DEATH BATTLE! | Scarlet Witch VS Zatanna (REACTION)

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#DeathBattle #MarvelVsDC #ScarletWitchVsZatanna

[@MrJJDIZZLE23]

Zatanna is pure magic, when magic is involved there is no logic there doesn't need to be everything is infinite when magic is involved. Theres nothing but imagination.

[@nighomnipotent2172]

This

[@toddfrench600]

LMAOO...The problem is that people who read Marvel comics and watch Marvel movies don't know anything about DC lmaooo...thats why all these Marvel fans take these L's lol.

[@detectivebrown6211]

No shame to mcu only fans but they really be talking about shit they know nothing about 😂

[@davidc.]

They don't just be disrespecting dc they disrespect marvel also

[@TheWeakest26]

No the problem is that marvel spreads out their characters getting god like powers or feats whereas DC does it often and they also aren't up to date with a lot of characters either. Currently wanda is more powerful than she's ever been and is the most sane she's ever been and would beat z in a close fight but z is my fave DC sorceress so I'm not mad at it.

[@mateoreacts3238]

Watch my friends reaction kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2iaonWGhcyEf80

[@reggielacey2235]

Shut up bro

[@plusmarvel6863]

Did you know Magic in DC is way more Different than Marvel has. DC Magic is Unbound which makes mysterious and Unknown while on Marvel even humans can comprehend and learn magic. That's why....

[@shadow15kryans23]

That and DCs magic being based on belief allows for very few limitations

[@nighomnipotent2172]

@@shadow15kryans23 Magicians themselves putting a rules and limitations for their own sake. Giovanni Zatara told Bruce Wayne about that on Justice League Dark #12

[@mateohere5025]

In the crossover with DC and Marvel when Scarlet Witch arrived in the DC universe she was so overwhelmed by the magic in that universe it caused her to almost go haywire and possible create a Big Bang. She had no control over it and it shows that DC’s magic is stronger

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

@@mateohere5025 I would say that it’s just different. I know some characters that have struggled with lesser powers. For example, Goku has no issues with Super Saiyan God, but can’t handle SSJ3 well, even though SSJ3 is far inferior.

[@WinniePooh33]

Actually so wrong.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

DC is at it's best when it doesn't stay grounded. These characters aren't meant to really have limits, Superman being the prime example of this. They take imagination and belief and make them a power, reflecting our own world. Everything humanity has is because someone dreamed of it, imagined it in their head and made it happen. Our cultures and history are shaped by beliefs. The fact that we know so much about the vast universe we live in is a lot more amazing than people realize. DC just decides to turn this all up to 100 and puts no limits on imagination and creativity. Stay mad y'all 🤣

[@kubobetterrelax7435]

They aren't meant to be OP in nature. They're meant to inspire. You can do anything if you fight hard enough for it

[@Auron1Roxas2]

@@kubobetterrelax7435 They're meant to not have limits. To some that's op.

[@kubobetterrelax7435]

@@Auron1Roxas2 It's because they're symbols. They're limitless in the idea that they can be anything or be as powerful as the story dictates

[@brandoncammon7971]

Imagination in real life doesn't always imply it'll happen, I could wish to be God and throw the milky way like a frisbee

[@Auron1Roxas2]

@@brandoncammon7971 Clown, this is talking about a fictional world, not real life.

[@mel-el5862]

funny ya think DC got more grounded. the last big punch from superman destroyed an entire multiverse 🤣😂😂😂😂

[@hashshashiinme7656]

Exactly 😂

[@DIEFORME173]

@@hashshashiinme7656 lol

[@PunchDrunkENT]

Ridiculous lol 😅😅

[@toddfrench600]

Lmaoo or like when Thor withstood the weight of 20 planets lol. Let's not act like Marvel don't get crazy either with their counsel of Reed Richard's lol

[@mel-el5862]

@@toddfrench600 I mean that's pretty beast but it's nothing compared to shattering the 6th dimension and wrecking a multiverse in a punch.

[@plusmarvel6863]

No more Zatanna wouldn't affect her. Since Zatanna once got wiped by Nigh Omnipotent Being Upsidedown Man (who is equal to Chthnon) USDM wiped her through out existence. But Zatanna returns back as long as Magic exists ; she will prevail and exists.

[@jellyphobia1751]

No more zantanna fuck floptanna

[@teptep5318]

Wanda can manipulate that reality and also wanda xan resurrect says in the vid

[@slowedmusic7554]

@@teptep5318 Then it's she not dead in death battle. But she lost to Zatanna?

[@alucard8568]

well if chthon's already powerful in marvel then he would be even more powerful in DC since chaos magic is more powerful in DC,so now that wanda is an elder god,immortal,and became one with the darkhold then she would be immensely powerful in DC and she can be powerful as the chaos lords in dc or perhaps more powerful than the chaos lords cause chthon's power and his existence is already a cancer to eternity and the chaos wave is just a miniscule to chthon that means he could do better than he chaos wave and what could be more is he pops up in DC,the fight should be in a neutral dimension,the death battle between wanda and zatanna in the video is biased.

[@welp3694]

and wanda is magic resistant

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I'll be honest I knew Wanda was going to lose due to 2 factors that they explain in the vid 1. Wanda's consistent lack of Mental Stability being overwhelmed is a major problem compared to Zatanna having a consistent history of having a cool head during stressful situations. Her House of M incident might be a powerful example of her abilities but its also a prime example of her being unable to control her powers in way that wouldnt damage her allies. By Marvel Standards Zatanna would've been made Sorcerer Supreme way before Wanda Maximoff ever would due to her Mental Stability being league's above Wandas. 2. Zatanna has greater training and a much longer history and range of experience as both a Solo hero and as a Member of the Justice League and JL Dark. Tbh I've always considered her another Female Member whose powers would automatically make her a candidate for League Membership next to Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl.

[@alucard8568]

But did you know that wanda is more powerful now,she can cause multiversal threat now actually and better than house of m or chaos wave,she absorbs chthons power and tied her soul with the the darkhold which is indestructible and she's immortal and if you have read JLA/avengers, when avengers pops up in DC,scarlet witch chaos magic became more powerful and what could be more now that she's an elder god and popping up in DC which makes her even more powerful and dangerous,she could be powerful like the chaos lords.

[@welp3694]

u read wanda’s recent comics she’s completely stable and even powerful enough to swallow a god who said he can destroy a universe with a blink of an eye aka the god of chaos chthon

[@alucard8568]

@@welp3694 yes that's true and he would be even more powerful is he pops up in DC.

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@alucard8568 yes yes yes have read Zatanna if you read one combatants you should read the other otherwise its a bias

[@jayrstar19]

I definitely agree Zatanna is definitely worthy being called on the same caliber as Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman

[@ultralm7250]

The double standard about marvel and dc power scaling is pretty fucking frustrating. Here you have two characters who have nearly the exact same feats and abilities, they’re practically the same character, but these two have done nothing but bitch and moan this entire video about “ugh DC is just so ridiculous.” The only reason why people think DC characters are so absurdly broken is because they actually take the time to SHOW you their power through the story, marvel takes the lazy rout and just goes “why is this character so strong? Well they can just warp reality to whatever they want.”

[@cristianjimenezescobar5361]

DC hero’s are basically Gods trying to be hero’s and Marvel humans trying to be hero’s. 😩😩

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

@@cristianjimenezescobar5361 Marvel heroes are humans? Even the ones that are not human? Hell, even human heroes like Hulk can clap a universe away with ease. What human can do that?

[@piipoovv6267]

Common misunderstanding. Magic isn’t a weakness. Magic is capable of harming supes, he’s vulnerable to it. But kyrptonite his weakness usually takes his powers away or flat out kills him.Shiv can potentially kill him but it has to be like Shazam level magic.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

DC characters are simply better written, stronger and usually smarter than their marvel counterparts.

[@kobedaniels3441]

Looking at some of Zatanna's feats. Also she technically doesn't need to speak backwards to use magic, she's used magic without speaking multiple times, but back to her feats. Like when she defeated Zorr, a time tailor who could control reality and fought the spectre. Their fight was bizzare, with them growing bigger than planets and throwing each other through realities and messing with time. Or when she and other magic users powered up the spectre to match the anti monitor after he had destroyed the multiverse and was becoming an aspect of the presence. Or the when she made up 1/3 the power necessary to freeze time throughout the multiverse. Or when she held off Pralaya, the feminine side of the great evil beast and non existence itself, after Pralaya had destroyed all of creation. And that was from a mental projection of her and constantine she made after she had been erased from existence. It was stated by nightmare nurse that her magical potential was so great that she rarely uses even a fraction of her full power to preserve her normality. She's been stated to be one of the most powerful sorcerers in all dimensions and even the quintessance, a group of 5 cosmic beings that oversee the multiverse, count her as a powerful future ally. Zatanna doesn't often get big flashy displays of power but this is mostly because, as stated by her, when you deal with magic it can be hard to maintain your sense of normality. This is why she holds back a lot of her power. But the very fact that she was able to overcome the upside down man, while in his own magical dimension, is incredibly impressive. The upside down man is the shadow of Hecate, the first being of magic to form from the godsphere during the beginning of everything. Hecate was the most powerful of the gods, they all feared her power. When she looked upon the upside down man she created a barrier between the positive multiverse and trapped him in the dark multiverse. Hecate and the upside down man are practically magic itself and Dr Fate mentioned that the upside down man's magic was potent because it drew directly from the source, aka God basically. This is definitely an outervsal feat, one of a few she's done. When she had chaos magic she actually ripped apart of the comic book panel and destroyed it. This was technically an amp since she was given it by mordru. Plus there are feats they have said that I haven't included in this.

[@Falconwing66]

The thing with DC and Marvel, Marvel’s characters are generally meant to be relatable. Showing heroes dealing with more normal problems and feelings. DC’s heroes are generally meant to be more inspirational. The idea that no matter the odds, or how hopeless things feel, the darkness can be overcome.

[@Falconwing66]

There’s nothing wrong with either philosophy, but one inevitably needs to overcome greater threats.

[@thetruej7872]

That's true

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

Except that Marvel characters sometimes do ridiculous bullshit too. Like Spider-Man making a time machine with a fucking microwave and a blender.

[@Nina-xo555]

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770😂😂😂

[@brandonkukumayeyi6048]

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 bruhhhhh

[@dimitrescu182]

This is perhaps the Death Battle with the biggest destruction, multiple universes were destroyed like nothing. Zatanna looks cute and awesome though while juggling universes.

[@yusifudo46]

Zatanna did once curse Superman to lose his powers for a year, and it was because of that, Superman had to learn how to fight by both Batman and Wonder Woman.

[@D4DeezNutts]

If yall haven't watched it yet watch JL DARK or react to the Zantana fight where she loses control. Yall won't be disappointed!

[@tehjboney4249]

Scarlet Witch and QuickSilver should’ve remained as mutants,because they were more interesting in that regard.Now the demon possessing the vessel of Wanda makes sense with Wanda original powers being Probability Manipulation and PsychoKinesis with the first mutation coming as a byproduct of the genetic tampering of the High Evolutionary and her PsychoKinesis being the result of her mutation.Her magic properties would be taught by Agatha Harkness who would teach her how to use magic to boost her abilities.

[@lovethatforme]

Regarding to the phoenix force, with the help of hope summers (a host of the phoenix) she was able to banish phoenix. She can't kill it. And she went up against cyclops with phoenix, not jean with phoenix. Also chaos magic has no affect on a full phoenix only when it's separated into multiple hosts like the phoenix five. She also doesn't hurt phoenix but rather its host. She's never gone against Jean with the phoenix or as white phoenix of the crown.

[@lovethatforme]

@iHexedYou it’s not. Darkhold Wanda isn’t even nearly as strong as WPOTC. As well the glimpses we see Jean as WPOTC, she was barely getting experience and training and we already saw her hold the universe in her palm and rewrite it. Imagined an experience and exploring her potential. As well the phoenix IS creation and destruction. Life and death. The alpha and omega. Chaos is not its opposite because phoenix is already it’s own opposite. Chaos magic is not more powerful. 1. Chaos magic has no effect in white hot room. 2. Phoenix with Hope summers is the one that undid Wanda’s no more mutants. So far has been Wanda’s greatest feat.

[@lovethatforme]

@iHexedYou it’s not the spark of life. You can go ahead and prove it to me. I didn’t find anything. How did Wanda effect the omniverse? What has she done? WPOTC is superior to her. As well chaos magic has no effect on a full phoenix. As well it’s never been able to hurt the phoenix, only it’s hosts. I’m not gonna go to discord to debate lol. You can drop things here and I’ll take a look.

[@lovethatforme]

@iHexedYou I have nothing that says it reached the white hot room. Can you reference the comic or a link? As well remainder her no more mutants was not 100% effective due to dr strange and Emma frost. Jean surpasses Emma as a telepathic. So phoenix and the white hot room wouldn’t have issue blocking such an attack.

[@WinniePooh33]

Actually Wanda's powers do harm the Phoenix force, never stated host, as stated in the Marvel official handbook

[@lovethatforme]

@@WinniePooh33 Nope, as seen in the comics, once cyclops had all the portions of the phoenix, her powers did nothing to him.

[@ernar8926]

Cry mcu fanboys bruh

[@animeknight5372]

one of dc rules is that no one is over powered if everyone is over powered so pretty much every dc hero is op af for no reason

[@calebgoodman3028]

Yes Constantine ran but it was revealed later in the same movie it was because Zatanna cast a spell on him to make him in order to save him.

[@davidc.]

Zatanna is bad af. Probably the only dc character im down bad for

[@greyambrosia]

a big rumor is that the whole thing about c'thon using her as a vessel might be the plot for the next doctor strange movie thats coming soon.

[@babyfoxpog7977]

I think Wanda (the scarlet witch) could’ve won against zatanna. But like Agatha said “power isn’t your problem, it’s knowledge” so if wanda would’ve known that zatanna could still use magic without sound she probably would’ve used a more effective spell instead of “no more sound”. But this was a really great battle, I would’ve been happy with whoever won. Both of my fav girls ❤️

[@Jnation_346]

“I know she’s a magician fucked Batman at one point” 💀

[@fqirycxrpses]

The thing is Wanda is way stronger, it's just Z knows how to trick someone to her advantage

[@liqqidsurgegaming2970]

The voice actress that is playing Scarlet Witch actually has an accident. I forgot where she is from but that’s her real voice. lol

[@rishavrai99999]

Actually DC only had two re done....but i hate when new comic issue just forget what happened in last comics(that's why i feel like marvel always re write comics)

[@allanteriley6094]

Good reaction but I love how people complain about DC being ridiculous or un grounded. Like alien monkeys people who scream and change hair color makes sense. It's a comic book bro people can do whatever that want with it cuz none of it is real.

[@PunchDrunkENT]

True👍🏽

[@kurtyal3196]

DC characters has at least battled a New god or something godlike once and won lmao

[@JayStorm199]

That's normal for BOTH Marvel & DC Comics.

[@1tsben225]

6:48- 6:58vision dying twice in a movie?! He couldn’t even see it coming🤦‍♂️😂

[@chaosspear0195]

Other than being nexus being for all magic you could say scarlet which is a human mutate like Spiderman which are humans who have had there genes altered but are not technically mutants because there change and power don’t come from a naturally activated X gene. Wanda and Pietro were written as mutants and Magneto’s children originally but after a retcon that was changed and they are not mutants or related to Magneto anymore though Magneto still sees them as his children even if not blood related.

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

In Marvel, it’s possible to have family that is or isn’t mutant. A lot of mutants have regular humans as parents.

[@jffxex1980]

Correction: The Phoenix force hardly shows it's true power. It is the sum of all life that was, is, and will be. The phoenix force that she banished was a VERY small amount of PF yet it took the combined force of Hope and Wanda to drive out a spark. The phoenix force existed at the same time of the first fimament or upon the first firmament's splintering caused by the very first celestials. Upon it's shattering, it created the first multiverse. The multiverse that we know now in is the 8th reincarnation. The phoenix force dispeled Wanda's no more mutants spell via Hope; hence the mutant population lighting up in cerebro. Wanda is indeed a very powerful mutant. The phoenix force at it's full power or perfect unison with Jean Grey has managed to hold the entirety of Marvel 616 in the palm of her hand and rewrote history AND in that, she has managed to hold a fraction of Eternity (Eternity's essence is splintered through out all the multiverse as there is only one Eternity in all marvelverse). Think of Wanda as multiversal and the Phoenix force omniversal. Omniverse is like a bucket that contains the ping pongs that represent other verses of marvel.

[@banettebrochacho5636]

I already got tickets to Jonathan’s funeral

[@mateohere5025]

There’s a Zatanna movie in the works

[@Person70519]

Remember this. DC's Heroes and Villains = Gods walking as men and women. Marvel = Men and women walking as Gods. There is a difference! Only when you get to their cosmic characters do we get more balance between the two. But for most of the fights, not all of course ( Batman can't touch Black Panther lol), Marvel is getting wrecked!

[@tai7952]

Could y’all react to thor vs wonder woman?

[@lumpek4149]

11:00 magic is not weakness of Superman only kryptonite, he is vulnerable to magic same as batman, thor, captain america or iron man, if you dont believe me axe of Steppenwolf is magic weapon and you saw how this magic weapon work on superman literally did nothing to him and 3sec later he destory this magic axe. This is one of oldest lies about superman weakness he have only one weakness and it is kryptonte

[@blkmattymatt]

Toon force? bruh...it's called reality warping. And also DC aren't the only ones who just come out with different powers from generations to generations, Marvel does the exact same thing as well, but at the same time in the old comic DC wasn't trying to improve all there characters powers, it's more like they're giving them more powers that are less...OP if that makes sense.

[@TheWeakest26]

The fact that they made wanda a raging narcissist is mind blowing to me and completely out of character. Wanda has much control, skill, and experience in magic as Z. Scarlet Witch (2015), Avengers: No Road Home (2018), Darkhold: Alpha/Omega (2021), and Trial of Magneto (2021) flexes her magical/mental growth heavy.

[@nothingherezero7182]

The more she taps into her powers the more chaos you know chaos is it not stability it instability meaning yes mental instability and also Zattana is just a Green lantern ring made in flesh no Seriously as long as she believes she probably wins

[@TheWeakest26]

@@nothingherezero7182 chaos isn't stable for anyone but scarlet. There are numerous feats of her using chaos like a toy to accomplish things. For example when the inbetweener split she was able to control the chaotic part of him and merged it with order or when she was able to redirect an attack by controlling the chaos within it. The training she's had using chaos magic is so extensive that she embodies it without losing control.

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

@@nothingherezero7182 I don't think you realise, Wanda has the totality of chaos magic now and is the most stable she has ever been

[@WinniePooh33]

Right, lets bfr these people only read House of M and thats it.

[@WinniePooh33]

​@@nothingherezero7182Where'd you get this from?

[@Dr.Osterman]

The thing with why y'all are salty with wanda losing is because y'all only read marvel comics and watch their movies, y'all dont read enough DC comics and it shows, Zatanna always had kind of power walking around, she doesnt need to flex it lol

[@xzenitramx666]

I love the vías. Tony stark only limit is his imagination. This guys: oh this is COOL marvel rules. Zatanna only limit is his imagination. This guys: oh thats stupid Dc is dumb.

[@mikamori4610]

Power cannot beat magic.

[@ChristopherZeta1999]

Dc has so much power that everyone loses to batman lol. Good fight tho.

[@Terrybogard0]

Here's an easy guide for you guys, Marvel has better Technology, DC has better Magic.

[@davidc.]

Not really. Overall dc is usually displayed to be more high tech and advanced. For example the crossover (which is technically canon) superman comments on its smaller size and less technological advances.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol. no. DC has Amazonian steel which can cut through atoms. Wonder woman also beat Thor and Superman smashed him too. DC is vastly superior in every way. the only place marvel dominates is the cinema

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@iHexedYou False. Zatanna wasted Scarlet witch in death battle and Raven is far more powerful too. Also Doctor Fate wrecked Strange. Marvel is weak

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@iHexedYou Lol. Fate lost to Fate??? Lol. You're either a troll or a an mcu dumbass. You won't be slamming me at all. I can wreck you just by using a few feats, boy! Wanda has an unstable mind so the more unstable she is the weaker she is. Zatanna used that to her advantage and simply spoke in reverse to take her out. Raven can just cast a silence spell and send her packing to say hello to her dad Trigon. Scarlet witch is literally weak AF. So GTFO. That's you done.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@iHexedYou And Doctor Fate is a literal GOD who even survived an entire DC retcon. He'd smash Strange and Wanda in one go.

[@detectivebrown6211]

Funny it's only when it comes to dc do y'all point out how broken chadacters are. And not y'all implying dc copied marvel when zee came before wanda

[@jaygurie]

wanda came before Zatanna

[@detectivebrown6211]

@@jaygurie try again

[@detectivebrown6211]

@iHexedYou no

[@detectivebrown6211]

@iHexedYou no

[@asuraofwrath]

@@detectivebrown6211 hes actully correct wanda first appeared in march 1964 while zatanna first appeared in November of 1964 wanda appearing in x-man number 4 and zatanna in hawkman number 4 which i agree is nothing more then a freaky concidace however zatannas father john released in 1938 in action comics 1

[@cypherion2718]

20:20 Scarlet witch is strong but i dont think she can beat the Bullsht ! Hahaha

[@kongsiavang]

Y’all seem pretty salty that marvel lost to DC. lol

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol. I love watching marvel fanboys cry

[@chasesalii5006]

Their cartoons fam nothing about it is logical thats y its entertaining marvel is just as bs as dc its just dc makes theirs op

[@drakesotelo5133]

The fact that they had to find a character outside of marvel who was could defeat her 😂 says how much and how big of a power she is in the marvel universe

[@jayceon5027]

Anyways congrats to Zatanna 😂

[@mmanzanozr1]

No he can beat Goku, twice actually

[@ahbho8708]

Wanda slam and current Wanda has primordial Chaos,no more Chaos magic,even more powerful than death Battle version,death battle is obviously a DC stan

[@user-cv6to2vn3m]

Honestly I liked this battle but some of their arguments for Wanda losing felt so bad, mainly because they seem to only have shown Wanda´s oldest and most popular feats instead of new ones like holding back the House of Ideas, not only that but the argument that Wanda wouldn´t win because of her mental issues when it´s been made clear that Wanda is no longer like that.

[@kobedaniels3441]

I do agree with you but even so both would be hard to determine on who would win. Both are strong, zatanna got erased from all reality and brought herself back and there is if there is magic then she will still live. There is also with magic in dc as long as she believes she can do it she can so zatanna has endless possibilities plus the fact she can take away people's powers. For Wanda it's exactly what you said. I think a fight between these two would be more a tie then anything. Both sides could just wipe the other out from the beginning if they want to and bring themselves back. How do you defeat two beings that you legit can't kill or keep dead.

[@user-cv6to2vn3m]

@@kobedaniels3441 yeah, honestly I didn´t care all that much about who won, just the arguments.

[@kobedaniels3441]

@iHexedYou it would still come down to the writers in how they want things work. She they both can do whatever they want they can change anything. For example if someone is immortal and they can just change it to where they aren't. Base wise yes scarlet is that but both scarlet and zatanna have the ability as asserting one reality then replacing it with another.

[@jaygurie]

they got WANDA all wrong , the life force is her power , she hasn’t been mentally unstable in like years (10+) and she has so much knowledge on magic they just didn’t use all of what new stuff is out

[@3ldemon160]

You cant really say which verse is the better verse everyone has different opinions on that but Marvel does have the stronger character out of the two TOAA there's no character in DC That could beat TOAA or even Match him in power. DC doesn't have a real supreme boundless being like Marvel does

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Id say uwl is the closest thing DC has to toaa

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

@iHexedYou no lmao uwl isn't really canon but is easily > presence

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

@iHexedYou no 💀 if there are beings above him he's not truly omnipotent. They are not equivalents

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

@iHexedYou LMAO true oblivion cannot be scales above toaa what are you talking about 😭😭

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

@iHexedYou no he can't 💀

[@welp3694]

this battle made no sense they depowered wanda so much… like wanda can’t be split in half and her spell doesn’t work on her

[@drakesotelo5133]

Thank you!!! I’ve been saying this whole time zatanna is a bs character, a one off character, she is a meant to be thrown into stories and make a heel turn in the storyline. No depth in her power that why they don’t bother to make it interesting.

[@vim2339]

Wanda should have won something doesn’t feel right This was about power not who can outsmart the other person this one was wrong. Like they didn’t even Mission the fact that Wanda have her own after life and she can just come back if she die.

[@phoenixwright784]

It actually is mentioned in the post analysis that Wanda has shown or stated to be able to resurrect herself, just that the method is vague and not specific and that Zatanna's ability to erase powers and existence could likely counter it. They're argument is that they both can basically do whatever they want with their magic. Yes, Wanda has shown more of her upper limits and according to some comments, Zatanna's Praya feat or whatever may not be entirely accurate, but they're both high end reality warpers at the end of the day. Really high end. To the point that trying to quantify who's more powerful at manhandling all of reality and by how much is tricky. So they looked at things such as weaknesses and experience which is where they determined Zatanna had a more significant advantage over Wanda. Are they right? I dunno. Sounds pretty fair to me though. Then again, I could be biased as I knew more about Zee going in than I did Wanda

[@phoenixwright784]

@iHexedYou When you get to the point of being a high end reality warper, which both of these characters are, does it really matter if one seems more powerful than the other. Again, DB's argument isn't that Zatanna is more powerful than Wanda. they even admit that Wanda has shown more high end feats. Rather, the argument is "Ok, both these girls can basically do whatever the Hell they want, to the point that quantifying who's more powerful than who is basically pointless. So, how about we look at something like weaknesses instead?" Were they correct in their determination? I dunno, I ain't a comics expert. But I'm pretty sure most people were pretty ok with the results despite potentially being debatable. Granted, that was often probably do partially to bias (Zatanna seems to just be a more fun and likable character than Wanda. Can't blame them there ) but still. And maybe some of Zatanna's feats were "debunkable". I mentioned in my first post that apparently the Praya feat wasn't entirely accurate. Ok. I'm pretty sure Zatanna has still shown herself to be a high end reality warper. Like, again, not an expert on comics, but isn't she supposed to be one of the most powerful magic users in DC?

[@phoenixwright784]

@iHexedYou Again, I ain't making the argument that one reality warper can't be more powerful than the other, and neither is DB. The argument is instead is that when dealing with two characters that can basically do whatever the Hell they want with their powers, Determining who's more powerful than who is nearly impossible to quantify. Also recall, they showed in their research that Dr. Strange was able to temporarily defeat Wanda. That's despite Wanda being significantly more powerful than Strange. They also determined that Strange and if I recall a few other magic users were able to muck up Wanda's most famous upper level magic feat (not her strongest upper level magic feat, mind you, just her most famous. ) I'm pretty sure Zatanna is significantly more powerful than Strange, so... Again, from what I understand stuff like the Praya feat wasn't entirely accurate and I get that. I'm not an expert on comics either so I don't really know just how powerful Zatanna is. However from what little I do know from the comics and what I've seen in the cartoons, I'm pretty sure Zatanna is in fact, a high end reality warper that ranks as one of the most powerful magic users in DC (not most powerful, I'm pretty sure Dr. Fate is more powerful ) and thus, can probably basically do whatever the Hell she wants with her magic. That doesn't mean that she still can't lose, just like Wanda, but there's definitely a reason why they decided to match up Wanda and Zatanna instead of having either of them face some other magic user. If I recall, they originally considered pairing either Zatanna or Wanda against Twilight Sparkle before realizing that that'd be an absurd curb stomp and thus, a terrible idea.

[@jibb-in-mn5571]

zatanna's gimmicky and makes zero sense, thats why mcu is thriving *sips tea* theirs a story behind it from just being human

[@jcaaata7338]

I mean DC just is trash in creativity tbh, thats all it is 😂

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

DC has vastly superior creativity than marvel. marvel just ripped off everything else.

[@jcaaata7338]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 they did take countless templates but they improved on so many characters imo

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@@jcaaata7338 No they didn't. They ripped Nightwing off with Daredevil and Nightwing still kicked his ass in Death battle. The DC versions which are the originals are still vastly more iconic and better written.

[@jcaaata7338]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 nightwing is a great character, I just wish they hadnt tried to copy him 3 times themselves with multiple robins. Daredevil has a movie sooo

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@@jcaaata7338 Lol. Those other Robins are nothing like Nightwing. They're all very unique but Nightwing is by far the most iconic Bat character after the Bat himself And the Daredevil movie was trash.

[@riptied7737]

They Downplayed Wanda so much, They didnt even include her recent feats. Trial of mageneto, Darkhold omega. She is Immortal, She is indestructable, has infinite knowledge and literally absorbed CHTHON

[@nathanpaleafei3564]

They didn’t. They literally said both Zatanna and Wanda are both Omniversal level beings. It’s just Zatanna has gone up and beat beings that scale above Chthon or anyone else Wanda has faced. If she never beat Pralya or Zor. Wanda probably would’ve won.

[@plusmarvel6863]

@@nathanpaleafei3564 Plus Zatanna absorbs the Upside down man which his powers still lingering on her , Doctor Fate Stated that USDM powers is Par with The Source which will Outclassed Chthnon

[@plusmarvel6863]

@@nathanpaleafei3564 Zatanna and Wanda aren't Omniversal Beings.

[@riptied7737]

@@nathanpaleafei3564 bye do yall even know CHTHON?

[@nathanpaleafei3564]

@@riptied7737 Chthon in it’s history doesn’t have any feats that are even comparable to Prylya. Sorry to tell you

[@stephaniejude3122]

Death battle 😂😂😂😂😂 come on zatana is really a joke Scarlett witch would get rid of zatanas mouth before she could say a word 😂😂😂😂

[@moedavis1944]

What would that do? She doesn't need to speak to use her magic or cast a spell and in the crossover Wanda already stated dc universe magic is too strong for her to control

[@antigoku2083]

​@@moedavis1944 Current Wanda is much more skilled than her 1990's version. Zatanna does need to speak in order for her spells to be casted. The cherry on top was in the crossover itself also when Wanda shielded her team from Zatanna's detection. Wanda wins this.

[@BlowingBeauty]

@@antigoku2083 23:50 no that’s just for concentration

[@antigoku2083]

@@BlowingBeauty Then why did she can't do anything and have to cut her mouth to cast spell in Justice League Dark Vol 2 issue 17?