Deadly In The City | Selecting a Battle Rifle

[@priority19]

We have a couple SF guys in our group, they do a class called the 100 meter class,, great class! They say 95% of their engagements in Iraq were 100m or less, and they were breathing hard and steady moving... so they say go run 100m then engage then run again and again... thanks for all ur great videos!

[@jordendavid8992]

I think another thing is too is that unless someone is shooting at you a long distance you sure as hell don’t wanna just start gunning people beyond 300 yards if you don’t know 100 if they are gonna be an issue even if they carrying because fightings cool unless you wanna live

[@robertburgess749]

No body cares about SanFran guys :)

[@quhectic221st]

The length of a soccer field is a pretty nice distance anything above that you better be a good shot or your just giving away your location if you miss lol.

[@thewalkingdead9302]

I think it would have been better to view fields than towns ya know.

[@shovelhead2155]

​@@thewalkingdead9302More people live in towns

[@GruntProof]

*things no one else is doing

[@mattmarzula]

*online as a branding effort

[@GODSONLY-e1m]

Yes sir his guy is speaking the fact as a new gun owner I can agree not anybody is going to be shooting long ranges in urban or rural

[@223dmr7]

I understand what he is saying but on the other hand, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. That's the Way I was brought up. If you don't need that capability then awesome but if that situation Was to arrive then you can deal with it. And it may never happen who knows, nobody knows what is going to happen We can sit around and speculate all day long nobody knows what is going to happen. Jesus Christ is the only one who knows what is coming. We can prepare the best way we can that's all we can do. The best thing we can do is give our lives to Jesus Christ and keep our Noses in the word of God. I'm not saying to stop training stop shooting stop buying ammo. I think it's good to prepare that way but, it's also a great idea to get our souls prepared to leave the Earth. Honestly I hope I am raptured out of here before all this c*** starts. A men

[@alexbell8865]

Love your content brother.

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

Yup, I carried a Remington 870 in Panama. I gave my pointman the option first and he preferred the A2. A shotgun is 2nd nature to me and preferred for those "he sees me, I see him" moments in the jungle.

[@mattmarzula]

And never fired a shot in anger the whole time...

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

@@mattmarzula Go ahead, tell us about the 'Nam.

[@tuomasholo]

My SHTF rifle is a Ruger 1022. It’s what I can afford.

[@gunsofmasseffect4321]

If ir makes holes, then that is better than nothing, I always said in the ultimate survival scenario, a Ruger 1022 with a Ruger SR22 both with threaded barrels, with the right ammo, it can feel all sorts of roles.

[@photobygary]

The 10/22 you have and can afford will be more effective than the AR15 you can't afford and don't have.

[@johnwallace7694]

@@photobygary @ Ruger 10-22 & @ MK2 pistol are essential base gear.

[@photobygary]

@@johnwallace7694 Essential? That's really more opinion than anything. Fortunately, I have both an AR platform and a 10/22.

[@bowieupland6112]

Excellent choice.

[@andybannon7680]

300 meters to the IHOP and you’re not eating pancakes?

[@everettrhay4855]

Waffles!

[@ManInTheWoods76]

He hadn't prior ran it through METT-C and the Frag-O wasn't justified. But he most likely returned to the release point with adequate SALUTE.

[@MikeMcclendon1377]

Great observation... Let's go eat!!😂😂

[@whatscookingwithbigpoppi747]

Best comment ever! 😂

[@whatscookingwithbigpoppi747]

The ammo quotient was spot on. Thanks!

[@EquipaPatriot]

Acquiring 5.56x45 ammunition for my AR-15s is tough with my budget. So far I have two full ammo cans. I conserve that ammunition and train with .22 LR using a CMMG conversion kit for the AR-15 and a Taurus TX-22. This I recommend to anyone who is in a similar situation to mine.

[@michaelmoran8780]

An A2/A4 style with the 20" barrel for velocity and rifle length gas system IMHO gives you more than enough for almost any situation.

[@parisford2020]

avoid gunfights at all costs, youre gonna get unalived eventually

[@CORNDODGER]

DONT GET DEAD

[@KeikoFXDesigns]

Yup saves money too lol.

[@davidkim9898]

I’d rather be dead than incorporate unalive in my vernacular

[@Gripmagic]

Law of eventualities, eventually you get dead

[@photobygary]

True dat. The only gunfight you can be sure to survive is the one you never get into.

[@AntiFederalist58]

Another epic win from 1SG Stoker. Another consideration is ammo. I was banging steel at 500 yards yesterday with iron sights. My A4 clone likes 55gr in .223 and not 5.56. The heavier bullets don't work as well with mine. That being said, an optic helps a lot with my 65 year old eyes. Then, I changed to the large aperture and worked the plate rack.

[@WesternReloader]

I took my range finder to the suburb of Los Angeles called Burbank, and the furthest line of site I could range before obstruction by buildings/trees was 400 yards, MAX. Without being elevated that is

[@chrism2042]

My go to is a 18" MK12, 77 gr ammo, scoped with quality QD mount, flip-up irons and offset red dot. 50-500+, no problem

[@JMark-zk5pj]

The Germans went with the 7.92x33 kurtz (late in the war) for a reason, from years of combat experience.

[@KINGRODP]

FACTS

[@John77787]

I really like the saying "Lead by example" and Stoker is doing it.

[@lewis9888]

If everyone on the team has available: 556/223, 7.62x39, 7.62x51/308, 9mm, 12GA and 22lr (for game), the team has all the weapons needed as long as they have plenty magazines and ammo. Comms on all team members is a must.

[@jaymeyer9933]

Good advice, the exception being out on the western prairie. If you live where the antelope roam literally, you need LR capability

[@ryansnitker941]

For sure. I agree with 95% of what he’s saying, but in towns in the Midwest, the distance gets pretty nutty. But the skill to shoot that far is definitely rare haha

[@everettrhay4855]

I like your content and you raise many valid points. Sadly too many people are focused on using their cordless hole punch and not being able to effectively treat, themselves or others with holes.

[@recon1986]

100% man. That's the whole reason why you only have ONE designated marksman in a fire team for those stagnant 350+ shots on target

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

you aint gonna HAVE any fire team, safe base to run back to, air cav to help you, or chopper evac, med care, no taxpayers funding everything. So what you'd BETTER do, if shtf, is stay in your tunnel during daytime, have a year's supply of food scatter buried at your BOL and that BOL BETTER be in the woods around your local water source. The roads will be full of stalled vehicles and ambushes, so you're not going anywhere by road. You can move 100-150 lbs of stuff, walking beside a mountain bicycle, depending upon terrain. If 100 lbs of that stuff is coconut oil and nut butters, that's enough food for 100 days of hiding in a tunnel and losing no weight. Because it's so full of fat, such food can be mixed with enough diced, boiled, then fried tree cambium to last another 1-2 months and then your bodyfat will get you thru another 1-2 months. 6 months after shtf, 90% of the population will be dead, so you might be able to get away with (at night) using sprouts to feed yourself until you can harvest your root veggies and peanuts. But it would be MUCH better if you had a few 20 gallon drums of grains, powdered-milk, salt, sugar and Koolaid scatter-buried out there,

[@AldoSchmedack]

​Come on man, planting crops when? In war? In shtf? Under what cover while you do it? Carrying over 100lbs? Not loosing weight? Are you serious?! Also after not having enough calories your body will shut down to slow mode after a few days and you can't keep up with physical needs like you used to, few can last more then a few days without grub anyway before they go bonkers and cheat and that's in non shtf, try it sometime, and you aren't gonna be thinking or shooting clearly at all without food to run the brain. I take it you never have fasted or done without food long and tried to move or function. And you ain't gonna find no cover for long unless in a group. You need friends to make it, this is not Rambo meets mr farmer. And eating tree cambium? Like you can gather enough or have time or nit be seen doing it! Hide in a cave? Where they can smoke you out ir bury you? Like there is enough of those for everyone. Please be realistic.

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

@@AldoSchmedack just cause you're stupid doesn't mean I am. You have no choice but to have some crops, tended at night, scattered and hidden, after a year. The fish and game will alll be gone in 2 months, with the produce and stored food. the dogs and cats will all be eaten in another month. then the cannibalism will start in earnest. 50% of the population i will be dead in 4 months, 90% in 6 months.

[@recon1986]

@@SonnyCrocket-p6h are you a fucking idiot? Who are you to tell me what I have and dont have or what I should or shouldn't do.. last I checked I was the 0321 here not you...

[@JBentham-pd3pi]

Having fought in Iraq for almost 2 yrs, i can safely say, if all you ever do is prone or bench shooting at a static range then you're SOL. You have ranges of distance you're use to, and then you have those same distances however the building and topography will distort your brain if ypu haven't trained in those non permissive environments. I think instead of worrying about range so much, that's its equally important to focus on your ability through whatever optic you have to see clarity at distance. Don't believe me, go outside in your neighborhood and look at a corner of a house at 90yds through a red dot or irons, then take the same target and now look at it through some level of magnifying optic, and of course you say, but its that ability to squeeze a dime out of a penny with clarity vs trying to hit something the size a lego character.

[@chuckgrove8516]

Agreed

[@moonchild2213]

Urban enviornment- if you look tacticool then you will be the primary target in that environment. The guy walking out of the package store with a bottle of whiskey and a Buck 119 on his belt will probably live much longer in a target enriched environment.

[@JBentham-pd3pi]

@@moonchild2213 you could have easily just said : Urban Guillie suit, I mean if you want to take it to the next level, you can go to royal wax seals spend a 100bucks and grab "the elder" realistic elderly face mask, grab a cane hunch over, change your gate stride for A.I., being a robust Man and looking elderly and weak when you're strong is literally the Art of War.

[@jasonbailey9302]

We walk the same woods. We’ve probably chewed the same dirt. Former Army Infantry, live in Kentucky now.

[@BecomingDangerous0]

I couldn't agree more with your assessment. A 13.7" to 16" gun and a pile spent brass is the solution. I would rather work with someone that has an off the rack 16" gun with irons and trains, rather than someone with a gucci gun that doesn't shoot.

[@grayman7208]

more important than "long range" is barrier penetration.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

That's what she said

[@grayman7208]

@@ManInTheWoods76 so that's what he did.

[@recondo886]

I ETSd in 1988 and I still evaluate everywhere I go for defensive egress and potential threats. and the only way I'm doing CQB is inside my own house.

[@jonathanscoville8219]

We had a time in southeastern Ky finding 1000+ meter shots. Old strip mines or shooting ridge top to ridge top is all we could find to get past 400-500 meters.

[@Artorias001]

The Northern side of Kentucky doesn't have a bunch of opportunities for the longer shots either. Maybe along the Ohio River, but why would I need to try taking that shot? If I needed water I'd be trying to avoid being in an area like that.

[@gator7082]

There's a great book called Fry The Brain. It's an extensive history of urban sniping/shooting, you won't find any better.

[@KINGRODP]

Listening to the audiobook now. THANK YOU

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

People better get used to shooting a moving target. Instinctive close in engagement is essential. Real zombies don't stand still in the open facing you.

[@politicalsheepdog]

The 1st ones might but after people learn and adapt, they will be harder to hit.

[@TFE_M_SADRE]

I agree with almost every point you made and arrived at a different awnser. If I can’t PID with my eyes at 200m why not have a setup capable of giving you that ability (magnification) and give you the ability to still engage close up if it comes to if. For me the 1-8x and 1-10x LPVO is that awnser. The weapon system/caliber I agree with.

[@RobertHamm-u7c]

Top, you make a very valid point. What most people get wrong, is there’s hardly any public ranges where they can go to practice long range shooting. Even hunters can’t practice those long shots before going on those hunts that may require a shot out at 650 yards. Aside from ranges on military posts that I was stationed at, public ranges only have rifle ranges that are 100 yards. I know that there’s sportsman’s clubs that have rifle ranges that are 600 yards, but most of them won’t allow non-members to use those ranges. So it’s pretty much a crap shoot if you have to make those shots in a SHTF situation, trying to account for wind, humidity, mirage, Coriolis Effect, bullet weight, powder weight, rifling twist, caliber, type of scope, weather(I.e. rain, snow, air temperature), elevation. These are just a few examples that not very many people know about, except those of us that are hunters, current military, ex-military, SWAT sharpshooters, long-range competition participants. Throughout my Army career, I’ve only used peep sights. Now that I’m a civilian who hunts, I’m still trying to figure out using my mil-dot reticle scopes.

[@kevinboock7143]

Iowa in the winter and spring has plenty of areas to shoot further than 1,000 meters. Just saying. But I agree with your point.

[@500spectre]

My 2 cents. I would agree with about 98%. Having 1 rifle in the group that can reach out with precision might be useful at times. But that is going to on occasions. I would say in different areas being able to 'engage' at 600 yards would be useful. I'm reference taking good enough shots to keep heads down. A 1-6 LPVO can do that on most rifles. My guess is that most engagements are going to be

[@Magnum-284]

Agreed. I think most SHTF rifles should be focused at 400 yards. You would have to have known definitive enemy. That is probably not going to happen in SHTF, unless you think they are all going to wear matching light blue helmets and ride in white vehicles.

[@johnshaver4580]

Pencils down! Now the class is going to study the North Hollywood bank robbery.

[@Greg-sz8jz]

Check out the Norco Shootout. Damaged at least 30 police cars and a helicopter.

[@unwilligeeinzelganger5404]

🤣

[@andrewwhelchel2551]

Great info! Would like to see Stoker's take on open rolling hills like the farmlands in the Midwest.

[@AldoSchmedack]

Frankly, my thought is this. It's not about the rifle, it's about being very, very proficient on a standard rifle first and foremost, the most common rifle people will have, that you will find or use in locale, and esp be trained to max before you ever train on advanced weapons. You can get an AR with an ACOG or LPVO or similar (as in cheaper) and be effective 5-500m with training. That's 99.9% of all urban terrain, period. And 800m shots aren't going to be doable often as people are gonna be running and hiding cover to cover and there is no time for bullet to get out there in time after the time it takes to PID and aim and send anyway. Frankly if you can't do combat with a stock 16" AR to 300-500 yds you have no business being in a battle at all. In fact you shouldn't be watching videos and commenting you should be training! But the fact is this, 80-90 or more percent of us are going to be rolling a 14.5-18" AR (of those 95% are 16") So you will find ammo easier, be using same guns and mags as buddies, and as the cops and military and allies, and the other pro Americans who'd support, and it's easier to carry enough and also engage multiples quicker, and ability to keep heads down to shoot and maneuver. You can't waste 308 ammo to keep heads down so your buddies can flank when your 308 or similar is so heavy all you can carry is 180-200 rounds and only 20 on avg at a time. 16" AR with a 1-6x, 1-8x or 4x ACOG can do anything and in a pinch even more than 500m. Want pen? Barnes, SOST or m855. Stopping power? m193 ir mk262. Cheap, easy to get parts, easy to train, cheap to run, more ammo, buddies have spare ammo, same mags, everyone else is trained on that platform, and if you go down or you need to use theirs, etc, good to go. It's called standardization for a reason. It's called training for a reason. Save the 308 stuff for one guy per squad. Save the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 stuff for home use, as the only Red Dawn will be from China, Russia has it's hands full as is and they don't use those anymore in bulk in China. Save the bolts for the countryside. Save the handguns for secondaries and yes each should have one, that is less critical so pick what ya want there. And save the shotty for one per squad for certain situations like drones, james, locks or heavy cover pen etc. You ain't gonna get a guy behind and engine block with a 308 either anyway. Play it smart folks, his words are spot on in this video. We need to wise up to what seasoned pros keep drilling into us but some don't seem to get. And most of all, range train and also be fit!

[@robertgoodrich8953]

You are right about.308 only in one way. You are making the mistake of most Combat guys who don't understand what finite ammunition will mean. It means every trigger pull gets you closer to permanent empty. There also will be few buddies. No way to risk any. And no Medevac. So The tactics of an infantry platoon with artillery and armor and air backup will be only a dream. Each round must strike an enemy. You figure out how to make that happen. But, oh, yes, you're shooting 5.56. Which requires 3-4 HITS to stop an enemy. At best. .308 is one shot or occasionally two and it's over. So you will NOT be spraying and praying with .308. And that is what you are right about.

[@dustyboyle]

Agree, and not, or something in the middle. A semi decent lpvo can act as a rds, and for taking longer shots or recon. By longer shots I mean 300m and in. I would rather relocate than fight. For my purposes. Love your channel homie

[@keenanschouten2582]

Playing "advocatus diaboli," I'd argue that it is statistical malpractice to select a weapon configuration solely based on the frequency of an engagement distance. To effectively use statistics in weapon selection, you should first determine the tactic with the highest success rate for each scenario, rather than just considering the likelihood of engagement distances. This approach ensures that the weapon setup is aligned with the most effective tactics.

[@jeramiahmcneece9992]

I like this, well said.

[@Dea7hWarran7]

So statistically, “run”.

[@keenanschouten2582]

@@Dea7hWarran7 in order to run you may need to use suppressive fire. Depends on the tactic, not just the scenario.

[@Sos__Sonic]

What in the chatGPT is this?

[@bigracer3867]

I range stuff every day for practice. Fun too. I try to be ready for point blank to whatever I need. Yea silly but kind of mirrors my hunting style. I hunt eastern pines. But I can walk out to a 1000 yard or more field. So very diverse environment. So run what you brung the best you can.

[@MichiganSilverBack]

Spot on. Not to mention "black" at 500 yds was like a 42" circle.. Most people (me incl) need to focus on being effective from top of the stairs to the first floor.. Furthermore, for about 4 to $500 right now, you can get a great rifle/carbine kit from psa... I have built and used about 15 different configurations and calibers from psa in the last 12 years, they have all been excellent mil spec type guns. My favorite was in 6.8spc and the best for home D was a 10.5" 300 blk out. I had her red dotted at 25 yds with only a flashlight on the forend. The noise and flash from it at night was less than a 16" 556, both having a2 style flash hiders.. the long distant stuff is cool if youre shooting yotes. Lets note forget most of us are civilians and anything human, further than 25 yds will likely be called "murder".. thx for the content, always sensible. Semper Fi, 88-92.

[@gunnersecuador7515]

We train regularly, we start at 100 yds. or a bit further, then work our way in with movement drills until we are within pistol range where we can also conduct weapons transitions etc. Every other session we move to 300 yds. to start with some static prone, kneeling, and sitting shots. Then work our way in as normal. This way has proven very good for burning in that height over bore thing as you close with your targets. Training in the desert is tough as there is little real cover in most areas, so movement drills (Contact, break contact, ambushes) are much more physical work, and in the triple digit heat you learn your weaknesses very quickly. Also we all use either a red dot or irons, rarely do we go with an LPVO. For those who think 300 yd, shots with a red dot is B.S. You are wrong. My wife can hit an IPSIC plate center of mass at 300 yds. five out of six shots with my lowly 16" carbine and a Sig Romeo 5XDR with doughnut of death (Dot with Circle), and she's not a shooter! I've seen many fast cars with slow drivers! You want accuracy? You want capability? Then TRAIN...

[@brenteastman1899]

I do have a medium to long range rifle handy and also a 12 ga. But if SHTF that would not be what I grabbed first. I have an AR set up and an AR thermal set up. So I'm pretty much covered. 5.55 or 300 BO is more than sufficient for most situations

[@subdawg1331]

great video should lay to rest the reach out and touch em theory, yes closer in is a more usual ... and more expected range... A leaver rifle is my shtf rifle actually 357 mag ... and the second choice is 7.62x39 short range again...

[@phil5569]

An AR platform with a 16 inch barrel, and a quality LPVO is gold, for SHTF. -5.56, good enough, and you can carry a lot of it. -LPVO, Decent at short range but great at intermediate ranges- I would add an offset or top mounted red dot, for the close in work. But you need the magnification not just for shooting accuracy, but to get good positive ID on your target, especially if they’re barely exposing themselves they’re going to be hard to see even if they’re only 100 m away.

[@owps663]

Good points, the area of which you choose to stand your ground is going to dictate the tools needed. If you're in a desert type environment, you may want something that'll reach out there aways.,

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

only if you're stupid enough to be out and about in daylight. No night sights offer more than 300m of effective range.

[@Hondo-dd9wi]

well put together video. If I could only have one weapon it would be my GQ carbon 11.5" in 6 ARC. this thing is great for CQB and can with a thump out to 1000m. And I would probably not need that distance in a real fight, but it's there if needed.

[@ScorpioSin777]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, long distance is fun and a wonderful hobby and learning experience. Now, while most people don’t have long range shooting opportunities, others that live in the west and mountains, have many legitimate, long range opportunities. Afghanistan is also a prime example, and probably why so many argue for long distance. While my go to is not a long range battle rifle, for some, it may be. Definitely a different skill set and geographical necessity.

[@mikerobinson3672]

This video makes me think of Charles Whitman honestly. He used a 6mm Remington bolt action rifle to do his massacre at UT. He was 200+ feet off the ground in an elevated position. And was shooting people 5 blocks away at the farthest point. Thats only 350-400 yards away. Not that far off from the data your collecting. Even an Elevated position didnt give Whitman much more range to shoot. We have to remember The cartridge he was using was not much more powerful than a 243 Winchester for perspective as well.

[@joemcdonald4400]

At 300 meters (310 yards +-) M-16 will drop 7 to 8 inches. At 500 meters I think the drop is about 12 to 13 inches. We used to shoot this with open sights doing holdover. 16inch AR 15 makes a little difference but not much.

[@dustyboyle]

I totally agree with the 16" barrel.

[@toadallyawesome5632]

Here in Indiana i see 1000m plus shots all around me lol. i went ruger sfar ar 10 for ar15 weight.

[@BillyBOB-sm3rl]

In my area, there are a lot of corn fields and beans, some hay, and pasters. So, depending on the time of year. You can see less than 100 yards. Other times, to the horizon. Yes, we have forested areas. Bottom line is, know your area. How far, that is for you to decide.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

From the viewer's perspective, I'm just a random voice with my own random experience. However, I was influenced for some years by a man of military doctrine study. He was exceedingly proficient in all relevant platforms AND he was a virtual encyclopedia. He built my gun. It's gone now due to a boat fire. But this is the wisdom: 16" AR 5.56 Primer sealed surplus ammo that your barrel patterns well with (large lot for consistency) 4x ACOG (Surplus available now $800) Suppressor if you can afford one. Choose your own path, ignore this set up, but this gets you... 500yd stretch but able 400yd minute of man ok 300yd body shots at speed 200yd careful head shots 100yd speed demon 50yd King of the Hill 25yd CQB capable with skill building but ineffective for untrained. All of this is done without ever adjusting a single knob on the optic. There's no wonder why the USMC ran this optic for many years. Sell your golf clubs and buy a rifle.

[@sandsock]

our area of rural central ohio , everything is 100/300 and just about max 600 yards max with fencelines and rolling hills. with no optics our 300 yard plate, is about impossible to see with the shadows and brush. when you drop a 3x acss reflex on something, its still almost impossible , in this situation. good iron sights do very well out to 200 around here. when you add in noise to the backgrounds , 6-9 power and greater is really needed to thread shots through the noise.

[@christianclemons187]

Enjoy this channel and your content. Not many others are doing this or have the viewpoint that you do. Thanks!

[@jameskrog9811]

There are some terrain areas nesr me where long range 500yard shots would be possibilities. The scenarios for that need are not on my major concerns. I atincipate far more possibilities in the 50 to 150 yard range which is about the most most of my home terrain allows. I do have weapons for long range, but probably would not use them much unless i needed them for the power for armor penatration

[@mariocarretto6109]

If you’re using cover, they’re using cover. I don’t think you need to have a “sub moa” long range rifle but I think having magnification is an important consideration. Whether it’s for identification or looking through glass it makes a big difference.

[@gunsofmasseffect4321]

I use to push this same narrative, about distance in a urban or wooded area, when people were putting, 5-25x50mm scopes on an AR15, they said for long range shots, I would laugh, and not going to happen, get a good red dot, with either 3x, 5x or 7x magnifier slide to side, so you can feel two roles, battle rifle, for urban, heavily wooded, or CQC.

[@bigpicklerick]

Where i think the disconnect comes from is the average civilian thinking long rang is 300 meters and beyond. When reality 500-600 meters and closer is considered standard engagement range.

[@mattmarzula]

Did you just not watch the video at all? Since when is 500-600m considered "standard engagement range"? Especially since standard engagement ranges would change depending on the terrain. That term doesn't even make sense and if you mean to state that 500-600m is the standard engagement range throughout the history of firearms in warfare or law enforcement or self defense... You're wrong. 500-600m wouldn't even be the standard engagement range for two waring factions separated by a river spanning 500-600m. Because they would be in range of each other in the open. It just doesn't make sense. 500-600m isn't even "practical engagement range". Your hit probability is so low at that point that unless you are employing an accurized rifle with match grade ammo at a single stationary target, you're just giving away your position. Not a single person who has any experience would make that claim.

[@hansblitz7770]

It's not. Intermediate rifle cartridges are 350 meter guns.

[@bigpicklerick]

@@mattmarzula you need to watch the battle of najaf video a 20 inch ar was reaching out to 800-900 meters( this is a specific engagement) now if you don't know the Marine Core qualifies with iron sights out to 500-600 meters. I'm sorry you are too stupid to do any research on the topic, and that you go off of what you are told instead of checking multiple sources. What's funny is the capability (aka having the skill) to shoot out too 500 meters versus having the ability ( having the conditions line of sight,time to shoot,) are totally different things. I think you need to read a dictionary so that you can better comprehend the context of my statement. Also read the engagement date from WW2 to now the majority of combat takes place 300meters and in but guess what in every theater of war there are engagements that required the individual soldier to have the capability to reach out past 300 meters. By your logic we wouldn't have used anything other than the M1 carbine after it's development because gunfights only happen 300 meters and in. But like I stated already the average civilian thinks long range is anything past 300 meters when long range starts at the 750 meter mark.

[@bigpicklerick]

@@hansblitz7770 that's why the Marine Core qualifies out to 500 meters with iron sights right? Go back to sniffing glue.

[@fanman8102]

@@bigpicklerick- I was thinking the same thing. Not the glue part, the other part.

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

*You know them old guys, they can't see past the end of their rifle anyway.* Though, I will mention my recent visit to one of those HSLD shooting events today: seemed like those close-in engagements were easily done by the group. They really struggled on the "long distance" range where they had to engage steel torsos at 100. The vast majority of people struggle to make hits beyond that distance. Marksmanship has really become a lost art in the last 20 years.

[@KINGRODP]

Magnified? Or unmagnified optics?

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

@@KINGRODP At 100y does it really matter? These were full size steel torsos 36"x20" I think they were mostly red dots, though there might have been some flip-up magnifiers.

[@KINGRODP]

@@YouveBeenMiddled It does matter for people wearing corrective lenses.

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

Spec ops gucci operators looking for that long range shot, but the enemy is snoopin and poopin behind cover. "Locate and close with" means getting closer and closer not farther away. I like AK w/standard irons. Let's dance, zombies.

[@mattmarzula]

The guy with Mikhail Kalashnikov in his handle who appears to be less creative than 4,598 other people prefers an AK-47 with iron sights... Shocker.

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

@@mattmarzula Did I offend?

[@hansblitz7770]

Basic B take.

[@andyhwell8419]

AK all day

[@jamesdenecochea5709]

I believe that anytime "Urban Areas" are alluded to, then a more specific definition should be used. More people live in the eight most populous urban areas than all of rural America combined... In the Census Bureau's classification system, it describes the urban population, as those people who live in "urban clusters" (with populations between 5,000 and 50,000) and "urban areas" (more than 50,000 people). These two categories have a total U.S. population of 265,149,027(80%). A total rural population of 66,300,254(20%). As of 2019, the census bureau says that; 4% of cities in the U.S. had a population of 50,000 or more, yet 39% of the population (127.8 million people) lived in those cities. Of the 19,500 incorporated places in the U.S., about 76% of communities have fewer than 5,000 people, and of those, 42% had fewer than 500 people, as of July 1, 2019. There are 325 urban areas in the U.S. that have populations above 100,000. It is my belief, that if "you" have made the decision to live in an "Urban Cluster" or an "Urban Area"... then you've already signed your own "death warrent". Survival in a SHTF scenario, while living in these areas will be nye impossible. It won't be a "video game", it would more likely mimic "Escape From New York"(and "Snake Pliskin"...you aren't!). It will be like the Thirty Years' War, but, on an unimaginable scale. You really want to survive, a much better chance would be in the vast, rural areas of The West. "Like-Minded" people abound. Very, very few "Brandon-party disciples". Very few avenues of entrance(with a huge number of potential bottlenecks), "real" mountain ranges everywhere, lakes, rivers, canyons, forests, vast grasslands, thick brush, deserts, marshlands, riparian areas, empty spaces too large to believe. Winter Snow, often in huge amounts. I'm in "nowhere Idaho", 20+miles from my nearest neighbor. Grizzly & Black bear, Elk, Moose, Mule & Whitetail deer, Cougar, Wolves, etc... Riding & pack horses, mules, cattle, goats, chicken, and many Boerboels. We speak 7.62x51 here, not: 5.56 You must know your area, know the potential advisaries, "untrained & trained". If "trained", all their tactics are very well known. the "untrained", would be swiftly delt with. Remember, Government trained "shooters" only number some 78,000. Imagine "them" trying to subdue & garrison 3,796,742 sq mi containing 330+million people... and, the possibility of No food, No water, No power, No fuel, No cell service, No Internet, No Facebook, No TikTok, No Instagram, No MSNBC, No CNN, No NY Times, No WPO, No The View, No Anthem Kneeling, No NBA, No Soccer, No Call of Duty, No Halo, No Pizza-Pockets, No 2-liter soda... Got carried-away! "Urban Survival", CQB/Building Clearing...FORGET IT!

[@shadowscout9872]

I agree that we will rarely take a true long range shot in shtf situation but, if group A is doing a supply run at warehouse the parking lot probably won't be full and you will definitely want overwatch from your best shots from somewhere like a water tower or atop a building.

[@JustBeAdude]

If you are unable to maneuver with your selected fighting load (with appropriate weight) and shoot accurately under stress, no amount of expensive kit/gear will help you. I can also attest to the 100 meter and in gunfights in Iraq and Afghanistan. 150 meters is what I train for to be lethal in a gunfight. In a 24 year retired infantry and SOF dude from the army. Bleed in the dojo, laugh on the battlefield. Roll easy all.

[@bulldogsofeastvan5647]

Love you real world explanations!

[@DesertRat.45]

Longrange shooter. Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado front range, Oklahoma, Texas, the Dakotas. Arizona, New Mexico, wyoming. Most of amontana, southern Idaho. The great basin. Eastern Oregon/western idaho and all of Nevada. Im talking wide open landscape not cities. . Ruger now sells factory magazines above 5 rounds for the mini14 to the public. You can hit a man size target at 300 yards with a mini and it has less parts than the AR and I have never heard of a bolt breaking on the mini or it blowing up. If you can survive long enough, I seriously doubt you'll have the same gun you started with.

[@EngineersQuest]

Very useful information.

[@spencermichaelson1882]

They don’t usually stand broadside and let them shoot at you. Magnification is useful for reduced silhouettes . Or out west where we do have 500m easily

[@edwardhawkey5714]

Took me awhile to think about this but you make perfect sense. My $420 SKS and $1000 FN FAL will do the job.

[@bds123087]

I swear to you, I was doing this just last week, I took my laser rangefinder with me to work and I was trying to get acquainted with different distances in the city so if I have to estimate when I don’t have a rangefinder I would be more accurate.

[@mattmarzula]

Or you could learn mil relations and the "Worm" formula.

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

if you need a rangefinder, you should'nt be taking the shot, when there's no replacing the ammo, have to have noise, etc. You should't be out and about in daylight, actually. I'ts just stupid. Sign up for full time college, get a $6000 loan and cough up the $5000 for real night goggles, helmet, mount, and counterweight, rechargeable batteries, solar charger. You only have to pass half of your 4 classes to get them to loan you ANOTHER $6000. If you dont pass all of those classes, they'll shut you off and you'll have to cough up a whole $100 per week, peon. You can make $50 per hour, once per week, selling your blood plasma. So that $12,000 is FREE MONEY, basically.

[@bds123087]

@@mattmarzula no you’re 100% right that is the best way of doing it, I’ve been shooting for years and I’m pretty good at estimating range. I do this to brush up on it because I feel like urban environments are a little more difficult to estimate range it can be deceiving. I’m also not talking crazy distances. I’m talking about urban distances the furthest here in San Antonio on average I can see is out to about 300 m. I’m I can do point of aim to point of impact with my how to about 300 then I have to start holding slightly high. Of course I’m talking minute of man and not target shooting.

[@gjnezat]

I might as well share my thoughts, as carrying guns for a living, for going on 34 years. #1 mission or situation, should drive the weapon selection. You don't hunt elephants with a .22 and you don't hunt doves with a 30-06. #2 If you are going at "SHTF" alone, you should have made better social choices. A team would be important in any bad situation. Arm people with tools that are good within the respective ranges. Two 556, a 12g, and a DMR. #3 300M is outside the range of most shooters. I built up a Vietnam era kit that I bought from sportsman's guide as a gift to my 17 yoa son. At 410 yards made repeated open sights hits, despite having never firing and zeroing beyond 100 yards

[@AldoSchmedack]

Exactly what I been saying and the video did too. There is still 20% that have magnumitis in optics and calibers and have no real world experience or time thinking it out or going and measuring real distances. The same folks over estimate their ranges when bragging about their groups and distances and size of fish they caught and more. They think they need a proverbial 50bmg and 20x scope for 50m shots, and once they take the shot well they used a 22lr and it was 600m away no scope. 😂 Like you said most need an AR, though there is indeed a place for a shotty and a long range per group. And I agree, too many loners out there behind a keyboard with games as their training. They love guns but half don't own anything but an airsoft and the rest don't train IRL. And BIG Kudos for teaching the kids too btw! Agree 100% with all you said.

[@DanielLaws-n5r]

Look most people can't shoot past 150 yards there not trained in it to them that is a long to them but I agree 💯 with you they don't need a sniper rifle

[@loyaljones8814]

It was proven in ww2 most combat was within 100 meters that is why the Germans created the first combat rifle, the sturmgefeur 45 in 8mm kurz or 7.92x33. It is what Mikhail kalshnikov went off of. I

[@BigDaddy-jo8ig]

Are you shooting a red dot accurately out to 400 and 450 yards if so show us how its done please

[@skipper9400]

until, or if another cartridge takes over from the 5.56 - 223, I will be rockin that round in an AR M4E1....it just makes sense to be able to pick up ammo basically anywhere......there is, However a new cartridge out called the "6mm Max" that I have been keeping my eyes on, and so far I really like the looks of it....basically, they took the 350 Legend and necked it down to 6mm and all you have to change is the barrel, mags, (use 350 legend mags), and the ammo......neat deal if it becomes popular......everybody seems to be loading it with way to heavy and long bullets, but it would be PERFECT with 65 grain FMJBT's..........and I very much agree with the ranges you are explaining Stoker...thanks for the vids man .....OnWard........

[@travisbedwell8299]

I think you're absolutely correct. I also believe this is why our soldiers love the MK12 so much.

[@earthsurfer13]

And here I thought I was the only one driving around with my range finder. Keeps me up on guessing distance I find.

[@Swish82]

Another great video. Good information. Thanks for sharing, Stoker.

[@rustyshackleford9017]

outside of the hunting in mountains, the reality of a civ shooting more than 15m are extremely low. shooting farther than that is gonna cost ya quite a bit in lawyer fees

[@melvinhowell5469]

Thank you, Sir...appreciate it. Moral of the story for me? Don't go looking for trouble...

[@AlphabetBoisAreSmelly]

Glad to see others talking about this

[@soarsbrokenchains7527]

IMHO , most don’t have a “fire team” none can call in an air strike. While it is possible that you/we could get caught in a “situation”, ie grocery store, mall, public event. At best you will only have your pistol on you. Vehicles are not secure(at least in my area). I don’t keep my rifle with me at all times(yet). I have 1 at work and enough for everyone at home. You can fantasize all you want about different scenarios. Escape and evade is higher on my list of training than direct confrontation. My entire family has experience in 3 gun comps and pistol leagues. I’m not a vet, LEO, or Fed. I’m a father of 4. A hunter, gardener, mechanic, and have EMS training.

[@UrbanTacticalSurvival]

I must say that I to have been and need I say preaching this for years 1. That you don’t need a $5000 dollar rifle to be effective at 50 -100 yards and 2. that engaging in targets at over 1000 yards is unnecessary. You cannot effectively identify targets at that range unless you have a tank and your target is as big as a tank you can just forget it, CQB is what anyone should be striving to be affected at 0-300 yards. ( I use yards vs meters). adds up better, and by the way outstanding videos 👍🏾👊🏽

[@Town101]

All very suburban locations, but a good video nonetheless with important things to think about. In a real urban setting like Chicago, a typical city block is 330 by 660 feet (200M) . Streets are curved due to pipes/ drainage beneath the street. Signs, awnings, lights and more hang down blocking views from the top. You cannot see more than 1 1\2 blocks let alone have a clear shot. intersections are 60ft across and more towards 90ft on some. Plus if someone is 2 blocks from you, they may not be a threat to you so no sense in engaging. Just some numbers to think about. Love your videos!

[@runyourrace2finish910]

Awesome video, a thinking man’s soldier! Put me next to a thinker, not a hot head hero. Look forward to a video on how much ammo does one need. I think most will under estimate .

[@akforge]

Near peer and over match are things. Same for cover and concealment. You either “get that” about ballistics or you don’t.

[@MetaVizions]

I understand this video completely. However here in America, in metro areas with skyscrapers & more buildings, it’s creates more wind tunnels.. and depending on the city, blocks are a good reference point for ranging. Some cities may have mile straight, something to consider if there was a blockade with snipers.

[@45automag1]

Can’t argue with your logic

[@Boon20]

If you learn long range shooting, everything inside of 500 just seems easy. My opinion

[@ManInTheWoods76]

Except speed, moving and reloading under stress.

[@Boon20]

@@ManInTheWoods76 no one ever said you cant do all that at distance

[@ManInTheWoods76]

@@Boon20 correct. But the skills to achieve that at distance is entirely different. That's all I'm referring to. Parallel parking is not the same as car racing.

[@clintonfields9640]

Stoker drives a ram & that speaks volumes! He knows what works .

[@MrCobb-rq8iv]

excuse me, is there anything else? lol

[@AldoSchmedack]

RAM ftw here too!

[@clintonfields9640]

@@MrCobb-rq8iv I GOT THE MESSAGE , I WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAIL. "ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL."

[@chrislukasak8530]

LOL

[@DominickFighera]

Having one long-range rifleman or two pretty much snipers are good for OverWatch and of course for special operations taking out enemy operates in any case those long-range rifles will have to be spaced out well beyond the main force or squad that they're out of in most cases want to be effective for long-range fighting is unheard of unless you're in the desert and even then you try bringing the enemy closer to you or getting closer to the enemy whereby if there is a Maggie's drawers or should I say Miss Target you have done compromised your position allowing the enemy to reassert themselves for a counter attack which then diminished your offensive posture now preparing for a defensive posture, so my point here is long range battle is specifically for OverWatch and or special operations!

[@bafumat]

I think at 500 and beyond most engagements are entirely avoidable. Anything in the woods... Less than 75 is it here.

[@JHypers]

It sounds like the tactics should focus on avoiding any engagements under 300m…and to choose only engagements between 300 and 500m, beyond the realistic range of intermediate calibers, but well within the wheelhouse of .308 work from genuine riflemen.

[@JB-uk7mn]

I find it notable that when I would shoot 300m in qualification on the “flat” range, the targets were always visible & easy to identify. But, when observing from the same distance in the real world, +ID and range detection become much more difficult with all the extra “noise” from the environment (also not accounting for cover/concealment). Shooting on a flat range gives the observer a steady/constant frame of reference, whereas in reality, it requires a range finder or accurate guess work to determine distances. To overcome/compensate for this, I use google earth to measure distances between known reference points of areas that I frequent often, when I’m traveling/in those areas, I take a mental rep. to ingrain/reinforce my ability to determine those distances in unknown areas more quickly. I’ve found that where distances stretch beyond 300m (urban) is usually located in areas such as along the highways/interstates/MSRs (high rise buildings on the periphery) & behind neighborhoods, along drainage channels which form a mosaic throughout the city.

[@walkercustoms]

Thank you

[@randybrown140]

Most battles might start out at LONG RANGE but end up FACE TO FACE. 👍

[@karlgunn1209]

Like some marriages

[@sidehustlers336]

Its good ti jsve the long renge option. But agree modt is withn shirt distance

[@ricksargent8754]

A bolt action is the best for long distance shots by far. Not sure if anybody would consider taking a bolt gun as your battle rifle. Each has its own purpose.

[@kinch613]

Never mind what do you have to PID you’re prospective “ target”? A red dot? Maybe with a magnifier? Or LVPO? Also what low light systems do you use? Can you even effectively take a shot in an urban environment easily without collateral damage? In on open desert with daytime conditions with insurgents holding rifles is one thing, what Bill speaks of here is totally different.

[@davepayne2024]

Thanks for the lesson.

[@AdvancedTennisFoundation-ph9zo]

A bit of a red herring to suggest that everyone is saying we need to be able to reach out.... More correct to say most everyone has 556 ARs that are pretty good out to 400 yds or so and IF (a very big IF) you want more then you need to step up in class to a 308 bolt or even more depending on the special need. There is a reason the AR is so popular and its m16 cousin has worked so well for the troops.

[@alvinmorris5404]

What i watch this channel for is the no bullshit straight at you presentation of the facts that are from hard earned knowledge and hard learned lessons. I always listen to what you're saying and I often find myself thinking about the things you've said and shown in your videos I want to thank you for providing the information that you do. I live in the midwest and there are a lot of open fields around with timber mixed in around the edges so yes there's some long range shooting chances. given the terrain and the cover available it would be a better option to scout the area gathering the Intel to see just exactly who an how many an what they're doing. as for the choice of rifle it would be my basic m16 style rifle with a 16 inch barrel and iron sights because if contact is made they're going to go to cover and the cover around here is pretty dense with the longest shots being 75 meters an under, here's the question for all the sniper wannabes out there...have you ever had to haul ass through thick brush an vegetation with a rifle thats 4 foot long? it's not as easy as people imagine it to be.

[@CorsairTrainers]

Maybe start this conversation off with what you define to be close, medium and long?

[@commonsgiant]

Built an AR10 a while back....not recommended. It's not and AR15, steep learning curve. Wanted to see how far I could stretch it out. Went to a buddies 400 acre farm in SC....longest shot I could find was 380m! If you live on the prairie, this might not apply to you, but a 3x magnification is worth the weight trade. Anything over 6x is unnecessary extra weight. People have no idea how much these extra oz add up to injury or lack of mobility, or having to make stupid choices with food and water. I made a 600m shot with a T1 red dot in a class. Not recommended, but possible. Buy ammo and go train, or take a class. Stop looking for short cuts with glass and "long range" battle rifles that weigh a ton and fire ammo that weighs a ton.

[@jivy_league9855]

Okay now you have to take a shot on 500 yard target with just a head poking from behind cover. So hitting a 10 inch target at 500 yards. Yes having a gun that can shot 1 moa would be a force multiplier.

[@JohnLocke1776]

​@@jivy_league9855💯

[@mattmarzula]

​@@jivy_league9855come on. If you see only the head of a legitimate target sticking out at 500m long enough to make that shot, you're likely not being engaged and you can wait for a better shot, get into position for one, or let it pass by because there's no reason to take it. I pull 500m shots all day on E-Type silhouettes at Camp Perry with an M4A1 and an ACOG firing M855A1's or M855 even in 20 mph sustained wind. You most likely couldn't hit a 10" headshot in those conditions with anything you have given one shot. So get off it. What you're suggesting is unrealistic and in that particular scenario you're likely to give away your position and get maneuvered on. The only feasible scenario I can think of where only a 500m headshot is going to exist and be necessary is counter sniper or high value target in open field or elevated urban combat. You take that 1 MOA fantasy into the woods, you're going to be taken out. That one shot one kill BS? It goes out the window in actual force on force combat and when SHTF happens, every street gang has a better advantage than you do. You don't stand a chance.

[@commonsgiant]

What he said!

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

@@jivy_league9855 who says you "have' to take such a shot, hmm WHY are you out in open country in DAYLIGHT anyway? That's stupid.