The Death Of Slim Shady (Coupe De Grâce) | DEHH Conversations

[@RobCosta]

“I haven’t been this excited for an album since Jack Harlow!!!” -Ken (2024)

[@edwin99901]

Either way people will hate on it, from the people saying "i wanted old eminem," to the people saying, "eminem is 55 and still rapping about ___." At this point my advice to Eminem is to find a theme, stick to it and ultimately do what truly makes him happy, not trying to appeal to the expectations of every type of listener, (thats one thing that ruined revival, wasn't focused sonically and content wise, i.e. a mix of songs being poltical, personal, fictional or comical, because he thought that he made something that every type of fan will enjoy,) and the real fans like me will appreciate it.

[@HipHopTheology]

100%

[@AST-erisked]

I think that Em could totally do a 4:44 after that. Also, Nas proved that you can talk about a lot of things and experiences that are exclusive for older people. Most of his demographic are middle age and older so they are going to relate.

[@behh3965]

I wish Em just sticks with surprise drops cause people's expectations for this album is already through the roof (from what I've seen) and it's hard to please everyone but he must be really proud of this project so time will tell.

[@warshallwathers7971]

That’s what’s really interesting here, Eminem really seems to be very confident about this for there to be a rollout for it since revival 👀 I’m very excited

[@ShockByte94]

personally i still fuck with Eminem so im excited for it

[@ZEHAHAHA9697]

Hey man, big ups to you tho

[@liammaxwell6114]

@@ZEHAHAHA9697 I think most people do to be honest its just a few podcasts that don’t

[@TheRevenger117]

Needed this video to get away from the beef stuff 😂😂

[@Danny71891]

Man, the standards are so high for Eminem. To the point that these guys are already reviewing an album they haven’t heard yet. Can’t be corny, can’t be woke, can’t be rappity rap, can’t be too conceptual, can’t be too long, can’t be over 45 minutes, can’t have Skylar Grey, can’t sound like Wayne, can’t be himself, can’t be his persona, what is he doing next after this new album you know very little about. So basically you guys didn’t like the album already.

[@Newportnews98]

Or they are saying what everyone else has been saying about Eminem in the last 15 years that ppl dislike about his music

[@thatguysixx]

Bruh we just want em to make better music that’s all, and pick better beats to rap over. Most of his stuff has sounded horrible the last few albums

[@kellweathers]

The standard are high….fam the expectations are low because he’s dropped trash after trash

[@MysticMayne]

🗣️💯

[@MysticMayne]

@@kellweathersNah

[@usheencoleman3913]

"Eminem's gone woke" fuck Ken is getting old

[@Rugireo]

This is ain’t gonna work without Mike, just gonna be Ken hating and no voice of reason

[@odefeoberabor7597]

Yeah. Mike was the main Em fan and balanced the conversations.

[@minz05]

Myke didn’t like new Eminem albums neither so won’t be that much of help

[@dominiquesmith7680]

Ya’ll still talking about myke? Your comment doesn’t even make sense considering Myke don’t even mess with em like that at all, but he said his piece and was ready to move on and we all love him in the dehh community. Can ya’ll move on though?

[@sparktaylor8489]

We're gonna have to get used the fact that without Myke it'll just be an Echo Chamber and yes men

[@diesel101raw]

Eminem & J Cole Collab on this Album is a MUST!!!

[@carlDJS]

Eminem has definitely made a lot of grown music rapping from his perspective about personal experiences, etc. he’s more than capable of it.

[@tofuteh2348]

Eminem at his best imo was always talking to you in a straightforward manner. The lyrics for Sing for the Moment, Toy Soldiers, Lose Yourself and Till I Collapse didn't have its message hidden behind word soup and a choppy flow that sounds like its trying to tetris its way into the beat. "These ideas are nightmares to white parents whose worst fear is a child with dyed hair and likes earrings." He's talking directly to you without any hidden meaning or a message that needs 50 punchlines and metaphors to deliver. That verse still has a complex rhyme pattern and deep lyricism but it doesnt compromise its song appeal for unecessary technical complexity.

[@macksalinas4147]

Agreed

[@nhinged]

Those songs need inspiration Most don't know artists are like energy manipulators He turned his life struggle into heat Turned the walk into fame into fire What he gonna turn into heat now? Idk if eminem gonna make much more heat heat I'm still check it tho and tbh feel he learnt from his last but idk if this gonna work hope I'm wrong af and he kill it

[@RealEricMann]

@tofuteh2348 great way to put it! This is why The Eminem Show will forever be my favorite album of his

[@thekhayriera4811]

why is anyone taking Ken saying “Eminem went woke” seriously 😂😂. Kinge just play all day

[@Shaolinmike1994]

I hope we get that Devil voice looped in, like the start of Slim Shady EP, or on “My Darling”.

[@Therockbestwrestler]

Don’t hate on shit before you hear. That’s wack shit

[@betoq92]

1:18 Myke C Town is back??? Lol

[@directedbysunny]

Oh damn that’s my fault🤣 Was up late keeping up with all the Twitter fiasco between Dot and Drake

[@slylancey]

Had to come back to this video after listening to the album! My predictions on their review! -Feefo and Rod fuck with the album -Beezy likes most of the beats, believing it's Eminem's best production since Relapse -Ken is still indifferent towards the album, but respects it enough because of the production and features -They all hate the Skylar Grey track the most for obvious reasons -Fuel is the consensus favorite track because of JID and the production -Overall, not the best Eminem album, but his very best album to them since Relapse

[@marcosserafim7187]

This is exactly what's gonna happen. These guys are also out of their prime when it comes to reviewing albums.

[@slylancey]

@@marcosserafim7187 I wish/hope Myke makes a special guest appearance in the review in some capacity. He was probably the biggest Eminem fan when he was still apart of the group, and this album would seem like his cup of tea since it gives off Relapse vibes (Evil probably would be his favorite track)

[@JReece3000]

I’m picturing songs like Beautiful, Sing For The Moment, Like Toy Soldiers, Not Afraid, etc.

[@darthsnarf]

That twitter account probably Em's alt account and he was just testing the waters with his concept album 😅

[@Newportnews98]

Naw Ik the account she definitely isn’t a em fan personally

[@AD4Audio]

This is why Eminem doesn't release sneak peaks anymore. He doesn't like people ripping it apart before they even heard it...

[@gintoki_sakata__]

That's being childish... A giant like him being this sensitive is wild It's his fault thou.. His best selection is weak yet there's so many producers that would be happy to work with him

[@gc033]

Born in ‘96 so Em is my goat…born and raised in Southern Cali…Of course I grew up on all the classics…DMX, Nas, Das EFX, Cypress Hill, OutKast, Dre, Snoop, Cube…I can’t wait for this album….Em targeting Summer ‘24🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@LA-mi5up]

I hate that yall act like 4:44 was the first “grown man” rap album as if Nas didn’t do just that in 2011 with life is good

[@Newportnews98]

I think they meant for jay-z

[@Southstar-SuperStar]

Well the point was he made it main stream which take it how you want it.

[@Danny71891]

Daughters is phenomenal on that album.

[@LaraMauk]

Ken stop being a boomer please. “Em gone woke” lololol

[@dantv517]

As soon as Mike leaves hip hop gets exciting again. Rap beef, new Eminem album, and Mach-Hommy just dropped a single with 03 Greedo

[@TheMackoftheyear]

That single good?

[@dantv517]

@@TheMackoftheyear very good ! Sticky hook, nice flow from Mach and bouncy production

[@thebigcheese5114]

I don’t really know what direction he could go in. Staying relevant in today’s climate is tough at his age. Obviously the lyricism is going to be there.

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

let's be honest, at this point it's more about what we DON'T want from Em as opposed to what we do want.

[@aaronhooper3328]

As a former huge Em fan… I haven’t even wanted an Em album since MMLP2 hahaha I probably won’t even listen to this new shit more than an initial listen lol

[@warshallwathers7971]

@@aaronhooper3328you lame then lol

[@officialsonic1]

Album of the year so far for me

[@HipHopTheology]

Music To Be Murdered By was dope so Im excited for this 👌🏿

[@dangelo4671]

Side B was bad tho

[@HipHopTheology]

@@dangelo4671 Yea the delixe wasn't amazing but I love the original album (Side A)

[@Batolsai]

HAve 2 theory one he gonna slowly "kill" slim shady and At the end of the Album he gonna Say the classic "I'm just playing Slim you know we Love you" or the whole Death of Slim is a Prank and Slim gonna be on Steroids on this album bc we heard Slim peaking out on MTBMB with the tracks " I Will and Discombobulated" I think as his "grown man" music he can do more tracks like that "Darkness" that shit was deep and very well put, also like the motivational ones he did on the MMLP2 era (Phenomenal / Beatiful Pain / Kings Never Die) i Like what He did on MTBMB Side A so I'm excited for this one!!

[@maroonkennedy6213]

How y'all hating before we even get a single 😂

[@Shaolinmike1994]

Regardless, im very excited for this album and where Eminem will take it. I like that it has a theme. And if it’s a goodbye to his persona, then so be it. He’s gonna be 55 soon. I just hope to hear great production, some cool features, and great lyrics from Slim.

[@Him_Downstairs36]

The majority of Em’s songs weren’t produced by Dre. It was the Bass Brothers and Luis Resto

[@hussainalyami493]

exactly, Eminem himself produced more songs on his albums than Dre. But they can't see that because of skin color.

[@agbrenv]

Relapse is the exception to that

[@6eostorm]

Hopefully he does something dope similar to Kendrick’s “Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers” I predict a double album, side one Slim Shady, side two Eminem.

[@Fiendy]

That would be dope 🤔

[@aaronhooper3328]

I might be wrong but wasn’t a huge problem people had with Em post-relapse, was that he started losing that Slim Shady type persona and moved to become closer to what’s popular in the mainstream? Outside of a handful of songs, hasn’t he already kinda killed the alter ego? So idk how much a “killing of slim shady” album after trying to kill it since 2010 or whatever is the correct move imo

[@sultan788]

well he never made an official announcement of it character wise, he's just been trying to avoid the persona but brings it back every now and then (like he did on Kamikaze) Pretty sure the concept of this album is more of a message to his fans, like "please stop telling me to be Slim. I'm older, i don't need to be against "the system", i'm chill" Which now let's him focus on Marshall/Eminem more

[@officialchoccypop]

Nah it’s his flow and delivery that changed. He traded in that slick fluid delivery pause for that staccato rushed double time flow. Also started relying too much on Word play and punchlines instead of imagery and storytelling which is his superpower.

[@emsee7602]

I think Em should zone in with 1 producer for the whole album, preferably The Alchemist because that is the most realistic option, an Al is dope. (I wrote this comment before watching the video)

[@BAMBINOHIM]

tbh, Eminem can make an album with songs like DARKNESS... political and personal as well.

[@nhinged]

You underestimate how crazy that song is then idk who else could write that

[@thedon2880]

He did it on the Eminem show as well

[@kiwaunj89]

Em is like the Tom Brady & MJ of Hip Hop so I've learned to "NEVER" doubt him!! 🔥🎙️🐐💯

[@random4life197]

Need Myke back

[@sparktaylor8489]

We desperately need Myke back

[@qthe6thman]

Spike real

[@Him_Downstairs36]

Em can’t have a 4:44 type album at this stage because every album has had personal songs and moments. His songs have always been either Slim Shady shit or personal. U can tell they never truly listened to his albums. Damn near every song on The Marshall Mathers LP was personal.

[@cw2962]

Hell like half of relapse was as well

[@nickmaisano5770]

@@cw2962what? No it wasnt

[@Artimao]

I can understand almost all criticism around Em's projects in the last decade, but the thing abou he not having "content" or not being "mature" is honestly such a superficial take.

[@giovannidejoie8618]

My problem with his new stuff isn’t what he says but how he says it….there’s too many corny punchlines & he sacrifices the bounce of his flow for a complex rhyme scheme it makes his flow sound very choppy it’s not appealing to me not a fan of rappity rap lyrical miracle angle of his music i would appreciate more if he focused on how it sounds as much as how technical the rapping is

[@Artimao]

@@giovannidejoie8618 I can totally agree with you on that. He has some nice concepts but it's failing to deliver it properly

[@romaretaylor9953]

@@giovannidejoie8618 listen to recovery his flows aren’t really choppy on there, I agree he had a period when he was too focused on like tryna be a technical wizard even on some pop corny ass beats but post kamikaze he’s been getting smoother again imo

[@giovannidejoie8618]

@@romaretaylor9953 recovery the rapping was good but I didn’t like the corny pop-rap beats….same issue I had with mmlp2 the rapping was great…not as good as his first 3 albums but still very good but I didn’t like the corny rock-rap beats…..to me his production has been weak since recovery…..relapse was the last album with great production by Dr Dre…people didn’t like it because of the accents & the weird serial killer alter ego but the accents didn’t bother me since he did that on encore as well…sure the lyrics were kinda silly on relapse but it fit the whole aesthetic so it worked for me

[@oldheadinspirit]

I'm very tentatively excited for the project. But tbh once I saw he was doing a Beyonce like roll out I immediately lowered my expectations.

[@OmoruyiOmofonmwan]

What do you mean by Beyonce type roll out?

[@oldheadinspirit]

@@OmoruyiOmofonmwan high budget production roll out. Not a single or a teaser. Gives a full on popstar vibe imo

[@OmoruyiOmofonmwan]

@michaellacey7730 Ahh. I think he started doing that after Revival. Remember, Revival had like a whole rollout with the leading single track, which ironically featured Beyonce. That track sucked, and then people saw the track list and noticed all the pop star features and talked shit about that too. Then the album came out, and it was absolutely garbage, so after that he has been doing surprise drops. He is probably too scared to do a full complete roll-out again. Haha

[@oldheadinspirit]

@@OmoruyiOmofonmwan yup you're right. I did forget that though. ironicly Walk on water was the only song I liked on that album 😅 I'm cool with a more somber, introspective, socially conscious Em, but Revival wasn't the way to do that.

[@gintoki_sakata__]

​@@oldheadinspiritthey said he never does a roll out.. What's wrong

[@AROOOOF]

A murder case type of album would be dope af. If Em executes this he’ll join Nas as the only other ‘old school’ rapper to assert himself in this decade

[@geekedmedia]

If he don't bring back the Bass Brothers and D12 on the features it ain't Slim Shady

[@ajgdwn]

Idk if talking about his issues is gonna change anything. Em's done that in the past and people have clowned it for his approach

[@derrickzorns6506]

He basically remaking relapse it’s kinda the same concept that was a good album people just don’t like the accents

[@Newportnews98]

Thank you

[@fyoutube2294]

The album isn’t even out yet

[@sparktaylor8489]

Honestly if it is that, I'd argue that is probably one of the best angles em could go for and be the most successful at doing so. Most people these days have finally come around to agreeing that Relapse was a good album it's just the accents annoy people or get on the nerves after some time etc etc. And whenever we've gotten something Relapse esq (notably when we got Discombobulated from MTMB Side B) people ate it up and many myself included saying it was one of his best tracks in a while

[@derrickzorns6506]

@@sparktaylor8489 I been wanting relapse 2 for a minute so if it’s similar to that album I’m probably gonna like it

[@johnx9399]

The concept of the tweet sounds cool but I'm worried it won't go this direction especially with that feature list floating around. I will go in there with the lowest expectations but would be happy to be proofed wrong. Also props to Spike he has been a great addition the past few videos he has been on

[@fyoutube2294]

I think that feature list was confirmed fake recently

[@harbingerofd00mticktock]

Top 4 Eminem album. After his 3 classics (SSLP, MMLP and Eminem Show), this is #4.

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

If Eminim raps like he is with Royce in Bad Meets Evil, or Caterpillar, hell even if he has lyrical thoughts when he was just talking on Royce Allegory album.

[@cw2962]

They say he corny but these new rappers are saying even less and less topic wise. He made Not Alike for a reason

[@LaraMauk]

I’m always here for a new em album but I’m not expecting greatness. I hope I’m wrong.

[@tonylavagnaart3865]

I feel that this album needs to be a return back to the Eminem of old. The album feels as though it has a solid concept, and much like Relapse or Kendricks GKMC album, I'd like to see each song tell a story and be connected to each other. I really hope its not like MTBMB where it seems to have a horrorcore concept but really dosnt. The only thing that gets me excited for this is the mention of Slim Shady.

[@chaoticprogress]

Yeah and I'd like to see Em REALLY do that for once. He's never truly done it even with Relapse. At best he themes an album. But he's never connected the whole thing as a story, which is madness bc he's one of the best storytellers in rap history. But yeah it does feel like he's actually maybe going to do that this time. I hope so.

[@Melohoops_21]

Eminem about to run the rap game again 💯🔥💪

[@bayareaplaya6004]

Shit hot trash

[@Ali-kw3dg]

I am excited for eminem album becuase of the producers and also Nas and Dj Premiers album. These 2 album have the potential to be best albums of 2020s. I think that if eminem has good features in the album, it could be classic, and the features should be just rappers, no r&b and pop singer. just Hip Hop and maybe rap rock features like Zack De La Rocha or Mike Shinoda would be awesome. Eminem and Pusha T or Kendrick would be awesome features.

[@srz253]

Didn’t ransom and Rome Streetz have an album called Coupe De Grace?

[@Southstar-SuperStar]

Yeah great album to

[@Hunterese123]

I want this album to be Eminem's 4:44, like when Jay killed Jay Z on that album and became just his real Shawn Carter self. If Eminem does that and really reflects on his career, and have those producers? We are looking at probably a top 5 Eminem album. Plus he signed Griselda, so him having Daringer production isn't far fetched at all.

[@giovannidejoie8618]

No way Eminem is gonna do a straight up Boom bap album he hasn’t done that since Infinite…& that album wasn’t received well…it’s the whole reason why he created the slim shady alter ego…he was frustrated about the industry & how his life was going at the time…plus his heavy narcotics use…i’m sure he will have some boom bap production but i don’t think he would do that for a whole album…..as long as he doesn’t go full pop…with the corny hooks the production isn’t really the problem…what he needs to nail is the lyricism…less rappity-rap lyrical miracle & more substance…wether it’s introspective or humor mixed with social commentary like his old stuff…not corny wordplay & double entendre for the sake of being clever…& not having to sacrifice the bounce of his flow & delivery just for a complex rhyme scheme….basically rapping wise he needs to get back the basics of what his music compelling in the first place…i’m not asking him to re-create his old stuff…i want him to evolve but still not lose what made his old music great in the process of that growth…if he does that he can make his best album since relapse or even since the eminem show…but i doubt it…cause that’s a very high bar

[@philipbenjamin7083]

Why are they already complaining and asking what comes next? This album isnt even out yet

[@fyoutube2294]

Hey im excited for it, I still rock with em

[@Lentiii]

4:05 aight grandpa let’s get you back to bed

[@achronos178]

I need a full Alchemist WestsideGunn album Pray For Detroit Just want Grimmy Em

[@BlackMusicGenre]

Eminem waited to long to turn the corner. He ate off of the corny element for 25 years. He has skills, but he never found his lane sonically or content wise. Compared to Nas and his run the last couple of years, Eminem has a lot of catching up to do. Nas & Premier > T.D.O.S.S

[@TexasNightmare210]

Everyone loves technical fast rapping until Em does it. Tech N9ne and RTJ are celebrated for being technical but Em gets shredded for it

[@anchorageant7545]

Nobody want that from anyone, not just em. You prolly old af

[@MysticMayne]

That old head take is corny bro, you probably think NBA Youngboy is profound (FOH). 😂

[@TheSkaOreo]

Because he’s not good at it. Like I keep hearing this, in fact I’m pretty damn sure OP is either reading off of some script, or he’s the same person I saw saying it on Reddit. And I’ll make the same response: it’s because people think those artists are better than Em. It’s that simple.

[@immortalkombvt]

Just because you rap fast don’t mean the song is good and to me that has been Eminem’s issue. RTJ and shit even tech n9ne who I think fell off super hard have made good songs in the last idk 10 years lol eminem been missing my guy.

[@TexasNightmare210]

@@anchorageant7545 yeah ok. People love Black Thought, Aesop, etc for being super technical but nobody wants that from anybody huh? lol

[@RoddyRodbb]

Yall are setting yallselves up for disappointment

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Exactly. Dude don’t have it in him anymore. Eminem hasn’t made really good music in a crazy long ass time. His suburban/mobile home park fans will glaze regardless though lol

[@RoddyRodbb]

@chiarosuburekeni9325 like seriously his last few albums have basically been promoted as "concept" albums and then when you heart that shit it's like...where?

[@CrackCECKer]

these Eminem fans are mad butthurt about an honest and casual discussion between hiphopheads. As an Eminem fan, I'm yet again embarassed

[@RagingGuts-tl7ot]

Why are you embarrassed? As a EM fan you should know why the back him so hard, especially when he gets criticized for the wrong reason alot of the time. people have a right to feel a certain way about things that's life.

[@Pettywins]

I’m not asking for much: better beats, no robot flow. MAXIMUM 1 fast rap song, no dad joke punch lines. In fact I don’t want punch lines at all. Just talk and make it rhyme. Old Eminem was not a punchline heavy rapper

[@terribletimes902]

I actually want an album where he sounds like he did on Infinite

[@carlDJS]

Man, that would be great. Denaun Porter’s production was so good on that album, Em needs to use his beats more

[@sparktaylor8489]

Hot take This album could basically just be Relapse 2 without the accents and I think it would be the easiest angle em could go for that would be successful. There is other angles especially in the conceptual side that can definitely work and be even more successful and would be better but I doubt we'd get that. At this point it's generally agreed by most that Relapse was not a bad album people just didn't like the accents and they got tired etc etc However beyond that it's a good album and the times we got something Relapse esq people ate that shit up (Notably Discombobulated from MTMB Side B, many people including you guys ate that up and wanted more) And I think if he finds that groove and sticks to it, we'll get a nice album

[@gerbennett1068]

I personally don't have a clue who these guys are. That's not me being disrespectful. I'm Scottish. Anyway, it's interesting for these guys to have such opinions on Em , yet one of them said, "When did he come out early 2000s?"

[@aperson7303]

If you're Scottish then you need to butt out any hip hop conversation for sure and for good.

[@Alansworstnight]

These guys are of the culture.

[@Jlizard27]

@@aperson7303what a stupid, ignorant comment. The fact that you’re getting upvoted means DEHH are definitely smarter than a lot of people who watch them. Do you remember the DEHH UK shirt? Got anything to say on that, or are you just a fair weather fan?

[@thedon2880]

They are pretty well versed in hip hop, they haven't been fans of Eminem since post TES and that's standard for a lot of old head rap fans.

[@rahulraheja6919]

He also did post a pic with Dre, Ez Mil, Alchemist, Mr Porter and Royce. Not tryna get my hopes up but the people around him seem good

[@mangyaninthecity99]

True ..let's go 2200

[@chaoticprogress]

Whoever 'guessed' that concept in 2021... which is how long he's been working on it. That doesn't make no sense. That sounds like what it's going to be too.

[@chaoticprogress]

lol them talking about... 'we don't know if he can do mature man rap'... wtf they talking about. He's been doing plenty of it his whole career. And recently. How tf is Arose not... it's one of the most somber, emotionally mature fucking things I've ever heard in rap. They're acting like all he does is rap silly shit or like slim shady or technical scheminical. How is Darkness not mature, how is Never Love Again, how is Zeus; Castle... and always... fuckin', Mockingbird, he's been doing this forever. Going Through Changes.

[@duranarts]

4:00 I swear this dude always makes me stop watching your videos... Like @Therockbestwrestler said, hating on an album before it is released is fucking wack.

[@raulgrijalva16]

I know the Stans are hurt by this conversation but as a Em fan I’m excited by this release. My hope is that Em will make the first great Em album in 20 years. Hopefully he won’t do that stupid rapping fast, and actually have some great production and let the producers come up with great hooks.

[@JReece3000]

1:17 damn yall mfs done made me sad 😂 no need for that graphic anymore ☹️

[@othelliusmaximus]

Another ❗ Kenspiracy ❗ Eminem is going woke 😂😂

[@robensonbadette6102]

The way he said it was hilarious too, Ken man 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@UnholyMalucel]

So he merged with slim on evil twin, and now he's killing him? aight then.

[@senorsavage8702]

this ain’t marvel comics

[@warshallwathers7971]

Now that Myke is gone… the Eminem hate is gon be insufferable 😬 but if you listen to Eminem’s verse on “Lace It” (by Juice Wrld’s) it’s such a great and personal verse of his because he’s practically giving advice and is speaking like a grown wiser man to the audience about drug use. I think he is heading down that path (if not then that’s fine too since he’s always been talking about grown man stuff throughout his career). Even tho he’s been doing that for years I think him turning 50 made him wanna focus more on his Legacy. Regardless, stop mentioning Jay-Z for crying out loud

[@lvngwndw9244]

I wonder if Marshall is scared to work with the great producers of underground hip hop? If he has been with "yes men" for so long, he may not want to face the quality underground producers because he knows they wont be impressed if he cant bring the quality to match and they will be honest about it. He'll have to face the fall off of his career if he cant make a track with Alchemist sound good.

[@malod]

With a well established, celebrity rapper it’s considered a money/promotion opportunity. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s not like they’re going to say, “nah em, can’t do this. I ain’t feelin it.”lol

[@lvngwndw9244]

@@malod Not exactly my point but that's a fair one. My point wasn't about the producers working with Em and why they do, but why Em wont work with talented, underground producers like The Alchemist and alike on a full album. Marshall is set for a king's disease style return to hip hop, something mature and purely for the art. But I wonder if he knows he is too far gone to make something that is truly artistic and not just for commercial appeal?

[@malod]

@@lvngwndw9244 well yeah he has shown that he can get insecure a bit. As far as far gone, just say that to guys like Big Daddy Kane and those guys. A true hip hop artist never dies, but we’ll see. It would have to be him not caring anymore to drop off.

[@MrShaiya96]

@@lvngwndw9244not really sure where this comment is coming from. Eminem has been on plenty of features with producers he doesn’t usually work with. & he almost never ruins his feature, except maybe the Griselda track. 2) it has never been hinted that he has an issue with having a normal conversation with producers about what sound he should rap over. That was pulled out of thin air

[@MrShaiya96]

@@lvngwndw9244”kings disease” nas is not the template for how to age gracefully in hiphop. His music has always been somewhat moody pro-black, so u almost expect this transition. Eminem should be compared to someone like Brother Lynch Hung, the father of horrorcore rap, who is still making ACCLAIMED horror rap albums, & he’s also an Old Head, too, staying tru to his lane. One shouldn’t expect South Park to suddenly become a Drama suddenly overnight. Why expect that of Em? this is all untred territory for every hiphop artist growing old. Who are we to say what the “tone” should be?

[@immortalkombvt]

I think I’m just over Eminem albums. I think if he stops making these commercial ass rap albums he can appeal to the spitters again. Don’t get me wrong he still has amazing rap ability I think hes just missing what makes him so great. If he goes back to just rapping again like he did on “infinite” or SSLP . I would listen. And idk what his issue is with always picking the alchemist throwaway beats. Needs to be addressed.

[@patrickstar3066]

I think these people are jealous of Eminem’s lyrical agility ability cause he’s so talented with his pen game

[@Newportnews98]

🧢🧢🧢🧢

[@patrickstar3066]

@@Newportnews98 how is it cap

[@Yo-Ah-Kim]

Sure that’s it 😂

[@patrickstar3066]

@@Yo-Ah-Kim hater gonna skate

[@RebelWithoutABoss]

Wait, is he paying that girl for the idea if he actually does it like she's saying? Also, if this is what the album is I might give it a listen. I don't want Em to go back to serial killer/incel rap (which was great at the time) and I don't want this Em that's too obsessed with technical skills to get good beats and actually make good songs. I think the best Em would be Infinite era Em but more matured. He doesn't have to go back to that Infinite style, but that was probably the last time he seemed like a normal human being for an entire album.

[@foreignhustle6634]

Damn I thought yall was going to review Marciology

[@swandivemusic]

Basically, expect these guys to hate it no matter what.

[@bipinsamsohang]

my god Ken is hilarious!

[@brandonfinley2770]

You all like 2 chains, but you dont like Em?

[@Newportnews98]

2 chainz has been better then em this last few years

[@Yo-Ah-Kim]

Lmao 2 Chainz music is so much better than Eminem’s 😂

[@supakev1096]

I want Em on boom bap beats. Sorta like Benny the butcher.

[@djfusionkotb]

75% tracks were boom bap beats inspired on the death of slim shady album lol what are you hearing? Certainly hardly any modern day southern style trap beats people perfer nowadays lol.

[@kennethbailey7105]

1:18 I’m pretty sure that’s rod and not Myke

[@chreed5837]

I think Em should tap into his old shit and I hate to say it but his voice and how he rhymes is off to me now. I cannot put my finger on it but his tone just sounds like he has a satirical vibe all the time. His music used to provoke emotion and I hope this can come back to that.

[@BrandNameLess]

love Spike Lou as new member

[@shurikenflip9818]

I lost all hope after i saw that lineup

[@andrewkelly1337]

I mean hey if theres a couple good tracks that'll be something

[@stepj7973]

Didn't Eminem already kill Slim Shady at the end of Encore?

[@sophakingcool5532]

yep. BUUUUTT if you listen to the bonus track like "My Darling", then you'd understand. Its pretty damned good

[@DibsEquipped]

Right direction for Em.

[@BrandonWheatley-ws3jd]

NO ONE HURT EMINEM UNDERSTAND ME DESTINY HAS RESERVED THAT PLEASURE IS MINE AND MINE ONLY

[@NasiaChristine]

Well if yall listened to MMLP2, Recovery, Revival and Relapse were all grown man raps he had just got back after his hiatus. But no one liked those albums because he was grown.

[@chaoticprogress]

Relapse @ grown man raps? Lol woot. It's 90% serial killer and drug talk.

[@NasiaChristine]

@@chaoticprogress I say that because that’s the first album he did after his hiatus he has to learn to learn how to speak, rap and write again. You gotta know his story to understand.

[@Yo-Ah-Kim]

Noo. Because the music is simply not good. That’s all. Live with it. Plus the pop influence makes it so much worse.

[@superdopehiphop]

Not sure what’s cornier Em Stans who don’t understand/know Hip Hop at all, or Em haters on the wave. If you didn’t think Darkness, I Will, Yah Yah Yah, Ringer, Fall, Good Guy, Greatest, SteppingStone, Book Of Rhymes, Zeus, Ya’ll Gon Learn, NotAlike, KillShot, LuckyYou were good to dope on Em’s last 2 albums I don’t know what to tell you. There were def misses on Kamikaze MTBMB also (Nice Guy was horrid as was song with Ed Sheeran and Into Deep to name a few), but to act like there wasn’t any dope songs/concepts/skill just means you don’t like Em period. They literally thought Em took an idea from someone on twitter in 2021 when he’s been working on this idea of the death of Slim Shady since 2010?!?😅🤣 Every HipHop head (including myself since late 80s but especially 1991) has wanted Em on more classic raw boom bap hip hop production. That goes without saying and I still don’t understand why he hasn’t done it more the last 25 yrs knowing how much of a head he is. He can get any producer he wants! Em you will sell a ton no matter what! Give us a boom bap EP/LP or at least 3-4 songs per album!

[@jacobwells5924]

Love what you stated. And I do really feel you on the ed Sheeran track on MTBMB but u need to go relisten to it and hear it for what it is. Cuz he really got some dope shit on that feat.

[@mikaameesh]

slim shadys been dead to me for nearly 15 years and then em announces a album called "btw, im dying if u even care"

[@HoodMan19]

Why so much hateful vibes from dehh this past few years

[@johnx9399]

Which hateful vibes their criticism seems pretty productive

[@HoodMan19]

@@johnx9399 na ken be hating on everyone. It's like he don't want to be doing this

[@MFWEST-r2y]

He needs to inspire himself from GFK's 12 reasons to die

[@Nazhussain07]

I don't get the Skylar Grey hate, she's written some fantastic hooks.

[@stevieb274]

Makes the song too poppy sometimes

[@mikaameesh]

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[@gintoki_sakata__]

For you... Not us Eminem fans

[@Nazhussain07]

@@gintoki_sakata__ ah now I'm not a fan for having a different opinion okay. Well let me be immature too. Gindoody suckassa

[@helpoj]

I just want him to get politically incorrect and say dunb shiet in a creative way again that isnt tii lyrically comolex

[@liammaxwell6114]

How can you say that jay z 444 was a young person album and and how can he be trying to make it fit in but be different, that don’t even make sense