DCS World - F-14 Tomcat - Air to Air Refueling

[@Jabbers]

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[@RattlerSSBN]

"..that's all there is to refueling in a Tomcat...." says Jabbers to a certain group of individuals (myself included) that struggle to maintain 'finger-tip formation' while parked cold on the deck.

[@MongooseTacticool]

'Texaco' has felt my wrath many times. :(

[@mikeyamaro9035]

I tried what you said. It wasn't working out for me so, I shot my tanker down.

[@CrpMag]

I shot mine down too after it all of sudden banked right just as I was about to connect... then DCS scolded me and took all my accomplishments.😬

“ReTuRn PrE-CoNtaCt!”

[@professionalprocrastinator8103]

I see you chose violence when you stepped out of bed.

[@liammackenzie9283]

I don't think there's a DCS player that hasn't hosed down a tanker with 20mm in frustration at some point

[@MrVarry]

@@liammackenzie9283 i sometimes hose them with 30mm ;-)

[@icyrust8831]

Thanks so much dude. I'm new to the Tomcat and on my first few attempts I kept wondering how can people keep this cow straight. Then I looked up this tutorial. The wing sweep helped me tremendously and I went from not even being to fly in formation to being able to refuel an empty tank on first try in 15 minutes. Great vid!

[@Nanne118]

Should I be so pedantic as to mention that IRL they set the air source to left only (to avoid fuel spills ingesting into the aircraft)?

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Missed that as well :D

[@RedSky1895]

This is DCS. The answer to "should I be pedantic about..." is always yes!

[@azayomi]

The air to air refuelling is the first thing I want to try out. Extremely cool to know that Jester updates on the fuel in the tanks. Thank you so much for this video and your superb content! Liked!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Again this looks super easy and will be hard as buck :D I feel the need... the need for peripheral vision...

[@FuriouslyFurious]

Tanking in VR is super easy.

[@theflightsimboy4310]

You made it look easy

[@PeteV80]

It is

[@sebast0409]

@@PeteV80 once you have practiced a certain amount it is but trying to AAR when you you just learned to fly the aircraft is very frustrating

[@stealthtomcat4739]

In normal conditions it is easy but during turbulence it almost become impossible to do it especially with probe and drogue method.

[@Largetalons]

Well it is just a game after all.

[@soarsoar4218]

I know it's an old video but thanks to it I managed to glug glug glug in the tomcat. My trouble was I was trying to find a sweet spot on the throttle to match the tanker and was failing of course. So constantly moving it back and forth to match that speed made it way more stable

[@ryz_vik]

*glug glug glug*

[@Tuuvas]

Yessss, the one I was waiting for Edit: the lack of invertedness is disturbing

[@Orca19904]

Is there any appreciable difference in turbulence when tanking from a turboprop like the KC-130 vs. large jets like the KC-135, KC-10, or another fighter-sized jet like the KA-6D or S-3B?

[@maxhammerum7705]

My guess would yes, there would be a very large difference.

[@nomennisceo6495]

The KC-135 and KC-10 both have much larger areas that get effected by aerodynamic flow, on top of that the jet motors are so powerful they may cause a one-wing stall if you get caught behind them. That is however much harder to do in the large F-14 than the small F-16C as you need to shove almost the entire wing in behind the engine nasel

[@benshakespeare268]

Heatblur are amazing! Looking forward to trying this!

[@Sinbad683]

Yep bomb mode on the wings made a world of difference. Along with setting the curves on my axes on my HOTAS. Of all the planes I have on DCS, the F-14 ironically was the one that I finally successfully refueled with the tanker! Thanks for the video!

[@FractiousSword]

What kind of curves did you set or how did you change it? I’m using thrust master t16000 and am still having trouble.

[@Sinbad683]

@@FractiousSword i have an x55 rhino from Saitek. My curves are set to 20 to 25%.

[@falcos]

One take away was It is just the probe switch no extra switches like in the mirage so that is nice

[@Husker5454]

Makes it look so damn easy .. im here screaming at myself tryna just fly formation with the bastard .

[@FJFuentesCO]

Thank you! I've been trying and trying and Don't think I've seen other videos mention to turbulence. I thought it was something I was doing wrong withy set up.

[@TacticalOni]

A2A refueling is the thing that really pushed me into deciding to get a TrackIR. In the Refueling practice instant action mission you're fueling from a KC-135 and let me tell you how difficult it is to fly in formation with something you cannot see nor move your head to see. any touch of the hat switch usually sends me careening off in some direction. I can't wait to get this tracking device set up so I can actually get gas. Should also help with traps too.

[@Bane_Diesel]

Why does the pre made instant action AAF mission start with my wingman filling first? Lol I have been cutting in front of him every time.

[@Jabbers]

Just dcs things

[@oldmangaming1297]

Second time you mentioned the radio menu you said 'backspace' vs backslash. Otherwise, great vid! I've ran out of gas trying to refuel already, now I'm ready to give it another go. Bomb wing sweep is brilliant.

[@Jabbers]

Oof

[@alaric3415]

Awesome video Jabbers. Always a great day when you upload

[@ahmedkamal3227]

Thanks my friend for your instruction ... it’s time to feed the Cat 😸

[@theaveragejoe9385]

Try having the autopilot on as well. Helps maintain altitude with throttle movement.

[@Jabbers]

Or man up and refuel like a real virtual pilot 😂

[@tacticaltoolbox7046]

@@Jabbers Training wheels.... I love the bomb mode hack. I'll have to try that next.

[@JHallin]

Hello. So I can not figure out what I am doing wrong. I try and set up a simple mission to practice refueling. One F-14 and one tanker. However, when I pull up behind the tanker after making the initial call for fuel and the call that i am ready to hook up the basket never comes out. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? I have tried several different types of tankers with no success in getting the basket to deploy when I prompt the tanker.

[@Jabbers]

Did the tanker respond back to you?

[@JHallin]

@@Jabbers I figured it out. I was calling for fuel while I was on the left of the tanker instead of being behind it in the fuel ready position. Thank you.

[@JHallin]

@@Jabbers But now that you mention the response I think that is what threw me off. Because he did respond when i was on the left but nothing happened. So you have to be behind in fuel position before you can make the call out and trigger the proper response from the sim.

[@Jabbers]

Well ready pre contact means you are behind the tanker and ready ... but ya, DCS AAR comms and interaction needs some help

[@rolex87]

I'm having issues where it seems the basket seems to be invisible to the probe. It needs to catch it but the probe just goes through it. It's kinda frustrating since I can AAR other aircraft pretty smoothly.

[@Jabbers]

What tanker are you using, are you sure it's the kc130?

[@rolex87]

@@Jabbers I was working with the KC-130 on an instant action mission and spent a good 90 mins practicing. No hookups. Then I did the aar instant action after I commented and hooked up pretty quickly. So my next step is mixing up these variables a bit to see if there are differences somewhere. 👍

[@thefridge71]

Hey jabberz. I notice you sort of oscillate the throttle up and down. Does this help with maintaining on speed with the tanker by engaging then disengaging the throttle constantly. This is probably the thing I find hardest with AAR. I can fly straight and in the right spot but find myself constantly chasing my tail with the throttle. Edit: just practised doing this with the throttle it has helped a lot. Have just achieved my first two refuellings with the tomcat within an hour oscillating the throttle. It may not be something I have to do forever but it has definitely helped with being able to judge my speed and adjust it on the fly without concentrating too much. This allowed me to concentrate on my stick a bit more and free up my stress levels. Cheers

[@Jabbers]

It's something really done, getting the exact speed perfect and maintaining it without ever touching the throttle is probably never gonna hapoen Same with landing on speed,

[@thefridge71]

@@Jabbers Too many variables :) Thanks mate

[@Jabbers]

Ya and if yiu think about it, as your attitude changes left right and down when staying lined up, your airspeed in relation to the tanker (closure) changes, requiring you to increase or decrease your throttle slightly

[@hanzandfranz5337]

Was playing the fear the hones campaign and when I connected to the a6 it wouldn't transfer and fuel. I sat there for a while. He ended up disconnecting from me and there was no more radio option to rejoin

[@snakeoo7ca]

awesome cutaway

[@TinCup73]

Superb Love your content bro 👌

[@tonykim7471]

Nice vid.. Could you please show your flight stick and throttle axis tune setting ..I never succeed air to air refueling thanks

[@Jabbers]

No curves for the f14

[@MRFOURKAY]

I wonder if anyone can help me as to why I can't see mirrors in my Cockpit of F-14B , I have RTX 2080 & up to date drivers, you guys have any idea as to why ?

[@Jabbers]

Are mirrors off in options?

[@Gh0st0071]

Press M.

[@harmandeepsingh6598]

You forgot, radar standby, master arm off, approaching speed +-10kts -100feet from observation area.

[@Jabbers]

Nope, he was gonna give me fuel, get cancer, and pay for it if he didn't, also I was in a hurry.

[@harmandeepsingh6598]

@@Jabbers LMAO!!!!

[@harmandeepsingh6598]

BTW your videos are awesome..

[@josuefox]

I don't even know how to match the speed with another aircraft ( like a tanker) , either I don't reach him or I go too fast. Is there a flight rule I missed about how to fly in formation ?! How can we know how fast to go without knowing the other aircraft's speed ?!

[@theflightsimboy4310]

2 days left guys !

[@andysim232]

Can't wait!! So exciting

[@TurboFly07]

does you know what time on the 13th it will be released for EST?

[@BulletNE100]

How do you show the little "screen" in the lower left corner? Thanks in advance

[@Jabbers]

Look for a binding called control indicator

[@BulletNE100]

Ok, thanks a lot for the info! Can you also tell me if the Thrustmaster MFD are worth getting them?

[@rumi.137]

How did you remove that stuff from r-ctrl + enter in the right side and just left the leftside control view?

[@Jabbers]

Ultra wide screen, I actually edited the Lua to move the left side into view

[@theonapo9272]

Awesome video, like every time!!😁

[@Trax117]

I will try the bomb mode... I feel the f14 extremly hard to refuel compared to other aircrafts :( still 0 completed refuelings...

[@Aeronaut1975]

Try the Harrier. The refuelling probe is about 2 metres off to your left so you can't even see it it without completely turning your head so you can't see the tanker...

[@TallyVisual]

Too bad the tanker still directs you to the wrong hose. great video though

[@andrewa9228]

One day I'll get my first successful air to air refueling.

[@jjthomas2297]

I am 2 months in..no luck yet

[@andrewa9228]

@@jjthomas2297 you can do it.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

*cries in old flightstick with massive amounts of assymetrical deadzone*

[@jungletroll3844]

i feel that pain

[@Angus_Gibson]

Killing me, Jabs!

[@Hustler9g]

Everyone please freaken trim it makes a huge difference

[@dalebachman2892]

Are you doing this in VR or Track IR or other?

[@Jabbers]

I do both, for these videos I use trackir

[@dalebachman2892]

Jabbers Thanks for the info. I also have Track IR and VR. I’ve been trying to do this in VR but just don’t have enough buttons on my HOTAS to do everything and the clarity is not as good in VR so I’ll go back to Track IR and try it again but this time put my wings in Bomb Mode and hope the aircraft is more stable because the buffeting is killing me.

[@charlesmagrin6260]

Hey great video here! Little question: I'd like to give rides to my buddies in the RIO seat, do you think it will be possible to be in the pilot seat with the track IR, and a friend slotting in the RIO seat with a VR headset on the same PC? I assume it's not possible to do on the same PC as we cannot run two instances of the game at the same time but still would be pretty neat if there would be any hack to make it possible! guess it would be tough for the rig even with a high end one... thx

[@Jabbers]

Not on the same machine

[@WilliamDurge]

No tanker wants any of our shenanigans. I can't even contact the tanker in the Instant Action refueling mission.

[@Jabbers]

Did you tune the radio to the right channel?

[@jcbak]

Wouldn't it be wake turbulence and not prop wash?

[@Jabbers]

In this case it was from the props

[@TheBranderCZ]

I would say it's only wingtip vortices that's impemented.

[@rall172]

F-14 looks cool as hell! But I'm waiting for the F-16! Next year maybe.......... 😭😭😭😭😭

[@lego473]

Wags said 2019

[@rall172]

@@lego473 Seriously?😳 Do you know which Dev studio is working on the F-16?

[@lego473]

@@rall172 ED is working on it.

[@rall172]

@@lego473 Ahh ok thanks!

[@itsgunter6114]

Late night gang!

[@mcthemis62402]

I press... “/“ “Tanker” “Request refueling” AND THE DAMN HOSE WONT COME OUT!!! What am I doing wrong???

[@Jabbers]

Are you tuned to the right radio channel?

[@mcthemis62402]

Jabbers what is the right radio channel?

[@Jabbers]

You'd have to check the mission brief

[@mcthemis62402]

Jabbers it is the God Damn preset air to air refueling mission! Plus I used Jester to turn radio to Tanker. It still doesn’t give me the hose.

[@endresinkovics4308]

@@mcthemis62402 I have tried it in Instant Action Free flight and it worked without any issues

[@Blackout5871]

I need a way tighter stick before I try this...

[@llamasaveur]

i just spent an hour trying coming from the rear, just thought it was a little windy... FML

[@MrPhantom453]

Damn I hate AAR ... and now its even harder.

[@carsonprince3634]

TOMCAT HYPE!!!!!

[@davict97br]

can't manage to stabilize the cat for refueling for more than 10 seconds.

[@Phoenix_VR]

Since the Tomcat is a 2 seater, is there a chance for a virtual flight school pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase? :)

[@MetalMiIIs]

Fear the bones!

[@sterlingarcher4989]

So glad they made refuelling harder, it was getting sooooooo boring.

[@ExileLuciola]

lolz

[@Scoobydcs]

I had a go at this earlier and ran out of fuel because i just couldnt hook up lol

[@_Gart_]

literally happened to me just now. gets really quiet when those big engines go out

[@Scoobydcs]

@@_Gart_ after half a dozen attempts it clicked somewhat and im alot better now, nothing look good but it doesnt take 20 minutes to hook up and i dont fall off more than once or twice for a full tank lol. its not disimiler to when i learned to drive trucks lol 5 day course and after day 2 i was USELESS came back day 3 and was much better instantly

[@LuisFelipy]

I showed this new prop/jetwash effects to a friend who is a F-5EM fighter pilot and do sometimes AAR on the KC-130 and he told me that this effects are to strong, but he understands that sometimes is hard to simulate such physics.

[@glennharrall8655]

Agree. It looks way overdone to me.

[@Jabbers]

You have to remember a couple things, 1 in the sim we dont get physical feedback, g's, vibrations etc, so visuals and sounds can be used to convey. But also the way the F-14 is made, buffeting is significant Both the F-18 and F-14 have this kind of response to wake. F-18 document about the same tail structure "Randomly varying pressures produced by such phenomena as separated flow, shock wave boundary layer interaction, and wake flows can produce significant buffeting structural response of an airplane empennage." ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910004099.pdf Remember not all planes work the same aerodynamically, and HB has worked really close to SMEs (real pilots and rios) who have given tireless input about response, buffeting, and flight model characteristics.

[@SPFLDAngler]

What I don't get is how Iceman can't refuel himself. The AI can do it, so why can't he?

[@amadoufall3559]

Easier say than done

[@Jabbers]

Practice Practice Practice

[@BillyWunebuger]

Whoo

[@callsignvapor07]

Yeah, I’ll say this: I am unable to get it in no matter what I do.

[@Jabbers]

Practice practice practice... Also I think since I made this video it got a bit harder cause the aerodynamics of the plane change when you extend the fuel probe

[@dunbar555]

This doesn't help me much.... 2 days :D

[@roumi9790]

So why did you look at it ?

[@dunbar555]

It's a joke dude

[@LymarkW]

''The process of A2A refueling is fairly simple'', ''Pretty much all there's to A2A refueling''. One week later, everyone on hoggit complains how f**king impossible it is to do such thing. ;)

[@btc_7874]

Fox 2

[@tituslaronius]

I CAN'T SPEED MATCH FOR SHIT!!!!!!!! It's making me sad

[@fastfiddler1625]

I'm a pilot in real life (non fighter) and I find this crazy hard in the 14. Granted I am using a crappy (but new and not broken in) Logitech 3D pro where fingertip flying is not possible.

[@Endurance0244]

I have that joystick and by setting small curves formation flying is definitely possible. With practice AAR becomes easy, it's really not about the hardware.