Dealer RIP-OFF?? We think not. Fuel cleaning services explained

[@Banana69999]

Thanks for the info. Just dropped my turbo car off at the dealership for oil change and they recommended this for me and I declined it because I thought it was just a bs recommendation. Just did some research and have noticed some power lost on acceleration, thought it was transmission issues. But just told the dealership to do it so thanks for the insight!

[@327SixShooter]

I just had this done on my 2015 chevy colorado with 82,000 miles on it for the first time. I didn't request it, but it was recommended. And my ears were open because i have noticed a little hesitation and worsening fuel economy. I had both of the 2 fuel services done. And yes, I do notice a difference. Fuel economy is almost as good as it was when the truck was brand new, the throttle is more responsive, and the engine seems to run quieter and smoother like it did when it was brand new. However, the dealership recommends this every 15,000 miles. I don't think that's necessary. I would only get it done when you start to notice a difference in your fuel economy and or hesitation when you accelerate.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

15k does sound early but it does depend on how the car is driven. Someone who makes lots of short trips with non top tier fuel will build carbon at a much faster rate than someone that does all highway and uses shell v-power all day. Listen to your car for sure!

[@solg1391]

@@RaceBreakRepeat was recommended to do this. I'm at 90k Miles and embarking on a one way trip of about 1300 miles soon. Any reccs? Also was told to do the throttle service

[@WilliamReyes-t5b]

I’ve been looking for a video on how to do the fuel system cleaning on this exact truck. Thank you very much. Can’t wait to do this service myself.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Perfect then! You’re welcome. Post any questions you might have!

[@WilliamReyes-t5b]

@@RaceBreakRepeat I do have one question regarding fuel pump. You connected the fuel pump line to the other line. Is it ok to simply remove the fuel pump relay or do exactly what you did? Thanks an advance

[@henrytom5824]

He is absolutely right my Tucson is pinging and these services are needed I even cleaned the valves manually still pinging and have a oil catch can. So I’m going to just get this service done to hopefully resolve the issue. It’s a Direct injection service.

[@KBradAdams]

Did it work?

[@henrytom5824]

@@KBradAdams no it was also burning oil so their was bad carbon buildup on top of the pistons baked on and it was messing with the compression and combustion of the fuel and air. The catylic ended up going out got rid of the entire Car not worth it.

[@davediamond7228]

in the old days with carburetors we used to use water misted into carburetor to decarb the valves and pistons ...

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

I still do that to my small engines!

[@johngalt176]

So….completely ignorant question: won’t the resulting break up of carbon just wind up in and clog up the catalytic system?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

It’s a great question! The answer is well, no. The process is not so harsh that it will cause large pieces of carbon to detach and cause issues. If the engine is in bad enough condition where that could/would be a threat I would think you would be chasing a more physical cleaning method/engine repairs. This is a preventative maintenance service not really a “repair” carbon removed from this service passes through so long as the service isn’t done improperly. If done improperly catalyst damage can occur. Properly trained technicians are important!

[@DaguyinUSA]

Thank you for the detailed explanation. You sound professional and know what you are doing. it would be great if you could post links or the part numbers for both cleaners. Thank you in advance! Also, to my understanding, it is 2 different services when I called a local Toyota dealer, they told me that it is 1 service. I am not sure if I asked them correctly. I told them I needed an "Air intake valve and Combustion Chamber cleaning service" and "Fuel injector cleaning service". Please advise if I should've asked differently.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Thank you, glad this video offers useful info! These aren’t “set” services but the industry or dealer, so you may find some variances. Which means it’s good to understand what you ask for /what you get. Some dealers do this as one service, others you’ll find may only do one “part” or the other. For reference I mean intake /induction service being the throttle clean and fluid ingested and injector being specifically the can the vehicle runs on. Often people selling the service mistake the fuel tank additive as the injector cleaning portion. Which isn’t wrong, but that’s more a fuel additive with slower/less effective cleaning effects. When you ask your dealer, ask if their items are the one which allows the vehicle to run stand alone off the cleaner or if it’s the one that mixes the chemicals through the intake and adds a supplement to fuel tank. Or both if sold as one. I think you asked correctly and are now finding yourself in one of the greater issues within the industry - detailed knowledge of services over the game of telephone. Don’t be afraid to see if they’ll let you speak with a skilled tech! Also. These may not be sold over the counter at a dealer but I’ll try and find the part numbers and post more here.

[@DaguyinUSA]

@RaceBreakRepeat Great, thank you so much for your prompt response. I'll keep an eye on here. If you would post more regarding the Part Numbers or the links, I would greatly appreciate your time and effort.

[@bobg6715]

Have a 2018 Rogue with 42K miles, had both the Injection and Induction Services done along with the oil change, had them done at the dealer.... not cheap but I don’t expect people to work for free. I drive about 5-6k miles a month because I do Lyft part time so I feel like this services is warranted in my case. I plan on driving my Rogue until 300K miles and as long as the maintenance are done on schedule I don’t see any reason I could not achieve this. By the way, I noticed a much responsive throttle response and the car just seems to accelerate much quicker so yeah it works.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Good stuff man. Yes, commonly responsiveness is often the most commonly noticed benefit. 👍

[@JosepGee]

Just did this at the dealer too for a Nissan juke . Totally agree on price super expensive . How much did you end up paying ?

[@anthonyd.9314]

Just bought a 15 silverado gdi with 136k miles on it don't know if this was ever done and I don't trust my hometown chevy dealer mechanics to much they all look like they're just out of high-school is this service pretty straight forward or can they cut corners and it be a total waste of money?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Simple answer. Yes. If someone doesn’t perform the service correctly it can be less effective and in extreme circumstances cause harm if performed improperly. If you distrust them maybe do some homework and find a shop near by with a good reputation and ask them questions. What brands, what types of fuel services they offer.

[@rondhole]

Good information but lack of proof

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

I was going to add proof in the video but I was not capable of recording the piston images with my camera. quality was too poor. I can say that you can feel the difference and vehicles that do this regularly experience less oil consumption and loss of power later in life.

[@rondhole]

@@RaceBreakRepeat $10 boroscope from Amazon do the trick in no time as long as you have access to sparkplugs hole and intake. What I found, this induction service is 99% never needed unless you drive in very short trip in very cold area like CAnada or Minnesota. I bet your engine do not need it. Toyota has no issue with intake valve because only few are direct injection only like in 1.2 Turbo in Europe.

[@markcarter6742]

So, why no "after-cleaning" shot of the intake valves????

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Time didn’t allow it. Planing for another video at some point when I can find a vehicle that’s easier to get shots of.

[@anthonyz7023]

Because of Flat-Rate style baby!

[@RastaJediX]

Don't premium for a car that calls for 87. Just get a listed top gier gasoline, Techron is good, and just hit the highway and open it up every now and then. Shit, redline it while getting onto interstate, providing the engine is warm, once a week. Unelss you have direct injection (and not Toyota D4S), get top tier gas and check the throttle plate every now and then. Dont waste money on these services unless theres an actual performance/economy issue. Highway driving + top tier gas will be all you need for all port injected systems and likely for all Toyota D4s. However, there's even more cases where opening up on the highway is good.. the new "Prime" hybrids... If you always recharge and never use the ICE to regen the battery, thinfs can eventually happen. Good to take a highways spin and let the good ol gas engine charge it ip. All those trips but hardly used the ICE.. and when you do, it's for such a short time that you never reach nominal operating temp., and thus carbon slowly builds and builds

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

The big important part is the back of the intake valves. A+ for D4-S here! DGI cars need this more. Especially those struggling with carbon. EGR isn’t helping (thanks epa lol) but yes. Running the engine hard during in ramps now and again is good provided there isn’t any detonation

[@piedadstoffel5955]

Bg44 k platinum add to a full tank of gas for best results

[@HxCBiohazard20]

Liked and subscribed!

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Much appreciated!

[@markcarter6742]

My 30 year old BMW 735 had valves that looked like new without intake cleaning.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Not every vehicle is as affected by this as others. Direct injection is the worst offender. Also has a lot to die with over-all health and pcv efficiency.

[@oscarpadilla9936]

😅i dont trust these dealers ...gonna put a spy cam to make sure they actually do something

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Lol unfortunate that you have to wonder if your money is going anywhere but. Only takes one jerk to ruin it.

[@Helpline5815]

My Mercedes has high mileage, about 160k, I'm going to be doing an oil change and air filter change as well as fuel service. But I'm not sure if it can be done because the MAF sensor is attached to the throttle body. It's a V8, what do you think? It also only takes premium gas.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Maf sensor location isn’t an issue as long as whomever does it is knowledgeable and not just making quick money. Do this before the oil change too. Premium fuel helps but fuel quality isn’t necessarily the only cause for this condition. Many more factors. Age and overall health of engine is to be considered, best have someone who knows your vehicles history best do it unless you are capable of it yourself.

[@Boodieman72]

Dealer rip-off for sure given the product cost and how much they charge. You can do it at home for less than $100 including buying the hardware. There are lots of other brands besides BG products you can use.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Rip off, no. High profit center. Yes. Not recommended for those who don’t understand the mechanical risks though. But yes. If you know how to properly do it you can do it far cheaper. The service outcome is justified though. Price varies per dealer though.

[@Boodieman72]

@@RaceBreakRepeat The price is a rip-off the service is not, at the dealer.

[@anthonyz7023]

BG is the Best in the business!

[@Enough.Said.]

​@@Boodieman72 Phoenix, AZ Toyota dealer wants $300 for this.

[@ridds777]

It doesn't have any alcohol in it. It has Petroleum distillates.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

The SDS says it has alcohol in it 🤷‍♂️

[@henrytom5824]

At the dealership right now as we speak getting both injection and induction service done and hoping for the best. Will update how it goes. I’ve been chasing this issue for about a year. Everything I done so far it gets better and better. Spark plugs,coolant, and manually cleaning valves but issue slightly still there that’s why I’m doing the induction and injection service. And already have an catch can so this doesn’t come back. GET A OIL CATCH CAN PEOPLE.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Yes, air oil separator systems help immensely! Maybe I’ll do a video on this! After you pick it up from dealer add some shell 93 stuff. Really efficient at cleaning which may help after the fuel services a little more. When I do my fuel services I fill up with shell 93 for the tank before the services to get the cleaning started.

[@henrytom5824]

RaceBreakRepeat running 89 in it as of now but I will for sure try that out, I use mobile synergy I tried shell 89 it didn’t like it as much as the mobile but I think it just didn’t adjust to it right off back usually take abit or driving for the car to adjust. But will do thanks a lot

[@henrytom5824]

RaceBreakRepeat I have about half tank of 89 right now should I just still fill the tank or just wait ?

[@henrytom5824]

RaceBreakRepeat update : SO once again it’s even better but it is still doing it slightly now I put it on cruise at 45 and it starts doing it but much quieter it’s (86 degrees F) Florida. Maybe theirs still more carbon on the cylinder top enough to keep causing it but will try shell v-power 93 and should I go back to 87 or 89?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Might as well wait. Either top tier gas brand with high detergents will help. I’m just partial to shell.

[@solg1391]

I was recommended to do this. I'm at 90k Miles and embarking on a one way trip of about 1300 miles soon. Any reccs? Also was told to do the throttle service

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Cleaning of the throttle is often done with the induction portion since it’s usually accessed to perform the service. I would perform these both right before an oil chance, ideally perform these then once the engine is hot spill and fill oil. So if you’re about to take a trip and you aren’t due for service you can wait if your just doing this for preventative maintenance. For the road trip you can find a quality fuel system tank additive for cleaning ( I recommend liqui-moly brand ) and find a high detergent fuel ( Exxon I believe is highest at 89 octane ) and run those for the road trip. Will help do some cleaning for sure. 93 she’ll has highest detergents of the higher octane I believe

[@solg1391]

@@RaceBreakRepeat Awesome. Thank you !

[@RastaJediX]

They gonna try to recommend MAF service. Imo, unless you have DTC code, leave it be. They are finicky sensors.

[@robertrose3068]

I have a 2016 Sonata Hybrid with GDI and have had the fuel service done at the dealership but they don't use BG. Not sure if theirs worked as I never saw smoke like I normally do and it has 100,000 miles now-I had gone 25,000 since the last time. I'm thinking of having it done where that's offered.

[@desertheatkicksgee]

Hello, I have a 2000 camry 2.2l with high postive long term fuel trim at 20% at idle, but at higher rpm it drops to 5%, but I cannot find a leak, would a exhaust manifold or intake manifold leak would cuase this? Could clogged or stick open injectors be culprit? I also have do NOT have check engine light on.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Higher at idle than loaded is an unmetered air leak usually, anything over 15% should also kick the cel on. Could have a stuck purge valve, restricted fuel system perhaps, sounds like your on the right track. But that engine ecu is 22 years old now. I’ve chased my arse a few times from faulty computers- they usually go bad around that age. If you get to wits end with physical checks try AEM modules for a rebuild. Also make sure you’re monitoring o2 sensors. Seen a few of the rear o2’s cause odd things when they don’t work well. After each check unhook battery to clear learn values.

[@johnxiong9034]

I just drive on the hwy really hard. All those faking carbon will come off easily. Just don't drive short distance and let the engine warm up to normal temperature. Short distance will let gas splash on the back of the intake side. It will gunk up. If I don't drive like a GTA. I dont really need it. Just check the cylinder head with a camera to confirm if you need the clean.

[@RastaJediX]

You're right. But, bear in mind, some companies suck at making gdi and it will be more annoying to maintain. But this + top tier gas is the right answer and anything more intensive is only if issues are actually witnessed. Toyota's D4s is cool and doesn't really have those cons

[@BinhPham15]

My Toyota Camry Hybrid 2018 has about 35K and the dealer recommends that next time for oil change, i need to to what so-call “induction system cleaning” and it costs $220. Is this service they referred to is the same as this Fuel Induction cleaning thing we’re talking about here? And is it the same as their internal jargon term 3-1 cleaning service? And the $220 is that pretty much the standard fees or is it cheaper to take it out to some non-dealer Toyota specialist to do for cheaper cost? Thanks in advance

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Yes. so the dealer “induction system cleaning” is the fuel induction. Most Toyota dealers use service rite chemicals or similar like I’ve shown. $220 is a little high I think, I’d say around $180 would me more appropriate, but I don’t know how your area compares to mine. Its “3” part because it treats the fuel in tank with an additive, they clean throttle plate, then cleans the intake bits. A reputable non-dealer can also do this work, but like I said I’m not sure how your are is. Here many shops use the same chemicals and training so you could do it anywhere here.

[@RastaJediX]

I wish I didn't see this one year late. @ me if you want some legit answers still.

[@davidargueta3214]

I have a 2021 corolla xse. Took my car for a throttle body and fuel injection cleaning at about 36,000 miles and i started to lose mpg.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

After? How are you tracking the mpg.

[@davidargueta3214]

My car was always stable at 29mpg and it dropped to about 24 mpg.

[@mikehigby7897]

Where is the after with results?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Camera quality was insufficient to get an inside view. Need to figure out a solution for that then re-do it on an engine that’s perhaps a transverse or 4 cylinder for easier access.

[@jonathanbellows113]

Would 36,000 miles for a Chevy Silverado 1500 be a good time to do the service I also use premium fuels and BK 44 every 5000 miles. I also have a S@b cold air intake im a little concerned that the increased airflow is going to play a part in more carbon? But not a chemist or a mechanic Also how do we ensure they’ll be using BG products?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Cold air intake won’t cause and issue with how the car runs unless it’s not the proper one for the car/causes a service engine light. Use of premium fuel (shell nitro+ 93) is the best for cleaning. That with the use of bg44k every 5k is already giving your engine the best chance at staying clean. Unless you’re having drivability issues from high carbon build up or it does tons of short trips (delivery’s,constant idle) you could probably wait.

[@brianp5579]

Bad video...pull the intake manifold off I want to see the intake valves..lets see how dirty they still are.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Bit difficult to pull intakes off customers cars but will keep it in mind if I come across one with easy access

[@bama205g]

I have a 2014 chevy cruze 1.4l turbo. Can I do this to my engine?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

You sure can, turbo cars benefit from this just as much. Maybe more. However, I suggest you find a professional shop to do it so it’s installed at the right place so it doesn’t cause damage. Wouldn’t recommend the DIY here. Doing this with charge pipes adds a bit more need for attention

[@bama205g]

@@RaceBreakRepeat thanks a lot man....I just called a induction service place near me and they said I can't do it because I have a turbo car....I dont know why they would say that

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

@@bama205g Probably because they either don't feel comfortable taking the risk or perhaps they don't have the adequate adapters for the car. A technician with hands on knowledge of your car could think it may not be worth it. There are plenty of fuel additives that can "help" also if used properly

[@conductorjohnmthtrains2239]

Chevy is doing fuel system service on my camaro,does that mean they are putting cleaner in the tank and through the TBody as well?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

It’s possible yes. There is not set definition for “fuel system service” so each treatment can vary per dealer.

[@denden01161]

What about chevron techron 91 oct fuel n fuel injection cleaner by chevron to maintain it 19 Lexus GX460?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

The octane of the fuel won’t offer any benefits over lower grades. Some fuels do have higher levels of cleaning agents which can reduce the carbon build up, thus the need for services as such. Fuel tank additives would help keep fuel systems clean as well, most benefit for port injection vehicles such as your GX. Last I knew Exxon followed by shell offered the highest levels of detergents in their 87 grade fuel. Shell has the highest cleaning power in high grade fuels last I knew.

[@denden01161]

@@RaceBreakRepeatthank you for the information

[@anthonyz7023]

The 1UR-FSE V8 equipped USA Lexus GX460 has D-4S which is port and direct injection. 😅

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

@@anthonyz7023 having port injection of any variant keeps most of the carbon at bay with quality fuels when comparing to strictly DI. I think I read 470 not 450

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

460*

[@colebgwillard6850]

There is zero alcohol in the BG kit. FYI.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

The MSDS on the product indicates there is alcohols in it. Perhaps there is more than one variation

[@colebgwillard6850]

@@RaceBreakRepeat which product?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Says it’s called “BG Air Intake System Cleaner” and the MSDS sheet says product code 206. Not sure if this is what you’re looking for

[@colebgwillard6850]

@@RaceBreakRepeat the air intake cans part number is 260. I assume your speaking on the propanol on the SDS sheet. I mis spoke on saying there is zero alcohol in that product. Propanol is a type of alcohol. That being said it does not make that product "alcohol or water based" the 44k can is the product that has zero alcohol and is polyetheramine based.

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

I was referring to it all, maybe the isopropyl in it would have been my first thought maybe.

[@ezurmnd]

Doesn't seafoam do the same?

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

Yes! it can do similar work when run through such an apparatus however. This particular stuff is water based. Sea foam is not.

[@colebgwillard6850]

Seafoam will not do the same. Seafoam is alcohol based. And is a dice roll. Alcohol combusts complety during combustion cycle of engine, raises octane lvls, and combustion pressures. Which sometimes lead to large chunks of carbon breaking off from intake valves, cylinder head etc. And going down stream and potentially harming the fuel/air system. BG fuel products are polyetheramine based (not water). And survive the combustion event, therefore traveling downstream with exhaust and potentially cleaning O2 sensors and cats depending on deposit level. I cant speak on the Toyota stuff.

[@the4hunters]

Really....you didn't show anything related

[@cflip7452]

BG is over rated! 1970 can design with snake oil and over priced. Typical Oil Guys Bragging About An Old Can Of Whatever!

[@RaceBreakRepeat]

It’s definitely expensive and hyped,but it’s effective. Can design probably doesn’t have anything to do with product inside. There are definitely products that work as well. The video wasn’t promoting BG necessarily.