Death Dorito Showdown - Comparing All Four Freewing Deltas

[@Hype_RC]

Thanks for breaking it down for us Jon! This makes it easier not to buy each one and figure it out ourselves. Kudos 👍🏾 for still having fun & continuing your evolution with these jets on KZbin!

[@AllanG1914]

Thanks for a concise 13.5 minute video. With the number of planes, this could have easily been a 20 minute one.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Finding the right balance of time versus explanation is tough. Thanks!

[@AllanG1914]

It is. That's why I had to mention it. You're pacing is good too. Quick but not so quick we can't easily follow. Slow paced videos are the worst.

[@davidgerlach1132]

@@TwoBrosRC We'll never stop having questions, and you do a fantastic job at answering them.

[@BillWaggoner-sk4ci]

Killer vid once again, happy someone actually loves how well the J10 flies

[@flipflopbob]

Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thank YOU!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Great video Jon!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks big B!

[@danflom1271]

Get a 3D printer and thrust vector all the EDF's. The bambu lab A1-Mini has been one of the best hobby purchases I have ever made.

[@nirlachman007]

Sweet video! I can’t agree more with the results, and I’ve got all of them! My absolute favorite is the J-10, look and agility wise - I’ve got both Gray and the new Blue livery! Thanks for this fun video, Delta FTW!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Damn dude, both? That's a lot of money. Can't argue with how good it looks or flies though!

[@nirlachman007]

@@TwoBrosRC yeah you’re right but as my favorite jet I had to get it. This morning I had the maiden flight of the Blue one and it looks so good in person :) of course I did the battery mod which makes it flying a lot better 😉

[@flyingfools47]

ohh PLEASE keep doing videos like this !

[@romieiv]

love your work!!

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

My mirage and gripen still scare the sht outta me… but this video def makes me feel like I made the right choices.

[@jbirdsflyers]

I heard the ace combat 7: skies unknown music in there!

[@andretaskmaster4101]

Keep up the good work

[@stevestonrcguy5393]

Awesome video 👍thanks

[@tonyyimbo]

Gripen sales and j10 sales through the roof after this! i really thought the mirage was better at battery management after your 6 mins flight on the mirage review?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Note that you won't get 6 minutes of flight from pegging the throttle on Mirage, one of the things we mentioned is why none of the jets is S tier in flight time. 😉

[@BoudreauxBoysRc]

Yea rafale looks the best by far i love the way it pops in the air i dont like plain grey jets i love a full paint job..rafale an gripen are my favorite looking doritos by far

[@paulharris1724]

Okay Jon, hear me out... we NEED freewing to do a V2 of the SU35... I only found out last week that it's a discontinued jet, and now I'm too scared to thrash it... if you have one or can get hold of one, PLEASE put it on your channel. Please 🙏

[@m-e-m-e-y]

Oh come on, now I want all of them 😅

[@SONICBOOM-117]

I’ve owned the mirage 3 times. It’s just a speed monkey. Love it. I’ve flown the euro (eps version) and it’s a tetherless kite. Man that Rafale livery gets old quick. Also I appreciate your dedication to providing us with great and informative content. Jon, is it possible to fly the euro with the canards fixed on this version of the ef2000? Just wondering how would it affect the flight characteristics. 🤔

[@TwoBrosRC]

Fixed canards definitely don't help. Look into the Rafale 64mm alpha lock issues.

[@MichelangeloSimoni-r4u]

This new 2023 version of the Freewing Eurofighter comes with basic decals pre-applied, however the tiger decals are UNAPPLIED. This allows our customers to have more freedom to choose their own custom decals if so desired.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Good to know!

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

Also: your Gripen with TV wants to understand the enemy…

[@TwoBrosRC]

Negative. I'm not letting this slide!

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

@@TwoBrosRC poor champ lol

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hey, who wants to bet who goes into solitary? That's what that gambling nutjob would say if he were still here!

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

@@TwoBrosRC you! Solitary! Now!!

[@torbenjensen3336]

👍 wish one off those Jet, do you recommend, as a first jet thanks for good program Torben Denmark

[@TwoBrosRC]

None, they're all jets we'd only recommend with experience.

[@Reptielenfreak]

Great video! A good comparison video is usefull! But wat the hell the eurofighter cant do a loop?😮 To be honest i was expecting the j10 and eurofighter at the same score but guess the j10 beats the eurofighter by a bit

[@TwoBrosRC]

Eurofighter can loop, what it can't do is backflip. Full elevator results in a "∩" rather than a very tight loop like what you can get out of the J-10 or Gripen with thrust vectoring.

[@BenjamminSticks88]

The Gripen does a steep high alpha all day without Thrust Vectoring. Granted the mods you've made and the vectoring amplifies that, I'm sure, it doesn't need it. Throw the battery back as far as it can go, put the canards on a mix with ailerons and elevator and I promise that thing will drag the tail on the runway as long as you want it to, without a gyro. Not hating, just saying it can be done with a lot of practice and a bottle of CA 😂

[@TwoBrosRC]

Gripen (sans TV) can only sustain about 15 to 25 degrees of alpha without climbing before it loses lateral stability and departs controlled flight. The vertical stabilizer is small compared to other deltas, so its effective range of slow, high AoA flight is nothing like the rest of these aircraft. Sure, you can drag the nozzle on the ground, but any of these jets can too. Where Gripen with gyro-stabilized TV factors in is that you can fly 60 to 80 degree sustained high alpha passes without departure from controlled flight. Hence why the stock non-TV version got a D.

[@BenjamminSticks88]

@@TwoBrosRC I'll admit it all day that the gyro helps a ton! My F-16, J-10 and BVM Bandit all have shown improvements in slow flight characteristics. The thrust vectoring obviously gets the angle up to that 60-70 degree realm, but it will do 40 degrees no problem, starting to get wonky and depart to the right usually when it hits 45 to 50 degrees. Not worth arguing about, though. Love the content and you've taught me a lot about AS3X and how beneficial it can be.

[@davidgerlach1132]

As for visibility, I like to know your opinion on tracking. Do you think the PLAAF J-10A "Blue/White" will blend and disappear in the sky more so than the PLAAF J-10A GREY?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Depends on your eyesight and how good you are at tracking airplanes based on their profile. We look at the vertical stabilizer to orient the airframe, not the color of the plane itself.

[@davidgerlach1132]

@@TwoBrosRC Excellent. Military grey, and hawkeyed on the stab.

[@romieiv]

I would like to see this done with a somewhat scale CG, just my thoughts..

[@TwoBrosRC]

All of these jets are being flown on unstable CGs, which is basically where they balance in full scale.

[@noobiekush]

All natural j10 all day

[@NGAGEFPV]

Just wondering why the rafale isnt listed here?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It is, in the D tier for having a Spirit Airlines tiger meet livery. The title and vid mentions we're comparing *Freewing* deltas, not FMS. 😉

[@NGAGEFPV]

@@TwoBrosRC Oh my bad dude! yeah that livery sucks ass! Out of curiosity Are we still classing the larger Rafale as a kickass High alpha machine?

[@bohan9957]

The problem with the Gripen is it starts at $439 for an 80mm jet. By the time you add TV upgrade ($75) it is approaching 90mm price range. The best way is to find someone at the club who bought it new then got fed up with the mediocre factory performance, and sell it for cheap. That's how I got mine.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's rather pricey for sure, but with mods it's also the best flying Freewing jet currently sold!

[@romieiv]

did you use standard or HV packs?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Always HV, generally

[@D430-q9u]

😅Love your videos, but every time you say Gripen, it reminds me of Giada De Laurentiis trying to say spigeeeteh with a fake Italian accent in the middle of her regular American accent instead of just saying spaghetti.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's purposeful. Makes people comment. 😉 But also definitely not gonna call the fighter jet of our people "grippin". That ain't it 😂

[@D430-q9u]

@@TwoBrosRC haha. Just giving you a hard time.

[@charlesrestivo870]

Great flying Are your

[@charlesrestivo870]

I meant are your setups available for download Sorry for cutoff message .

[@rcbuddy2240]

What gyro is in the gripen

[@TwoBrosRC]

AR10360T receiver: bit.ly/3SuAlPv

[@romieiv]

you should offer a service to modify the planes, I am sure many, including myself, would be happy to pay!

[@TwoBrosRC]

No time for that, and it would be stupid expensive to ship them back and forth for both parties involved.

[@PropellerPixMN]

I think you play Helldivers…

[@TwoBrosRC]

What makes you say that?

[@LeifBridges]

arent you forgetting the rafale ?!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Rafale isn't a Freewing death dorito.

[@LeifBridges]

@@TwoBrosRC thats understandable; though, i still feel it would have been a fitting inclusion to this showdown!

[@kshaw8494]

Great channel but please just say gripen in a normal American accent.. My eye twitches every time you say it like you’ve just stepped out of your IKEA sauna,otherwise please keep consistency and pronounce every other jet in there regional accent, Typhoon can be in your best British voice, the J10 could get you into a bit of bother 😂.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Naw, it makes you guys comment and drives up engagement! Gripen is the fighter jet of Jon's people.

[@Hughejazshole]

Love you man but please just say “gripen”

[@TwoBrosRC]

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[@deserting8710]

I thought this was a video about war thunder lol

[@TwoBrosRC]

No Tar Whunder on this channel, no sir.

[@romieiv]

I own them all, except the J-10, I just cant bring myself to buy a Chinese model..

[@TwoBrosRC]

Why? All of these jets are made in China. Seems like you're missing out arbitrarily lol

[@lonezombieheart7808]

No F16? Bruhh

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's not a pure delta. 😉

[@mfauzanprawiraarya8541]

f16 isn’t a delta wing

[@lonezombieheart7808]

@@mfauzanprawiraarya8541 f16 didn't know that and fly like an Delta.

[@AllanG1914]

Quasi-delta like the F22. I believe Deltas don't have horizontal stabalators.

[@ALonelyCorsair]

Any fighters i can use as a first jet? Got an as3x in Love the vid by the way, gonna get a death dorito one day...

[@TwoBrosRC]

None of these jets would make a good first jet in our opinion. They're either expensive (J-10, Eurofighter, Gripen) or they're heavily wing loaded and harder to fly (Mirage) - the Habu 70mm is a solid beginner's intro to jets: alnk.to/4Xw3157 Hop on Discord and we can help give you advice on how to approach your first jet flight with it! bit.ly/TBRCDiscord

[@benni87248]

@@ALonelyCorsair freewing hawk t1 trainer and light attack plane, i have one and i flies like on rails