Death No Longer Exists

If Adam brought in physical death and Jesus reversed that curse, why do all people still physically die? In this video we prove that Jesus saved us from the 'spiritual and/or covenantal death' so that no one ever dies. #universalism #preterism #apokatastasis

[@claressa98]

I've been on a journey for truth for years. My mind and my heart have been in conflict for a long time. I was raised in a Baptist church and although I do believe Christians mean well, they just don't have it quite right. The way you teach has me in awe. I could listen to you 24/7. The way you parallel and match scripture with scripture is phenomenal! I've never heard anyone teach like you. I am now on a new journey. If what you teach is true and I'm starting to believe it is just from my own research, then how liberating this new journey will be. For years I've been wracking my brain trying for figure it all out because of so many errors and contradictions these denominations refuse to address for people like me who have questions. Your theory or theology totally clears the air and I can see. Thanks for all you do and I hope you will continue to. You have helped me immensely.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for sharing this testimony! Your message has warmed my heart and is such a great encouragement to me. I consider Your words a wonderful gift. Thank You again!

[@lauraestes9304]

True … same w me

[@lanemiller1353]

I'll 3rd that.❤

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@ShadeStoneMusicbeen listening to a lot of John Crowder, Perfected by blood, Don Keithly. I think you will thoroughly enjoy Perfected by blood (seems to be the least well known) especially their walk through the book of revelation.

[@kylearmstrong1188]

@@ShadeStoneMusici feel the same exact way Shade! God bless you brother 🙏. So much i could not reconcile with. you have brought so much clarity to the scripture for me

[@mowman7777]

You’ve really opened my spiritual eyes. Thanks.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words!

[@loleki737]

This message is such a blessing! I believe most of Christianity is waiting for physical death to be done away. It brings so much together in scripture. Grace and peace, Brother.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words! Yes...I think that most of Christianity is 'waiting' for physical death and many other 'physical' things. Maybe this is a position that 'Christians' need to reconsider. Thanks again Sister!

[@careylou]

Spirit and Truth 🎉

[@andreastarks2780]

A most beautiful gospel teaching. Thank you !

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I greatly appreciate Your kind words! Thank You so much.

[@deanfloyd8931]

As I listen the second time, it hit me, evidently Christ leveled the playing field for all, yet the new birth is conspicuously missing from this particular topic.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I love this comment! It moves us to really think about the 'new birth'. Thank You Brother Dean!

[@villakepuhwarungnongkrong297]

This has been one of my favorites of this series so far! It really makes so much sense! And I was always so confused about the sabbath! Because many other Christians will chastise anyone who went to church on a Sunday instead of a Saturday or had to work on the sabbath etc. I always felt like I was doing something wrong and I am so new to Christianity. God bless 🙏🏽

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for sharing this. I'm always encouraged when people find something helpful in the video presentations!

[@fulfilled70AD]

Excellent!!!!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You!

[@daviator4720]

Case proven .... Thank you Brother Shade for your inspired teaching !

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Dave! I always appreciate Your encouragement.

[@trevino37]

Appreciation Comment: You have no idea how much your intro and getting to the point means to me. It so appreciated that you begin with the end point and develop after, as an attention grabber. I have found myself fast forwarding and asking "what is the point?" on too many fluff videos. Your intro is a awesome. Thank you

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for the kind words and encouraging message! 💌

[@jothamdiaz260]

Ive watched many of your videos but this one really blew me away. I pray that after more time, ill be able to teach the bible that way you have taught me.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for the encouraging words!

[@craigtaylor5378]

I know you get a pile of hate and labels from the mainstream “ Christian’s”, don’t let it bother you. Your lighting up the darkness they are lost in and deceived in and doing it with such grace. Grew up in it myself and spent years lost in the same misunderstandings of scripture. Keep up the great work brother.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I can't Thank You enough for this kind & encouraging message Brother! I greatly appreciate it.

[@craigtaylor5378]

@@ShadeStoneMusic much love brother, greatly appreciate you, far more then you’ll ever know. May Gods spirit continue to lead and bless you and his love fill your cup till it overflows. Peace and blessings in his name.

[@veic]

Also try to think a bit more outside the box (although your ootb skils are already impressive)... but considering all the lies of this world, do you really think this is the year 2024? (just something to think about) Considering the rapture already passed and thousand year reign also passed, and considering we only have 200 years of somewhat clear history, I'd say we're somewhere in 1200 or 1300s right now)... the so called "little season"

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@veic Thank You for sharing Bro! I occasionally will say in my videos: 'Assuming our chronology is accurate'. I say that because (as You clearly already know)...some folks in the 'little season' position bring forth some evidence that the numbers 'could be off'. I am subbed to some who have suggested channels and I've enjoyed their work. Thanks again Bro!

[@veic]

@@ShadeStoneMusic awesome, I'm just trying to see how much do you know... next... are you aware of the shape of this place?

[@kellyblakeborough3371]

So I have listened to 3 of your videos now and I agree with 99 percent of what you are saying to people out there . We think the same way in scripture. Keep doing what you are doing because this is a good way to spread this message of truth . People out there are confused about the message of christ

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! And yes...there is much confusion. I'm thinking that one of the reasons for the confusion is because the 'good news' is often preached as 'bad news'. And by the way, the 99% is an awesome compliment! Thank You for that.

[@deanfloyd8931]

As a gentile, I am not under the mosaic law. Yet I was legally bound to Adam as my federal head....but no longer Thank you for all your insights.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this comment Brother Dean!

[@ronmalley]

Amazing mind-blowing truth revealed today

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Glad you liked this one Brother!

[@cliveblacksheep2522]

Excellent presentation thanks for sharing, this has been my opinion for some time, the scripture’s are clear in many regards, praise Jesus, peace and victory be with you ❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You and Peace be upon You as well!

[@lannette2827]

Awesome job ! You explained that so clearly!❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You. I appreciate the kindness!

[@kennethm.johnson]

Most excellent lesson! Thanks!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother!

[@byrondcarroll]

You can't be guilty of speeding on the German autobahn.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is indeed correct! Thank You for sharing this analogy.

[@gahngyea]

Thank You Shade, this is really good. I have been struggling with this for years. As a Pentecostal I was just like those under the old Mosaic law. I have been saved for 50 years and for the first few years I was doing well. I was living under love but somewhere I was sidetracked. Your message is a great liberator.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the encouraging message! I greatly appreciate Your testimony and kind words.

[@frankfebus7565]

Jesus died for the covenant world and whomsoever wanted to make a covenant through water and Spirit. As Peter said, "for the promise is unto you, your children to them that are far off as many as the Lord our God shall call. " not all are called not all are chosen. He came unto his own "Jews) and his own received him not. For as many as received him to them gave he power to be the sons of God.

[@jamescarter3883]

This subject is divisive. Jesus said much more about the law to a rich young man (in Matt, Mark) he also said "If you love me obey my commandments. The primary church fathers including Paul and the rest of the disciples kept the Sabbath and the feasts. It wasn't until the tertiary church fathers that they banned the 7th day Sabbath, the feasts, and applied a tax to those who followed it, then ex-communicated the bishops that kept it. All I'm saying here is that demonizing the eternal commandments frightens me. I know not one single person who has kept the law in their heart like Jesus taught when he magnified it unto the THOUGHT LIFE of his audience. I love Paul but get nervous when I read his wonderful diatribe of grace. He conveniently leaves me confused, but when I read Psalm 119 I see that there is much wisdom to be had as if studying Gods law is like looking at the heart of the father. You asked in you teaching the question "How does keeping the Sabbath help you love others?"(I'm I sure thats a paraphrase) But I just obey that appointment out of love for the Father. (I don't think it hurts anyone.) It's funny how it's perfectly okay for people to set apart a day, any day, but if you pick the seventh day, you get called a Judaizer. Jesus did good on the Sabbath, which is lawful, it was the added pharisaical laws that he attacked, heaping burdens on people that they could not bare. Just like many modern religious memberships. They turned God's law and temple into a giant multi-level marketing scheme for filthy lucer. Walking around like rock-stars full of pride, while widows went hungry etc.. I'm not under Gods law HaleluYah, but I love the heart of it and it is precious to me. I see the father in it, and meditate on it as well as you. There is much wisdom in the 613 that are tirsheairy to the 10 and secondary to the 2. Many of which don't make sense post resurrection, but they show something of the metaphysical aspect of the temple and behavior of a set apart people that repeatedly fell into trouble, but by the grace of God, successfully carried the seed of the promised Messiah. Not trying to start a greasy grace fight here. Just sharing a view with a fellow brother. There is a very high probability that I have a totally misplaced affection for the pure logic and perfection of the decologue. I'm 66 years old, so it will be likely be over soon for me. I'm so glad to find you channel and love the Revelation to Gospel symbolic connections. Outstanding IMHO. Shalom To You 70x7!!!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@jamescarter3883 ...Thank You for sharing! I especially enjoyed Your intro; 'this subject is divisive'...I immediately thought...that is true...that said...it appears to me that almost every topic is divisive! LOL Thanks again Bro!

[@seancrippen2167]

Consider that Paul says even those without the law are a law unto themselves. It seems to me that Jesus fulfilled the law, and those who are in Christ have fulfilled the law throu his righteousness, but those outside of Christ are still judged. That's why it says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Those who do not believe are condemned already because they have not believed.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing your point of view. That said, I would suggest that 'being in Christ' is not simply 'believing in Christ'. 1st John 2:6 explains what 'being in Christ actually is': He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Lots of folks claim they 'believe' but don't walk they way Christ walked... John further explains in verse 9: He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. Plenty of people claim they 'believe' but are in huge amounts of darkness... And John further explains in verse 10: He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 'Abiding in the light' is 'loving Your Brother'... Not simply making a 'belief statement'. And even Apostle Paul says in Romans 13:8 - for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. If someone is not loving their Brother...They are not 'in Christ'. All will appear before the judgment seat of Christ. That includes You and Me. Paul said so in 2nd Corinthians 5:10. Thanks again for sharing!

[@wegoall9188]

I've never seen this explanation. But you are so right. Now please do by His stripes we were healed. Which i believe is also spiritual. Thanks🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! Great suggestion as well. No pressure...but I would love to hear what your thoughts are on 'by His stripes we were healed'. Only if you feel comfortable to share.

[@gregmahler9506]

Amen!!! Originally, before I came to accept Full Preterism, many of these things you present here were precursors to the transition. Once I realized that the Atonement was universal (not just theoretically but actually) and that peace was made with all things ( not just some things) through the Cross, it really seemed to me that a grandiose change took place in AD30 with respect to God and humanity. Another big passage for me was Hebrews 9:15, where it seems to me to be teaching that the Atonement was only about the sins committed under the Old Covenant. But this means that with respect to you and I (who have 0 sins recorded in the OC), the Atonement wasn't about Sin. Rather we were born into the New Covenant with a clean slate, with the law of Moses 1900+ years removed from the world. This is drastic implications on all of our theology (that no one teaches in church) and just so happened to fit perfectly with Full Preterism. Thanks for this wonderful video!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

And Thank You Brother for this encouraging message! Scriptures like Galatians 4:4-5 are being skipped over as well. God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law... What does that mean for us then? My suggestion is: Good News! Thanks Again Brother.

[@siyamckeys5978]

I wish all Christians can watch this teaching. Many of them are lost.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words. I hope many see this video as well. Grace & Peace.

[@aletheiaquest]

Great content. Your videos have such a comforting feel to them. In this video, you mentioned the Sabbath. Do you have any videos/content specifically regarding the Sabbath?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words of encouragement! I don't have any videos on the Sabbath as of yet; Hopefully, I can fit that in as we move forward. Thanks again!

[@donstone9054]

Shade I am still going thru all your stuff, so thank U for all i have learned from U and 4 making me dig deep on some of these subjects. First, I assume that U R saying here that everyone will B judged on how they feel and what they do and no one goes to the everlasting lake of fire. If that is the case I disagree . If so why do we read, study , preach and why should we care other than gaining a better status in heaven ? I will wait to hear from U B4 I continue . Thx.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great questions. So first, The scriptures say all will be judged 'according to their works', not 'how they feel'. Also, I would not assume that everyone gets 'heaven' as in 'living next door to Jesus and Peter'. The Scriptures speak of many heavens and locations outside as well. And when we say 'status' in heaven...Do you not want a 'better position'? 1st Corinthians 3 speaks of 'rewards'; what are the 'rewards for'? Why do the lousy works get burned off? Why do the apostles tell us to do 'good works' if there is no point to those works if it's a communist heaven? What does it mean to 'reap what you sow'? I have a video called 'The Lake of Fire Ended in 70AD'...it may help in understanding why I don't see the lake of fire as an obliteration/torture chamber. In Luke 6:35 Jesus says that God is kind to the evil and the unthankful. How do we reconcile that with a torture/death chamber? Some things to consider.

[@ew827805]

Shade, thank you for your message, the way you explain the scriptures, parallel and match scripture with scripture. I have a question for you. Do you think we should use some of the Law of sin and death (the 10 commandments), “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness, “You shall not covet,” to bring the knowledge of sin, before we preach the gospel of grace message to people?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words! Excellent question by the way. This is that point where I would suggest that all should go by how the spirit leads them. There may be times where You may be moved to lead with the Law of 'love others as yourself'...Which you clearly listed above, and is listed in Romans 13:8-10. Other times, we may be moved to focus on God's grace sensing that it is God's grace that will move people to love others as themselves. The Spirit moved Philip to speak to the Ethiopian in Acts Chapter 8; He followed that lead and the results were fantastic. I can't help but think the same can happen if we imitate that example.

[@imjennyonmyblock1755]

Amen, my brother!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

💌💌

[@boastonlyinthecross]

Jesus IS our Sabbath rest so it goes without saying that believers “keep the sabbath” because “keeping the sabbath” is no longer people ceasing work on a physical 7th 24 hour span of time but instead is NOW ultimately FULFILLED or KEPT by possessing Faith in Jesus. He is Sabbath ❤️ The physical 7th day was just a type pointing to the “Finished Work” aka “no more work needed” aka REST/SABBATH of The Perfect (7) Son. ❤️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this! I agree and greatly appreciate this commentary.

[@JK-zl7vv]

I have some relatives which are calvinist, and it was my belief that when Christ died on the cross, he changed the laws, so that not only the elect, but everyone can now be saved if they so choose to love the Lord God with all of their heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself, and the calvinist relatives tell me I'm wrong, so now I'm going to show them these scriptures you brought forward, and hopefully I can convince them that calvinism died on the cross, and Christ died for every person, and everyone will stand before the great judgement seat of Christ, for thier life review, and to be given thier rewards and punishments. 😎👍🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

This is amazing! Thank You for sharing this with me. I often tell Calvinists that God now has 'elects and judges' everyone through Christ!! Now that is good news. Thanks again!

[@kelliea5729]

Adam was always going to have a physical death - dust to dust - you are right Shade, it is all about spiritual death, which was defeated when Christ put Satan under his feet...

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! It really does appear that way to me.

[@YeshuaReigns2]

It's cool to see how this topic is expanding into other interesting fields. Here's another question. What's the purpose of creating flesh & blood humans & animals, trees, vegetation, water life, all with an intricate beauty if its own...what's the reason if ultimately all humans will be spiritual in nature & bodily makeup? Is earth a parenthetical interlude or is there an eternal purpose for it? When unbelievers die are they immediately resurrected into a spiritual body albeit with a lesser glory than believers? Are they serving out their judgement somewhere in the celestial realm? Is the earth eventually gonna be phased out or will it remain this dark place of evil & misery forever? How would that jive with God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven? It looks like the answers come with more questions. A real rabbit hole. Certainly a lot to keep busy with for us truthseekers.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I love this Bro! And as I have had the opportunity to read about the early century interpreters; these are the questions they would put on the table and discuss without the dogmatic aggression and constant threats of 'banning' or being labeled nasty names like 'heretic' or 'false brother' etc... This is 'free thinking Christianity'; A wonderful way to contemplate the mysteries!

[@Charles-mv7sv]

1) "all things have been created through him and for him." Everything God created was for Jesus. 2) "and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus," Our spirit is already resurrected and in heaven with Jesus. 3) "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." God has good works for us to do on earth.

[@vanrentz5093]

Hello Shade….enjoying your teaching. Question for you. Do you think the Christians who lived right after AD70 would be preterists? I can’t find anything about preterism in that early time. If they lived through all of the end time teachings about Christs return, you would think they would tell people the Bible has been fulfilled. What say you?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

This is a good and reasonable observation. Best as I know, the earliest church father writings we have was from Clement; and interestingly enough, he was a 'Christian Universalist'. I haven't studied his work much, but in my general knowledge, he didn't speak much of the return of Christ. He focused a lot on brotherly love. Much like the apostle John in his epistles. I would also add one thing as well...and I don't want this to come off as pompous. I respect the early believers. That said...we do have 2000 years of hindsight that they simply didn't have. So, isn't it possible that they had the eschatology wrong? There are lots of things that the early church did, that we clearly don't do anymore. There are things that the early church believed, that today's church no longer believes. The Protestants clearly demonstrated this in the time of the 'reformation'. They broke away from many of the original Catholic Church traditions and operations and teachings. So maybe this is just another subject that needs to be reviewed and re-examined.

[@vanrentz5093]

Thank you for your response. That question just came into my mind right out of the blue. I know in my heart it’s important to get this right, but I believe even more in the message of love. Thank you for making that a priority in your teachings . I look forward to more teachings Shade , Thank you

[@israel_connection]

Nice job!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You!

[@princess11333]

So what do you think about people who have a near death experience and go to what they describe as hell, and not to paradise? Any thoughts on that?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It's hard to say...There are so many different testimonies from different walks of life...I can't say that I see any consistent message. That said, I do wonder if it's people's own conscience that is making them feel a 'tormenting experience'. Much like the Rich Man in the parable. We should also note that, the folks that have this experience, do 'get out'...I'm not saying this in any snarky tone; ultimately, if they truly 'deserved hell' then why the second chance? Who let them out? Who gave them mercy? So they don't end up staying there. Interestingly enough...they come back here. There is something to think about!

[@YeshuaReigns2]

Beautifully done. I do however have a question. God told Adam he would die if he disobeyed. Now if Adam had been obedient, would he have still died physically? If so, what was the point of creating him in the first place? Now Christ is the second Adam. He succeeded where Adam failed. Christ was obedient. But He had to physically die as a sacrifice to pay for Adam's sin for which Adam's death was spiritual only? I'm kinda confused here. Could it be that Adam's death was both spiritual & later on physical? Christ lost His physical life but never did He spiritually die. Adam suffered both deaths. I'm trying to make sense of this. Here's what I've been understanding...and maybe I've been wrong. I'm thinking that if Adam didn't disobey, he would have neither died spiritually nor physically. But as we all know, that's not how the story played out. The way I have been understanding it is that because of Adam's sin, he was sentenced to mortality and thus everyone else came into this world as mortals. Meaning we are physically dying till the day its consummated. Being mortal we are weak. We can't help but sin in this condition ... without God intervening as He did in sending His Son & granting His Spirit. So in Adam's fallen mortal nature we die. But in Christ being infused with His nature we live. And ultimately not in a flesh & blood type of body but a spiritual but nevertheless real body as well. Another interesting topic. Thanks bro!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Question and Insight Bro! The Physical Death is something I am still wrestling with as well; was that death ordained from the beginning since everything had it's own seed to reproduce from the beginning? Or was the physical death also a result of the disobedience? If so, why did Adam continue to live physically? He didn't die immediately physically; that took quite some time; that we no for sure; but the covenantal death we know happened immediately. More great material to ponder and consider! Thanks again Bro!

[@ChristCenteredEschatology]

I we need to consider that fact there was a tree of life. If Adam was immortal the why was there a tree of life? When he God removed Adam from the garden he said he put him out of the so that he would not eat of the tree of life and live forever. It seems that Adam had not eaten from the tree. Other wise he would have lived forever. I wonder if the tree was metamorphic for being in the presence of God. In the new Jerusalem there is a tree of life again. I don’t have this all figured out myself, but I do believe death was a part of the original creation. Adam was created outside the garden and placed in the garden. I think that maybe Adam would have died biological, but would have never been separated from God. Clearly Christ didn’t die to overcome biological death. Just some thoughts.

[@YeshuaReigns2]

@ChristCenteredEschatology Good thoughts bro. Adam created outside of the garden. Where there was no tree of life that could keep one alive forever. Great observation. Looks like other ppl lived outside of the garden. Adam had a special job. He sinned. He then was kicked out of the garden. Could be that Adam wasn't the 1st human created but a special creation with a specific job which he failed to do but which Christ came and fixed. Is there another bullet hole fired into the orthodox box?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@ChristCenteredEschatology ...Great thoughts indeed! Thank You for sharing this commentary. Extremely helpful. Thank You!

[@ChristCenteredEschatology]

@@YeshuaReigns2 I think it is likely that there were other people outside the garden. Perhaps that is who the serpent was. If you look at the word translated Satan in the OT, it seems as if it never refers to an evil spiritual being and God never warned anyone a spiritual evil being that was out to get them.

[@June-y7w]

Thank U for your teachings as much of it does seem to resonate with me. However I do not attend any churches now as I have been hurt by Christians more than by unbelievers however I feel that the majority of the human race are so wretched & self absorbed that I have withdrawn from society now so it's really hard to show any love or compassion as I have put myself into a force field. I spent nearly 50 years trying to please people so hopefully I won't be judged for the hermit years after all hopefully God is aware of the emotional & mental pain we endure at the hands of others. I was hoping for a rapture but of course that won't happen till death now so that's another disappointment! Kind regards & please keep teaching!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this testimony! I don't attend any Sunday Buildings either. They simply don't follow the greatest commandment in my area. Many seem to have this experience. Indeed, sometimes we have to retreat. I recall several Scriptures where it appears that Jesus goes to be by Himself. Makes total sense to me! I also recall this Scripture: 'For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.' That is Hebrews 4:15-16. I can't help but believe that Our merciful High Priest understands fully. Thank You again!

[@June-y7w]

Thank U. I did not expect to get a reply then I just realized you reply to all I am amazed! Subscribed now & you have reawakened my desire to read scripture for which I am grateful. I need to catch up on your other messages as I have not long discovered you on KZbin something been hiding you from me! Still better late than never I have been looking for the rapture since I was 11 years old!😂

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@June-y7w ...Welcome to the Channel!! I do try to reply to all...to the best of my ability...sometimes, messages get 'lost in the youtube abyss'...but most of them get posted and I can usually get to a lot of them. I look forward to hearing from You again. Thank You for Your kind words and encouragement.

[@Stan-l4j3n]

God does not remember our sins when we receive Him, so that we will not be judged. I wander if it means that even though we appear before the judgment seat of Christ we will not be judged. I'm trying to put the pieces together, Shade.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Nothing wrong with searching and seeking! Keep up the good work. That said...2nd Corinthians 5:10 says: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. See that... One "receives" the things done..."according" to what one does...good or bad...That (in my opinion) looks like an actual judgment...it doesn't look like one just strolls past the judgment seat; something to consider. Keep searching!

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

Do unbelievers stand before the judgement seat of Christ? Wasn't Paul talking to believers?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the comment! I know this is what typically is taught. That said, When I read the text, I don't see that in the picture. Colossians 3:25 - 'But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.' That last line makes it clear that God doesn't show favoritism. That would make God discriminatory. Both the just and unjust were resurrected. I see no reason why that would change. Something to consider. Thanks again!

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Yes, some to life others to the second death. I'm thinking unbelievers have no need to stand in judgement before God. Who was Paul's audience?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Bradleymarlin-e7w ...1st Corinthians 15:22 says: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. I would suggest that if 'all' are made alive; then 'all will stand before the judgement seat. I think that is why it is both 'just and unjust' that you are seeing in the resurrection. I know that Paul is writing to 'a church'; but that doesn't mean that every message doesn't apply to everyone. He says 'all' will be made alive. Also, Acts 17:31 Luke writes what Paul says to the folks in Athens; that God will 'judge the world' and gave 'assurance to all'... The Book of Acts was a letter written to Theophilus to let him know what the apostles were saying to everyone. Something to consider.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Food for thought. Will keep searching the scriptures. Thanks for sharing.

[@davidpena9513]

And the curse was to “return to the dust” not die some Manichaean “spiritual” death. “And he died” “And he died” “…and he died” Over and over says Genesis, right after the curse. NOT, “sometime after already being dead in the spirit, his fleshly tabernacle began to decompose.”

[@Stan-l4j3n]

I have been wandering if "all" means those under the old covenant, who ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, whether they were the ones wo would be judged at the Parousia.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is fair. Something to ponder for sure. That said, we would also have to wonder about how the the strength of sin was the 'law'...and if that is the 'law of Moses'...and if that is gone...then that 'sting of death'...is gone as well.

[@JG-xw5rs]

Ive read the story of Adam was allegory right on down to Noah and Moses .Have you heard this ?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes. It is true. Early interpreters caught on to Paul's 'allegorical' understanding of Scripture. (Galatians 4 for example); So many of them saw much of the Old Testament Scriptures with some basic literal truth but a deeper allegorical communication underneath that was the main intent. Many still see it that way. I lean towards it myself. Essentially a dual layered understanding of Scriptures. A 'keep it simple/literal' understanding on the surface, but an allegorical interpretation that puts Christ at the center of the writings so that when Christ came, the 'mystery' of Scripture would be revealed.

[@JG-xw5rs]

@ShadeStoneMusic Yes, I've also read that Jesus represents the sun and the disciples the 12 constellations. It's all dealing with the zodiac all thru scripture. Have you heard of this ?

[@tea.and.bushwalks]

Hello brother, I have a question and one I've been wrestling with for some time. If sin is not imputed where there is no law and the law of Moses didn’t come until much later in the story, how do we reconcile it with the fact that death reigned from Adam to Moses. If individuals before the Mossic law were never under the law, had no sins imputed to them and by implication were never subject to the sting of death (which is the law), shouldn't they be free from said spiritual death, for where there's no law there's no transgression. Following this train of thought what about those gentiles who were never under the law, which is pretty much everyone else apart from the nation of Israel - were they never spiritually dead, for without the law there is no revival of sin and by implication they should've still been spiritually alive. But if spiritual death reigned even before the law, was the law necessary so it would show us the futility of our fallen flesh and dead nature but in itself didn't actually cause spiritual death, idea which in itself contradicts pretty much all the law relating verses 😂 Upon thinking about this further I supposed that perhaps sin is like a contagion, which put to death our very spiritual essence and through Adam spread to all but even so how could then Christ die for the sins of those who technically never committed them, as those prior to the coming of Mossic law. And here I fall back into the viciously confused loop cycle, help 😂

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Excellent commentary! Very challenging indeed. I would suggest that there was a 'covenant' broken with Adam. So Yes, Spiritual death started and reigned because of the broken covenant with Adam; the law of Moses could not reverse that Spiritual death and therefore that Spiritual death simply continued from Adam to Moses. But the imputation of sin did not begin until Moses/The Law. So in short...Spiritual Death from Adam to Moses; ended at Moses; No more Spiritual death; But the imputation of sin started at Moses. Imputation of sin did not end. However, since Jesus fulfilled the Law & Prophets ushering in the New Covenant the imputation of sin is according to the Law of Christ (not the law of Moses) which is of course, the law of love.

[@tea.and.bushwalks]

​@@ShadeStoneMusic ​Thank you for your response Shade. I suppose we could look at it as an hourglass working, with a wider scope we can see that all were spiritually fallen from the time of Adam but didn't really know or understood that fact. Narrowing it down a bit God then chooses a nation for himself to whom through Moses He gives the law, which shows Israel (and now us) just how dire their spiritual situation was and that they truly were in a place of separation from their Heavenly Father. Further still, that funnel point finds it's culmination in Christ Jesus, who fulfilling the law - which even though given on the tablets of stone specifically to Israel was in a broader sense spiritual and hence universal - makes us alive in Him and through His sacrificial death pushes us through that narrow hourglass point of separation right out into the greater space of relational union with God. Which I suppose accounts for that whole predestination debacle - some groups and peoples were chosen for certain purposes with an ultimate goal of blessing ALL in Christ 😄

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@tea.and.bushwalks This Commentary was an absolute joy to read. You certainly blessed me this morning. Very well said good Sister!

[@davidpena9513]

The Then the resurrection is for nothing! what a silly and confused way to demonstrate your victory over “spiritual” death, … with a bodily resurrection!

[@davidpena9513]

The Then the resurrection is for nothing! what a silly and confused way to demonstrate your victory over “spiritual” death, … with a bodily resurrection!

[@tinao7540]

Thank you

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You are welcome. Grace & Peace.

[@JK-zl7vv]

One thing to add, which seems to be in several places in the bible which speaks of confessions, and its my understanding, that if a person confesses thier sins then on judgement day, that sin is not brought back up to be judged, since each person will be rewarded or punished according to what they of done in thier body on judgement day, then the bad sins that have been confessed will be covered and not brought up such as in psalms 32, Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. 2 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not [b]impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit. So it's my belief that all sins that are confessed, are in fact forgiven and covered, so those sins will not be brought up, during judgement day, so if a person confesses all sins, then only good things will be judged on judgement day. 😎👍🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I can see that as a possibility. Of course, the 'confession' would have to be genuine I would assume...with a genuine repentance. I also do wonder also, if it depends on how grievous the sin is and how much of a 'ripple effect' it had on others. There is a 'sin unto death'...and sin 'not unto death'. Just some thoughts that I have; it helps to keep me in line! Thank You for sharing this commentary.

[@Stan-l4j3n]

If there is no more death, what does that mean for those who are not in Christ?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Fair question. I think they (like us) will be judged and positioned accordingly. 1st Timothy 4:10 says 'God is the Savior of "all men"...so I take that as it is stated...and then goes on to say 'especially those that believe'...not specifically..."especially"...so believers have an advantage...I would suggest as believers our judgement 'should' go better. And maybe that is why Jesus talks about 'outer darkness' and 'debtors prisons' where people eventually get out and things of that nature. After all, the Scriptures say "His mercy endures forever'...and Jesus said that God is 'kind to the evil and the unthankful'. So I work all of that into my understanding of Scripture.

[@dannyg2311]

Excellent video 👏🏽👏🏽 To add my own thoughts to this greatly articulated video… Since 70 AD, ALL are saved automatically. (What people call universalism). We know that ALL slept in the grave til the resurrection at the last day (of the old covenant age). And then those in faith were spiritually risen and entered the kingdom and life. And those without faith were annihilated (the 2nd death) as there is no biblical support for eternal conscious torment (which I believed all my life up til last year). God is an all consuming fire and the lake of fire is symbolic for being consumed. For you to never cease ever again. But back to my point, what does Paul say is the last enemy to be destroyed??? Death! (Spiritual). We know it’s spiritual as of course we both know sin & death was tied to the law. The covenant with death. And even in the garden it was told to Adam in the day that he eat ye shall surely die. And obviously he never physically died that day. As was therefore talking of spiritual death. So if Jesus defeated death at the last day, and death was swallowed up in victory, and death and hell was cast into the symbolic lake of fire at the end end of the old covenant age then….. ….how can there be ANY spiritual death since and now!??? It’s gone. Defeated. Swallowed up in victory. 1 Timothy 2 says God will have *all* men to be saved. 1 Timothy 4 says God is the saviour of *all* men, specially those that believe. 1 Cor 15:26 said the last enemy to be destroyed was death. 1 Cor 15:54-55 says death was swallowed up in victory. O death where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. But sin was defeated and the law fulfilled. Sins forgiven. Death destroyed and swallowed up in victory. It simply doesn’t say ‘death for those without faith is defeated’. It said death was destroyed. If there is no longer spiritual death, there is no more separation from God. In Christ shall ALL be made alive. Because in Adam all died. Christ reconciled us all back to God it appears. People outside of God’s covenant died. Nobody chose to be under or in Adam. Yet they inherited the curse anyway. But in Christ ALL shall be made alive. They inherited His gift anyway. It says death was destroyed. Not those in the new covenant’s death was destroyed. It says death was swallowed up in victory. Not those in the new covenant’s death was swallowed up in victory. We CANNOT say that dispensationalists twist scripture if we ourselves also do so. Example time statements of the first century were crystal clear about events that would soon occur. They twist and magically insert a multiple thousand year gap. It’s crystal clear. About to be. Soon come to pass. In these last days. At the door. At hand etc. And the same goes for this, it’s crystal clear: DEATH WAS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY AHD WAS DESTROYED. 1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, *who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.* 1 Corinthians 15:22 *For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.* Again nobody chose to inherit Adam’s curse. But in him we all received the curse anyway. Same as with Christ. In Him He made all alive. 70 AD after the judgment of old covenant Israel and the old world, in this new world there is no spiritual death. Death and the grave was cast into the lake of fire. Therefore it no longer exists. IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes and there shall be *no more death.* Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this!

[@dannyg2311]

@@ShadeStoneMusic thanks for reading my friend. I came across preterism/fulfilled covenant theology via Don Preston and others on here only a year ago and I studied it literally 24/7 for months on end trying to debunk it then to get to know it inside out. Found your page the other week and already watched nearly all your content. Absolutely excellent, thankyou again for your work. Subscribed. 👍🏽🙏🏽

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@dannyg2311 ...Thank You Brother! One of the things that impressed me about Your commentary is that Your path also took You on a journey where You were willing to open Your heart to reviewing the standard 'soteriology'. So again, Thank You for Your encouragement and support and adding Your edifying commentaries to the page!

[@dannyg2311]

@@ShadeStoneMusic no, thank you brother! I was lost in ‘mid acts rightly dividing pre trib dispensationalism’ for 14 years and as much as I thought I knew it like the back of my hand…it secretly only really posed more questions than answers, and so like the rest, I blindly twisted scripture and buried my head in the sand, weaving and bobbing to suit my doctrine. Doing insane mental gymnastics and not accepting plainly what Jesus et al all said in clear black and white. Good day brother, from the U.K.

[@homemakercalling1217]

​@@dannyg2311 I was mid acts for 5 years. Reading your comment was very thoughtful provoking.... didn't you know that if you " rightly divide" all your problems go away? 😂

[@mireliomarzo6468]

🥸Shane if everyone is saved then it would make no sense to go into all the world making disciples and baptizing them into Christ. Thief’s, liars, effeminate, etc will not inherit the kingdom of God. The type of Judgment seat that you teach has rapist, murderers, liars etc getting a pass because Jesus is ALL LOVE. makes being “saved” meaningless.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I understand your position. Thank You for sharing. That said, I would disagree with your assessment of the teaching. I agree that they won't 'inherit the Kingdom of God'. But it also doesn't say that they are being tortured for infinity either. I'm suggesting that it's not a communist heaven or communist punishment. People get 'according to their works'. Colossians 3:25, 2nd Corinthians 5:10 make that clear. So if people continue to steal and lie and cheat etc...they will be positioned 'outside the holy city'. Revelation 22:14-15 supports that position. Something to consider. PS - You might want to ask yourself what the 'Gospel' is in Mark 1:14-15.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

If you break 1 law you break the whole law. If you lied 1 time in your life you are a murderer, an adulterer, a thief. Are you saying you never broke 1 law? How will you be “getting a pass” then? With the measure you judge it will be measured back to you. If there is a severe judgement of eternal punishment then Christians who judge others with this judgement will be judged with their own judgement. I also suggest the love of God is not in you if you want to see people punished eternally for sins. God sent Jesus for the very purpose of forgiving all our sins. Jesus said I desire mercy not sacrifice. Mercy triumphs over judgement. If 10 people are stuck in a burning building and a fireman saves all 10 people are you going to say “what was the point in saving any of them if everyone was going to be saved?”

[@lemnisgate8809]

Amen!

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

❤❤❤

[@lanemiller1353]

So in your view, if one dies and never accepted Christ as savior, or even denied him, that individual would still receive eternal life? If so, how does that individual recieve any sort of reward. Do you see eternal separation from God as a possibility? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what lies in store for truly wicked people that die to this life.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

These are great questions! So first, let's look at 1st Timothy 4:10 - Paul says: God is the Savior of all men...especially those that believe. Paul also says that certain folks will not inherit the Kingdom of God. So does everyone go 'to the same spot' and get the 'same reward'? I don't think so... But...If God is the Savior of all men...what do we do with that? I come to pictures and scenarios in Scripture that suggest a 'debtors prison' that eventually they get released from and 'outer darkness' and the 'outer courts of the temple and certain people were not allowed in to certain places in Scripture. These are things, along with other Scriptures that convince me that Positionally, people are put further away in less desirable spots. 1st Corinthians 3 for example points to this idea as well.

[@lanemiller1353]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Wow. I've read those passages multiple times, and my indoctrinated mind skimmed right past those details somehow. I wonder if the story of Lazarus and the rich man inferred this idea. The rich man was able to see Lazarus, but couldn't go where he was. Alot of theologians get their hell doctrine from that. I never saw him as burning in eternal fire though, just tormented by his own failings. He didn't claim unjust treatment, but only wanted to warn his loved ones not to make the same mistake he did. I am going to read slower from now on. Thanks for responding brother Shade.❤️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@lanemiller1353 ...Excellent Job on digging into that Parable with this mindset. Well done!💌

[@lanemiller1353]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I know you have to be a busy guy, but one other thing I can't reconcile easily is the resurrection being only spiritual. Christ being the first fruit clearly had a physical one, observed by those who witnessed the empty tomb. Since that is the case our resurrection should be the same. No body in the grave, yet we can dig up bones centuries old. I struggle with us not always having some physical aspect to our being, albeit it glorified, to exist in a spiritual realm with physical aspects to it.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@lanemiller1353 ...I understand this. That said, do you notice that they don't recognize Jesus? Every time they don't catch on that it is Him. My point is that this was the 'Sign of Jonah'. The resurrection of Christ was (in my opinion) unique for the purpose of letting all know that He was indeed the Christ. So it was a 'sign' to the first century saints to inspire them to believe and be confident in preaching The New Covenant ages to come. To further prove this, John writes in 1st John 3:2 that: 'for we shall see Him as He is.' Wait? I thought John already saw Him? He did. But that was the sign. That was not the fulness of His Spiritual Body and Positioning. That's why Paul writes in 1st Corinthians 15:44 that it is a 'spiritual body' that is raised. Hope this helps!

[@Stan-l4j3n]

What happens to those who are not born again? It sounds like you're saying that even though they do "good" they make it into the kingdom of heaven.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

In Acts 10...Cornelius was giving generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly...in verse 4 the Angel says: Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. Did God respond to these 'good works'...yes... Luke 6:35 - Jesus says that God is kind to the evil and the unthankful... So wouldn't God be kind to people who do good? Why would God punish people who are doing good? Yet He is kind to the evil and unthankful. The Scriptures say that God delights in His mercies. So if He delights in mercy...that's His character... Some things to consider.

[@cschristan1]

one problem i have is your "ALL", you seem to imply the "ALL" includes believers and unbelievers, yes? which then means you're implying that Christ died for the believers and unbelievers, yes?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes, I see Jesus as the 'Savior of The World'. Scriptures say 'He tasted death for every man'; and that this is 'good news for all people'. In 1st Timothy 4:10 it says that God is the Savior of all me; 'especially' those that believe. I can't see it any other way. That said, there is still a judgment seat. Therefore it appears that this will determine 'the position' one receives.

[@HOTGTP1]

Didnt judgement occur at the end of the old covenant? and we today face no judgement? John 5:24 Very truly I tell you,whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thanks for the great question! The translations use 'judgement' (which is fine), but most say: 'and shall not come into condemnation;' Which means they won't be 'punished under a divine judgement'. I think that Jesus is referring to the Roman/Jewish war that came upon Israel in the First Century and that they wouldn't experience that 'condemnation' (which was a divine judgement) if they believed Him and listened to Him. That was the earthly judgement He was referring to. The Judgement seat of Christ is different in my opinion because it is the heavenly judgement. That's why 2nd Corinthians 5:10 says: 'we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ...' ; Hope this helps clarify a few things.

[@HOTGTP1]

@@ShadeStoneMusic But wasnt Paul speaking to those during the transition period from Pentecost to the temple destruction and Parasiou of Christ...doesnt judgment equal works based judgement which under the law no one could pass such?

[@HOTGTP1]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Isnt the "we" of Corinthians them? Those that Paul was addressing?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@HOTGTP1 ...Great Questions! And certainly some may disagree with me. But I think that Paul talks about 'the law of love' being the law we are under...that in my opinion is the New Covenant law; This is the Law that Christ came to establish in my opinion. So judgment continues, (again, in my opinion)...and that judgment is based on 'good & bad'...which I think is that when we comply with the 'law of love'...we get good rewards...if we come against the 'law of love'...we get demoted. I don't think the 'Great White Throne' was established to be destroyed in 70AD...I think it was established to come into force in 70AD.

[@HOTGTP1]

According to Romans 8:1, there is no condemnation for believers. We are inseparably united with Christ. We have been made His righteousness in Him. Also, I believe that judgment was made at Christ's Parousia at which time the final destiny of both the just and the unjust was instituted. No more would any go to Hades to await it. Since that time, at death, those in Christ go immediately into Christ's presence and those not in Christ are forever cast out. There is no longer a "time" of judgment. God has separated the wheat from the tares. However, according to 2 Corinthians 5:10, there seems to be a giving of or a loss of rewards for what the believer did in his earthly life. What those rewards or losses are, I have no clue. I don't think, technically, that anyone faces judgment any longer. Judgment has already been made and at death all will experience the destiny Christ brought at His coming--eternal life with Him or eternal separation. Are we saying the same thing? I hope I didn't misunderstand your question.

[@spiritwarrior5367]

I love this study brother, thank you 🙏 I do say though that the Law of Love thy neighbor and God is not for Christians! Jesus was giving a law based answer to a pharisee who sought to justify himself with the Law. Jesus then goes ahead and tells the parable of the Samaritan (whom the jews hated with a passion) This was to show that they weren't really keeping the love thy neighbor. It's context is towards the Jews We are given a new commandment by Jesus, to love one another. Paul Himself says the Law of Christ is fulfilled by loving one another! Only Jesus kept love God and Love thy neighbor! By being one with the Father and by dying for an undeserving humanity that crucified Him.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I cannot disagree...I would probably only add this...the only way that I know of in which we can express our love for God...is by loving our brother/sister/neighbor as ourselves. Thanks for the comment and kind words!

[@spiritwarrior5367]

@@ShadeStoneMusicAmen brother 🙏 Thank you for the amazing lessons! I am learning a lot through your channel

[@louspring6872]

Christ is the Saviour of the entire creation and everyone in it; some now the rest later. He is the restoration of all things, Acts 3:21. Eternal punishment for nonbelievers slanders our Father.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing!

[@davomato]

acts 21:24 Paul was still keeping the law of Moses

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting! As for Acts 21... Verse 25 confirms that the gentiles were told not to keep the law of Moses. So the accusation it seems is that Paul is teaching 'the Jews' (that are among the Gentiles) to depart from the law of Moses...that is in verse 21. Back it up to verse 20, and it seems that one of the elders tells Paul that there are lots of Jews that believe Jesus is Messiah, but they are still very zealous of the law. So best as I can tell, they seem to be telling Paul to do this 'purification' to try to keep the peace with them so as to not start a bigger problem. By the time you get to verse 27 they are attacking Paul. Why are they attacking him if he is keeping the law? It would seem to me that they know he is not, and he is teaching the Gentiles to do otherwise and live according to the law of love. That is how I see that section.

[@brucewebb1114]

Long story short we still die folks. Stopped at 2 minutes Goodnight.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

John 11:25 - 'though he were dead, yet shall he live'. It was this theme above that I was discussing in the video... So yes, physical death still exists... Sorry you didn't stick around to hear more... But I'm thankful for you taking the time to comment... Grace & Peace.

[@GradyRisley]

Hey brother. I compleatly agree... but (the proverbial butt right) no realy not a criticism just an observation... wouldn't you say we are to love as Yeshua lived us and not "live your neighbor as yoursel". The reason Icsayvthat is because that is identified by Yeshua himself as a new commandment. Just a thought. Loving neighbor as self is earth and man based. Loveing as Yeshua loved was not based on earthly things but based on jiw YAHAVAH lived us. So basically, we are to love others as YAHAVAH himself lives them. Just My2Cents brother. Thanks

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It appears to me that You are going for an even higher level of love...Thank You for the kind words and commentary Bro!

[@toddallen4866]

An excellent teaching which totally descerns what is of prime importance - Love God your creator and do your absolute best to love your neighbour as yourself in this life. So important. Well done.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother! What can be more important (to do) than to act out what Christ said is indeed 'the greatest commandment'?! Thanks again Bro!

[@Stan-l4j3n]

For we must all be manifested (fanerow) and not ( krisis ).

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing. I'm not exactly sure what scripture you are pointing to.

[@Stan-l4j3n]

@@ShadeStoneMusic 2Cor 5:10

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Stan-l4j3n Yes indeed. Judgment; Not annihilation - 'every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.'

[@davidpena9513]

Youch! So much erroneous logic! The OBVIOUS AND EXPLICIT reason Paul points out that death reigned from Adam to Moses is to note that death reigned EVEN apart from the giving of the mosaic law. - NOT that some kind of spiritualized death ceased with Moses, nor to signify any other kind of change vis-a-vis death and Moses. Oy!! 😣🔨

[@gregmahler9506]

His point was a bit hard to follow here. I think what he meant by showing this part was that sin and death still took place during that time even though there was no law. Similarly, even though the New Covenant has done away with the law, we should not think that sin and death have completely gone away. They still take place but are not being counted.

[@MrCGal220]

Once you've been infected by the lie of Preterism, your mind is warped. You think you've found a new truth, but it is a lie. Scripture explains that death was defeated at the cross because the Law was defeated, and yet death remains until the resurrection. Therefore, spiritual death leads to physical death. For those who are still under spiritual death (the Law), death remains, but for those who are "under grace" spiritual death no longer remains and "even though one dies, yet shall they live" (John 11:25). Jesus promised Martha life after physical death, meaning the physical body would be raised. It is the same body, yet not the same (and this is what non-Greek reading believers miss). In other words, the body that is raised is the self-same body, but it is transformed (and so, it is different). As far as being under the Law is concerned, Paul was not "under the Law" (1 Corinthians 9:20). Why? Because he was "under grace." That was BEFORE 70 AD. The passing of the Law has NOTHING to do with the destruction of the Temple. It has everything to do with our relationship with Jesus Christ and what took place at the cross. Galatians 3:23 says that before faith came, we were "under the Law" imprisoned until the coming (mello) faith would be revealed. Does this mean that the "coming faith" was not revealed until 70 AD? Absolutely not! But that is how Preterists treat the word "mello." When did faith come? At the time of Jesus Christ's revealing (His life, ministry, death and resurrection). From that point on, the Law of Moses was DEAD! See: Romans 7:1-4: "Or do you not know, brothers-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress." What is the first husband? The Law. When the first husband dies, we are dead to the Law. That took place at the cross, NOT in 70 AD. You, Slade, have correctly said that the power of sin is the Law and the sting of sin is death (1 Corinthians 15:54), but you forget (intentionally or not) that "the power (katargeō καταργέω G2673) of death, which is the power of the devil" was broken at the cross (Hebrews 2:14). Notice HOW the power of death was destroyed. It was NOT destroyed by His Parousia and. the resurrection in this passage as it is in 1 Corinthians 15:26, 54). This is the inauguration of the death of death! It is the destruction ((katargeō καταργέω G2673).of "the power of death," which is the Law and which the devil used to accuse the brethren and condemn them, but no longer (Romans 8:1; Revelation 12:7-10). NO! This power of sin was broken "THROUGH DEATH" (Hebrews 2:14). That is, the death of Jesus Christ on the cross (Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:22; Romans 5:10). Jesus "abolished death and brought immortality to light through the Gospel," which is the good news of the cross (1 Corinthians 1:17-25). Therefore, we boast in the cross (Galatians 6:14) and not in the foolishness of Preterism (that is, the wisdom of men). Preterists only want to focus on the consummation of all things, which they falsely believe took place in 70 AD). They do not understand the inauguration. They do not understand the consummation. They only want to focus on 70 AD, which is simply a transition of focus from the nation of Israel to the nations. By doing so, they loose their focus (if they ever had any) on the cross. They believe their was a change in ages in 70 AD, when in reality the age (the age of the Messiah) began with the birth of Jesus Christ and the change in covenants took place at the cross. Everything I have said is absolutely proven by the Scriptures.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

1st Timothy 4:10 - God is the Savior of all men; especially those that believe. So 'all men' means 'all' in my world. If you want to alter that, then it would be you tampering with the text.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

Ye must be born again.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes indeed...but what is the rest of that line? 'he cannot see the kingdom of God.' Notice Jesus doesn't say, 'and is tossed into hell forever'? There is a difference between those who 'inherit the Kingdom of God', and those 'who don't'. But I would suggest that You contemplate 1st Timothy 4:10 - ...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. Notice that it says 'all men'...then 'especially those that believe'. Perhaps this is something we should consider strongly. Thanks again!

[@cycribbs]

Another false teaching, from a preterist. We are promised eternal life. That is the promise that's why Christ was resurrected from the grave after 3 days. That's why Christ raised Lazarus from the grave, to show us that he had the power to raise us from the dead. So we are promised eternal life. So this death in this flesh will only happen once you don't want the second death. Where hell in the grave are thrown into the lake of fire that burns for eternity, it doesn't not cease to exist

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting. i suggest that you consider Jesus says 'God is kind to the evil and the unthankful'; and Scriptures say that God delights in His mercy...and His mercy endures forever. It doesn't appear that your theology reconciles those passages.

[@cycribbs]

@@ShadeStoneMusic well let me ask you a question, was 70 AD the worst time in history or the worst war or persecution in history that ever was or ever will be. Because world war II killed six times as many Jews or so-called Jews cuz I don't believe the Jewish bloodline is 100% after 70 AD. That his promise was given to all the rest of the world and the church is being built, each one of us are a stone of the temple of God. We are the body of Christ we are the temple. So how could Jesus come back and destroy the Antichrist which you guys see as Nero, in the Bible says that he destroys the Antichrist or this man of sin with the brightness of his coming but Nero committed suicide

[@cycribbs]

@@ShadeStoneMusic do you know who the Jesuits are? Do you know who the founder of preterism is and why preterism was created? Because the Protestant reformers saw that the Roman Catholic Church the Pope or the position of Pope was the seat of Antichrist, and to take the identification of the Antichrist being the pope out of the picture, they formed several doctrines the rapture, futurist designers dispensationalism, Francisco Ribera, the rapture was created by Jesuit name Manuel lacunza and I have his book. Preterism was created by Luis d Alcazar a Spanish Jesuit. The whole purpose of the Jesuits is to destroy the Protestant Church to mix false religion into their doctrines and cause discord among the church, among the body of Christ which you see right now. I come against false doctrine not against the people because I'm not certain if maybe you're working with the Jesuit sense how KZbin is being used by the powers to be to get out false doctrines and false word and false propaganda, or that you actually believe it and may even have a sincere heart and this is what you believe but you're teaching falsely because preterism was not a doctrine that was taught before the 1700s. None of the church fathers or nor the historians thought that Jesus returned matter of fact they were still writing about him coming at the end of the 6,000th year not the 4000th

[@cycribbs]

@@ShadeStoneMusic and how do you say that death does not exist, cuz you're going to die one day I'm going to die one day unless the Lord comes back and those who are left and still alive at the coming of the Lord, will not proceed those which are asleep. No this is not the rapture this is a verse they leave out. This is the second coming where he comes with a shout of the archangel in the Trump of God, meaning when a king comes into presence, there is a trumpet that is blown announcing the coming of the king and the people go out and meet the king and escort him back. The wicked are removed from the Earth, you can read this in the parable of the vineyard Matthew 13. The parable of the fish in Matthew 13. The parable of the husbandman in Matthew 21. Specifically states that he will take those wicked men buy them up and throw them in the lake of fire and he will gather his wheat into the barn. At the end of the world. That phrase at the end of the world is used many times in these parables. And before you even say anything about the word age, the age of Aries the RAM switched over in 68 BC to the age of Pisces which we're still in so the end of the age nor the end of the world has happened yet

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@cycribbs Ephesians 3:21 says it's a 'world without end'. The 'death' that no longer exists is the covenantal death....Physical death in this realm will always exist. That's not the death that Jesus reversed.

[@williamgarcia9858]

Cut your hair, it is a shame unto a man to have long hair.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It's already cut.