Dear Riot, This.... is your problem

[@Ravlol]

"Subscribe for a cookie" -MrBeast

[@NightBeyondVeil]

Honor of Kings is better than LOL

[@Shearsss]

it's nice to see how much you really cared for dantes

[@jdogsful]

did you forget that your last video was about how black cleaver melts tanks? i dont worry about supp tanks. it top tanks i hate.

[@stix4785]

he's not a pdf?

[@arthurianash1161]

@@stix4785 LMAO

[@averyyeen]

Running it down over sharing the xp of two minions is a crazy crashout

[@smithiWerben]

Least mentally unstable league player.

[@that1snowyguy251]

Avg league players micron thin mental

[@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513]

Most stoic league of legends player

[@JustATotalNerd]

Definitely boomed over dying to yasuo, then looked for the tiniest thing to take his shame and project it as anger against a teammate

[@beatles42ohgg94]

its the only language people understand. sucks you gotta die 9-12 times for your team to get the messege but, every kill you give my laner, i give you laner 3. since one kill isnt a big deal, neither is 3

[@TheRumpletiltskin]

"I dodged, and then I undodged" Story of my life.

[@houdemon]

XD I LAUGHED SO HARD

[@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513]

Dantes retired? Come to think of it, I haven't seen a single clip or meme of him at all.

[@daybreak817]

No, he stopped playing League for less than 10 days, then cracked and went back to it because he's just as mentally broken and hopelessly addicted as every other League streamer.

[@Rumble_MikeXXL]

@@daybreak817 "league streamer" because only the streamers are mentally broken, sure buddy

[@xinlou6707]

@@daybreak817 nah its because it makes him money its that simple.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

@@daybreak817 It's more like Gen Z/alpha think they have to be super dramatic and call a vacation "quitting".

[@bookbookbook1]

It's because dantes viewership is based on hype events. Brazil, Korea, Europe etc if he's not doing some type of special stream like this then you won't hear much of him because the whole "league players are mental asylum patients" is an extremely overplayed joke at this point

[@hunterwcl2985]

I miss the good ole days when if you were behind and a tank was trying to 1v1 you it took 20 seconds for him to kill you because his job is not to do fucking damage. Now, you get 3 shot by tahm kench and can't hurt him and he heals just incase you did hurt him and then he leaps 3 flash ranges underneath 3 people and 1v3's getting a triple kill.

[@erwin8260]

that's because tanks back then could tank for 20 seconds. Now you either play tahm and 1v5 or die to a 0/7 adc with one item within 5 seconds

[@Franic19]

7:01 - Nice little detail up there, Rav👌

[@Night_Hawk_475]

Riot failed to keep the rock-paper-scissors system that early league genuinely had. Mages/assassins - highest burst Marksmen - lower burst but highest sustained damage over time Tanks - low burst and low sustained damage over time, but very high health/defense Mages/assassins burst marksmen marksmen out dps (by % hp) the tanks tanks live through mage/assassin burst and can grind down the mage/assassin before their cooldown rotation comes back up. Tanks are supposed to take a while to kill squishies, longer than a couple seconds, but shorter than the cooldown rotation of an mage or assassin (the cooldown of a xerath W or zed W, etc etc) - about 7-10 ish seconds. In the early days of league this kind of actually worked, at least at multiple times in the history of the meta. But over time tanks became able to tank through heavy sustained damage from decently well farmed marksmen in the mid game, while also getting more and more base damage making their burst insane. Tanks have almost always been "good", but they have not always been fun. Riot keeps buffing them because players don't play tanks enough, even when they're very good in the meta :c

[@NotSpecialDude]

Tank metas are the direct result of Marksman dominance. The cripplingly flaw in the triangle isn't tanks OR Adcs, it's assassins/mages who can't burst adcs anymore. Adcs are laning top and mid because they push and bully out their "counter" and as a result, we are left in the back and forth of Tanks vs Adcs.

[@eon2330]

​@@NotSpecialDudethis is because if the hybridization between marksmen and assassins along with mages and ap marksmen etc and bruisers. The hybridization forced samira to either die to zed or beat zed 1v1. If she can beat him, she goes mid. If she can't she is too weak vs kallista or insert champ here. The entire issue in league is. Rn Items. Aren't very strong offensively. Some items give thousands of gold value right? Well darius passive gives like 8k gold. If he isn't rushing crit or things like guinsoos/light/dark thing theirs a reason. Champs like dar starting with 40% pen and 400 ad just from being, lvl 18 causes MASSIVE item power flaws. Scaling lvl items like wits end and hullbreaker. Flaws. Bork being strong vs 0 sustain champions and WEAK VS high sustain/shielding tanks. Etc. Is an issue. Cool you rushed bork vs mundo nice.

[@Night_Hawk_475]

@@NotSpecialDude tbf, even back in season 3 I remember how it was well known that marksmen mid were lane bullies before level 6. But back then assassins could still 100-0 marksmen even when the assassins were fairly behind on xp/items, as long as they hit all their abilities. Over time riot has found "dying to 100-0 combos from characters who fell behind" to be a bad design, and has made assassins more reliant on getting ahead early. I think it took a long time for those cumulative changes to snowball and for the community to realize and adapt. But marksmen being lanebullies at least isn't a new thing.

[@PlayaGuitar]

@@NotSpecialDude Kind of true, but then if you nerf marksmen tanks will actually just win against everything except some bruisers or champs with insanely high true damage. I'm not sure that's any better. If you are going to nerf marksmen you probably have to nerf a lot of other things a certain amount as well, kind of like the durability patch. But one issue that remains is that this is the result of a faster game. If we still had 40 minutes before the game ends there's more room to separate champs with different strengths and scaling. Shorter game means if you need 20-25 minutes to scale, like Smolder, and the game is almost over by then, you create super unfun gameplay for 75% of the game on some champs and roles. Then you also have ambiguous scaling for assassins, where they seem to just scale in a way that kills squishies harder and faster later, and you have this reverse of assassins early/marksmen late. It's hard to reign everything in to how it was before.

[@somo4227]

beacuse riot made it so marksmen are hogtied to their suport to survive sustained damage is what adcs should represent,the direct counter to tankd who are good at surviving burst attempts but tanks can easly kill adcs beacuse they have good damage and lifesteal isn't enough to save them

[@loafofocean2289]

"I dodged and undodged" got me 😭😭

[@HoMiNGHeaD]

0:10 it seriously took like 14 seasons for people to start finally realizing this?

[@4x13x17]

To realize support is broken? Mhm.

[@ImmaterialDream]

@@4x13x17 *clears throat* ARDENT CENSER META

[@4x13x17]

@@ImmaterialDream i sure love lulu having her polymorph cc duration increased!

[@jakofshadows]

Found a workaround for this and it's been making my games a lot of fun tormenting these guys. Kogmaw with Bork nashor deathcap ect. Do 15-20% life per hit with 2.5 attack speed

[@roguewasbanned4746]

Yeah it’s almost like you have to actually build to counter something if you want to beat it

[@ambeegaming76]

I always liked an on hit Varus but in elo hell people forget about the burst from popping the blight on a W max

[@slof69]

​@@roguewasbanned4746but they removed anti tank like cut down and ldr so you have to play %hp champs

[@tokofukawap4055]

​​@@slof69 go liandrys or bork stop crying

[@jeremysalads7458]

@@slof69they didn’t remove cut down or LDR

[@markedfang]

I guess there is 2 parts to this. The simultaneous knowledge that 1 mistake CAN coinflip the game and the reality that sometimes you lack the agency entirely to make the coin drop in your opponent's favor. I blame the fact that everyone's power budget is too high. Give Baron 80% anti-heal and make that fucker impossible to solo again. Xd

[@eon2330]

Omg you genius. Make the baron buff give everyone an damage enemy effect to reduce healing by 80% for 7 seconds. Imagine playing mundo and darius gets the baron buff. Perfect game.

[@Heathcliff_Hater]

​@@eon2330I think he means the baron himself, not the baron buff

[@ruggedlemmings9163]

"I carried without feeling like I carried." Sounds like ASol at launch.

[@Akkodha.]

4:30 maybe the best kiting I've ever seen

[@LunaDaBintu]

“First” -assassin player plagued by the negative effects of tanks

[@dannythorpe1425]

is ""first" really still a thing?

[@Todo776]

I started building shaco with black cleaver and Bork to counter them. Works pretty well

[@josephdevita2938]

​@@Todo776because you are smart and learned to adapt. People dont learn for some reason. They will still go full crit or attack speed with no armor pen or grevious wounds and complain they got beat by the tank. Ive played since season 2 so i have seen pretty much everything. And season 2-5 adc's ran the game. Especially jinx on release her lazer scaled close to 240% or something crazy like that and with just an inf edge you could half health anyone.

[@jonp1952]

@@josephdevita2938 The reason Shaco works is because his clone also procs on-hits. You have two champions reducing armor, and dealing % HP damage. Shaco would be the only assassin that works in this scenario most likely. Any other assassin would likely die due to the chain CC before they could even proc black cleaver's full stacks.

[@josephdevita2938]

@jonp1952 zed definitely still works due to his built in armor shred and max hp dmg.

[@jamesh9744]

Tanks need to be tanky, but do basically no damage. It's that simple. I don't know why Riot has such a hard time with this

[@ignacioperez5479]

because when it was like that, nobody played them

[@renzbolado153]

@@ignacioperez5479 thats just not true, even back in S7 prior to ardent censer, tanks were meta specifically because they were unkillable and not because they did damage. It was commonplace for fights like tahm kench vs maokai to literally not end unless an external factor intervened or if one of the players decided the time wasnt worth it. Riot has a hard time with this because they want their games to on average, last less than 40 minutes, which skews the dichotomy of ADC and tank balance the most. At the end of the day, Riot is unwilling to scale back the damage tanks due from S11 item rework onwards either out of pride or because they're willing to sacrifice ADC and tank balance in favor of shorter duration games.

[@thomasb5307]

It's not that simple, being tanky is useless on its own for your team. You are not in an MMO where tanks can force their ennemies to agro them, so they need to find a way to be useful. Champs like Nautilus, Leona or Thresh don't need damage because they apply a lot of CC (and surprise surprise, they usually are pretty low on the damage recap at the end of the game) Mundo on the other hand provides nothing to his team aside from a single skillshot slow. If he doesn't deal damage, there is legit zero reason to play him at all.

[@jcartist5881]

@@ignacioperez5479 then remove tanks. make everyone dmg

[@truetichma]

Because being tanky doesn't win you the game if your carry gets killed before you. A (fed) tank should still be a threat, and if tanks deal no damage (which is totally possible if they buy no damage items as in heartsteel, sunfire etc.) they are not.

[@josephdevita2938]

Grevious wounds,botrk, andarmor pen exist for a reason. Yes they have been nerfed but they still do the job. So i dont understand why people build full crit and then complain they do no dmg to the 600 armor tank.

[@mac1462]

Rammus says hi

[@sts2010ful]

its the fact that the "TANK" who might i remind you ONLY BUILDS TANK ITEMS NOT DMG ITEMS can still almost one shot anyone on team and no even lose a sliver of HP thats the problem here

[@TheAstyanii]

Support tank meta exists in the pro scene because that's the only role left for a frontliner. ADCs are expected as top, mid, and bot. Jungle tank has clearspeed issues. But yeah, it doesn't surprise me that ADCs are crying about tank existing in even that last slot. If they had their way, it'd be either an ADC in every role and rocket tag decides who wins, or it'd be 1 ADC +4 enchanters.

[@that1snowyguy251]

Adc god complex

[@cetofox]

Isn't the traditionally highest consistent dps class obviously supposed to counter tanks? And ADCs are strong but in order for tank players not to cry about dying too fast to ADCs they won't nerf tanks which in turn makes it miserable for assasins and burst mages. Tanks are supposed to counter them but they do that way too effective in the current meta which is mainly due to adcs being strong. 9:36 that's a lvl 15, 13 kills 3 item talon who would unironically lose a 1v1 to a 2 item lvl 13 Nautilus even if smolder wasn't there. Also tanks are insanely broken with Warmogs since they don't even have to take good fights or win all ins (they win all ins very often still.). They can afford to take bad trades and easily outsustain their opponent by standing still. Also tanks are by design the most forgiving champion class to play since it takes the longest for them to die. That makes tank meta even more frustrating since opponents might make mistakes and get away with them almost completely unpunished just because they play a tank. Ofc there are some other specific Champs that are really forgivable to play but in terms of the class, tanks are probably the most forgivable. Even if they fall behind, most tanks are some of the most useful champs when behind and can easily have far more impact than their opponent even when behind (malphite, nautilus, ornn...)

[@4x13x17]

@@cetofox Warmog's is still a bad item. It gives you sustain, sure, but mana usage for tanks is terribly costly + ldr and bork are still in the game. tanks haven't been ever good since S5, their effectiveness fluctuates between decent (ornn) and bad (everyone else that isn't a support) Have in mind, this video showcases tank supports, not your traditional tank on toplane or jungle. Support has been known to be an elo inflated role for years, this is not a tank issue, this is an issue at the core of the support role, which gives tanks less obligation to use their mana because engages are more limited and opportunistic.

[@Juria1987]

@@cetofox Even if ya behind and don't got much, a stun bot and meat shield is still a stun bot and meat shield. Always useful, at least as long as the ones who suppose to do the big damage are doing it anyway.

[@ambeegaming76]

I used to main ADC I don't mind tanks I just wish they wouldn't 1v3 my team and still be able to kill me with their damage lol

[@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513]

9:10 The Scratch Meow sfx had no business being this funny

[@kamilkollodi2060]

well i had 0/14 nautilus that missed all hooks whole game

[@SmallPotato2313]

Thats just skill issue.

[@eon2330]

You do realize that means that naut player won enough games while having 0/14 skills to be in YOUR lobbies right? It clearly means he has very little punishment for his failures.

[@adamwest7019]

@@eon2330 Unless he was a naut onetrick that missed all his shots, he probably just played other champions to get to that rank.

[@kamilkollodi2060]

@@eon2330 well ye sadly

[@ikirusha]

I feel like people don't know how to counter build. There's counter picking and counter building.

[@Danktart]

Some champions don't have the options to counter build. Samira is a great example. You're going to build bork on samira?

[@ikirusha]

@@DanktartIts objective. Look at who you're facing. Pick swap for counters. Usually i let top lane counter pick and mid lane. So i always give up my pick cycle to those players. Also pick champions based on what challenger players are playing. Not because you want to have fun. Use the meta. The fun is reserved for pubs. In ranked you should know better

[@ikirusha]

I refuse to touch samira because her kit is mid af

[@ikirusha]

@@Danktart Item picks are also situational based on your champion pick into their picks.

[@XxRubenYoxX]

4:55 "We have a group full of damage, shields, burst, hp... and an ADC"

[@paradoxical247]

The real problem is the lack of item builds we have. All tanks get the same four items, all mages get the same five, all adc's get the same three, so on and so on.

[@saloscontent]

yea i want to see a full rewamp of all items

[@paradoxical247]

Revamp wouldn't be enough. What the community needs is twice the items we have now, it would give agency from match to match allowing for underplayed champs to shine and help smooth out mid game snowballing by allowing for better counterplay. Take Mundo for example. Is he the problem, or warmogs? Or, and hear me out, is the problem that adc assassins and mages have literally no single item available to them to help stop that snowball of a combo?

[@daltoncarroll1569]

Also need double the bans all unique bans and banning phases

[@alexandreborman2183]

That's so fucking True, when I play an ADC, I look at items and I'm like "WTF am I building there is not a single one good item combination" so I build, yes you guessed it Static, RFC, Mortal reminder, that's 90% of ADC items. Then I play a mage and I'm like, "ooh there's a lot of items buuut half of them sucks and half of them are for melees... great" Next I play a Tank and guess what yes Warmog into sunfire (AD or AP), then thornmail finishing with FoN... It's not fun, I want Night Harvester back, Prowler's claw back, I don't want Divine sunderer back, but I want Evenshroud back, Stormrazor with Kircheis shard and revert all the changes made with Kircheis shard deletion, old Luden, old Ginsoo where your crit was transformes into on-hit bonus damage, Crown, Everfrost, Radiant Virtue, Gargoyle my love, the list goes on.

[@uberhuber7903]

I played one game of league with a friend. I got a double kill and pushed one wave of minions into the tower, which in turn killed two waves of our own minions, denying farm. The ADC lost her mind and said I ruined her lane. I remembered why this game and its community are butt.

[@roguewasbanned4746]

You played with an adc. Brain damage and severely overbearing narcissism is the standard.

[@ambeegaming76]

So greatful to have always been a Bronze/Iron player even my peak was only Silver 2 only one in 10 games would I find an ADC that cared about wave state it was always the mids bitching and I don't blame them knowing every game turns into aram in their lane xD

[@SmallPotato2313]

If u described the situation correctly and honestly.then u did the right thing. Dont pay attention to someonewho doesnt even have the knowledge about the basics of his own lane.

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

Last time I played support I had a vision score of 78 and my ADC was complaining I wasn’t defending them against the ganks they could see 14 seconds before they happened

[@saloscontent]

@@theveganduolingobird7349 CLASSIC

[@jzax9959]

0:05 9:16 Same moment, but flipped.

[@alexandreborman2183]

Haha truuue

[@AbominationalFailure]

It's not a tank meta, its an engage support meta as far as supports go maybe, but in master+ its not uncommon to see both solo lanes with ADCs in them. Its an ADC meta, and ADCs absolutely shred tanks when they hit 3+ items. The issue with supports dominating bot isn't an itemization issue so much as its a gold issue. Supports have too much income.

[@thomasb5307]

The fact that solo lane mages can work as supports just says it all.

[@sparks6177]

The real issue is that players have gotten complacent. For the past few seasons tanks haven’t done any damage so you just ignore them and focus the carrys and win the game while the tank does 0 damage. This in turn made it meta to just build high damage items on every adc and avoid any item that would be good against tanks. If an adc builds giantslayer for example they will melt the tanks, but everyone is used to the past 3 seasons where you build the same 4 items on every adcs regardless of if the enemy has a tank or not. Now tanks do just enough damage that you can’t just walk right past them to the adc. IMO this is how it should be, this isn’t a pve game where tanks can force agro, most players are smart enough to realize that if the tank does no damage then they can just walk through them and only have to worry about dodging cc (which is usually a long cd anyway). The only way that tanks can be viable is if they do just enough damage to be a threat if you get into their burn and/or melee range, this forces adc’s to play around the tank and give thought to the tank which is the closest you can get to “agro”

[@thomasb5307]

@@sparks6177 You ARE supposed to walk through them though. If you try to take down a Leona first and let the ennemy ADC being free DPS you are just dead. Besides, support tanks don't deal nearly enough damage nowadays to be a threat, the only issue is that they can CC chain you for 3-4 seconds which is usually enough to kill anyone. Your point about marksmen not building anti tanks items for several seasons is just plain wrong. It happens that Lord Dominik or Mortal reminder give the equivalent of 35 lethality late game vs squishie champions so they have been core items for years. The items effective against tanks are also best in slot against everyone which is stupid game design

[@sparks6177]

@@thomasb5307 yes, ideally you’re supposed to find a way to ignore the tank… but it should be harder and more skill based than not respecting their kit and damage and getting into their range without any sort of trade whatsoever. I’m just saying, it makes playing tank seem useless when you do so little damage that the squishiest champs in the game can let get free hits and it doesn’t effect the outcome of the fight at all as long as they know how to dodge one 9 second cd stun…

[@thomasb5307]

@@sparks6177 Nah I can't let you say that dodging tanks CC rotation is not hard when they are legit made fun for how unfair their skillshots hitboxes are. You have Nautilus with a point and click ranged bump that he can chain into a hook with one of the most unfair hitbox in the game that he can chain into a point and click root that he can followup with a slow if ever needed. That's at least a 2-3 seconds CC rotation in a game where the only tenacity rune has been deleted, unless your team is useless that's a death sentence on whoever is eating this. And Leona or Alistar are not much different/harder. If you miss your abilities as a tank that's on you but if you ever play a melee champion that tries to carry, tank supports are one of the biggest counter you can face and they can make you go from a triple kill angle to facing a pathetic death real quick.

[@fluttershyisnotadoormat4678]

how many times I played full tank and still got deleted in seckonds by some asasin

[@Fine_Mouche]

5:40 : i feel you man to dodge, but you decide to have pity for the skillshot and take it in your body.

[@stiveroonie1283]

That hook on the invisible Aurora at 8:27 was so good rav

[@high_culture_cat]

3:28 > U eat me there > I don't like goth LMAO

[@umbranocturna6342]

Something on your score top right around 7:05 does he do that often?

[@karolek5682]

"The sky ate a platter of pantheon an will be shitting the meal out shortly"😂😂😂😂

[@Chronicler13666]

As a support main using Nautilus, Leona and Rell, I am so thankful for the tank meta. ADCs - render them useless with Sunfire and Thornmail, Assassins - would you like to waste your skills and ult on my shields then try to cherry tap me to nearly no effect afterwards (been pestering Riot to nerf assassins to the point of increasing their difficulty and making their gameplay riskier recently. Even suggested that they should experience a debuff if they join teamfights or fight more than 1 target), Mages - MR and Bruisers - see entry on ADCs and Assassins

[@zwib]

The commentary is absolutely amazing and tts just made it so much better

[@Radishboy]

0:25 Rav out here lookin like Colonel Sanders. kekw

[@mcELINER]

How does anyone find tank meta annoying if there is 1 tank on in 10 games 😅deffo preferred to have tanks vs 4adc+master yi comps

[@alexandreborman2183]

The tanks in question: any support tank Malphite (kinda) and Mundo, nice shortcut

[@thesun5275]

Why does it feel like every season the problem is either tanks surviving too much or tanks dying in an instant. There is no inbetween

[@seitoru]

Imagine if you buy item for a tank, you get your final outcoming damage decreased by the amount of damage reduction that you receive (so the same calling as armor, mr, ah). Also no %healing bonuses.

[@caroqt]

the mid laner spam pinging is so accurate, I was roaming as supp to put some wards down to help my team with vision and I got pinged for it 🤣

[@johnmetsis1997]

u got me there .. while checking the death scoreboard

[@yeiskelcisneros2298]

I noticed the death count after the drake fiesta hahaha. Nice one Rav

[@moondragon2502]

Bad timing here, releasing that video the day of the patch where the warmog is getting nerfed

[@wsad1337]

sweet summer child

[@moondragon2502]

@@wsad1337 hehehehe

[@roguewasbanned4746]

Warmog shouldn’t be able to full heal you in one go. It should have to go on cd and activate multiple times before full heal

[@moondragon2502]

@@roguewasbanned4746 Yeah idk i'm not on the Riot balance team dude

[@evotevo29]

tbh tanks arent even an issue there are items and champs to deal with them put no one wants to play them where all the vaynes at atm?

[@VladSuperKat]

Building warmog on Tahm and Taric is the most useless thing ever :)) They both profit more from spirit visage.

[@BumboBoy]

Tanks are fine a 52ish percent WR with turbo low pick rates is actually acceptable. Rav being rav though blowing it out of proportion for content. There are much higher pick rate champs with higher win rates.

[@Ravlol]

Can you list a few so I can be me more and blow them out of proportion for content too?

[@BumboBoy]

​@@Ravlol Swain and brand bot have a 55% wr this patch and 8 other champs in other roles before we even get to the first tank support. Out of the best supports right now in the top 5 one of them is a tank support and ranks 3rd with a 50ish percent win rate. The issue is you see high WR and think OP. The play rate is so low on many of these champions the data is not conclusive. Its mostly a few one tricks and mains inflating the WR. If you sort by Tier that actually gives you a better idea of what is meta or good right now. With low pick rates many of these picks are also used as counter picks exclusively. Taric is a big one that is usually only played as a counter pick. Thats why the WR is so high. Its not that tank supports bot are busted. For the most part they are actually on the weaker side and assasin/mage/enchanter supports are actually out performing them. You content is funny and interesting but pretending to understand meta or what is or isnt OP is wack. Also if we go by last patch the one in this video Senna Seraphine and Pyke are out performing all tank supports when we account for the pick rate of those tanks. Standard deviation Rav it matters a lot when looking at stats.

[@sketar162]

7:08 lol the censor on the kda

[@MrFelbs]

Damn... you got me at 7:05

[@midgur]

this guy told us he lived in that naut game and ofc i looked at his kda and realized i just got baited

[@shadetail]

I like tank meta, and enjoy playing in it.

[@SingedAndZoeGaming]

That mundo clip at the beginning is a level 18 mundo with 16 kills against level 13, 15, 17 with negative kd

[@uuamenator]

play at 2.0x speed to make Rav sound like a professional lol caster

[@Nooberix]

From what I've noticed, most people (at least among those I've seen) like to play characters that kill quickly and die even faster. I'm different in that regard, and I love the feeling of being indestructible in the middle of the enemy team, knowing that none of them will look at me even for a second until the fight is already over.

[@ebblesr]

I played Cho' Gath the other day and went 6/2 by accident. I was trying my hardest to just be invincible, feed my carry kills and cs, I also didn't buy damage items that meant anything. Neither he nor the enemy team were having that.

[@krisztoferkugler811]

That walking out untouched death counter check prediction was actually insane dude. I needed to stop the video that moment and think about my life. I got tricked I admit there

[@MR0KITTY]

Exhibit the Ribbit Permit the Kermit Parole the Tadpole Unclog the Frog Unload the Toad Unleash da Catfeesh Unbench the Kench

[@duranburnett]

Hey Rav, so i notice you always just run to tower when being ganked, just a little tip, when ganked with a full minion wave, playing it out is 90% of the time a better trade for you. For example when you guys got ganked by the Diana, your adc was doing the right thing fighting, but you just ran away doing nothing, you could easily secure a kill and even when you die you have lane prio aftewrads.

[@pizay2201]

Been spamming Nautilus Smolder with the duo, so happy you tried it out lmao. Such broken bs

[@MotivatedMan]

The biggest reason people aren’t playing is because we don’t have a Vanilla Ice skin for Thresh called Fresh

[@TheForestChannel1]

League players are tragic. Glad I'm not one of them

[@saloscontent]

so why are you here then?

[@TheForestChannel1]

Uhh... Rav. Isn't it obvious?

[@donmikan]

I play tank supp and top, so im biased, but the reason why tank supp is strong isnt because of too much dmg while being unkilable. That happens only when they get giga fed, but then it should naturally happen. Lets analize tank supp in both low elo and pro play. In low elo tank supp is strong because it easily punishes enemy who oversteps and doesnt respect the area around a tank supp which they control (think of it as the range of their longest cc spell). In low elo this happens often, as people are impatient and dont think about the consequences of their actions. And when they get cc'd, they die if they are squishy. (actually one full rotation from supp and adc doesnt kill an adc lvl 2, but leaves them at around 15% hp) In high elo its all about getting the first strike in when it suits your team, so for example leona is more consistent and more forcing at starting a fight then soraka, and her sheer presence forces enemies away from her impact radius, exerting control (like they say in chess, the threat is stronger than the execution). But this doesnt mean that tank supp is always broken, last year in pro play they essentially played 2 adcs bot (and lucian nami) to be able to always push the wave, get lvl 2,3 first, and exert control that way. Also, in late game, if enchanter supp survived well they become more usefull than tank supp. Imo tank supp meta is more interesting to watch than enchanter, as it opens the possibility to play agressive adcs and sacrifice some giga scaling, like draven, and make the lane more volatile/interesting early, not a farm fest. Also, when you have tank supp you dont always need tank top, so the top lane becomes more interesting with various picks. As for tank top, its effectiveness in low elo is again because of bad positioning of players which you can punish with cc, but it also works in tank users favour because they dont insta die if they are misplaced. In pro play, tank top gives up early game control in order to exert pressure by sheer presence in teamfights if they scale, like a tank supp exerts pressure early. If enemy plays well and dives tank with 3rd or 4th wave, or freezes and camps him, they will win before that tank becomes usefull. Thats why renekton is almost always played, he creates too much pressure and can snowball, so does rumble. Aatrox last season was best of both worlds, had pressure early and control late game. Tldr: tank supp good early, but must snowball, tank top good late, but must get there. Tanks easily punish low elo mistakes and are harder to punish by low elo players.

[@bestfacechecklol]

so many crybabies in LoL, im glad i quit. its even worse now

[@shin_9256]

min 4:03 no ignite and thinking that tanks are op u have to be overdosed on adc beverage

[@jairartis]

I wish Riot would make a shift to having *tanking* actually a viable playstyle in league. Have Barron/dragon/herald do more damage and be threatening but not have as much armor/MR shred Give enemies more abilities that deal less damage to every person beyond the first so face tanking keeps your team safe. Nerf tanks damage and buff their sustainability/CD’s for more rotations on CC and less burst damage overall. Last time we had a tank meta Riot just introduced a bunch of anti tank items, and nerfed their defenses. To be fair, we did need more tank busting options but that fix was always temporary and sub-optimal.

[@huh681]

"was more concerned with asserting my raw dominance as a tank support by giving samira directions back to her own fountain" *Proceed to obliterate her*

[@Playlist2746]

not the hand ToT 7:04

[@SilverLinin_]

Tank have always been a issue for last few seasons. They have insane hp, massive defenses, and for some reason they keep making tanks that either do dmg based off of their own HP or items that do or they can switch to some ridiculous build that lets them two tap you and tank like a bruiser.

[@Keln02]

As a tank main. They aren't unkillable. A single support can nullify your damage. Adc doesn't beat tank. Support does.

[@MisterJackson2U]

ADC beats the absolutely shit out of tank, when they have their items. But most are trash at farming so they are weak when the shit hits the fan in team fights.

[@balintborbandy2706]

Tanks only have 1 unbalance, and its max hp scaling damage, but the enemy does max hp damage to you too so its actually balanced (not including the ksante type tanks)

[@ignacioperez5479]

except that is not the same dealing 5% of 5K to a 5K champ than 2.5% of 5K to a 1.8K champ

[@alexandreborman2183]

%maxHealth always takes ennemy​ max health into account unless it is specified the opposite, I can only think of Mundo Q that does %maxHealth of the caster. So yes it is not the same as you say😉 @ignacioperez5479

[@ignacioperez5479]

@@alexandreborman2183 You Get it wrong. One thing is dealing % damage (like vayne W) and other is dealing damage scaling with % HP like zac Q, that deals the base damage +30% of his AP + 4% of zac's max HP

[@alexandreborman2183]

@@ignacioperez5479 oh okay yeah I see what you mean, sorry.

[@desrofah4057]

dude just has a way with words

[@garafaa]

5:35 and then i dodged... and then i undodged

[@wewemaster197]

7:07 got me dude

[@DuraExtvia]

Personally, tank meta is only an issue when those tanks are nigh-impossible to kill AND they do more damage than the ADC who actually has items. And that is partially an issue cause every ADC has to get within actual engage range to actually hit anyone-- which in itself takes positioning out of the equation entirely cause no matter where you stand you're in range of an enemy's retaliation and can never truly be out of their reach-- even as Caitlyn or Kog'Maw.

[@mauricioramirez3096]

I remember when they lowered the damage from the game to make fight last longer, i had fun playing 3 games and next time i logged in everything was trash again

[@pearyn]

"lantern larry" XD

[@onthedre]

I remember about 3-4 months ago people were saying League isn't dying and it's getting a lot better and you should come back to play it while the irons hot. Doomed game XD I don't play anymore but tank meta being back gives me aids

[@alfavhunter7010]

Here is an item idea for tanks Give it this passive Lone guardian-reduces damage you take from all sources by 15% as long as your total health is higher than any of your nearby allies.

[@alexandreborman2183]

That's a cool idea, I don't know how good it could pay off but I like it, at least people get to choose

[@TheNeckoman]

I got one more reason... rootkit.

[@Manocsak2]

character types was and always been a circle. In general, tanks beats assassins, assassins beats mages, mages beats adcs, adcs beats tanks, any 3 item adc would kill that mundo that just an itemization problem on adc sides, if they see the big tank, buy botrk, kraken, armorpen, (4th rageblade and he is done) and you beat that mundo no matter what, a 6 item adc melts that it nothing. Funny thing about adc items, you can build it to any character, adcs most of the time give either range, or stat boost like as or ad, or utility (ashe ult(stun) and slow) but I can build a teemo or even a braum to kill that mundo with these items. Lux on that clip being one of the longest range artillery mage in the game, go almost next to the mundo is just stupid. She is not an adc she uses her full combo and stays sure probably a tank meta

[@sparks6177]

Typical league players… tanks are tanky and adcs are squishy and we all put on surprised pikachu faces… riot finally makes it to where an adcs can’t just ignore a tanks damage and to kill a tank you need tank killing items. Honestly what else would happen in your ideal game state? Adc’s are meant to be low hp without a way to sustain in fight other than omnivamp and items like archangels/shield bow or zhonas. And tanks can’t just instantly die to an adc or they are useless (like they have been in previous patches where everyone played yuumi because all that mattered was damage and healing). Honestly the whole point of a tank imo is their ability to counter the adc with items that stack burn/ reduce AS/ reflect damage (thornmail) to stop the adc from being able to sustain in a fight.

[@seppo8383]

The thing about 4min w naut, smolder is scaling and not very strong at early game. So unless your smolder is very good player, going all in early game usually just gets them killed.

[@TheAngelRaven]

The issue is that Riot had an entire patch for the Durability of ALL champions, yet they continue to increase damage across the board. I always hated playing Engage Supports/Tanks because they are extremely easy and braindead, but it wasn't hard to believe champs like Maokai support were in strong places when you just struggle to die in lane when playing with an ounce of thought.

[@slof69]

this is why I started playing ap varus

[@pinovids]

buy void staff, buy lord dominiks done.

[@confinedyeti5185]

no tank is unkillable when smoulder, vayne, cammile, trundle, lillia etc etc exist

[@nemak89]

You do understand there are bans in ranked games right?

[@confinedyeti5185]

@@nemak89 i cant ban 10 characters

[@munchiemunchie5226]

​@@nemak89There's no way you just said that

[@alexandreborman2183]

Wait let him cook... Oh he dodges now I understand.​@@munchiemunchie5226

[@driphaylo2318]

When wow, thank you goodbye

[@Shareezz]

Not using "uncontested dragon" joke to actually mean Smolder is such a missed humor opportunity.

[@Ravlol]

Can you explain and I will include it in future

[@Shareezz]

@@Ravlol Explaining jokes is the worst, but I'll try. Dragon is a dragon. Smolder is a dragon. So while your team was doing an uncontested dragon, the enemy team could've "done the uncontested dragon" by killing Smolder.

[@juanstekelenburg3175]

The tank meta is still better than the trend of the 5 adc comp we've been seeing recently.

[@Sim_JFD]

"We could eventually take down the underleveled support without casualties" I felt that. I love to play supptank but the current meta is a little bit bs if I can facetank 1v5 as Maokai with maybe 2 kills to my name and still get a frag or two in that fight while waiting for my carries to catch up.

[@notunknownguy]

Tank meta unfun: Me: litterly playing tank every single game

[@zabolsum]

Tank supports do not count. Try to play a tank top on a rank higher than emerald and you'll get absolute shitton

[@revyrev28]

^

[@alexandreborman2183]

Yes, absolute nightmare, I embraced a build on Sion that I taught of, that is very funny, but as I am useless I go Trinity into Hullbreaker then Nashor's tooth and Lich bane with empowered recall boots and TP. Starts the Yorick gameplay, never leave lane only Push for towers. It's funny how these items kinda revert all the Sion nerfs with his passive turret damage.

[@mikhailismaelsanchezdejesu2942]

I was so lost yesterday when a full tank no damage item nautilus was just 1v1 deleting my entire bar. I Still dont know where the damage was coming from

[@GustavoOliverXD]

"TaNK ItEmS aRe WeAKEr tHaN otHeR RoLEs" lol

[@ZadenWoW]

@@GustavoOliverXD they literally are terrible, only 1 tank item is ever op at any one time.0

[@alexandreborman2183]

They are

[@michael87012]

1:20 me when tresh player don't pick up free souls 😡

[@CorruptionAura]

When they gave insane damage to 10 percent of the champions with perfect damage items to it, they had to compensate other champions in weird ways... or give them more damage. Now we are right back where everyone does broken damage just a few champions can also take damage. We need to go back to like season 3 damage and cd and tankiness. Where only busted damagers were leblanc and lee sin and kassadin.

[@perinamer1]

No more Lethal Tempo, Fleet Footwork and Cut Down got nerfed pretty hard, LDR is practically a useless item, like there's no way anti heal is equal to 1 long sword... Geez, it feels like whoever is balancing this game forgets the changes they did the previous patches (obv they don't, but it just really feels like it)

[@tyshawnstubbs9315]

I like to play Poppy ngl. However, I would reluctantly refuse to run Warmog's Armor because of my general hatred towards the item... I dont think a single game of me has use that item yet, and I will forever refuse it.

[@drjjloveman]

It would be cool if you did an ARAM video sometime. Also hoping to see some more WoW content. I imagine you could make some funny SoD phase 4 stuff. Love the content though.

[@XinRhinoPill]

Garen, Mundo, Nasus, Malph, etc. All have insane mobility or CC, can do insane amounts of DMG, and are Tanky af. The worst offender imo is garen. Can melt and entire minon wave, chunk a turret, assassinate your adc, then run away from your entire team, and if someone does manage to catch him it will take about 1 minute to kill him.

[@munchiemunchie5226]

Garen has basically no cc and very little mobility early also not a tank, Mundo has almost no cc, no mobility but is a hypersscalling pick like Kayle also not a tank, Nasus is Nasus (I shouldn't have to explain his flaws) also not a tank, Malphite doesn't deal damage nor has range as such is the trade off of being a tank. Bad examples, bad logic tanks don't deal damage and theres a difference between tanks and juggernauts.

[@XinRhinoPill]

@@munchiemunchie5226 idk what u just said but you're wrong

[@munchiemunchie5226]

@@XinRhinoPill I don't wanna be rude but how is that hard to understand?

[@juleshead2725]

The amount of times I see full tank TK have the biggest damage weiner in the game is unreal he’s a monster

[@Supertoddy96]

The only people who enjoy tanks are when you get old, become incompetent at playing fast to execute like champs (riven irelia sometimes yasuo and most to all assassins) and have to play slower to play high upfront damage tanks and they get unproportionately rewarded for it