnwalt]

Razbam actually did some sketchy stuff. I am with you, I adore their products, but they breached contract and did some naughty stuff. ED isn't paying them, sure, but they need to clean up their act, as well.

[@nateweter4012]

I definitely feel the same about the Mig-23. That is a BIG loss whether people realize it or not. Most are focused on the F-15E, and I totally understand that, but for me, losing the Flogger is the real loss.

[@bigskydude8068]

Agreed...

[@HolyOrangeJuice]

We Run Liberation - WRL Group. We grew over the last two years to over 600 members. We used DCS Retribution to run PVE campaigns. We've ceased all operations this year. We got burned out by DCS false promises and flood of EA modules. The bugs were different patch to patch. Old and new problems. It's exhausting. After the Razbam thing they haven't got a penny from me.

[@mattboggs6304]

I was on your Discord, and thought Retribution would save DCS for me. Unfortunately DCS just won't cooperate with having an enjoyable experience running it. It just isn't worth trying anymore. So totally understand why you guys have stopped.

[@dponder-xs7ok]

I haven't touched DCS in over a year. I don't think they'll ever release a dynamic campaign, limited gameplay without it.

[@andrewtucker7437]

I've been a flight sim user for over 25 years. Used to love DCS except for enemy air having UFO flight dynamics. Last three service packs broke my sim. I cant be bothered bug hunting for them, i work in IT six days a week, dont want to do it on my weekend as well. EA needs some competition. Perhaps MSFS2024 will be able to import a combat element? Hope so.

[@Jorendo]

MSFS2024 won't do combat elements, they purely focus on the flying part. They don't even have proper damage models in those games, if you crash you won't even see a crashed plane.

[@crackerbarrel6965]

This so much. Could you imagine if MSFS decided to market the world but in a combat role (aka munitions, destructible terrain, etc.)? I dumped DCS off my HD years ago after realizing the hot mess of different aircraft with no supporting option in order to play them let alone half baked products was just not my cup of tea. I’ll give Microsoft this - at least they make efforts with devs and I sure QC is enforced before a release.

[@SonicCommenter]

I doubt MSFS will ever have a combat mode when they don't even allow combat planes to be sold displaying weapon packs in their marketplace store.

[@quackgarage9551]

They definitely need competition and I would happily try if it ever exists. I've been around since the early LOMAC days in 2005, I still play and love DCS since it's overall the best sim in most regards, but it's not aging very well. Technically, DCS and its partner companies are too worried about focusing on overrealistic aspects that in the end are irrelevant and can be super annoying. That's why the "Digital Cockpit Simulator" joke is pretty much real. The lack of dynamic campaign and the same clique of multiplayer servers are somewhat annoying too. Same ground objectives every single time. Also, this "oh yea guys have another desert map here" thing is frustrating. I couldn't care less about that despite (maybe) Syria, which is awesome.

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

@@crackerbarrel6965 Please Karen. DCS is far ahead in almost everything in air combat sims. The fact you cannot see your dog's photo in your house as rendered on the map is not a rational reason to complain

[@markturner6091]

I am fed up of getting forum posts deleted and warnings and points slapped on for saying stuff like this on their forums. They simply refuse to listen to the feedback and acknowledge the problem.

[@kon1351]

Yes its happened to me many times . I've just stopped supporting DCS . I can see through their lies now .

[@zahnatom]

just had that happen on tuesday lmao

[@Despiser25]

Bignewsy is a giant canuck turd that needs his teeth rearranged.

[@NineLineED]

@@kon1351 I only see one post removed for you in the last 4 or so months, and it was talking about BMS, Arma and other games. If there is something I am missing feel free to reach out and I can look at it more, thanks.

[@NineLineED]

Hey Mark, last comment I saw from you removed was arguing with another user. We generally remove both sides of these fights to keep the thread clean. But if there is something else I am missing I would be happy to review. Thanks.

[@remyprebandier723]

ATC please come on ED we are in 2024 and ATC is still so poor. Falcon BMS had a better one from 2006!

[@Blackjack174]

Not to mention falcon 4.0 had a better one 1998 when it released as well !

[@aboriani]

@@Blackjack174 Exactly... it's not ground breaking technology that requires billions of investment. They did it almost FORTY years ago, on potato PCs and STILL blows my mind today.

[@FreeFragUK]

The Razbam situation has shaken my trust in DCS to the point where I won't be investing further unless a customer focused resolution is found. This is further exacerbated by the conveyor belt of half finished modules and a continuing plethora of issues that remain in dire need of attention. DCS is a project that oozes potential but it is unrealised potential and the only reason they hold their current position is due to a lack of competition within the field (beyond Falcon BMS). Personally I'm looking forward to the Korean War game from IL-2 but what I'm really craving is a combat flight sim that offers rich, compelling and immersive gameplay from mid to late Cold War.

[@NiklasAndersson7]

Don't know who is at fault in the F15E-debacle, but at this point it would be intelligent from ED's side to do real damage control. If I was in charge, and suppose that Razbam is a PITA, I would have said that 'Okay. We have had a situation here with Razbam, and want to quit on good terms, so all proceeds from the F15E will go to Razbam, as long as they support the module. But it will also be the last product they'll do for our company'. At least that would have been my take on it. Sometimes you need to cut your losses.

[@shagrat47]

The problem as far as I understood, is not with the gaming side of the business, but the professional side... So that's likely a bit more difficult.

[@billxciii]

ED simply doesn't have the money to pay what they owe to Razbam (Likely because Nick has loaned huge sums of money from ED to his flight museum), everything else has been a concocted excuse to justify not paying them.

[@fleckk8987]

Selling someone else's product to a military customer as your own is not a joke. And after that having the audacity to use the community to put pressure on ED is also really shady. Also: I initially bought the F15 and refunded mine by now. The refund is still open for everyone. One point I really disagree with is having the F15E still available in the E-Shop. Should have been out there when the uncertainty started.

[@billxciii]

@@fleckk8987 That is NOT what happened. Hell ,even in the last day or so, it's come out that arrangements between EDMS (the military version of ED, a separate company), Razbam, and the Ecuadorian Air Force had been made, and ED SA (civilian ED)/Nick Grey seriously fucked over EDMS, it's CEO, and Air Force's across South America (and Turkey) to cover his own broke ass over a fucking video game.

[@VRTrucker]

​@fleckk8987 my feeling is that no matter what the truth behind the ED-Razbam situation my.... and your contract is with ED we paid them our money (3 modules for me). I personally don't care what the situation is ED need to resolve it for their customers or give us all our money back, not miles or a half baked product give us our money back.

[@cuttheloop]

I'm just done with the ever diminishing VR performance, and constant tweaking required. And whatever happened to Vulkan? They promised that over 2.5 years ago... "soon."

[@18skaterboy18]

They first stated that the dynamic campaign is in the works in 2015

[@otohikoamv]

I've stopped buying anything DCS over a year ago, and I've uninstalled it a few months ago. I'll be happy to come back, and it's not like this was even motivated by any rumblings in the community - it's just that as a package taken together, DCS is as disjointed and incomplete as it was 10 years ago (well, arguably even more so now). Every once in a while, something really great feels like it's coming together - a map/aircraft/campaign combo that just feels perfect for example, or a good multiplayer server that really hits the right spot. But it feels like the whole thing is built on a bit of a house of cards - the good times don't last because something always breaks, and things that start out so promising falter and never actually get finished. I don't doubt for a moment that there will be more good times to be had in DCS, but I'm not sure it really makes sense to buy into the entire ecosystem the way many players have, and I think it will hurt ED in the long run.

[@weibrot8324]

Very happy that i never invested any money in DCS, planned to get at some point the Mig-15 and Sabre when there is a map of Korea, well 2025 there will be IL-2 Korea, no clickable cockpit but much better development progress and quality.

[@Despiser25]

No clickable cockpit means they are using the same tired game engine from the 90s, lol. The opposite of progress.

[@TheKultteri]

I’d liie to get into IL-2 but the flight models and keybindings kill it for me. Only thing worth flying there are the WW1 planes as they feel correct as the game engine is the same as in Rise of Flight

[@bigskydude8068]

​​​​@@Despiser25but it will work and look just as good, not to mention, a lot of us prefer the older aircraft as it's more about the flying then clicking buttons&switches, which the older aircraft have a lot less of....

[@Despiser25]

@@bigskydude8068 Thats like saying Cuba is perfectly fine economically because Cubans all like driving 1953 Fords... ITS THE ONLY OPTION BECAUSE OF A CORRUPT TYRANICAL GOVERNMENT.

[@krusty1974]

Being someone who has used PC based flight simulators since the 80’s I got very used to use sims only within their limits and just forget about them. While this is not a positive attitude towards pushing this hobby forward it’s a perfect mindset to enjoy what you’ve got and don’t get frustrated by what you don’t.

[@Smokeyr67]

I started with Flight Sim and Falcon (before they had version numbers, and came on 360k floppies!). I remember all the drama when Spectrum Holobyte released the buggiest piece of crap they called Falcon 3.0. It took some time, but they fixed it. It killed them, killed the A-10 Sim they had planned, but eventually it was a great Sim. Hopefully DCS survives, ED pauses development and concentrates on finishing what they've started (and to be honest, it's already a great Sim) before moving forward with new modules.

[@Stubbino]

We are never going to get a perfect simulation, not in the next decade at least. The same people complaining about dogshit performance are also complaining about why DCS doesn't model individual blast fragments that puncture a trucks tyres or fuel tank. Sometimes a health bar is enough. Always strive for more, but also be grateful for today too. I found that my enjoyment of DCS went up when I quit going to Hoggit or watching videos like this.

[@Ecthaelyon]

@@Smokeyr67 Right on par with you with Flightsim and Falcon pre-x86 days. I can't agree more with your sentiment here, well said Sir.

[@mzaite]

Problem is you used to be able to KNOW the limitations, and they didn't suddenly change with a bad update. Current Neverdone software is a hobby just to keep up with what does and doesn't work on any given day.

[@bird.9346]

@@Stubbino Yup. I have my issues with the sim too, but the sheer amount of negativity, and sometimes falsehoods on hoggit and such is brutal

[@nethanielmaoz8686]

I refunded the F15 a few weeks ago, Customer support originally said that they can only give me store credit. When I insisted on a full refund they actually went through with it and refunded my credit card 🤷‍♂️ i guess they first try to offer store credit for those who aren’t us stubborn as me

[@CAL1MBO]

Milquetoasts get store credit

[@cuttheloop]

I'm at the point where I would like a refund for EVERYTHING I've purchased from ED.

[@rudlzavedno7279]

I've been buying EDs products since dos SU-27 Flanker days (1995) and while I'm grateful to Igor Tishin, Matt Wagner and the whole ED team for keeeping flight sim development and community alive even in dark days when noone wanted to build new flight sims, now I've finally had enough. These early access modules without final release dates are ruining the game. And where the hell is dynamic campaign, we've been waiting for for god knows how many years now? We don't need a perfect implementation of a whole war theatre. Something like what DID's EF2000 offered back in the 1995(!) and what Falcon 4 community has developed would be more than enough to keep most of us occupied for years. So I've made a decision not to buy anything until we get a dynamic campaign and buy only finished modules after that. Kola map was the last AA dissapointment I bought, period :(

[@Ironwulf2000]

Posts that his sick of incomplete implementations, then says he's fine with incomplete dynamic campaign. Roger that. Kola wasn't even made by ED, and has had several updates along the way, including today.

[@michaels.chupka9411]

my ai gripe is in the fw 190 d mission. leader of a flight of four and the three ai planes jam up on the runway and taxi ways. amazing that the code cannot teach the planes to hold short if the runway is occupied. hell. I have a user mission where the creator tells you quite explicitly to stay off the runway until the ai plane is rolling.

[@andrealves2630]

They also cant make AI wingmen actually do a proper Case I traffic pattern. They do not respect the timings and the actual pattern and will get in front of you while you are on final, screwing your landing over

[@GDViperWorks]

There is not one thing you mention that I can disagree with.

[@Kiwi_FIFO]

It's good to hear some honest opinions, tired of these other ED Meat Riding KZbinrs ducking and weaving the topic.

[@PredatorFly]

Totally agree with what was said in the video. We have entered an endless circle, modules and maps that despite the passing of years are not completed, absence of a dynamic campaign. The simulator is not optimized on the most recent hardware components, sudden frame drops and more. Add also the issue of RZB and their modules no longer updated, even the WW2 package no longer receives updates on available units and vehicles. If I think about how much I spent to buy these incomplete modules I get anxious. Iraq is the last map I took, but from now on ED will not have a penny until I see something completed, I think there is a limit to everything.

[@wiwa23]

After all you wrote, why did you buy Iraq?

[@PredatorFly]

what did i write in my message? did you read? "Iraq is the last map i took."​@@wiwa23

[@PredatorFly]

if you read my comment, you have the answer to your question. It says...Iraq will be the last map I take.

[@Steve-fe8gj]

I agree with this rant. Make DCS work better and easier. Iraq is not needed….more modules are not needed.

[@xitywampas]

Don't hold your breath on ED listening to customers.

[@AndrewH2791]

For me DCS is a lost cause that will never deliver on anything. Luckily I love piston engine stuff so I have gone back to IL-2 and having an absolute blast in VR doing Pilot Careers and a bit of multiplayer, maybe I will come back to DCS when that dynamic campaign drops 🤣

[@wade3166]

I didn't realize how much I needed to see this video..

[@777coletrain]

The classic ED response is to say they have news about it coming "Soon" and not mention it again for years

[@StandingCow2]

My group has been talking about this... that things really seem to finally be boiling over between the community and ED, people are seeing through their.... I won't say lies but not entire truths. They said the same thing with the F18 and F16, that one won't impact the other... only to eventually say one did impact the other, now they are saying it with the maps. Then there is the missing dev Q and A that they never did, with the exception of the super rushed video from wags..... It really is demoralizing, my group that flew almost every weekend without miss for about a decade hasn't flown now in months.

[@CambleDCS]

I'd honestly prefer if ED stopped working on modules and focused on the core engine, improving performance and updating the scripting API which has been neglected for years. And don't get me started on the 2003 cockpit mirrors.

[@Peter-bakker]

And don't forgot the still existing super ugly models of planes ships and other things

[@mzaite]

ED can't sell their core for "reasons" so they can't afford to focus on it over new modules.

[@Karibanu]

So would everyone. Who's going to pay for it? it's a genuine problem, the more early access stuff they put out the less and less time they have to finish them let alone develop the platform as a whole, it's not sustainable - the money is paying for existing teams, not the extra staff to keep up with the debt. There is, also, no alternative. I guess the "alternative" would be a broader API & just give everything mission related over to people writing mission frameworks...

[@AdmiralQuality]

I must be the canary in the mine shaft because I've been pointing out ED's sleazy behavior for years.

[@Tempestzzzz]

I saw it coming with the Yak-52. They couldn't fix that simple thing. DCS Forum Moderator lied constantly in the forum. I had quite a few modules but that simple sim was enough. I have fun with X11/12, Il2 BoS and Rise of Flight. DCS is a waste of time and money.

[@AdmiralQuality]

@@Tempestzzzz That's a good example of around the time things went to shit. (Which also coincides with Igor's death and Nick taking control of the project.) I'd have bought the Yak-52 by now if they'd only give it a damage model but no... And this is supposedly a *combat* sim!

[@cks5148]

Being scammed , I bought lot of DCS modules , the first one slapped my face is Hawk T.1A , it is unfinished and no longer supported . And now is the DCS: F-15E (RAZBAM) , not to mention the MIG-19 , Harrier and MIRAGE 2000 , I want to say the more you pay ED , the more you get fucked .

[@hornetsnest1296]

Well... those are all 3rd party modules. The Hawk was the first issue where they realized that they needed a contract and the source code so they can fix things as needed. The RAZBAM issue... honestly we do not know what the issue is... people are running their mouths that don't have the details... wait and see

[@billxciii]

@@hornetsnest1296 Between DCSExposed and the Razbam Discord, a whole crapload of stuff has come out including contract issues, legal documents, and internal communications.

[@ughleegamer5598]

Straight up DCS is dying, and Eagle Dynamics is slowly killing it.

[@CEARAAAAAA]

Never buy anything in early acess or pre-order.

[@Jwalker21NC]

Lmao then you wouldn’t buy anything at all. Smh 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@oneill6291]

Yeah I'm done supporting these guys. The last thing we need is new stuff - We need everything else fixed and actually stuff to do in the game. Or Simulation if you'd rather call it that.

[@fyrgjhuuyjhe]

Fly DCS with about 30 lads in a clan, most common phrase spoke for the next 3 hours ... "awwww my DCS has crashed again!"

[@zacharypump5910]

DCS just needs a modern day competitor. They’d be absolutely fk-d if Microsoft decided to expand MSFS into the combat market

[@mattboggs6304]

I was one of those top 4 comments you read in the beginning. Here's my biggest problem with DCS. As a singleplayer only player, there is very little reason for me to play the game beyond learning the systems and weapons of the different aircraft. Every time I get enthusiastic about playing DCS, invest some time into learning something, or refreshing my memory of how to do something, I go into the game to actually fly a mission, and then get completely frustrated or disappointed with the experience and wonder why I bothered. They've been talking about the dynamic campaign for at least a decade. Even if they released it today, nobody would like it because the AI isn't up to the task. There's only so many times you can fly a mission and watch the rest of your flight follow you around the sky without engaging anything, despite you telling them to do so multiple times. Or watch them randomly crash, or get one shotted by Vladcarlos Hathcockski on the ground. Plus DCS's performance with lots of units on the map is terrible, even with a decent PC. Anyone who's tried Retribution or Liberation will understand all of that. I think the only people having a good time with DCS right now, are the guys who just fly Air Quake, content creators making money from DCS videos, and people like the Grim Reapers who have a dedicated group of players who all regularly fly with each other. I've just written a novel length comment, and haven't even mentioned the F-15E, RazBam, constant delays, questionable modules, unfulfilled promises etc yet... I've wasted so much money on ED's products since the original LOMAC, that I wish I could get my money back on all of it. I've given them my passion and support for 20+ years, and they've done nothing but disappoint me. So that passion is entirely negative at this stage. I WANT this sim to be amazing, I really do. But that's obviously never going to happen.

[@Schimml0rd]

I kept reading shyte about DCS AI, and when I tried a campaign (multiplayer only player usually) I was flabbergasted when I learned that my ka50 wingman isn't able to fire a vikhr at a stationary tank 🤡 I then remembered how ppl praise IL-2 for their superior campaign - well it's even worse there: your wingmen will first miss their entire ammo while the defender flies in a lazy turn; the rest of them will headon crash every. single. time. Maybe humanity isn't advanced enough for ACTUALLY working plane AI idk 😄

[@neilf1587]

My reasons for leaving the community are different, but nevertheless still somewhat connected to this issue. I uninstalled DCS a while ago and freed up 750 GB of space on my new rigs hard drive. (that's more than all my other games combined). And I would be looking at something like 1 TB today, if i had stayed on the horse and bought all the new modules and maps etc which have been released since. my previous rig was an strix 2070 with an i7 2700x which was ok on the 4k monitor not so much in VR. So i had made a 4090/ 7950x combo with 4 TB of m.2 on 2 sticks , one of which was only for my DCS files. A very capable rig with ample storage solely for flying DCS in VR. so why did i quit? Well I spent close to 3 years just trying to setup my VR correctly, 2 years on my first rig (with some success) and a year on the new rig. ( again with some success) After which time a slowly started to realized that the squeeze simply was no longer worth the juice. From the inside of my G2 the cockpit always looked amazing and that experience alone was worth the time and effort and money i had put into it. But the problem was that 50 meters out and i couldn't tell if the thing in front of me was a bf109 or an F18. A severe lack of clarity all over the map. In addition to that, The map was always stuttering and jumping (even after DLSS ) and no amount of changing settings or adding 3rd party software like xr toolbox or toolkit whatever it was called fixed the problem for me. Frustration reigned. Windows mixed reality just added to my misery and the only relief I had was that ED was working on it. The sad truth is that i spent most of my 3 years with DCS just trying to make it work or work again instead of actually flying. And i could go on, a number of my modules never worked properly. My F18 would only ever do 350 knots in full burn flat and level and its elevator was stuck in the stick in you crotch position. no settings adjustment ever managed to fix that one. My mossie lost speed even at full rpms and slowly fell out of the sky every time i flew it. Changing prop pitch made no difference whatsoever. If a Donkey and a cast iron bath had a love child, my p47 was it. It was a gutless wonder unable to climb even without stores. But hey, we have better fuses now.

[@markf.3617]

Ditto here, I've spent 90% of my evenings trying to optimise dcs in vr to actually work. I mostly give up again, and just do a quick 30mins in War Thunder.

[@riman8493]

The sad reality is that you - the loyal, disgruntled and discerning customer with thousands of money sunk - are not interesting to ED. You have already made your purchase. You have already contributed. Now, all you are is just noise to them. They want you to buzz off at this point, so they can concentrate on pumping out new trailer material to rope in more war thunder players and keep the loop going. ED has moved on from you, the loyal customer. It's time that you - we - have the self-respect to do the same.

[@Ecthaelyon]

I agree with your point/s but, unfortunately, where do we move on to? (Please don't say BMS, whilst I truly adore that sim it is dressing up mutton to taste like lamb)

[@riman8493]

@@Ecthaelyon whatever takes your fancy. Doesn't need to be sim flight related.

[@fanki1730]

For me the biggest problem is the dead world in DCS. You get all the planes and terrains but not really any mission to do. Its like a racing game with cars and tracks but no races. Dynamic Campaign would make me reinstall DCS.

[@Flankymanga]

Because people are really sick. I am not here just to criticize. Its amazing that ED was able to come so far with DCS. It was really nice. I am one of the people that still remember the old Lock-on or even Flanker games. Those were the predecessors to DCS. So im on this train for a very long time and i still remember the days when Igor lived. But nowadays it seems that ED is either in financial problems or they have money hungry investors / owners that want to turn a buck from everything as soon as possible. So the Early Access became a new normal....I am personally very picky what modules will I buy mostly because I play a lot of Opfor planes and there very little if any modern opfor high fidelity modules. Despite ED core team being almost exclusively Russian. And I understand that in this day and age its hard to find good C++ developers. But those are things that can be rectified. Also it would be nice to hire a dedicated team of testers so that when a new patch is released it will not only work with existing modules but ALSO all the popular mods. Or inform the mod makers about breaking changes. The FC3 planes debacle is resonating to this day. There are a lot of mods and I think that ED stance towards madders has to change as well. They should release the SDK like bohemia interactive did for Arma 3. There would be lot of mods and creators that would want to take it to the next level will enter contract with ED to offer their modules for a price. I do not want to see another useless feature or early access module. As many players before me, I am missing a dynamic campaign and in-game Zeus (Olympus). Its realty really sad that it had to be third party passionate people that had to show ED how its done with Olympus. That feature, with dynamic campaigns, ATC / GCI controller feature should have been part of the game a long time ago.

[@user-ek2lh7gn7d]

players reward this type of game menagment, so nothing will change, its not realy DEVs falt when players just keep buying stuff no mather what

[@Flankymanga]

@@user-ek2lh7gn7d will they? I understand your point that if people just criticize and do not behave accordingly nothing will change. Because its not words that matter, its actions that do. This is why I am one of those that refused to buy Iraq map despite having the money to do so.

[@BugsDCSCruise]

I really hope ED watches this, so many good points and shared frustrations....the Super Carrier module is another good example among many...all the new features don't work in VR, they promised the world with it years ago and we finally get access to PRI-FLY that's half assed. It's all super frustrating.

[@NineLineED]

We have watched and passed along to management. Thanks.

[@BugsDCSCruise]

@@NineLineED Awesome news, I can't wait for the future with it.

[@Q3ark]

@@NineLineEDI don’t think your management give a shit.

[@mattboggs6304]

@@NineLineED That's good, but you gotta do more than just pass it on, my man. You gotta really push this. We aren't just trolls hating on DCS for fun, there are a lot of passionate people here who would love to see DCS improve. Management should be really concerned right now.

[@NineLineED]

@@mattboggs6304 Me and BN both spend a lot of our time beating the drum about issues customers bring to us. We take very seriously the role of being the direct link to managements ear.

[@Jetpusher]

I would say the only part of DCS I actually enjoy is just the helicopters, that’s it. Everything else seems broken and he’ll even the helicopters sometimes too.

[@simmybear31]

Il-2 Great Battles is a SHINING example of how to keep extending a game with quality finished releases!

[@jsackett42160]

Never pay for promises.

[@retiredat44]

A really big Peeve of mine with DCS are the training missions,, 1- missing some weapons that are needed to learn. 2- slow: let us hit space bar to move along. 3-some training missions broken, some were fixed. More to come as far as what is needed!

[@toddw6716]

Amen, I don’t want to see another Matt wags video of his smarmy voice just lying

[@drahomirpolach8890]

Show which videos Mats is lying in when he only does tutorials?

[@ralphwright4436]

@@drahomirpolach8890 he is the face of a company that is not upfront with its consumers.

[@Ecthaelyon]

@@drahomirpolach8890 With respect, he has been the spokesperson on many non tutorial Videos and promotions. Yes, he does have a "smarmy" voice & attitude, just saying.

[@theflyingfool]

I gave up on DCS two years ago. Now I have some high end hardware sat here doing nothing because I can't be arsed trying to fight my way through all the crap. Glad I didn't buy anything after the F15E...

[@SnowTiger45]

By 2015, I had the highest number of posts in the DCS/ED Forums (English of course). I haven't posted once since. I can't stand the Fanboy Forum. For several years prior to v2, I loved DCS even with a few issues. I enticed several people to invest and start flying. Now I only warn people against DCS. I highly recommend people fly ANYTHING other than DCS if they just want to fly and have fun. As much as I want to get flying again, it is difficult for me to find the strength to set everything up. By the time I set everything up, the last thing I want is more frustrations.

[@gwalker3092]

I gave up buying anything DCS since F4 was released. The whole Razbam issue highlights why DCS has dropped off my radar for interest and my money. The DCS pre-release scam keeps going.. another desert wow

[@a53-platty78]

6 months ago I said not 1 more penny until the razgate thing was sorted & have now stopped playing DCS completely. I'm happy enough playing BMS & MSFS in the limited time I have available. The last 5 modules I pre ordered have less than 20 hours play time because DCS lacks engagement & tries to replace it with substance.

[@MTB_FANATIC99]

What's BMS??

[@Duckfisher0222]

What they need is full mod support for maps and aircraft.

[@jameswardlow150]

I think this criticism is well warranted. Too many unfinished modules are being released at a detriment to the base functionality of many modules to the point the sim becomes frustrating and no longer enjoyable. Also their relationship with third party developers is also concerning. I for one will not be investing any more money into more modules until the functionality on the ones I own work as per the tutorials, and defined procedures.

[@bluemike52]

+i've had enough of DCS. I no longer play it. All ED want is more money. Nothing is every finished.

[@theangrygamer6404]

Only 10 modules in and a few maps. I am not getting in any deeper. When it looks like a money grab, buyer beware.

[@NoXiDLP]

The maps are too expensive. The more maps are added, the more the community is split. 14,99€ its a fair price but no 50€ or more!

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

I have said this on numerous channels, not a penny more on this game until ED/Razbam is resolved, and my Harrier and Mig19 as well as several campaigns are safe going forward. I do not care who is at fault, it is EDs game, they manage it ( very badly ) and they have allowed this mess to happen, and potentially players may lose a lot of money on broken modules on EDs watch. Simply put, UNACCEPTABLE and UNPROFESSIONAL. I am so sick of this now that I shall get a copy of Sea Power and get rid of DCS until ED actually sorts it all out.

[@therocinante3443]

I've been playing since 2009, I haven't had enough. It just gets better and better.

[@SVgamer72]

Phantom was my last purchase. After playing since the original Flanker I’m done. I own every module, campaign, and map up to the F-4 and I’m done. I’ve been playing iRacing for the past 3 months.

[@elsnocc6572]

the supercarrier specifically is such a joke, 40 bucks for shit that would be a simple base game asset in any product that respected it's customers, and even then it's unfinished, and even then what little there is of it doesnt even work right. even the ww2 asset pack is better and that's another spit on the face, it's crazy how long people have just been completely fine with not only buying planes and maps but having to buy base game features and assets in fragments and making it required for so many missions on the other hand i disagree on the voip and bomb fuzes issues, i dont think we should be expected to rely on some external program for something that nowadays is so simple and basic as voicecomms, the implementation currently is kinda weak but *if* they improved on it it would make DCS better overall, bomb fuzes have also been very helpful for ww2 modules as it facilitates low level attacks before retarded bombs became common in fighters (sometimes delayed fuzes mean bombs go through some targets and dont do any damage though so lmao) and cold war aircraft finally having a good standardized way of setting up smart bombs like lgbs and other configurable stores like cbus, it definitely still needs a little on that area but if they continued iterating on it instead of shifting focus all around the place it would be massively helpful

[@DarthUrso]

Thank you O7...The fact that the sim doesn't even run reliably without workarounds is unacceptable. Never do I get the option to report bugs anymore when the sim crashes, it's always windows prompted to close application when it freezes.

[@robihobby9490]

ED doesn't give a shit about its Customers. Yesterday's update didn't improve VR with the Spotting Dots. The menu to turn it ON and OFF still doesn't Work! WTF ED? 😠

[@yungcaco1443]

DCS has been unplayable for me since 2.9 because of my he micro stuttering. ED sucks!!

[@pgm316]

As an accountant I think I know the problem and it's not DCS's ability to finish these things, it's cost. More time spent on a module, less profit.

[@nasigoreng553]

Yeh it makes sense the man hours for this shit is rediculous just more than can be chewed. The excess on scenery that you will only fly over its crazy, I think when I heard that Nick Grey talking to Growly he said he was quite focused on graphics and fidelity relating to realism. Not sure if much was said on flight models and Aircraft completion.

[@bigskydude8068]

Then charge more and just make sure the modules are actually finished. I'm SURE many of us would gladly pay $100+ for quality modules that have been fully tested and debugged....😏

[@jamesward6349]

Why have 3 separate maps for the same region. Just money grabbers. I’m getting bored of DCS at the minute.

[@mzaite]

Because they don't know how to make the maps bigger. It's an old Lock-On limitation from back when sims only had small areas of operation.

[@tomjohnson8881]

This is really sad; I've been invested in DCS since 2018, love nearly every aircraft I bought, didn't buy the F15, but have the Harrier M2000, and finally got VR in March this year (outstanding)for some reason, the spat between Razbam and ED has taken the enthusiasm out of the game, the only saving grace for me has been the F4 phantom and F14 (Thank you Heatblur). Because of this, I'm hesitating to buy the Kaiowa,Chinook, and any map since Sianai. I'm only investing in new hardware once a positive outcome that doesn't destroy the trust between ED and third parties prevails.

[@robihobby9490]

Sorry, but the Mega Update hasn't improved Spotting Dots for VR users. The option to turn it ON and OFF still doesn't work. You still see Big Black Dots in VR. ◾◾◾ ◾ ( This are 4 F-16 ) 😒 It's incomprehensible what ED is doing. For me, that means an immediate STOP to all the Modules I wanted to Buy. 😕

[@SnowTiger45]

Those arguments are the exact same I've had for years. I started flying with DCS in 2008. By 2015 I'd had enough frustrations with stuff being constantly screwed up. The Updates damage as much as they fix. I call them F**kupdates. It seems the things affected by the F-updates were completely independent of what the updates were designed to fix. For example: An update to fix a missiles flight also made windshield wipers come on (or some other stupid BS thing). I stopped flying in 2015. I have approx. 3 hours of flight since then and I'm now trying to get back into it but I see NOTHING has changed. There are many new additions and improvements but DCS is still playing the same "Ponzi Scheme". I have modules from over a decade ago that are STILL NOT COMPLETE or that are Broken in any number of ways. People should BOYCOTT DCS purchases until they Finish and/or FIX the modules that we've already paid for before making ANY others. Last year, I spend THOUSANDS of dollars on my new rig specifically to fly DCS and with VR. I have not used the VR even once and yet the PC I now have far exceeds DCS most stringent requirements but DCS itself is too broken to bother with. I'm tired of being a Paying Game Tester.

[@speedycpu]

They need to fix the F-15E situation before I buy anything else. Also, I want a Vietnam map. No more endless desert crap. Need civilian air traffic, interesting AI behavior, better damage models, dynamic campaign, decent ATC, and maybe integrate AI, which makes missions for you after you tell it what you want to do. Also, I love full fidelity planes but if they made lower fidelity stuff that's interesting, like an F-117, Mig-25, F-22, etc, similar to how they did the F-15C, Mig-29, etc, that'd be awesome. The ability to do recon, elint, sigint missions and gather intel, then go plan a mission on that intel would be awesome. The F-14 has the tarps pod, doesn't do anything. The viggen can do elint, along with other aircraft.

[@Bailey-k2j]

Just wait til the entire planet is available. $2000

[@RealCraftspirit]

3TB module, low res. God forbid if you want the high res version

[@Bailey-k2j]

@@RealCraftspirit Guess you haven't kept up with MSFS 2024, huh?

[@OzDeaDMeaT]

I would love to know where the better ground AI is as well as the new infantry models and animations are. Even if we could get some DCS API tools that us mission makers could get our hands on to atleast playtest some of the Dynamic Campaign stuff would be awesome.

[@Rikus1978]

No more pieces of map at 70 dollars. No more early access.

[@stab74]

If the FOB's I deployed to during OIF were on this map in detail I'd want it. 👍

[@Patrik.Pereira]

caucasus is ALL you need.....

[@alonsoquijano9555]

and one module.

[@mikeck4609]

Just keep in mind that many of the projects (maps and aircraft) are made by 3rd party developers. If Heatblur -for example- isn’t updating something, that isn’t EDs fault. If some company makes an Iraq map, that doesn’t interfere with another company’s Afghanistan map. I agree that ED needs to get a move on with the campaign and other improvements, but a lot of the things people complain about aren’t EDs fault. They have contracts with 3rd party developers and those contracts limit EDs control over that product.

[@Rokaize]

If a 3rd party dev isn’t updating their module that is still on ED for continuing to sell it and not getting a contract that mandates that in the first place. There’s no excuse for ED to keep selling unsupported modules

[@rudyvinck1447]

Exactly, ED have some issues, but just thinking about it, if there had been no ED for the last 10 years, we won't have almost any simulator to play with

[@Q3ark]

I have no problem with the third party stuff, Heatblur are still updating and improving their Viggen, how old is that thing! Urga are just about to drop a big update to the Normandy map, no dramas there. My problems are with the stuff made by ED. The super carrier is 5 years old, no meaningful updates released, the F16 radar symbology is wrong, the RWR is wrong, the INS is wrong. Similar problems with the hornet. Not good enough. The first party modules should be the best, they are far behind their third party developers

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@Rokaize "muh contract" okay and if a contract isn't being respected you know it takes time to enforce it, right? It has to be subject to arbitration or possibly lawsuit.

[@Rokaize]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD You don’t know anything about the specifics. I’m responding to someone saying ED might sign bad contracts, well, then stop doing that. Either way, Razbam is gone and is never coming back. I don’t care whose fault it is, it makes the entire business model look bad and untrustworthy

[@davew2833]

I stopped buying anything DCS because they are complete prices when you mention issues. People have been complaining about the Phoenix missile not tracking anything, and Jester is absolute garbage. I said many times to fix what you have out first before coming out with new stuff. I have been banned and called names and swore at by people of Eagle Dynamics in the forums....they are egotistical

[@waldemarkalinowski3612]

I reswitched to IL-2 GB. Got anough of DCS bugs and promises.

[@2amProFilms]

About time the community gets together on this, I have yet to buy any modules cuz all the ones im interested in are still "Early Access" so I just create new accounts to paly the trails for 2 weeks since they want to release unfinished product, get out of here with this early access BS. Finish a product, then release the product, you don't buy a house half built with no roof and move into it!

[@Halozocker104]

I recently posted on the dcs steam forum that dcs is currently dying. I got gaslight that im imagining things, steamdb is barely an accurate measurement and most people are on standalone anyway.. Now, 5 weeks later- we are here :)

[@RobVargas-uk6lo]

Well said 👍. I’m not buying another module until they add the dynamic campaign, and finish the early access work.

[@robertwallace4515]

Watching DCS collapse in real time as I play falcon BMS.

[@billxciii]

I really wish I was into the F-16 instead of the F-15E and Harrier. 😭

[@robertwallace4515]

@billxciii bms has the F15C and it is much more in depth than the DCS version at this point and will be "full fidelity" in the future. Also, the mig 29 will be coming to BMS aswell and it's all free with a dynamic campaign.

[@billxciii]

@@robertwallace4515 I know about their f-15C and I think it's pretty cool, but I'm more of an air to ground kind of guy. 😉

[@Ecthaelyon]

@@billxciii That won't be coming anytime soon. I remember when BMS brought in a flyable Panavia Tornado GR1... I was over the moon, even if it did use the F-15C cockpit (from memory)... But where has that gone? :(

[@enyakk]

@@billxciii BMS has a full-fidelity F-15C now. It's pretty good. It'll do A/A with barely any A/G but the dynamic campaign makes that a pretty good deal.