The Xeno Threaded Taper Mount | All you need to know

[@Officerporkins]

Any plans to do a closed bottom version? I don't mind the idea of timing the flash hider, so long as I'm not kicking up as much dust when unsuppressed.

[@TBagr]

Best suppressors on the market, bar none. Most amazing customer service in the industry without a doubt.

[@thew1neguy]

Grabbed up an adapter from Hansohn brothers the first day it posted on their website. Would love to see a muzzle brake specifically meant for use with the nomad Ti. A kind of sacrificial baffle to aid in preserving the titanium and redirecting the gas in a uniform nature in the suppressor's blast chamber. You mentioned it, but also a minimalist brake for a low profile/weight option would be nice. Thanks for continuing to be leaders in innovation in the market.

[@onurdmetu]

That intro music.. I've never been this inspired by seeing someone thread a part into another.

[@tonybailey89]

As much a fan as I am of the YHM QD mount...this Xeno system especially with the omnidirectional muzzle brake that maximizes internal can volume, sits very low in the can, helps preserve blast baffles, and doesn't need timing with shims...is gonna take the cake!

[@jackhinson7946]

This guy gives excellent technical advice.

[@Decimus-Magnus]

I want a 3 prong Xeno muzzle device!

[@skennedy1217]

Just got my Xeno mount and flash hider today (for my Nomad-L on a .300 BLK host). Love it and I'm glad I chose this over the YHM Kurz kit. I thought I might want a shorter muzzle device--and maybe y'all are working on that--but it's less of an issue than I initially made it out to be in my head.

[@chupacabra304]

How do you like the Nomad L? I’m gonna start saving for my second can and that seems to be the ticket

[@skennedy1217]

@@chupacabra304 It's my first can and I bought it for a .300 BLK pistol. For that it's perfect. It's a little long and heavy on my other rifles, although for bench or bipod shooting it'd be perfect. Had the Nomad-LT been out at the time, I might have gone with the titanium model. I just bought a YHM N20 for more of an all-around, light-weight, silencer that I can move between multiple hosts. That said, I foresee a dedicated 5.56 can and a .22 LR can in my future, too. Once you start shooting with these you'll wonder why you waited so long!

[@adammathers4879]

How is the xeno mount holding up? Would you recommend it on a home defense setup?

[@skennedy1217]

@@adammathers4879 It's been working well for me so far...no issues. I have been moving the Nomad L to various hosts (have Xeno mounts on 5 or 6 set-ups). I like the simplicity, weight, and repeatable accuracy. As for home defense, I think it would depend on if you want to leave it on, or attach it when you need it. QD might be better for the latter, but anything you do under stress can be more complicated than it seems. Hope that helps.

[@jjsemperfi]

Love the Xeno. Still waiting on a standard directional brake and maybe something in 14-1 LH

[@samrapaport3757]

Shout out to the engineers. Just installed my xeno stuff with a Huxwrx Ventum 556. Super smooth, super easy.

[@brandontigrett8370]

Any issues with it coming unseated? Isn't a feature of the Huxwrx stuff that it is designed to tighten as you shoot. Would the left hand threading of the xeno counteract that? I'm looking at doing the same setup and haven't found an answer.

[@samrapaport3757]

@@brandontigrett8370 I thought the same thing but it definitely walks off. I think the "tighten as you shoot feature" might be unique to the proprietary Hux devices. I keep a multi tool on my belt and give it a crank every few mags - not ideal but seems common across suppressors from what I've read. One other issue with the Huxwrx Ventum itself I'll mention: after just 600 rounds on an 11.5" barrel I had a piece of the blast baffle break off. Didn't notice until I took the can off and a couple little fragments fell out. Hux had me send it in and it sounds like they're going to replace the core. But just FYI this is becoming a common issue. Hopefully they continue to take care of customers and get enough data to improve the design. Suppressors are consumables but 600 rounds is ridiculous.

[@usacenice]

So for muzzle device it’s 25ft-lbs or so. What is the torque for the adapter onto a suppressor? 35? I didn’t hear any numbers. Also, do you recommend between the can and the adapter?

[@1BXB]

Sounds like a lot of best practices and engineering went into this system. Nice work.

[@eee2115]

DA- You guys need to come out with Xeno brake that is a functional brake when not using a suppressor. A couple of ports on the side and top to reduce muzzle flip, recoil, etc. Other people are making it and they are well received by shooters. I just spent a bunch of time to figure out what HUB mount and brake I can buy that has side ports and is a functional brake for my Nomad. PLEASE get some new items out.

[@oceres]

This looks great and I'll eventually buy into it for my 3 Deadair suppressors. FIRST, can I please get a run of key micro brakes for the MPX in 13.5x1? I've been patiently waiting for almost two years and would really appreciate if you could do a run for us.

[@scotthines1995]

Just got mine for my Sierra 5. Does the muzzle brake need shims or to be timed?

[@floridaman9026]

Can I put this one a 14.5 and pin and weld it?

[@jasongaudreau2075]

My personal dream setup. Xeno flash hider and mount.

[@fishdude333]

I would absolutely love more options for muzzle devices. Any plans to allow other manufacturers to produce these like the keymo?

[@jjsemperfi]

I think we’ll all be waiting indefinitely for that. DA doesn’t seem interested in listening to customers.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

LMT and Forward Control Designs (and a longer Expo Arms branded made by FCD) make Xeno devices, and JMac has said they plan to with no ETA.

[@dragon3allzdeep325]

I know this is an old video but is there anything I could use as a thread protector for the xeno for when I’m moving my suppressor around and don’t wanna damage the threads?

[@KGBwarren]

Will these work for a weld and pin option on a 14.5” barrel? Perfect design for what I need if so.

[@107gamma]

I wonder if a pin and weld muzzle device would need be longer? To make legal for pinned length for a rifle. This is the reason for the longer length of the Kemo mount and muzzle devices. This may defeat some of the advantages of this new mounting system. Lighter weight, shorter system.

[@muffemod]

Yes you can pin and weld on 14.5

[@damagedgoods62]

Once again...innovative and detail oriented design. I'll be getting one of these setups for my AR-10!

[@sputnik9708]

any plans for a 3 prong? would love to ditch my keymo!

[@stevenstewart9849]

Do you plan on offering the xeno flash hider or xeno muzzle break in M14x1LH thread pitch??

[@mcbarr76]

This may be a stupid question.... Does the Flash hider need to be shimmed for proper bore alignment or will a crush washer work fine?

[@Argentum7756]

Never use a crush washer for a suppressor mount. Crush washers will not necessarily "crush" down perfectly flat square against the face of the shoulder of the barrel. That can cause wild concentricity issues and may induce baffle strikes. Always use flat shims for timing suppressor mounts. Also this particular flash hider is omnidirectional so it doesn't need to be timed at all.

[@takumif7056]

Hello, I’m wondering what’s the measurement for how far in the suppressor the flash hider would be?

[@maxcole3930]

I'm about to order a wolfman for my cmmg dissent MKG 9mm. But I also wanna put it on my 556 & 300 bo. I'm trying to decide which attachment system to go with. The Xeno or Keymo Micro? Which is lighter & what's benefits to one over other? Also which flash hider does a better job at reducing flash the 3 prong or A1 birdcage? I definitely will be using flash hiders on all my firearms. I don't care much for brakes. Thanks

[@hugoender]

The Wolfman requires the KeyMicro brake in order to shoot supersonic rifle rounds through it. Will the Xeno adapter and brake satisfy this requirement for the Wolfman or do you still need the KeyMicro brake and adapter?

[@LyleH-13]

I hope they hurry and release a xeno micro

[@dirtydan73]

I know it’s been a year but I got confirmation from dead air today that the Xeno Brake with the Wolfman is safe to use. As far as the flash hider goes, he said it could potentially erode that first baffle if used very hard, but that’s covered under their warranty

[@jjsemperfi]

So this vs Griffin (Plan A) Taper?

[@Airborne1409]

Okay what are the max dimensions? I’ve looked everywhere online and can’t find if it’ll fit an BFD. I called and they said it fit and it actually doesn’t

[@JEJAK_777]

Any plans on offering an adapter for SiCo Omega 45K and 9K suppressors?

[@johnhosstx]

So, is the Xeno a replacement for the Keymo systems?

[@flonga1]

I have the SOLGW NOX9 Neutral Timed. How would I get the Nomad30 on there? Thinking about getting the new SOLGW Brown Xeno NOX9 Neutral Timed. What about that? Thanks.

[@_TheBreeze]

When will the brake be available?

[@kenknotts7333]

Does the mount from Surfire can fit the Deadair can?

[@Furyataurus]

So YHM's ratchet style QD ends and muzzle devices will now work with dead air suppressors???

[@rollastudent]

Maybe it’s just a me thing, but I wish there were more muzzle devices in the Mk 12 style. Not with the collar and telescoping over the barrel, but a long single port brake with a thread protector

[@d.d.3629]

Otter creek labs make an over the barrel brake kind of like the Allen engineering one

[@michaelledford9360]

I am really disappointed tht I cannot find ANY adapters for the Wolfman and Dead Air has NO idea when they will get restocked! Can someone tell me when the DA444 will be available?

[@mixflip]

Just double checking...the XENO mount will fit on the Silencerco 36M? The 36M comes with an ASR mount and they mount the same as a XENO correct?

[@JohnBrowningsGhost]

No they don’t mount the same. The adapter for the xeno should thread in the back of your silencer tho.

[@menash41]

I can’t get the Xeno adapter to thread into my brand new Vox S. It hits resistance after a turn or two. I’ve cleaned and lubed the threads. I’m worried I’ll ruin the can. I’ve tried 3 Xeno adapters. The Vox threads look good and the Direct Thread adapter threads on just fine. Edit: I just threaded on a Rearden adapter to the Vox and it went on like butter.

[@kage239]

When can we expect the other muzzle devices?

[@jes0lis]

What's db levels??

[@arnold-moger]

Does this work with YHM Resonator?

[@jjsemperfi]

You guys need to make a Keymo system that is half the weight. Maybe titanium?

[@LyleH-13]

Xeno micro please!!!! I have a form 1 where my spacing to the first baffle is too short for the current brake. Please release a smaller mount!!!

[@jjsemperfi]

Just adjust spacing on the Form 1. Unless it’s already approved…

[@jjsemperfi]

@@LyleH-13 I guess that’s true. You wouldn’t be changing overall length, baffles or bore diameter.

[@stevenbekkering4323]

Still waiting on a xeno mount for big bore. .458?

[@ShooterMedic1818]

Love the Keymo it's the best

[@derek3154]

What’s the length of the Xeno flash hider?

[@TroyPosey]

I have a Springfield Saint Victor 5.56 with the 7.5" barrel, and the 8.5" handguard (factory comp installed) and the 1.3" I.D. handguard... He mentioned the 1-1/8" socket, so obviously it will fit inside of that factory handguard... My question is, what is the distance from the back of the adapter (where it butts-up to the barrel thread tenon) to where it touches the Nomad can itself? I need roughly 1.25" of extension for that suppressor to NOT interfere with the factory handguard. Will this Xeno setup allow that much distance from the back of the mount to where it mounts to the Nomad? If this will give me the distance I need to achieve running my Nomad-LT on my Saint (when my stamp comes back), then I'm ready to order a Xeno for that one gun, right now. If not, is there any way I can pay money to have a custom (extended length) Keymount brake or flash hider made to fit this setup, so I can use my KeyMo for it? There's a lot of these guns on the market, and we all have this issue, and some of us don't want to swap the stock handguard for an aftermarket one when a simple extended mount could be an easy install and solution. If this is possible, please let me know. I'd be more than happy to be a test mule for one, and will pay for the mount. Thanks for all the help!

[@TroyPosey]

@Eric M It's not under... It won't fit under the handguard. I was wanting to know if they would be willing to look into making an extended KeyMount brake/flash hider for folks who have Springfield Saint pistols, since there are TONS of them out there. It would open up a new market opportunity, and allow Dead Air to corner it early, being the innovators of it. The only part of the redesign required to make a KeyMount fit a Springfield Saint Victor with it's current 8.5" handguard with a 7.5" barrel, is to add 1" distance between the threads and the back of the rearward locking lug on the mount. That's it. Simple as that. I've done the measurements and the hard part for them. It's as simple as adding an extra inch between the threads and the lug.

[@TroyPosey]

@Eric M I don't like adapters, as that allows more room for shit to go wrong... Like things loosening up, etc... BUT, at the very minimum a 1/2x28 1" diameter extended direct-thread mount for the 1.375x24 Nomad cans would be acceptable...And probably much cheaper, and easier to make.

[@TroyPosey]

@Eric M I just emailed TROS up in Oregon... We'll see what they say. 👍🏼

[@TroyPosey]

@Eric M Yeah, I’m just trying to avoid that...I like the factory handguard length. Plus, it would open up the market to a lot of new potential purchasers, who might not be as savvy with guns, but still want a quick and easy way to suppress their Saint Victor, without having to disassemble 85% of the upper. Some folks don’t have all those tools. I’ve built a ton of AR’s, so I have all the proper tools, but part of this idea, is also trying to look out for those who don’t, but can easily turn a wrench. 👍🏼

[@TroyPosey]

I ended up contacting TROS, but they wouldn’t even begin to touch it. Guy was honestly kind of an ass about it, but whatever. His loss. I did find someone who will make them in the near future, maybe more than just mine, don’t know. Have to see how mine goes. Might become a stocking item for them... We’ll have to see. I can’t disclose who it is that will be making them right now, but will post up in the future when I can. Just know, it’s a VERY reputable company that makes custom mounts like this all day everyday. So it will be extremely high-quality. 👍🏼

[@Overit5000]

Do asr brakes work with xeno?

[@PkwyDrive13]

Uhh ... No. considering one's right hand thread and the other is left hand thread.

[@kenknotts7333]

Will the Surfire flash holder Warcomp fit of your cans?

[@kenknotts7333]

Fit any of your cans.....sorry this spell checker is not good.

[@StuartA1985]

How does the weight of a 5/8x24 xeno brake + mount compare to a 5/8x24 Key-mo brake + mount? And how long until Sandman cans have a threaded mount instead of a built in keymo?

[@tehmicroer]

"I bet you're asking does it do this? Yes it does. Boom Roasted."

[@TnSteyr]

Really just need some offerings in M18 × 1 need them for are ELR & PRS bolt action set UP's

[@fireboyrasmussen1976]

What's the reason for not making a 556 specific can?

[@boostedbadboyzx12r31]

They do, but its obvious specific for 22 cal projectiles. They recommend 224 for it, if that's all you plan to shoot.

[@thermal_el_jackson]

This is peak performance.

[@robertosborne1753]

You draw out hardness when you nitride it? Did you mean you INCREASE hardness after you nitride it?

[@DomesticTerroristIRL]

My question is... How compatible is the a2 style flash hider version with a bayonet on a carbine length 14.5 inch pin weld with just the muzzle device?? Really want a setup that I can take on and off a suppressor from a pin weld like that which would also be bayonet compatible, if anyone has any info I would appreciate it!!

[@br00klyngreek13]

will this thread into the back of a Sandman-S??

[@Super61Blackhawk]

No. You need a Keymount muzzle brake or flash hider as it is a quick-detach/attach Ratchet-type system.

[@arsenalreview6590]

Love it!! Looks and functions amazing as usual!

[@jimmyvalhalla1939]

It needs to have some kind of lock. Shooting loose is a baffle strike

[@mr.excitement689]

Random thought- why does the sandman come with the mounting system dead air offers + the brake or flash hider dead air offers (90 dollars )but the wolfman, which is priced just about the same, doesn’t come with said 250 dollar mounting system?

[@springjesse]

The KeyMo is welded into the sandman so it holds up better to hard use, comes with the break because you can't use that can without a compatible muzzle device. Wolfman and nomad don't come with it so you can use whatever industry standard system you want.

[@mr.excitement689]

@@springjesse it’s just wild to me because you’re getting an additional 300+ dollars worth of add ons with the sandman, yet the wolfman costs near the same and you get one lousy direct thread mount. It’s meant for 300 blackout, yet the don’t even ship with the “80 dollar “ insert required to direct thread onto a 300 blackout gun. ( 5/8x24 ) Let alone the key micro system they require to shoot anything else. The wolfman is a goldmine in my opinion. You need so much additional stuff to get the usability out of it, it makes the sandman seem like a bargain buy. Only drawback is the sandman can’t shoot 9mm. I regret buying the wolfman.

[@springjesse]

@@mr.excitement689 well for one thing, Wolfman is designed as a PCC can, and won't fit the KeyMo anyway. There are way too many options for a can like that for them to increase the price to include a muzzle device and QD system. Booster, keymicro, three lug, direct thread. Can't please everyone with a single option

[@springjesse]

@@mr.excitement689 you also aren't getting $300 of add ons with the sandman. The KeyMo is welded on and can't be changed, it's integral to the design of the can and factored into the price

[@mr.excitement689]

@@springjesse then I feel like they should market it as a 9mm can. Don’t market something as being able to do something it can’t without buying further into it, when it’s already a higher end priced product. I could even get over the needing the key micro system for .556 because the can really wasn’t designed for that, but it was designed for .300 blackout, so as a minimum, I feel like they should include the 5/8x 24 insert for use with that caliber.

[@ADaddysHope]

Get those SHHHHH shirts and hats back in stock, please.

[@relevation0]

You need a shorter adapter to compete with Q Plan B. Even YHM is making a shorter adapter. You guys would own the muzzle market if u can get that thing as short and light as Q's.

[@Don_Neto_Jr.]

😯 I need one! 🤫

[@jwjim15]

Make a ultralight titanium muzzle device! Many will pay the extra price for the weight savings.

[@107gamma]

Actually the mount adapter is the exact weight of the Plan B titanium adapter. At 9:00 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXSmc2uwoqd8q6c

[@jwjim15]

@@107gamma mount weight is good. I was referring to the muzzle device on its own which is 3.2 oz. If they could cut that down to around to 1 oz it would be great.

[@michaelhead9074]

Cant wait to join the assylum

[@erice4611]

Build a Sierra “7” in .30cal!!!

[@turbobill1747]

I HIT IT....

[@salvadorcastellanos2100]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@mr.excitement689]

He is a thought, dead airs suppressors already command a premium over most others. Getting the price down on the keymo and keymicro mounting system is probably something many of your customers want but worry about being called “poors” for asking. Marketing an 800 dollar can such as the wolfman for use on .556 rifles but asking for and additional 300 + dollars to use it as such, it a bit rough fellas.

[@derek3154]

So keymo and cherry bomb had a baby👍🤣

[@107gamma]

Actually it is closer to just the Cherry Bomb but is better as a muzzle device. But it has reverse threads. So the muzzle device not only gets tighter. But it also won't get stuck in the suppressor like a Cherry Bomb. It also had wrench flats that allow you to get it off. Unlike the Cherry Bomb.

[@MiraSC]

Good god, how am I supposed to decide now for my PCC between 3 lug, Keymo, and Xeno? This is pure evil.

[@fomocore]

Who's typing?

[@patriot_rich]

Me

[@gabemondry]

Dang it, and I just pinned & welded a Dead Air brake to my 14” Recce

[@TrashPanda8169]

What does pin and welding do for your setup now?

[@gabemondry]

@@TrashPanda8169 allows you to have a shorter barrel, so long as the pin&welded muzzle device reaches 16” in length. Pinning and welding makes it a permanent installation according to the ATF, so you can run a 14.5” or 13.7” barrel with any device welded to reach 16”.

[@lucaskrause14]

pliers wrench

[@beretta989]

😎🇺🇸

[@w0263495]

Pronged flash hider!!!

[@sigscout22lr]

Like #556 #winning 🇺🇸

[@knoxkill]

Q did it first lol

[@107gamma]

Actually it is probably better and they solved some of the shortcomings of the Cherry Bomb, Plan B mount. Dead Air Kemo mounts are still some of the best in the industry. Not only does Dead Air innovation continue to make things better. But they're also Innovating systems that are now becoming standardized by the industry. No disrespect to Q's innovation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXSmc2uwoqd8q6c

[@8solideogloria]

I'm switching to this. My Q always falls off and always gets stuck

[@gusvidal4232]

I have a few of you cans but I have to say making a copy of the Q Cherry bomb is sad. That thing is heavy and long.

[@thegolflife7565]

Not as good as the Q Plan B. Doesn’t add any length like this Mount...

[@calebjackson2631]

Plan B muzzle device can stick in the suppressor. Xeno can’t because of the reverse threads between adapter and muzzle device.

[@8solideogloria]

My Q always gets stuck and comes off the barrel. Garbage

[@webviking]

Bad microphone, static, droning voice, and the camera was too far away to see things clearly. We fell asleep.

[@Modsnake98]

Plan b rip off lol